Could the US Marines alone invade and occupy Britain? Take Britains

>>31092416
No, Brits are our friends. Muhreens aren't.

>>31092416
We would never fight Britain again.

Not unless they did some serious ass-backward shit and became ultra-commies that started threatening our other allies or something.

Could the Marines alone take Britain? Probably not. It'd be an interesting fight, though. If we did a combined landing with the Army on both sides of the island, though. Maybe that would work. Marines/Navy could distract the Limey Navy.

>>31092416

Marines don't own their own ships, the Navy own them. They also don't have enough supporting elements. (Marines don't have any AWACs for example)

So no, Marines don't have any method of forcing entry upon an island.

No.

>Make America Great Britan Again

>>31092416

Jesus what a shit question.

No.

>>31092511
>Marines/Navy could distract the Limey Navy.
You mean, obliterate the limey navy.

>>31092519

What if the entire USMC appeared in the middle of England? Hypothetically.

>>31092416

a single USMC marine is worth 3 soldiers, we are Americas deadyiest weapon and we would take the fight to the limeycucks and kick there bitchpussy asses because we are a brotherhood that can overcome anything that stands in our way

>>31092569

USN would win but they'd take 40-50% casualties. They'd lose their superpower status until ship losses could be replaced.

>>31092569
>>31092604

Blow your brains out, both of you. We're talking USMC only, it is utterly pointless including the USN as we already know the answer.

>>31092599
ewww, that's a little cringy.

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>>31092599

>>31092592

Then they'd be completely cut off with no supply routes or methods or sources of resupply and medical evacuation, while completely surrounded in hostile territory and lose horribly.

Logistics, son.

The brits are better trained and equipped. (in b4 HURRRRRRRRR L85 DUN WERK from a bunch of retards who have never even heard of the A2)

There are more americans, though they have less aircraft.

>>31092416
No, they have the SAS and Royal Marines, not to mention native Islamic Insurgency.

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>>31092416
>us marines
vs
>royal marine commandos
>british paras
>sas
>sbs
>srr
>and the rest
not even a fucking chance

>>31092622
>>31092637

just because you eurotards cant understand that we are the few, the proud, and bravo

I think the better question is: why are marines so damn annoying? Why must they let everyone know they are a marine and that they could beat anyone at anything?

>>31092719
muh semper fi

>>31092719

because where the first too the fight you chair force pog so you cannot understand

>>31092719
(It's summer)

I would let them if we could become the 51st state under the US constitution.

But to play along with this thread I don't think the USMC has the manpower to invade an island nation, I don't think they have the equipment relative to the UK's own to extend enough of a material advantage either. Unless I'm mistaken they couldn't get air superiority, the couldn't get past the R. Navy. Even if they outnumber UK ground forces it would be a hard fight on foreign turf, but to actually get there and then do it is something else altogether.

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You're all forgetting the one crucial issue here...

British people are amazing at two things. Drinking and Scrapping. You best plan your invasion at the right time.

>USMC makes landfall on West coast
>Time is 5pm
>All streets and shops deserted
>No one is at work or home.
>Because everyone's down the pub at this time.
>Because not going to the pub at 5pm is not an option
>USMC Tries to enforce martial law in pubs
>Mass nationwide pub brawl starts
>"COME AND HAVE A GO IF YOU THINK YOURE HARD ENOUGH" is heard across the land
>Marines severely beaten due to underestimating how hard and vicious British women actually are
>3789 bottle related injuries in first hour alone
>Several Marines dragged into toilets to be raped by council estate milfs
>MEU Commander killed by 7 inch stilletto to the eye socket
>Numerous reports of US Marines being mugged after falling for the "alreet m8 can u spare me 80p me missus is in ospital and me dogs got throat cancer" routine
>Fully armed Marines are regularly refused entry into clubs because "nahhh mate ain't got rite shoes on" by the bouncers
>Once fighting dies down, everyone makes friends and has a nice cold pint and British lads tell their yank cousins"yeah you're alreet good scrap m8 part of the senpai now"
>MEU is assimilated into local populace and becomes rampant alcoholics and mass breeders of council estate children

>>31092807
Imagine the marines in a city for a derby match.

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>>31092599
Navy SEALs do what Marines are supposed to do.
Army Rangers do what Marines claim they do.
Regular Army do what Marines actually do, only with less casualties and collateral.

>>31092416
Why the FUCK would we kill native English speaker?

Bongs are our friends, not food.

>>31092599
>what is the SAS
you fucking rednecks wouldn't last a month

>>31092709
That red stripe on your pants was modelled on the British Royal Marines' red stripe.

