Who would win, /k/? The Queen's Guards vs. The members

Queens guards are only good for playing pretend.

>>31023795
This, they don't even have bullets. Secret service actually protects, queens guards has guards to protect them.

>>31023795
>At any one time, three infantry battalions are posted for public duties; two of these are Guards battalions (one based at Wellington Barracks next to Buckingham Palace and one at Victoria Barracks in Windsor), while the third is a line infantry unit (based at Royal Artillery Barracks, Woolwich). In addition, there are three incremental companies based at Royal Artillery Barracks, Woolwich and Wellington Barracks. All of these units come under the administrative authority of London District—as public duties units, they not only take part in ceremonial, but are also committed to providing military aid to the civilian authorities.

>The following is a list of units of the Gurkhas and Royal Marines to have mounted the Queen's Guard since the Second World War[3]

1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh's Own Gurkha Rifles, Dec 1971
1st Battalion, 10th Princess Mary's Own Gurkha Rifles, Oct 1973
2nd Battalion, 2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles), Nov 1975
1st Battalion, 6th Queen Elizabeth's Own Gurkha Rifles, Aug 1977
41 Commando, Royal Marines, Nov 1978
42 Commando, Royal Marines, Jul 1986
1st Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles, Aug 1996
42 Commando, Royal Marines, June 2014
Brigade of Gurkhas, May 2015[4]

>>31023788

Queens guards use unloaded rifles, secret service don't.

>>31023808
> they don't even have bullets

Top kek where did you read that?

>>31023837
The queens guards also have scorpion light tanks on standby in their barracks.

>>31023833
The ceremonial guards rifles are atleast not loaded. The rest of the regiment are very armed.

>>31023987
NORAD keeps 100 canopy-ready interceptors on tarmacs all around the country 24/7

With the Queens guard, what you see is what you get.

With the secret service, there's always at least another 5-6 SS members hidden out of sight.

>>31024026

So?

They aren't manned by secret service agents, therefore not relevant.

>>31023788
Who wins? I guess the people.
When the leaders guards are busy slaughtering each other someone swoops in and offs their vip's.

>>31023814
>Brigade of Gurkhas, May 2015[4]

So, that settles OP's question, right?

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>>31023788
Queens guard is an actual fighting force and armed to the teeth unless on ceremonial duty.

Secret service is trained to fight only to get the President to safety and to raid money forging facilities SWAT -style. Their skill set is not equipped to fight in a combat engagement we're talking about here.

Also then there's the sheer numbers since Queens guard is an actual fighting force fighting in wars for the crown.

So this one goes to the Queens guard in my humble opinion.

Bobbys vs. any American PD on the other hand.

>>31024145

Except that most secret service guys are ex-military and on top of that a lot of them were high-speeds.

So that's almost twice the operator. That's 40% more operator per operational operation.

>>31024208
>implying no ex-military/current military in queens guard
>implying there isn't an SS branch of the queens guard
>implying the queens guard is that one guy with the funny hat standing stock still


i bet you could 1v1 them right?

>>31024208
Secret Service has pistols and maybe SMGs, Queen's guards have assault rifles

...that jam and/or break and/or drop their mags without warning...

...well they still have their bayonets, maybe seeing a horde of redcoats charging at you with bayonets fixed just might cause the Americans' dormant "flee the battlefield in the face of the redcoats" -reflexes to kick in...

>>31024235
>le jamalam senpai l85 maymay
yeah, they are pretty bad. still, you're talking about a specialized snowflake narrow situation force vs. a very real and fairly large army

>>31024235
I don't want to say you have trouble letting go of things, but most of the issues with the L85's have been fixed and it's now a pretty decent rifle.

>>31024235
>flee the battle in the face of the redcoats

Yeah we're known for being huge pussies when it comes to fighting the British

>>31024065
>Secret service agents captured, genitals taken as trophies

>>31024330
so instead of scaring the SS off with a bayonet charge & winning, the Queen's guards shoot them & win?

>>31023788
The queens gards aren't really speacil like the secret service

The guard are just regular infantry and used for cerimonial shit also so many people have teesspased into the palace

Also after all the terrorism shit they have deployed gurkuhs in guarding the queen now

Also sas protect the queen not he gaurds

>>31024367
Why not both?

>>31023795
>>31023808

they are real infantry units who have done rotations out of Iraq and Afghanastan. Only one unit out of 5 is doing public duties at any one time. The Scots guards for instance is normally Armoured Infantry.

For this reason they win. An infantry platoon has heavier weapons and a much greater focus on combat than the Secret Service. They also have real experiance of combat, somthing the secret service does not have.

