One thing has always bugged me, /k/... What stops a man who's

>>31038604
>So how do both of the men know who is the shooter and who isn't? What stops him from shooting an innocent man who's also trying to stop the shooter?
That's actually my major fear with a scenario like this. Doesn't help I'm somewhat melanin-enhanced which - for good reasons I must admit - is likely to implicate me in the bullshit going down.

Fortify room you're in, shoot anyone through the door with a gun that's not a cop.

>>31038604

This scenario is so incredibly unlikely that I refuse to waste any brain cells on it. I urge you to do the same.

>>31038636
>This scenario is so incredibly unlikely that I refuse to waste any brain cells on it. I urge you to do the same.
How is it unlikely?

>>31038632
>shoot anyone through the door with a gun that's not a cop

How are you supposed to know that they have a gun and they're not a cop if they're on the other side of the door?

Cops shoot plainclothes cops all the time. Cops shoot civilian good guys too. It happens. Protect yourself first and foremost, that's all you can do. Shoot from cover and be aware of those around you. Put away your weapon as soon as possible to avoid being identified incorrectly. Get the fuck out of Dodge.

It's pretty easy to tell the difference between someone who's indiscriminately shooting others and a person who is waiting for an opening to shoot.

Also mass shooters have a habbit of making it painfully obvious they are there to hurt others

It is possible, and one of the reasons drawing a CC in a mass shooting is best saved as a last resort. Also, if there are multiple shooters, killing one of them will make you a priority target for his accomplices.

However, a CCer who shoots an attacker wont continue shooting after they think threat has ended. By the time two or more CCers encountered each other and realized they were armed, its likely one would have engaged the shooter and hopefully ended the threat.

>>31038604
In a crowded area I would wait till I see someone shooting incocent people till I unload on the piece of dog shit.

But yea that is a problem. I would hope that anther cc-er would wait to see that I'm not the shooter.

You scream conceal carry holder

>>31038636
>This scenario is so incredibly unlikely
top wut

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>>31038641
>In club
>Guy with AK 47 walks in
>Screams ALLAH AKBHAR!
>Starts spraying at everyone
>I'm conceal carrying
>Pull out my pistol
>Shoot the bartender

>>31038641

Mass shootings are themselves extremely rare. You being present at one is very unlikely. Being present at one with a gun and in a position to do something about it is even more unlikely. Two people being present at a mass shooting with a gun and in a position to do something about it is probably one of the most unlikely things I can imagine, right up there with OP not being a fag.

So the idea that you'll be at a mass shooting, with a gun, in a position to do something about it, while another guy (with another gun) with the same opportunity as you, is just fantastically improbable. That he might shoot at you, or that you might shoot at him, is just so outside the bounds of likely possibility that I refuse to actually waste my time worrying about this.

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>>31038604
>What stops a man who's concealed carrying from shooting another man who's also concealed carrying in a mass shooting scenario?
Target identification.

>>31038604
using your brain.

>>31038692
Yeah this

Mass shootings themselves are statistical anomalies and anyone who uses them as an arguing point for anything to do with firearms clearly doesn't have their priorities in check.

What stops a meteor from destroying the earth and killing everyone?
What you are saying is incredibly unlikely to happen

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>>31038604
I too think about this often.. Theres a you tube channel forgot the name but its this retired sheriff he advices that if possible put on pic related in black or blue with the words police on the back and front.. Its not illegal bc youre not telling anyone you are police and other ccrs wont shoot you.

>>31038746
>if possible put on pic related in black or blue with the words police on the back and front.. Its not illegal bc youre not telling anyone you are police and other ccrs wont shoot you.

After reading this, I'm now retarded. Thanks.

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>>31038604
This is something me and my dad have discussed before.

The biggest conclusion we came to is you will probably be able to pick out another CCer compared to a madman shooting everyone in sight. So long as you practice confirming the target before you indiscriminately shoot the first guy you see.

Best thing I think you can do to not get shot by another CCer is don't look like a scumbag

>>31038604
It's pretty easy to tell the difference between a muslim and a human

>>31038656
Not to mention that they strut around like they own the place, as opposed to the guy(s) hiding behind cover trying to not die. body language is huge.

>>31038676
Anti gunners think this is how real life works

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>>31038692
>right up there with OP not being a fag

top kek

So I cant look like a cop
Say I stare at it and make pig sounds will he begin assesment

Nothing stops two CCW holders from shooting one another by accident in that situation.

