>2016 years post-magic jew >not owning an HK The P2000,

The P2000 trigger feels like dragging a dead hooker over train tracks.

>>31016285
Doesn't feel any worse than a CZ 75 or stock SIG P-series trigger to me.

>>31016260
One day I'll buy a USP just because of video games and TV, but that's pretty much the extent of my interest in HK.

>>31016305
>implying

The only ones worth buying are the battleraifus and pistol carbines, both of which are ludicrously expensive in the US.

>>31016260
>striker fired plastic pistols
Not that interesting.

>VP9
Hot garbage.

>P30
Kind of nice but not interesting.

>USP
Same.

>Mk.23
Actually interesting, I want to rebarrel one into .460 Rowland

>>31016495
>.460 Rowland
>not converting it to 9x25 Dillon

>>31016495
If you think the VP9 is hot garbage you have never owned one. It's a better shooter than a Glock 17 in my opinion.

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>>31016495
>>VP9
>Hot garbage.
>>Mk.23
>Actually interesting, I want to rebarrel one into .460 Rowland

why tho.

>>31016592
Of course it is. Better trigger, better ergonomics.

>>31016323
>One day I'll buy a USP just because of video games and TV, but that's pretty much the extent of my interest in HK.
you are not alone

>>31016592

Yea but is it waterproof?

Had a P2000SK and USP9c, sold em both. Also shot my buddy's P2000 LEM. Garbage triggers on all of them and I flat out couldn't hit anything with them. HK basically killed any desire for polymer anything for me.

My CZ75 is buttery in comparison.

>>31016260
thats not how you load a magazine

>>31016716
Want me to tell you how I know that you've never shot an HK?

>>31016323
9mm usp runs $700 new online. $750 comfortable

used, usp can drop as low as $500. anon bought a usp 45 (not tactical) for $525

>>31016260
FN is a far better brand, if you're going to be a brandfag.

>>31016716
>>31016716
Really? Have had two CZ 75s, a standard B and a matte stainless and the trigger was pretty similar to this P2000, except the trigger blade on the 75s itself was thinner and less comfortable, and DA was stiffer and stacked bad near the end.

Have never fired a P2000SK or USPC though, the trigger might feel different.

Also LEM feels fuckin' great. Sometimes I wish I got the light LEM instead of DA/SA. LEM is basically self-decocking DA/SA with a 4.5lb DA pull and clean break. What's not to like?

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>>31016719
how fucking new are you?

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>>31016743
when I went to buy my p30, they had a p30 v3 and a p2000 lem side by side. i tried both triggers and the lem felt worse to me. which is a shame, I like the concept, but i bought a p30 v3

though now I'm wondering if I should of bought an sk

I don't like them.

I think they are ugly and I have never held one and felt the urge to buy it.

I used to have a USP 9 and it was such a forgetful experience I can't even remember what I did with it.

>>31016770
How did it "feel" worse? Describe.

>>31016779
>I don't like them.
>I have never held one
I can believe that.
>I used to have a USP 9 and it was such a forgetful experience I can't even remember what I did with it.
I think you're lying.

>>31016814
ok

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>>31016732
>anon bought a usp 45 (not tactical) for $525

I am that anon. The USP 45 pictured was $525 shipped and is a fantastic pistol. It was really dirty when I got it and needed a new magazine spring, but the recoil spring still has life in it and the barrel doesn't show a whole lot of wear at all. I also picked up the USP 40 Tactical recently for about $740 shipped. Granted, I have no interest in suppressing this in the near future, and the o-ring on the barrel seems like kind of a maintenance liability, but the match trigger and ability to suppress if I want to are definitely worth it. Also, 16-round jet funnel magazines were only about $37 each.

>>31016709
If you ask anyone who isn't MAC, it is.

>>31016770
I have the V3 DA/SA P2000, my brother has the same with the V1 4.5lb LEM trigger.