>>31024046
Different anon here but you're misunderstanding something vital: those are all part of the president's stateside detail.

Understandable, at least you're not completely clueless like this guy:
>>31024228
>>implying no ex-military/current military in queens guard
You mean the actual fucking military units that are the actual guard?
>>implying there isn't an SS branch of the queens guard
See above. There is no "guard the queen branch" of the Queen's Guard, it's a regular military unit that's been assigned to do that job. Every single one of the units who do have been deployed.
>>implying the queens guard is that one guy with the funny hat standing stock still
That is the Queen's Guard. That's exactly what they do. We have a similar way of doing things in the United States, our 3rd Infantry Regiment does all of the public duties and they've deployed just like the Coldstream and Grenadier Guards have.

>>31024043
The Guards are for ceremony. Real protection is done by the RDPG (royal and diplomatic protection group of the met).

They do have live rounds in storage nearby however, and its always a full battalion nearby. So within a short time of a happening you would find a fully tooled up infantry unit on top of you.

>>31024331
Well you lost most of the battles of the revelutionary war, but thats a different topic.

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>>31023788
>Comparing secret service (federal police) to the Royal guard (an infantry unit)
>what is the 3rd infantry regiment

>>31024465
Very much this.

>>31024448
>real experience of combat, something the secret service does not have
you do realize they did other things before coming into SS, right? Not all of them have combat experience just as much as someone who went to Iraq may or may not have it. you don't automatically see combat just because you deploy.

>>31024564
However all of the Guard units that are stationed at the palace are infantry units. They aren't support troops, while yes maybe not all of them have seen direct combat, it is highly likely that the majority of them have.

>>31024235

epic meme, but the L2 has shown to be more reliable and accurate than the M16 and M4.

>Continued testing of the L85A2 in adverse conditions demonstrates its reliability over contemporary rifles, including the M16. Although it is heavier than most conventional and more modern bullpup rifles, its full-length barrel gives higher muzzle velocities and better terminal performance than both the M4 and the M16. Rounds from an M4 will only reliably fragment out to 50–100 metres, while the L85A2 and M16 allowed fragmentation out to 150–200 metres, and the L86A2 has an even longer fragmentation range.

>>31024454
>Different anon here but you're misunderstanding something vital: those are all part of the president's stateside detail.

But that's a different question to what is being asked. I hate being asinine, but those aircraft are not manned by SS and so again is not relevant as we're talking about SS vs a battalion or brigade that has the capability to field native armour.

Native capabilities only.

>>31024235
>secret service only has pistol and SMGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyyYLfSH010

>>31023808
Idk, the swedish royal guard carry loaded rifles, would be very surprised if the bongs didnt.

Who would win? An infantry regiment or a glorified police force?

>>31024614
>But that's a different question to what is being asked. I hate being asinine, but those aircraft are not manned by SS and so again is not relevant as we're talking about SS vs a battalion or brigade that has the capability to field native armour.
That statement about the interceptors was in response to this:

>>31023987
>The queens guards also have scorpion light tanks on standby in their barracks.

Comparing the Secret Service to the Queen's Guards means comparing the support apparatuses for guarding the head of state too. Secret Service explicitly comes with air support, just like those men in funny hats have Scorpions sitting on standby.

don't forget that DC is within an hour of driving time from Quantico Marine Corps base.

the president also has the Marine corps presidential unit.

>>31024671

The light tanks are native capability, as in manned and maintained by the regiment(s), the air support for the SS is not manned and maintained by the SS, so is not a native capability.

If we're talking about this, we have to talk about *native* capabilities only.

>>31024701
>infantry battalions
>organic tank units

this is not native support.

>>31023788
>queens guard
>guns jam whole the time because shit

>SS
>fiiring rocket-proppeled armour piercing hollow point aborted nigger fetus firing AR-15

How can britbongs compete?

>>31024710

disregard everything I've said.

I was wrong, I though those infantry battalions had them.

>>31024701
>If we're talking about this, we have to talk about *native* capabilities only.
Then you're already fucked because the Queen's Guard does public duties without ammo and their actual job is taken up by the RDPG, so those Scorpions don't count because they're technically not a part of the actual job.

So it's unarmed men in ceremonial uniforms versus agents in civilian clothes with automatic weapons. That's their "native capability" so the fight has suddenly got absurdly off-balance.

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>>31023788
The Swiss Guard would beat both.

>>31024710
the Queen's Guards include Household Cavalry as well, Blues and Royals are an armoured unit.

>>31024733
Scorpions were retired in 1994, but related vehicles are still being used by Household Cavalry

>>31024578
And the SS recruits a lot of former special operations.

>>31024753
>40 conscripts in funny hats