It's Sunday afternoon, you have exactly 3 seconds to explain

>>31060755
no sword, nigga

>>31060755
>implying I care about sword fighting
>implying that swords have any use today

>>31060755
That's not fencing.
I'm working.
I'd rather be at the range.

>>31060755
I'm not, but I have been looking at getting into fencing. Something I always wanted to learn and I need some new hobbies anyway, so maybe I'll take inspiration from your post and go do that.

>>31060816
Implying guns have anymore use than swords in civilian life.

Sword illegal here.
Same with gun.
The best I can do is maybe kitchen knife.

>>31060841
Pressing a trigger vs. actual skill

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>>31060755
>not using a mighty spear and only keeping swords as sidearm

Shame.

>>31060755
I don't have autism.

>>31061015
I actually knew someone in high school a while ago who actually believed that.

He shot airsoft too, bet he thought that counted as firearms training.

>>31061045
he was only partially weapons trained

Small town in Canada, hard to get started on a so popular sport (no clubs, and high start up price if I wanted to do it privately) really wish I could though

>>31060755
I'm at work.

>>31060755
>longswords
>fencing

I'm insulted.

>>31060755
Because I did last night

>>31061069
How well can you square something half a klick away?

>>31061015
>pressing a trigger vs. actual skill

Yes, because the professionals that are in the spoopy secret squirrel units don't spend an insane amount of time on the range or rehearsing before an operation.

You're better than that anon.

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I took Kendo for one semester in college and it was all it took to convince me that Jimmy Kimmel was right when he said on The Man Show: "There are only two types of people who do martial arts: Asians and psychos." I shit you not, the guy who ran the martial arts curriculum at my school was some Japanese dude nobody ever saw. You had to earn the right to see him or something. There was also this weird camp that a handful of people in the class went to one weekend. When they got back, they swore they saw aforementioned Japanese guy crush a gun with his bare hand. What's more, once "Kendo Camp" happened, those who didn't go got treated like shit. I'll also never forget the time the crazy lady who taught our class busted out a real sword and did step exercises across from one of the students who just had their shinai.

Much later, I told some guy who was into Kendo about all this shit and he was fucking flabbergasted. He said he was really sorry that I was exposed to a cult and swore up and down that it's not normal and to give it another chance. I dunno. Maybe the Western stuff isn't like that. Maybe even Kendo isn't supposed to be that bad, but I'm soured on martial arts in general after having all that bullshit be my introductory experience with it. If that's the way it's supposed to be and I'm not man enough for it, then oh well, fuck you, Bruce Lee.

>>31060755
It's like I am having crusade flashbacks or something

I KILLED 50 SARACENS

>>31060755
That shit really helped against the mongols.

>>31061161
WE WUZ CRUSADERS AND SHEEEIT

>>31060755
I've nobody to practice with, and no equipment.

>>31061154
Yeah, that was probably a cult that featured kendo. My club at college was a bit intense but nothing like that and we had fun.

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>>31060762
Tell that to the home invader.

>>31061041
This.

Let's go home guys, there's nothing more to say.

>>31061192
Tell me about it.

I also forgot to mention that we sparred without armor. All the time. You had to earn that, too.

>>31061154
Should've taken Aikido classes

I do epee fencing but none of this hema stuff. I'd love to get into it but $$$

>>31060864

So what you're telling me is that if someone breaks into your home, you're just as likely to grab a sword as you are a firearm?

>I sell fedoras and fedora accessories

Im not /f

>>31060864
>hunting with a sword

>>31061209
that's not Fiore. that's a Zornhau from Lichtenaur.

>>31061253
weeb detected

>>31061015

>pressing a trigger
>pressing

spot the noguns.

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>>31061263
>weeb

>>31061253
What the difference

>>31060755
I can't fucking walk. I'm getting surgery to have my foot bones reinforced with metal plates tomorrow.

Also I don't even own a sword anyways.

>>31061238
Spears are actually the best melee weapon for home defense. There is no room to swing inside the house.

>>31061369
This makes me want a spear/slambang combo.

It goes bang, or it stabs, or both.

>>31061323
one's Italian (Fiore), the other's German (Lichtenaur).

so while the cuts are fairly similar, titling that video "Fioredel" is pretty much the HEMA equivalent of a video of someone with an AR15 titled "AK47.webm"

>>31060755
Because I'm doing my longbow practice.

>>31061449
Blackpowder rifle with bayonet. Oh sure you only get one shot but then you charge down your enemies.

I just earned my sword licence.

>>31061369
Why not just a sword with a fine point then? I'm of the opinion a short, broad chopper is better for followup chops and close quarters when extraction of a long might bump into something

Because I am shooting instead.

because im a mage pure

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>>31061369
> swords have a point for a reason.

>>31061460
How are they stylistically different thou?

>>31061523

yeah but then you have to grab the blade like a goober to stab with it properly

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>>31061250
Actually a thing.

However, it was used as an emergency backup weapon when your spear broke/first shot did not kill the animal, and its bearing down on you.