On DA, mine's a straight 12lb pull and it breaks suddenly, like a revolver. The V1's a long pull with almost resistance, then a wall with a crisp 4.5lb break. In SA they feel nearly identical, except my V3 has a hair shorter takeup and reset. Neither trigger is fantastic but they're by no means bad.

For defensive or combat I can see the advantage of the LEM over DA/SA, but the shorter SA pull makes me love mine for the range.

>>31016770
>though now I'm wondering if I should of bought an sk

nobody said you can't have both

>>31016779
>I think they are ugly and I have never held one and felt the urge to buy it.

Same, the P30 is pig-disgusting, but when I picked one up I fell in love. You don't have to buy one, but at least handle a few at your LGS some time

>>31016305
Nigga you for real? HK is unintentional double-tap city.

>>31016932
What do you mean by that?

>>31016948
He is implying that HK is the name of a city in which people unintentionally double tap their firearms on a day to day basis.


It is not a peaceful place.

>>31016911

Did MAC get a lemon that isn't waterproof like everyone else's?

Also

>Cocking wings

that fall off.

>>31016803
maybe I was doing it wrong, but the lem didn't feel SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than the da on v3. I still had to pull it like a da trigger, if that makes sense. and people might hate the reset, but I honestly really liked the SA trigger on the p30. (just as an appeal to authority, so does hickok45, but I know NOBODY else likes the p30 single action).

so I just didn't want to sacrifice SA and pull that lem trigger every single time.

>>31016913
I think people forget that it's not that hard to shoot both types. you just use a different part of your finger. practice

>>31016929
if i need a small gun, ill get a g26. blue label program, and also so i can follow my role model john wick

One thing I noticed about HK's is that their hammer springs will actually take a set when broken in (about 200-300 rounds), meaning that the trigger pull weight out of the box is not representative of how the gun will shoot over the next 20,000 rounds. I have a USP Compact that I put a new match hammer spring in not too long ago and if I compare the spring now to a spare match HS I have laying around, there's like a half inch difference after less than 300 rounds.

HK recoil springs are the opposite, though, and tend to perform exactly the same, well beyond the service life of other manufacturers' recoil springs. I'm not sure why, if it's the design or just the spring steel they use.

One more note: If you want to smooth out a P30 trigger pull, HKParts sells a light firing pin block spring, which will take the mush out of a light LEM trigger pull (pretravel) and will decrease stacking in the DA trigger pull.

>>31016967
He's trying to say the reset's so short people are doing accidental double-taps? What kind of HK trigger is he using?

I just measured my P2000, the SA pull is 12mm of travel, with 10mm of reset. That's the takeup as a Glock but more than twice the reset length.

>>31017028
>so i can follow my role model john wick

My nigga

I can't help but wonder if he'll use a P30SK in John Wick 2 now that it's out?

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>>31016994

He's about the only person that's had that happen as far as I can tell. Sample size of one and all that but others on YouTube have posted response videos where they dunk them and work fine.

Not sure what to make of MAC proceeding to hurl his VP9 at steel plates. He might have a touch of the downs or something.

>>31016994
We'll never know because he didn't do his test scientifically. If he had just tested a Glock or some other reference gun side by side, the same day, in the same conditions as he used to test his VP9, then his data would be so much more valuable. The fact that he tested his Canik TP9 a different day in different conditions means nothing.

>Cocking wings that fall off
You know, I don't think they even fell off in MAC's abusive video, but every VP9 owner I've seen talking about their gun on the internet has only talked about how well they hold up.

>>31017031
HK's recoil springs are rated for something retarded like 20k+ rounds. Everything in them is built to last.

My P2K DA doesn't stack at all, but I bought it used with ~250 rounds through it. Not sure if it smoothed out itself that fast or the last owner replaced the FPB spring, but it's a couple mm of slack then all smooth and 12lb-ish until it breaks.

>>31017028
>maybe I was doing it wrong, but the lem didn't feel SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than the da on v3. I still had to pull it like a da trigger, if that makes sense. and people might hate the reset, but I honestly really liked the SA trigger on the p30. (just as an appeal to authority, so does hickok45, but I know NOBODY else likes the p30 single action).
>
>so I just didn't want to sacrifice SA and pull that lem trigger every single time.