All you can do is your best. I just sort of accept that is being a risk of intervening.

>>31038819
Even though the chances of it happening are slim to none, this. The important thing is having a choice to defend yourself, even if it might put your life in danger.

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>>31038604

This guy. Do you see this guy?

Shoot this guy.

When you're in a movie theater and this motherfucker walks in with a rifle and a load bearing vest, he's the active shooter.

The goofy creeper with the glock and extended magazine? Shoot him.

The faggot with the trenchcoat, shotgun, and samurai sword? Shoot him.

The normal looking person just wearing a t-shirt and pants holding a compact m&p shield? DON'T shoot him.

>>31038670

> Be at mall
> hear shots down the hall and people running away screaming
> "oh my god he's shooting everyone"
> calm yourself anon you've discussed this on 4chan hundreds of times
> Draws Glock and rushes into the crowd
> "CONCEAL CARRY HOLDER CONCEAL CARRY HOLDER CONCEAL CARRY HOLDER"
> You scream your way past terrified mall goers
> Chad tackles you
> "Yo I got him he's acting crazy and he has a gun"
> Active shooter stumbles on the scene and racks you with baby seeker bullets from his assault rifle.

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>>31038833
>The goofy creeper with the glock and extended magazine? Shoot him.

I wouldnt use my weapon unless violence was directed at me orcsomeone i know.

Other than that, someone would have to look like theyre randomly shooting people before i shot them.

Sorry black folks. If only one of you is getting shot im gonna assume its the police.

Ill still call 911 though. And take video!

>>31038757
Youre retarded after reading something?
That sucks

>>31038746

yeah carry a jersery with you at all times so people know what team you're on during a mass shooting

>>31038604
>be at mass shooting
>See guy with gun but he's not murdering random people around him
Must not be my guy then.

>>31038893
>Not shooting at me, not my problem!

>>31038604
>So how do both of the men know who is the shooter and who isn't? What stops him from shooting an innocent man who's also trying to stop the shooter?

Did they see each other shoot anyone?
Were they fired upon by the other guy?

No responsible gun owners are THAT trigger-happy.

>>31038919
>No responsible gun owners are THAT trigger-happy.

le not a real scotman meme

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>>31038604
That's why this is in my edc

>>31038926
Where did I say TRUE gun owner?

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>>31038856

I live in AZ in the valley and I've only seen ONE person open carry a glock with an extended magazine... and he was a black thug wearing basketball shorts (go figure).

I can't think of one good reason to have an extended mag in your everyday carry besides to show off. That's a major red flag.

On top of that if you are a gun owner then you represent other gun owners. Yes it's an annoying cliche from the military but you are more or less the ambassador of your peers. If you look (or act) like these two...

>>31038604
Has this ever happened?

>>31038955
>WHY DO YOU NEEEEEEEEEED AN EXTENDO ASSAULT CLIPAZINE MAG
SHALL

>>31039246
NOT

>>31039273
BE

>>31039278
CHIPOTLE'S

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>>31038604
Many CCers are current/former military.
>>31038649
[Citation Needed]
>>31038746
That has to be a contender for the silliest idea ever. Maybe pic related would help people feel better? I know I always bring a back up shirt in my ankle rig.
>>31038935
This guy has it figured out.

>>31038694
This

>>31038604
Believe it or not, it is actually possible to determine whether an armed individual is a threat by means of observation.

>>31039367
>>31038885
>>31038757
Its not my idea its this guys idea

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCsgkhimI0MthrMZo-F2zrTQ

I cant find the exact video but hes the one who said its an option

>>31038692
Well, it's less improbable if you're at, say, a Tea Party rally or NRA convention.

(cue Gunny's ad in the diner)

>>31038604
Because the point of CC'ing is not to be a hero and stop the shooter.
It's to defend yourself, and any family/friends you have with you.

I read something similar about how you should never pick up a dead guys gun in a spree killing because the police are going to be looking for a guy with a rifle

>>31039273
PASS

>>31038604
waaaaay too many varibles to lay out a post, OP.
But if both men were to do everything right, they would be observant enough of body language and be calm enough to realize that the other guy with the pistol and not actively shooting while gunshots are ringing out or that they are in cover, looking around and not shooting people.

In other words, if both observed and analyzed each other and the general enviornment and compared the notes, they shouldnt be shooting each other.

As people have said here previously, I feel that if you're pulling out a gun to protect other's from a madman (however unlikely the scenario), then you risk involving yourself in the conflict.