Also for mercy killing wounded prey.

>>31060816

Despite being less useful than guns and less concealable than knives, they are surprisingly useful once you take a course in any kind of sword fighting.

There's a lot of tactics that don't really come to mind before actually seeing them.

If you ever have the chance to take a course, try doing it out of interest - even if you despise swords.

>>31061544
er....

you know the whole "shoulder thing that goes up" stuff that people with no clue about guns say?

that's pretty much equivalent to what you've just said.

>>31061602

explan

>>31061253
All the beginning blows are Zwerchau though...

>>31060755
Because I'm fucking working

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I'm thinking about getting an albion longsword/hand and a half, anyone recommendations/suggestions?

>>31061536
Not the same anon but,
Lots of small different things technically, quite a good deal in terms of concepts.
Lichtenauer's uses few stances (4-5), three basic blows, five special blows that can "break" guards. And then lots of specific stuff for specific situation, winding in a cross of blades, hip-throwing rather than doing arm-manipulations. There is a difference between armored fencing and unarmored.

Fiore doesn't differenciate armored / out of armor that much, there are about 20 different stances, though some are redundant. Blows are simple, but applications are very varied, simple but subtle. It's more defensive in nature as you will wait for the enemy whereas Lichtenauer is more about gaining and keeping the initiative.
Fiore has more weapons (dagger, poleaxe, mounted fencing, wrestling, sword in one hand) and they form a coherent whole.
There's a difference between long range fencing (wide play) and short range (close play).
Fiore doesn't like to cross his arms and legs, Lichtenauer does it all the time.

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>>31061693
This is so fascinating actually, tell me more.

>>31061616
short version: (because I cant be arsed with the long one)

yes, holding the blade is a method used - against plate harness. (Harnischfechten).

Saying that "to stab" you have to do that is utterly wrong; a longsword is desgined to be able to use both cut and thrust, and will skewer through an unarmoured target without any effort at all.

you do not need to use harnischfechten techniques in blossfechten

>>31061096
Fuck off antenna waving prick

>>31060755
Muh Fioreist nigga

>>31061729
Poe's law can't tell me if you're serious but here in the meantime,
http://www.encasedinsteel.co.uk/2013/01/25/for-beginners-fiore-or-liechtenauer/

>>31061808
Tldr: Fiore is better.

>>31060755
>fencing
But why did you post dancing?

>>31061693
What's wrong with crossing the wrist?

>>31061884
For beginners yeah surely...
But then as for anything there is the style and what you make of it.
If you ask what's best, without precising at what, you're bound to have unusable answers.

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>>31060755
CQC baby

>>31061957
>give some random Mook a concussion and drop him in a oil rig
>He is now a loyal employee

>>31061936
Fiore likes to grab the wrist or the elbow of the opponent, if your arm or wrist is crossed at that time, you can be manipulated and disarmed much more easily. Since Fiore likes this, he also advise against crossing the forearms and wrists (the only exception is one rare reverse cut and his Finestra guard).

It's just one strategy, it isn't bad per se, but in certain situations it's dangerous.
Compare to the Lichtenauer traditions, arms are crossed all the time to do the five special strikes, but it's mostly because in this tradition, when you wrestle, you go for hip-throws and not armbars.

>>31061957
worked on assholes in high school

>>31062024
>>31061974
wrong post

>>31061936
Makes it easier to grab your hilt or arms since your sword trails behind your arms, whereas using false edge cuts you avoid this, and the sword reaches its destination sooner

>>31060755
Talking with my girlfriend and still drinking the first coffee of the day.

>>31060755
Because fencing is for faggots who believe that they could step onto a real medieval battlefield and do anything other than get themselves killed.

Real medieval combat was like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyz1eJoSeIY only your squeezed on all sides by other armoured men.

""""techniques"""" used in fencing will not work against even a moderately armoured opponent, especially not one who weighs 200lbs, has a shield, and is swinging an axe at you.

>>31061664
The ringeck is widely owned and everyone seems to like it.

For something a bit more cut oriented the crecy is worth looking at

>>31062080
>""""techniques"""" used in fencing will not work against even a moderately armoured opponent

Except, you know, the ones that are specifically fucking designed for fighting against armored opponents.

Man, I'm sure glad I didn't learn how to actually use a sword to get in between armor, real combat is just wildly hitting your opponent with the sword. Why didn't I bring a mace for such an attack? Oh, because this is how you use a sword, duh.

>>31062080
Gee it's almost like people practice unarmed fighting in hema for a reason.

A mediocre full suit of armor will run you several thousand dollars, and when practicing armored combat with historical armors and weapons - not the overly thick armor BoN uses - you run the risk of seriously injuring your sparring partner because the techniques you're practicing are designed to kill armored opponents

>>31062107
>Unarmed
Unarmored

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>>31061462

>implying that the thunderous blast and blinding flash by themselves won't be enough to rout the dindus.