The v1 light LEM pull is not supposed to feel lighter than a standard v3 SA pull. It should be about the same. The only reason it's called light LEM is because the v2 standard LEM is heavier.

It sounds like you were doing it wrong, though. As long as you keep your finger on the trigger, there's no reason to pull through the entire pre-travel every time. The tactile reset distance is the same as the v3 SA trigger reset. It's literally like a safetyless SAO with a long pre-travel.

>>31017051

Anyway, I wouldn't take VP9 for SHTF. It's more of a sit in holster police pistol. Other Hk offerings are better for oper8ing

>>31017092
Yeah the V1 light LEM is wonderful. I'd say in practice it's more like a self-decocking DA/SA with a constant 4.5lb trigger.

First pull is a full DA length at 4.5lb, the pistol fires, and every shot at after that it resets at about half the initial length. Then when you're done, just let the trigger out all the way and it's back at the DA length. Very simple.

The SA pull is just a hair longer in reset than the DA/SA trigger, but it's barely noticeable.

>>31017110
How so?

It's perceived to be less durable than HK's hammer-fired pistols, right? I haven't found the source but I've heard that HK reps refused to comment on whether or not it's built to the same durability standards and can take as much of a beating as the USP, P2000, and P30 series. They also use a different finish, right?

>>31017116
>like a self-decocking DA/SA with a constant 4.5lb trigger.
That's misleading, though. The firing mechanism never decocks. All you're doing when you pull the trigger back is pulling against the trigger return spring.

>The SA pull is just a hair longer in reset than the DA/SA trigger,
I don't know what you're using the measure this, but it's basically the same. No normal user will notice a difference.

>>31017167
That's why I said "in practice". I realized the gun is always cocks. I'm just talking about how the trigger is actually used by the operator. When I describe LEM to people it's easier to explain how it's used than how it operates internally.

And yeah, basically the same, but just a hair longer. Measuring my V3 and my brother's V1 the difference is like 2mm. It's really only noticeable when you're shooting them both side by side at the range. Practically speaking, the difference is negligible.

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>>31016260
But I do!

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>>31017211

>>31017211
Your pistol collection is so AWB era.

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>>31017249
Thanks! I love all of them.

>>31017280
Actually, that picture's old. Give me ten to go take another

>>31016260
Convince me not to buy a Mark 23 /k/

>>31016592
The Glock doesn't stop working when it gets wet and actually has contemporary magazine capacity.

Besides, I like the M&P better.

>>31016659
Because the Mk.23 is made to withstand the hottest loads you can fit in it, it's one of those guns that are perfectly rated for a regular diet of .45 Super out of the box, it would be a really fun gun for handloading.

>>31017311
>The Glock doesn't stop working when it gets wet
This is why no one takes you seriously. Any gun can stop working when it gets wet grit in the internals. Yes, even Glocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4A_TbpHU1c

>and actually has contemporary magazine capacity.
What does that even mean?

>Because the Mk.23 is made to withstand the hottest loads you can fit in it, it's one of those guns that are perfectly rated for a regular diet of .45 Super out of the box, it would be a really fun gun for handloading.
It was originally tested with a 200 grain .45 ACP +P+ loading, but that doesn't mean it's ideally suited for a constant diet of .45 Super. HK tests their guns with +P ammunition for the same reason other manufacturers use a few proof loadings (high pressure) to test their barrels. They just want to accelerate any potential wear and see what's likely to happen after 50,000 rounds of standard pressure ammunition without actually having to shoot 50,000 rounds of ammo.

>>31017298
It costs as much as a low end used motorcycle.

Just bought a P30SK. Got jewed through tactics and paid total of $650 for it after tax. Not the best deal but I don't plan on ever needing another carry gun.