But I see it as a greater good thing. Sure I might get shot by fellow CCW'er, but there's a slightly better chance that I can stop the madman and save dozens.

>>31038793

To be fair, I'm fairly certain most people don't have experience with dealing with an active shooter and don't know how they'd react.

I like to think I'd know how to react but unless it actually happens, I haven't a clue what I'll do.

>>31038649
>>31038694
>>31038819
/thread

My advice , don't be an autistic retard

>>31038604
Don't know if someone said anything like this in the thread yet.

Say you shoot a man who's trying to go on a shooting spree, you're not going to be waving your handgun around, you're not going to be sprinting after people magdumping into their backs, you're probably going to be slowly approaching the guy to disarm him while he's dead/dying and nobody's going to go "Holy shit, that guy is firing at the attacker. I'd better fucking blap him too just to be sure!".

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>>31038604
four of clubs. everyone else gets blasted. stupid normies

Bad guys don't use holsters.

>>31038604

If you can't tell whether someone is a mass shooter or not then your life isn't sufficiently threatened to justify shooting them. You don't just go around shooting anyone you see holding a gun. Simply because someone's holding a gun doesn't mean they're threatening your life: that's libtard logic. If you're going to shoot someone it needs to be because they're directly threatening your life or someone else's. If you see someone doing that, then you know they're the mass shooter. If not, you don't need to shoot them. If you don't understand this concept then you shouldn't be carrying a handgun in the first place.

>>31038604
https://youtu.be/FM4Ywx5zVgE?t=137

Kenyan Mall Attack 2013 - at 2:17 of video above the attack starts and people in the Deli/Cafe react by taking cover and getting to the back of the store. Two people in Deli, one an off-duty Cop, another off-duty foreign military draw their weapons and put themselves in front of the people hiding (2:35). They then provide cover for the civilians and escort them to an exit to escape the mall.

As said multiple times in the thread, Demeaner, body language and general is the guy shooting everything that moves? Plays into it a lot.

>>31038955
im always amazed by the fat mans body when i see this picture

how is it physically possible to be this fat

>>31038694
>>31038709
this

observe scenario, observe people, then choose wisely

>>31038623
https://youtu.be/bB20akiqpm0

>>31038666
>By the time two or more CCers encountered each other and realized they were armed, its likely one would have engaged the shooter and hopefully ended the threat.
Or mistake each other for accomplices.

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>>31039367
And the other guys can wear this :D

>>31038692
>bitch scared of the rhetoric
can you see your bs kid? Chill out. This scenario shits on pro gun arguments and fantasies you may have had but it isn't something to close your eyes and cover your ears as you scream for reality to disappear.

>>31039485
I fucking love that ad. Now I want a good milkshake or a malt though. Fucker.

>>31038955
When I keep my glock 22 in my car I keep it loaded with a regular mag and have an extended mag next to it in the center console.

>>31038676
I kek'd so hard man, thank you

>>31038833
The most confusing part about this image, is that he has a SCAR16, yet hes dropping what looks like an m14 or SCAR17 mag from the magwell somehow, but his left hand has a SCAR16 Pmag which is loaded in the top right pic. Apparently .308 and .556 are the same now?

>>31038604
Good judgement.

I'm against constitutional carry because any retard can stick a gun in his belt without so much as knowing what he can and can't do, what proper use of force is, etc. Any retard shouldn't just be able to carry a deadly weapon, sorry fags.

>>31045961
The aluminum mag dropping free is an old 20rnd gi mag from nam. Those exist, you know.

A CC is not there for you to be a hero. It's for protecting your life - hole up somewhere, keep your gun aimed at the entrance and once you start hearing the yell of police and the silence of gunfire, or when the mudslime walks into your bullet and falls over, you do not move.

Don't go hunting the guy, that's not why you carry. Leave that to the guys who show up to do that

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Defensive posture, protect those around you, shoot overtly hostile fuckers.
If possible, help evacuate others safely.
Do not actively & aggressively approach the threat (don't go to the gun shots), unless you're willing to risk your life AND you are sure cops cannot get on scene quickly enough.
As soon as the cops show up, comply with their demands.
Announce yourself and tell people to freeze when in doubt. If you see someone indiscriminately shooting others, plug his ass without revealing yourself.

>>31038604
Look for professionalism (ie, not a maniac shooter)

If he shoots people randomly, he's the shooter, execute.
If he shoots specific, armed targets he's a friend.

Situational Awareness and not being a fucking Hero, that's how you do it.

