I looked up Alpha Group's history, and I'm wondering

>>31073569
Why?

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>>31073569
But it is a tactic.

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>>31073631
You're supposed to save hostages.

>>31073701
Hostages? You mean traitors right?

>>31073747
They should be glad to be immortalized as _REDACTED_ of _REDACTED_ deaths in _REDACTED_ , comrade.

>>31073701
Russians have had to deal with multiple hostage situations involving whole platoons of militarized Chechens and nearly 1000 hostages, something western SF has never and probably will never have to content with. Achieving the approximately 75% hostage survival rates in all cases is a testament to their capabilities. Anyone who thinks that the SAS or HRT could have handled Beslan or Moscow theater any better than Russians managed is a naive memespouter.

>>31073813

fanboyism accusations in 3, 2, 1...

>>31073701
If the bad guys know you value the hostages lives they will take hostages and make demands. If they think you'll just gas everyone...

>>31073813
real niggas kno

>>31073813
>inb4 Slavboo shill
Pretty much this. The Russian SF had to play a very tough game with the Chechens. I wouldn't go ass far to say the SAS or HRT couldn't do any better at the time because they were much more organised than the Russians (Who were experiencing the effects of a collapsed economy and general disorder within the military) at that time. Still i'm sick of people shitting on the Russians for this, they had to play with the cards they were dealt.

>>31073813
He's right. Both the US and British governments said they did the best they could have in their situation

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>Implying situation with hundreds of hostages and dozens of heavily armed, well trained and expereinced militants with combat experience that are intermingled with the hostages in a small area or even something remotely similar ever happened in the west
all things considered they probably did bretty well both in dubrovka and beslan

>>31073813
>Beslan or Moscow theater
There was huge mistakes in organization of media coverage and isolation of place. It's not Alpha fault and this mistakes were taken into account. Still, that particular situations could be resolved more efficient.

>>31073813
The man is right, Beslan's situation was fucked from the start and a massacre was inevitable.

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>>31073569
But it is.

>>31073569
>No survivors
>Not "crashing this plane"

Jej

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>>31075856
Needs a "Peace was never an/the option" edit.

>Hurr durr it was Alpha's fault everyone died!!!

>It wasnt the retard civilians who didnt put everyone in the recovery position causing them to choke on their own blood

Do more research op you clearly dont know what youre talking about

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>>31073569
Bane?

>>31073813

>Beslan

/k/ used to have a Russian poster who was at Beslan, he delivered providence to that, and he had retold some fucked up stuff.
>Grenade bundles
>RPG-7s with kids in back blast
>Dead man switches
>straight-out executing hostages without recourse
>Prepared ambush zones
>Alfa sniper literally shooting at a child keep her from running into a killbox
>Wearing teachers clothing
>Rape of young children

Beslan might be the single most fucked armed terrorist attack in history.

Moscow was shit as well as the authority that released Kokol-5 in the theater was a Russian CBRN brigade, and the FSB/MVD have no authority over them; when the hostages who ingested the aerosol were administered to hospitals doctors were directed to treat them as if they were exposed to high volumes of another agent with similar effects, which is in fact ineffective at Kolokol-1; half of the hostages died as result of these complications.

>>31073813
>>31073881
Do the Russians always get it this bad?

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>>31073569

>>31077923

This is why the Russians go at terrorist groups with extreme prejudice these days.

>>31078240
Look at some Russian history

>>31077923
What the fuck, dude.

>>31078538
Every chapter could be sufficiently titled "And then things got worse," as the old saw goes

>>31077923
That doesn't seem like real groundbreaking insight. All that shit is pretty common background info on what happened there.

>>31078802
>3rd chapter: Crazy Teutonics
>5th chapter: Fucking Mongols

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>>31073569

>>31073926
>all things considered they probably did bretty well both in dubrovka and beslan
>Firing an incendiary rocket on purpose on the building were hostages are held
>Doing well

>>31078240
not always but often, there's a much larger muslim population in and around Russia so they have to deal with the cunts collaborating and attacking in much larger groups

>>31079813
Not the same without sound

>That WOOOOOO at the end.

>>31078819

That's a given-its far more dark and, well, really horrid told by a guy who was there to see, hear or experience it all

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>>31079813

>CQB grenade launcher

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>One "Vatnik" posts
>Majority actually posting anything other then HOOAH
Holy shit /k/ you've impressed me.

>>31079981
GM-94 was designed for exactly that. It has low chamber pressure and launches concussion grenades

>>31078437
>GROM
>What hostage?

kek

>>31073569
>Inocence provs nothing

Fixed the motto.