>USMC basic training 13 weeks
>MOS training, however long each speciality takes and all ex. afterwards.

>British Army basic training 6 months
>Royal Marines basic training 6 months
>Trade training, Para, etc., 6+ months and all ex. afterwards.

All of the above plus the USMC would be cut off, have to fight for their supplies (5.56, 7.62, 12.7 are all used over here), US bases are a thing here, but they are USAF.

In theory they could fight and do well, but without all arms support, which would be hard to have, because you need a lot of fuel for the M1, the F/A-18 will not have runways initially, Harriers would only be able to operate in VTOL in forests and confined spaces or STOVL using
dual carriageways and motorways. Ships are all USN, so they wouldn't have any offshore resupply.

So, while they would put up a decent fight and die trying, they would end out being ground down due to them not being able to bring all of their weapon and equipment to bear, whereas the British Armed Forces wouldn't have a supply issue.

>>31092807
Damn, sign me up sarge

>>31092918
>Why the FUCK would we kill native English speaker?
found the non-native English speaker.

>>31092933
Royal Marine is 9 months basic

>us marines rock up in britain in muh humvees
>all crash immediately for driving on the wrong side of the road

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Also, while the USMC has it's own SF, the UK has almost all of it's forces trained to a level that is higher than the USMC's basic level. Every soldier here is a rifleman first and his designated trade second.

Paras, Marines and a few other regiments are designated as the UK SFSG (Special Forces Support Group), they are rotated in and out. They receive training and operational experience assisting our SF on ops.

Para's are deployed in Syria/Iraq, supporting the SAS and other SF elements right now, albeit small scale.

Basically, the British forces, including the RAF Regiment (the ground component of the Air Force) are trained to the level of Army Rangers in fighting prowess, the Paras + Marines are trained to higher levels and would be fighting for their homes.

>>31092984
>USMC mechanised assault on any town in the UK
>Hummers and MRAPS get stuck in the tiny streets within an hour

>>31092995
british faggot detected

>>31092964
Forgot that it was 9. Still, it's more than the USMC and all US arms.

>>31093000
Yep, still doesn't take away from the fact that the USMC would be an ineffective fighting force without the support of at least the USN as a floating base and without access to sufficient length runways and readily available supplies, would be fucked over very quickly.

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>>31092995
>RAF Regiment

>>31092995

>Create thread about USMC strong
>Get BTFO
>Start deliberately over exaggerating the British side to try and turn people against the Brits in the thread

Nice try.

>>31093002
longest basic of all nato forces i believe

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>>31093011
I said trained, not that they would do anything, they're still glorified toy soldiers. But well trained toy soldiers.

>>31093012
I'm a Brit, Scouser, born and bred. Also not OP.

>Nice try

>>31092999
>enter an estate
>its a new development
>not on satnavs yet
>get lost in a hive of shitty flats
>get carjacked by the local muslim terror cell

>>31093036
>muh all brits are like rangers

top kek dude we know you're a brit

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>be USMC
>get pulled over by the police for driving on the wrong side of the road
>bobby and SSG gets into a fight
>SSG gets arrested

>>31093037
There is more of a threat to be carjacked by the local shitbags in north face trackies, not the mudslimes.

Mudslimes will just tell you that this is an Asian only area, murder you on refusal to leave and burn your car because it's carried White kuffars.

>>31092995

>Also, while the USMC has it's own SF, the UK has almost all of it's forces trained to a level that is higher than the USMC's basic level. Every soldier here is a rifleman first and his designated trade second.

Wow, you've been drinking the propaganda Kool Aid pretty hard haven't you?

>>31092416
>alone

No. The British would pummel them to oblivion once they found out they're hostiles.

>>31093060
Not like rangers, they don't do the same job. They are just trained to a similar level. We have a smaller force over here and limited money to throw at them.

So we train them well. All of them.

>>31093064
i was gonna put hoodies, desu its either or

>>31093065

While the notion of the USMC getting anything done alone is hilarious, that guy is being a bit of a fud.