>>31017393
oh and it's the V1 light LEM

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>>31017249
THIS is my pistol collection. It's slowly growing.

>>31017495
I thought you'd have more 90s handguns, like a Smith and Wesson 5906 or something similar. What happened to the Sig?

>>31017393
>>31017450
Nice. I have tried one of these and tried to like it, but the grip was just too big for me to consider it a subcompact. Check out the pinky extensions that HKParts sells.

>>31017585
>FUCK!

The sig is in the car. I knew I was forgetting one.
I'm not very rich, and I've been buying rifles lately.

>>31017628
Still a good collection. You need more HKs.

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>>31017628
>leaving guns in your car

>>31017637
I need more of a lot of guns. Need a BHP, need a Beretta, need an M1911 copy (Not an A1), need a pre-b CZ75, I dream of a MK23, I need something retarded like a 4" S&W .500, I hit an 18x24" steel at 100yds with my friends .500 one handed

>>31017673
I live in Alaska, not detroit.

>>31016716
Yeah, you suck at shooting if you can't shoot an HK.

What is it with /k/ thinking that them sucking is the guns fault.

>>31017686
But what about bears breaking into your car, stealing all your guns and grape soda?

>>31017713
Not just /k/ and guns. Most people would rather blame the tool than themselves.

When I started shooting, I thought the guns I was using sucked. Took me years of experience to realize Glocks shoot just fine and I just had no idea what I was doing.

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>>31017723
That's why the USP45 has a full mag of 13 .45 super 255gr hardcast

>>31017785
Do you use a different weight recoil spring for .45 Super in that gun?

>>31017087
>HK's recoil springs are rated for something retarded like 20k+
30k+ between changes, except the Mk 23, which is indefinite between changes. HK themselves say 10k to be absolutely sure.

>>31017140
the VP9 isn't part of their LE program, it's a sport pistol, officially. they are made in the same factory, the same materials, and have the same finish. note that "HE" and "Maritime" are unique finishes, and they have a generic melonite one for their sport pistols.

>>31017920
No because I don't shoot it often. The recoil is simmilar to 230gr ball so it's cheaper to practice with that.

>>31017355
>It was originally tested with a 200 grain .45 ACP +P+ loading, but that doesn't mean it's ideally suited for a constant diet of .45 Super. HK tests their guns with +P ammunition for the same reason other manufacturers use a few proof loadings (high pressure) to test their barrels. They just want to accelerate any potential wear and see what's likely to happen after 50,000 rounds of standard pressure ammunition without actually having to shoot 50,000 rounds of ammo.
directly in the manual, and if you ask HK themselves, the pistol is rated for unlimited +P loads. their proof loads are like other Euro proof loads: 130% pressure. they also tested it with 200% pressure and found no issues, but don't recommend it.

>>31017988
What's the difference in pressures between .45 ACP+P and .45 Super?

>>31018074
.45 super is a different cartridge with thicker brass so you can hot rod it.

>https://www.underwoodammo.com/45-super/

>>31016709
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eJr453erCAc. Watch this.

>>31017957
>the VP9 isn't part of their LE program, it's a sport pistol, officially

Then what's with all the "LE" packages that come with three mags and night sights? Just marketing? I haven't noticed any other pistols coming in "LE" packages, just the VP9.

If anything it seems like they might be aiming the VP at the commercial and police markets, where standards are lower, not military as they usually do. Melonite has been long accepted for police use, so why use something better?

>>31018402
h&k is all about the police life. they named a usp trigger "law enforcement module" for fucks sake.

they lowered their quality to compete in a new market.

the p2000, p30, and sk models also have le packages. night sights and an extra mag.

>>31018431
>they lowered their quality
Evidence of this where?

>>31018438
Hold a USP and a VP9 at the same time.

>>31018461
That's not an argument.

>>31016260
Traded my vp9, but me and my USPc are inseperable

>>31018481
You obviously haven't done it.

>>31018632
I've had both, both are awesome. If I could make any changed to the Vp9 it would be stronger springs

>>31018632
Yes, I have.