>>31038833
>The faggot with the trenchcoat, shotgun, and samurai sword? Shoot him.
what if it's a straight dude with that stuff, i mean it's kind of faggy to act like it's such a big fashion crime to wear a trench coat that you should shoot them

>>31038692
what are black swans

The one shouting ALLAHHU AKBAR
is safe to shoot

I've never understood this argument. Humans are smarter than to react based on one single thing. That guy who has his body up against a solid object with his gun out, watching people run by? He isn't the shooter.

That guy with his hand on his gun but it isn't out yet? He definitely isn't the shooter.

No, the guy walking through at a brisk pace planting rounds in peoples backs? He's the shooter.

People making these kind of arguments baffle me. There are sights, sounds, and contexts involved beyond "That guy has a gun, so I'm going to shoot him." Only the biggest of idiots would manage to do that, and as far to my knowledge there isn't even a documented case of a carrier shooting another carrier instead of the active shooter.

>>31038604
>So how do both of the men know who is the shooter
he's the one aiming at the unarmed lads

>>31038641
You're clearly victim to media's fear mongering
But mass public shootings are incredibly rare
They also mostly happen in restricted zones so you wouldn't be carrying anyway

>>31044616
You can see the rage in his words from being btfo

>>31039504
>>31039504
If you got the place secured is smart to call police ... hotwire your info and tell them you+other ppl are in a relative save room guarding the entrances ... tell them to use a knock sign or some other way of showing they are police b4 entering the room... such infos usually go to a then designated squad thats coming just for your room ... you may even be direktet to theyr comms

>>31046057

See

>>31047221

>>31047123
Is it safe if I shout "IMPERIUS REX!"?

>>31047123
they teach islam in school now?

>>31048542
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2010/09/16/mosque-shock-school-rocked-by-field-trip-vid-of-kids-bowing-to-allah/
Sort of

>>31048612
>theblaze
/k/ is for non-degenerates, go shove a Christmas tree down your throat

>>31038848
>drawing your firearm before positively identifying the shooter

>>31046210
what are frogs

>>31046170
>Trenchcoat lover.
Acceptable, don't target him.

>Sword wielding/carrying.
Suspicious, but gun>sword anyway.

>Shotgun.
Really suspicious.

>All three.
Good chance he's a faggot, so shoot hin before he shoots you and teleports stabs you.

>>31038848
Holy shit my sides

Concealed weapons aren't for mass shooters, they're for retards who threaten your life. Even theorizing about using a gun against an active shooter is stupid because that's not the intended purpose, and almost no one carries citing mass shooters as their main worry.

Think of it like this, youre saying almost nobody can ride a bike for 100 miles non stop, so we should just get rid of all bikes.

>>31049376
If the shooter positively identifies me at the same time i sure as fuck don't want to spend an extra second to draw. Bullets go fast anon.

>>31038604

>popping of gunshots, possibly in another room entirely, people running around
>draw handgun
>better cap this scared dude who also has a handgun when the shooting is not coming from him

No.

>>31047148
>People making these kind of arguments baffle me.
It's not an argument, it's a question.

>>31047180
take out the mass shooting scenario

>not unusual to have two lawful armed individuals in an area
>you have received formal training in force on force scenarios
>you see a threat and engage appropriately
>non trained tacticool hears your gun shots
>turns and sees you and neutralized threat
>mistakes you for the aggressor and engages

It's not an inconceivable scenario..

>>31038676
Got him

Though realistically I think it goes more like

>fight social anxiety to go to club
>cc illegally in club cuz molon labe lol
>over tip bartender qt and lay down your smoof tak
>get rejected
>by chance a wild kebab comes in mad that he got no attention at the glory hole last week
>here it is
>your moment
>shoot bartender
>that'll teach her not to recognize you're hot bod

>>31038765
From personal experience, most people tend to shoot first and ask questions later. This goes for the police as well. I'm concerned I would get shot by a trigger happy cop. And if I survived, they'd put me on trial and accuse me of being one of the shooters in order to cover up their mistake.

>>31052051
In my state its legal to carry in clubs or bars as long as your BAC is below .04 I have successfully passed patdown searches on two separate occasions with a glock 19 on my right hip. (both going into large music venues) they rolled their hand right over it and didn't even notice it.

>>31052124
Interesting that you took the high road and focused on that

>>31049777
>Good chance he's a faggot, so shoot hin before he shoots you and teleports stabs you.
trips of truth right here