>>31093063
>gets pulled over
>bobby asks to see tv license
>muhreen looks confused
>"your facking knicked cunt"
>serve life in prison with the rest of your unit

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>>31092416
>US Marines start invasion from France across the English Channel to land at Isle of Wight to set up a forward operating position
>no logistics and naval support from USN so stuck with LAVs, AAVPs,
>RAF south command kills literally 90% o of all USMC Air forces due to outdated planes
>FA/-18's have a decent kill rate compared to the rest but stand no chance with the Type 45's in port and patrol
>RN sets sail from HMNB Portsmouth
>wipes out most, if all amphibious landing forces
>maybe some troops land
>Army territorials wipe out remainder because USMC has no support whatsoever

or

>USMC brings in troops from US mainland with KC-130's before declaring war on bongland
>finally has enough manpower and force to start a take over
>RAF again forces control over the sky
>no more logistics and supplies for ground troops
>war of attrition
>most US forces bogged down in English midlands
>eventually forced to surrender because 0 supplies to expend

>usmc patrolling down the street
>streets are empty but they feel watched
>suddenly the hear whispers all around them
>"bin that knife"
>they start to panic, clutching their beloved ka-bars
>this is seen as a hostile and some how racist act
>everyone is arrested for possesion of a blade longer than 3 inches with help from the local muslim patrol

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>>31093065
It's not propaganda to see that the USMC's basic level of training is lower than the UK armed forces. 3 months and a week compared to 6-9 months depending on the arm, plus trade training.

The USMC has it's own SF, Force Recon and MARSOC, the UK has the SAS, SBS, SRR (shite), with the Parachute Regiment and the Royal Marines being "regular" units in the SFSG, regular UK units shit all over the USMC (regular USMC) in terms of training, in both length and quality, and the SFSG shit all over Force Recon and MARSOC in terms of training and experience.

Oh, plus the Counter Revolutionary Warfare unit of the SAS.


The UK has a choice, either put money into lots of grunts (the USMC and Army approach, although we wouldn't be able to arm them well) or have a smaller force of well trained, well armed (L85A1 is a meme, L85A2 is a lot better, the krauts fixed them with their post-space magic knowledge) men.
Volume of fire counts, but only when you can bring it to bear effectively and can be resupplied efficiently and effectively, otherwise it falls apart.

>>31092604
>40-50% casualties
Based on? You realize how big the US navy is vs brits?

>>31093099
Remember they aren't STABs anymore, they're Reservists.

>Territorial Army
>Army Reserve

What sounds better? The top fucking one, that's what.

>>31093163
Not USN vs Brits, USMC only. That was the premise of the thread.

>>31092807
Check out Guy Ritchie over here. Your "hard cunts" got utterly BTFO by Russian Ultras.

>>31093173
to be fair, the ultras take hooliganism far too seriously.

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>>31092639
Semper fidelis, kiddo

>>31092651
lol theres an a3 now

>>31093172
The USMC doesn't own any ships. So what would be taking 40-50% casualties? There aren't any ships to be lost.

>>31092416

No, there's 60 million people in the UK, so one would need an occupying force that was roughly twice as large as the one in Afghanistan. Plus you'd need the Navy to play an active role because it's an island.

>>31093188
Form an outsider perspective it seems to me that if your hobby involves getting into massive fights, you should probably take that very seriously or switch to stamp collecting

>>31092592
That's basically a magic scenario, but if ~200,000 hostile anything appeared in the middle of the country it'd at least end with the whole nation being wrecked. Absolutely no way Britain could survive that many soldiers appearing in the middle of them out of nowhere (hell the US would be hard-pressed to survive that without having the whole country wrecked), but that's why it's a magic scenario.

>>31093172
Did you not read, the guy said the USN could distract the brits.

If the USN was involved, it would destroy the british navy.

>>31093260

Do you not know what the word "involved" means? That is the USN involved.

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>>31093148

Initial training is not the full story though.Is your average Brit probably more financially supported into high level training than the average Murrican soldier? Probably, because of how the money is focused in the US. But this whole "They're all better than Rangers!" is sheer nonsense. You can't just take the initial training's length and think thats literally all that decides it.

The UK is extremely well trained, drilled and supported on a man to man basis, certainly moreso than the USMC. But the whole "They're all like special forces by comparison" is fucking retarded man.

>SRR (shite)

Confirmed for not knowing shit. Is all that matters to you how people pull guns? You don't even know anything about their role, because almost no-one does. Intelligence wins wars.

>L85A2 is a lot better, the krauts fixed them with their post-space magic knowledge)

A2 was modified in the UK, by UK workers, under the then UK owned H&K banner.

>>31093202

No there isn't. What you think is the "A3" is just the TES kit on an A2. There are future developments for 15% lighter weight, new ammunition already being made, FIST integration (albeit under a different name now) and digital guiding airburst 40mm UGLs. But even they aren't "A3", unless they decide on the name by then. It's unlikely with the incremental upgrade process.

>>31092416
The current Corps is around 140,000 isn't it? Assuming you allow for the use of the Navy to transport them, it's possible yes.

>>31092599
>Deadyiest weapon
It's the little things like this that make these posts so funny.

>>31093321
>opposed beach landing against a modern military

Bloodbath wouldn't begin to cover it.