>>31018511
you really like that bastard. and youve had lota of hks if im right. so which ones did you like?

>>31018511
Why did you trade the VP9?

>>31018511
>>31018511
The USPc / P2000 size is the best. HK is dumb as shit to not release a midsize P30 or VP9.

>>31021092
They also need to release something to fit into the P7 size class.

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>>31021333
>HK
>won't make the P7 anymore because it costs too much and they don't think people will buy it
>just reintroduced semi-auto MP5 pistols for $2500

>>31021393
Is it worth getting one of these even if you never SBR it? Is it easy to find stocks for them?

>>31021451
>Is it worth getting one of these even if you never SBR it?

I'm going to say no, but that goes for any other gimped SMG. They're only really useful as carbines.

>Is it easy to find stocks for them?
I really have no idea. HK would've fucked up badly if they made them not easily convertible to SBRs with all the HK stocks already floating around.

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I own two about to own a third

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What's the best caliber of USP Compact if you're only going to get one?

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>>31021524
>What's the best caliber of USP Compact

>>31021524
I like the 9mm and .40 versions. Both have good capacity and handle very well while shooting. The USP9C has very mild recoil, while the 40C kicks harder, but still is easy to control. The 45C doesn't enter into the equation for me because the capacity is so low, at only 8 rounds. Also, the full size USP45 already exists if you want to carry an obese caliber like .45 ACP, and the full size USP45 actually gives you a decent magazine capacity. As a bonus, you can use P30 magazines and P30 magazine extensions on those with the 9mm and .40.

>>31021524
.40 No other .40 compact shoots as soft. It can also double as your only .40 gun too.

>>31021687
I have to say, the USP40c is the only .40 pistol that the internet not only tolerates, but seems to love.

>>31021760
Any HK in .40 with one of the buffer systems is a good gun. With the panic that is soon to come it will be good to have something in .40

>>31021760
Because it is THE only true .40 combat pistol.

>>31021671
The full size .45 can also take .45 super and 13 rounds of that is reasonable firepower

>>31021832
It has 12 round mags.

>>31021843
You do realize that there's a spot in the chamber where you can carry the thirteenth bullet, right?

>>31021856
Yeah I do, but I keep seeing this one guy say the USP has 13 round mags , and was just making sure.

>>31021863
Many do, though.

>>31021871
Not the 45, and thats what the people are talking about.

>>31016260
Because MAC barely did anything to the VP9 and it fucking broke.

>>31021920
I meant 12 in the mag and one in the pipe, which is how I carry.

And the 45 has 20 round mags btw

>>31021959
>throwing it into the air and whipping it at a steel plate repeatedlt
>barely anything

>>31021970
They're Promag manufacture, though.

>>31021974
Most handguns can handle that and more. HK can't. Why would I want an inferior gun? Because the name? I'll gucci out my AR instead.

>>31021983
>Most handguns can handle that and more.
Proof? Oh, wait. There isn't any because MAC just decided to destroy his VP9 without regard to the scientific method. And no, most guns won't "survive" being thrown at a steel plate repeatedly without some sort of damage.

>>31021970
Promag doesn't count, but I know what +1 is, I thought you meant something else.

>>31021983
HK hammer guns can, the VP9 isn't to the same spec.

>>31021993
>proof?
You can find it yourself it you spent five minutes googling instead of shit posting and circle jerking. It's not my responsibility to spoon feed you information.

Unless a baseball player is throwing it, most modern service pistols will survive it. I guess it's hard coming to realization that it's not a miracle gun.

>>31021983
I haven't watched all of MAC's videos, but I've seen a lot, and I don't remember him whipping anything at a steel plate a bunch of times as some sort of test.

What was the point of that test anyway? To prove your pistol can't be used as a thrown impact weapon against opponents using steel plate armor without breaking? In what situation would would repeatedly whip your pistol into steel as hard as you can, and then need to fire it?