>>31062083
ringeck is just so narrow at the end

>>31062358
It's a decent cutter and a very good thruster while the crecy is the opposite of that. All of their next Gen swords are excellent so just look for one you want. Personally I'm saving for a Poitier or Knight

>>31061664
>>31062528
>>31062358

crecy looks like the swords you see in TV shows and movies, whereas the ringeck looks nice too but less stereotypical

Is the hema general moving here from /asp/? Because /asp/ is shit.

>>31062058
Henchmen comes to your table and slaps your coffee from your hands. They are armed with swords.
>what do?

>>31061069
I got your reference.

>>31060755
>It's Sunday afternoon, you have exactly 3 seconds to explain why you're not fencing.
I'm west coast and my class doesn't start until 6PM.

>>31061209
>>31060755
GIve me links to videos like these, I'll make webms too.

>>31060841
>acshually

That is fencing. Just not in the autistic olympic sort of fencing.

>>31061015
>I've never fired a gun: The post.

>>31061223
>aikido
>not a cult mentality

Go back to meditating on peace you pretentious fuck. You're taking up mat time when the real fighters are trying to train.

>>31060755
31060755
I was actually planning on it... but last night I drank so much that I was laid up in bed all day with a hangover.

I planned for a very /k/ day of shooting in a gravel pit and boxing and sword fighting with shinai (highly recommend those btw, they're dirt cheap and versatile enough to practice most kinds of sword fighting with, from fencing to kendo to longsword shit), but then I drank half a liter of Jim Beam, and now I'm curled up choking down water and ibuprofen and wishing I was dead.

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Okay new /hema/, what is your favorite feder?

>>31060755
Dubs checked.

It's Sunday night. I don't even swords. Do you recommend it?

>>31064098
>he can't find the center of the universe

learn to expand your mind and understand how circles of varying sizes are the perfect response to everything,

>>31062563
Really pointed longswords were developed to combat armour

>>31062623
I hope so
/asp/ is just full of WWE shit

>>31064349
Feders are for pussies and German tradition longsword.
We practice Fiore and use blunts since there is no record of feders either in Italy or Fiore's manuscripts

>>31065042
so it's agreed then the Fiore > Germans?

>>31065167
Yes, it's agreed.

>>31065042
I'm aware that feders were from the German tradition, but I feel you're being semantic. Regardless, the question still stands: what is your favorite training weapon?

>>31060755
My class meets tomorrow. Backsword is pretty tight shit.

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>>31060755
went to the range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MryWk52Qcg8

It's fucking gorgeous

>>31065167
Well I prefer Fiore for its aggression, and find that those who just do German longsword panic when you grab their arm while sparring, since they aren't used to close plays, though that's probably poor teaching.
I know a guy who teaches German longsword who also does Fiore and by his accounts his students don't suffer the same downfalls.
Fiore's system is interlinked with itself too, so you can use many of the same techniques between weapons, which is nice, and gives you a solid base of instinctive movements.

Germans are too showy imo

>>31061015

Squeeze a trigger.

Squeeze it.

>>31065196
The Albion Liechtenauer is a brilliant blunt, as are Regenyei blunts, one of which i have on order.

>>31065230
Wouldn't you be better off picking up a feder? I always heard that most hema places prefer you using one of them because so many blunts aren't tournament legal

>>31060755
Does masturbation count as solo fencing?

>>31065244
Feders aren't welcome at my group, I have no wish to own a foil, and some tournaments allow blunts.

>>31064400
I recommend it. It's fun, good physical exercise, and a skill that transfers well to improvised melee weapons and most any type of hand to hand combat. Also, if shtf you're going to run out of bullets eventually, or want to conserve them...

>>31060816
Get a load of this faggot.

>>31065218
I practice Meyer and we do grappling transitions a lot, but my coach also coaches wrestling and MMA, my experience may be atypical.

>>31061763
Fuck off LARPing chunk of steel flailing prick.

>>31068997
Point scoring faggot
Can't take a hit from a longsword, pussy

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>>31060755
>why im not fencing

im a fat fuck and i have no sword

>>31060755
Who the hell calls this fencing? Would this be some sort of Sabre without lanes touches, or virtually any other fundamental aspect of fencing included.

Swinging =/= fencing

>>31071772
>Who the hell calls this fencing
The historical masters who relied on this to protect their lives when swords were actually used and carried every day

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>>31060755
This is way more fun.

>>31071772
Antenna fiddling is not proper fencing.

>>31071772
This isn't fencing, it's demonstration of historical fencing techniques. Actual HEMA fencing requires more safety equipment, blunted and bendy swords, and generally looks different.

I'd really like to get into HEMA rapier or perhaps longsword. From what I understand longsword is more common but I have a 6'11 wingspan so using a long stabby sword appeals to me.

>>31071772
Actual masters who actually used the techniques, instead of point scoring antenna gymnastics

I was just at the pell practicing sword and shield.

>>31061161
AND I'LL KILL FIDDY MORE!

>>31065204
Phwoar, you weren't kidding.