>>31092933
Boot camp is fucking irrelevant. Who cares how long basic is. It all depends on who has experienced real war the most. I do not know about British units, but in my unit 70% of the Marines had 2-4 combat deployments under our belt.

So stop comparing fucking boot camp lengths.

>>31093345
I said possible chief. I also didn't claim a casualty figure for either side.

>>31092416
Occupy? They'd annihilate Britain. The United States Marine is a killing machine. A single marine could take on 500 British pussies in a firefight. They are living legends. It is said that a United States Marine could lift a truck above there head while juggling the wives of the armycucks he fucks

>>31093369
can confirm. my drunkard destitute vietnam war veteran uncle said he saw this happen daily while serving in a marine platoon

>>31092604
...you do realize the US Coast Guard has more ships *and* more firepower than the Brit navy, right?
>now envisioning a dozen CG ships surrounding a Type 45 and bombarding it with 76mm naval guns while the 30ish 25mm autocannons shoot down its helo
And that the USCG is like a tenth of the size of the USN, right?

So following OP's "without nukes" thing which renders the Brit's ONLY serious threat (SSBN's from their subs) sidelined it would be a monkeystomp of GW1 proportions.

>>31093397
USCG has more ships, but no ASMs and only limited air-defense capability. Maybe they could just zerg rush, but that's not really realistic.

USN stomps completely though.

>>31093397

Of all the silly thing said in the thread, this is one of the silliest.

>>31093321
182,000 active with 38,900 reserve as of December 2015.

So...about double what you thought.

>>31093318
well i made the mistake of listening to a rifles recruiter.

however on some weapons ive seen they had a3 written on them where the a2 would be.

>>31093345
>the USMC has no airborne units
>the Brits can mobilize more than a token force, even domestically, without a month of preparation

US strategy requires a 3:1 numerical advantage to attack entrenched positions.

Uk Strategy as a minimum should state that you can be numerically inferior and still attack under being outnumbered 3:1

>>31093406
Oh I wasn't saying the USCG could (reliably) take the RN in a stand-up fight, I just found the idea of a bunch of cutters zerging a lone RN destroyer funny as hell.

Though I do think that with good planning, the element of surprise, and a fistful of luck they probably could beat the RN.
>an otherwise unarmed icebreaker steams into port before hostilities
>allahu ackbar rams the QE with that icebreaker plow at a whopping 18kn to kick things off

>>31093357

That's not necessarily true though.

Experiments in world war 2 showed that experienced units were usually better at not getting killed, but green units that were highly trained were better at fulfilling offensive objectives. This is before SLA Marshall's studies came out and they started conditioning soldiers to shoot the enemy instead of just assuming they'd do it, however. it might be different now.

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>>31093357

Not the retard you're arguing with, but on at least the "percentage of men who saw combat", the British have some fucking unreal numbers on that right now. Pretty much their entire combat force deployed twice over and on constant rotations. Lot of guys who spent 3, 4 or even more deployments. After it was all done there was legitimate burnout in 2014 for a good half year on even training deployments, the entire Army, Marines and suchlike had deployed so often and needed the fucking break.

Now that's had time to settle and normal service has resumed, the major chunk of the British Army is seriously combat hardened now.

On your other note, as I said in another post above, I agree. Him counting only initial training is retarded. (It's a little inaccurate to say it's all boot camp for the British time mentioned, but either way it all tends to even out between the nations.)

>>31092416
>invade
Yes, they've been invading Muslim countries for the last 25 years and have had decent success
>occupy
Normaly I'd say no because occupation is a fucking death sentence to the USMC, who's job amounts to that of a football defensive lineman while counting on the Army and Navy to occupy and supply logistical support, while also needing combat support from the US Army based on a lack of manpower alone.

However Muhammed and Abdul here are not armed with AK's and RPGs as per usual, so as long as the marines secure the Butter Knife registry from the Ministry of Interior Justice they should be able to stop any insuregency before it even begins

Could also send a bunch of black marines and just watch as the bongs elect them to all places of public office in the name of tolerance

>>31093461
>Could also send a bunch of black marines and just watch as the bongs elect them to all places of public office in the name of tolerance

that's reaaaaaal fuckin ironic

>>31093461
>black
>Marines
Those are in the Army, yo.

The Marines are full of hispanics with the occasional white.

>>31093417
I thought they dropped more. When I was in it was about 204k active and 54k reserve.

>>31092416
"Marines aren't even human.. These men live for war. My wife enjoys the occasional marine in bed and her son looks up to them"

Gen. George Patton

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>>31093426

Regimental nicknames get picked up very quickly. Not impossible that some of them call it the A3 as shorthand.