>>31021980
Yeah? They run fine with a couple of small modifications

>>31022010
>Promag doesn't count
Why mot? If it runs well what's the problem?

>>31022024
>>31022025
I've never seen a USP thrown at a hardened steel shooting plate.


>It's not my responsibility to spoon feed you information
It is your responsibility to defend your claim, when you are the one making them >>31021983

>>31022043
>Why mot?
Because ProMag is shit and their reputation is well-deserved

>If it runs well what's the problem?
If your promag works well consider yourself lucky, but that's usually not the case. They're cheap for a reason.

>>31022046
The USP wasn't listed in the OP

>It is your responsibility to defend your claim
This is autistic reasoning. You can find torture tests of similar caliber to the one MAC performed on the VP9 through google. If you are incapable of doing that I'm curious as to how you get dressed in the morning

>>31022075
You seriously can't dremel down one part of a mag to make it reliable? It's not hard.

>>31022076
>The USP wasn't listed in the OP
So, what? MAC's video was mentioned well into the thread.

>burden of proof is autistic
I suppose everything will seem unreasonable to someone who himself is unreasonable.

>>31022043
>Why mot? If it runs well what's the problem?

They have shit reputation, and HK mags have superior reliability.

>>31022046
I am not that other guy friendo.

>>31022203
>I am not that other guy friendo.
If you're making a claim, it's on you to defend it.

>>31022211
I never claimed anything though. So go fuck yourself pussy.

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>>31022203
So that's a no?

>MFW I have reliable USP45 with 21 rounds of 255gr .45 super
>MFW fuck bears.

>>31022223
So you want to take back your claim that other pistols can handle being thrown at a steel plate?

>>31022283
No.

>>31022254
Use google, I am not proving something the rest of the internet knows already.

>>31022327
>No.
Then you are making a claim and the burden of proof is on you.

>>31022345
Cool, you are still wrong.

>>31022376
Enjoy the feeling of not being believed or taken seriously.

>>31022426
Everyone else knows I am right. Its well know that promag are shit.

>>31022453
>promag

What the fuck. Follow your own reply history, idiot. That's not what I'm talking about.

>>31022468
Hey fuck face, I already told you that was someone else. Maybe you need to learn how to open your fucking eyes.

>>31022453
Have you ever bought a promag? Its like dsa fal mags that have a bad rep online but people buy them because theres not much else to choose from and guess what they work 90% of the time. For that other 10% they have a lifetime guarantee. I have a 20rd mag i bought as a range toy and lo and behold it has worked flawless for at least 500 rounds through that particular mag. Bought a regular hk mag as well and a regular capacity promag that fed well but wouldnt drop free. I had a new magazine shipped to me within a week that works great. Guess what if it didnt work 100% I could return it again and get a new one. If tomorrow, years after being purchased it gives me trouble i will send it in and get a new one. You must do the bare minimum cleaning/maintenance on your guns possible, not taking apart the mags and cleaning and lubing them etc as your weapon.
10/10 magazine would recommend.

>>31016285
This isn't wrong, the P2000 has a fuggin' awful trigger

>>31016719

Everyone knows that's how you load a USP's magazine newfag

>>31022327
the rest of the internet is gushing over vp9. its very popular. all you have to do is link mac's video. you wont do that because you know youre wrong

>>31016260
Because I like my glocks better :^)

>>31017355
>What does that even mean?
The VP9 has a magazine capacity of 15, that's extremely pitiful for a full-sized, striker-fired plastic gun in this day and age.

The Glock, M&P, XDM, M9A1 and all the others like it, all feature 17rd magazines as standard.
Even old 5906 steel boat-anchors can have flush fitting 17rd magazines these days and they originally started out with 14

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>>31024095
No it doesn't, just learn to shoot.

>>31024776
I know, I used to own one. I sold it because I would hold the slide lock down. I prefer their hammer guns, and I know those get contracts and the testing to ensure they will be fine.

>>31026403
Its not a fullsize, it fits in between the G17 and G19

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>>31026741