Same way many Regs call them the "SA80" still.

>>31093454

Sounds like the makings of a /k/ greentext for amusement.

>>31093454
It might take more Cutters than you'd think. The Daring has a 4.5 inch gun, so it will outrange the 57mm and 76mm guns the Cutters have (the 76 much less so). Unless the Cutters have Vulcano ammo, in which case the Hamilton's would actually have the range advantage, but i'm not sure if they have it or not.

The Harpoons are less useful, both because not all the Darings have them, and because they're not really the most effective ASM. Between ESM, Nulkas, and the Phalanx (which is shit but has a decent chance of knocking down a Harpoon), I think you could only expect 2-3 reliable kills on the Cutters with 8 Harpoons.

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>>31093581

Remember they each have 1-3 Lynx armed with Sea Skua missiles and Spearfish Torpedos too. Especially effectively against cutters without CIWS. (I actually didn't know any of them had those.)

But you're right regarding the 4.5 inch. That's the game changer. Daring Class is faster and will spot much further out to use it.

>Occupy

The entirety of our Military couldn't do that. Occupying a country is possible, but with a hostile civilian populace you're not allowed to shoot? Good luck.

Not only that, we'd be going up against one of the world's strongest militaries with comparable (or the same) technology, who are defending their homeland. OH, they also have nukes.

So no.

t. Muhreenfag

The USMC on their own against the entirety of the British Army, Royal Navy and RAF? Of course they couldn't do that.

>>31092416
>Take nukes out of the equation.

Why the fuck do people always say this stupid shit?

>>31093479
Ahahaha I didn't even realize

Good stuff m8, bongs win this round

>>31094169
Because then where's the argument? You can't invade a nuclear nation.

>>31094206
Iraq was nuclear

>>31092719
Being a marine is the only accomplishment in their entire life.

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>>31094256
>Iraq was nuclear

>>31092682
british marines - 7,5k
sas- +-500
sbs - +-200
paras- +- 5k(maybe)
+extra shit like -1k
=> +- 15k of brits

on the other hand
usmc -210k

:)

>>31092807
>part of the senpai now

Now usually the censored slang doesn't get me but fuck somehow that got me really bad. Something about reading that in a shitty cockney accent just ruined me. dammit anon.

>>31092416
Abso-fucking-lutely, the brits are just a bunch of pansies, no match for the devil dogs amirite xD one marine can take down a whole british division! hoo rah!

>>31093173
All the 'proper' Brit hoolis are banned from travelling during major tournaments.

Ivan only managed to rough up some pissed up blokes out with their mrs and kids.

Only time rushkies met equal opposition they were rekt by the Nottingham Forest firm

>>31092599
>THIS IS WHAT MARINES ACTUALLY BELIVE

>>31092682
forgetting Marine Raiders desu

>>31092599
Holy fucking boot.

I would thank you for your service,but I know you only just joined.

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>>31095249
You're forgetting the other 80k regular Army forces, the "50k" reserves (plus people who can be called up after "leaving") , the RAF and the RN.

The thread is about the USMC taking on the British Armed Forces, not just the parts you mentioned.

Oh and I was the guy talking about the length of basic before in this thread. Some others went on about deployment and hardening. It's been a while since a major chunk of either force were deployed, a lot of guys left, some are still there, others got kicked out, etc., etc., etc., the new guys are the ones who are the 2nd weakest link in the chain, the guys who saw some real shit and are still there are closer to the breaking point.

Combat experience counts, but 4-5 tours in quick succession makes a normal man not want to fight anymore depending on what he saw. 4-5 bloody tours turns a dangerous man, the "right type", into a murder machine.
So no, I didn't discount the combat experience, which is why I mentioned it in other posts. But my initial assessment still stands, USMC, while they have the initial advantage in manpower, how many are clerks, adjudants, military lawyers and the like, they need to be fed, clothed and watered, because the entire USMC is now in the British Isles. How much food needs to be brought in to supply 210k men? How many tonnes of ammunition needs to be brought to the front to sustain combat operations for a single day?

How many runways does it take to bring in these supplies? how many ships does the USMC actually have, that are not under the direct control of and manned by the USN to bring in supplies to major ports or anywhere for that matter? How much fuel needs to be shipped every day to feed the hungry tanks, trucks, light vehicles?

The USMC would be screwed if they were just alone, not supported by the other major arms of the US Armed Forces. The USN is needed for both naval control and air superiority, the USAF for strategic lift operations. With these, yes, without, no.

>>31092416
Without one acronym, yes very easily.

That acronym would be SAS