how do two conventional armies fight in an environment like this?

There wouldn't be infantry battles in cities. Why is [a certain city] so important? Casualties would be astronomical for all parties.

>>31009405
>urban ops in a mega-city
>in NYC

Nuke it and be done with it. It would take an entire nations military to secure NYC.

>>31009405
Nice try commie

cut entrances and exits and then wait

>>31009459
Well, New York is important because of the federal reserve, Wall Street, and other important things.

It's hard to win a war when the enemy still holds their capital city.

>>31009405
Look at the clusterfuck which was Fallujah, and that's near not a fraction of NYC.

Any smart commander would siege the city, if it's possible. Otherwise, unfortunately, the city will be flattened

>>31009405

Station whatever was necessary at the Bridges and tunnels if wanted. If not, destroy said bridges and tunnels.

What's in NYC thats of value to the military? A bunch of civilians with no legal weapons, and soon to be no food, utilities, or exit.

Fuck it, man.

>>31009473
Wait for what? You'll have to advance into a city full of desperate cannibals.

>>31009504
wait for everyone to die and/or surrender

>>31009511
Can the beseiging army wait several years? The germans tried exactly that with Leningrad, it didn't really work out.

Surround and lay siege, like Dubrovnik but bigger

>>31009405

Do I need the city? If not, flood or bomb the ever shit till the enemy surrenders or it's mostly rubble.

If I do, well we gotta to it the old fashion war. TO STALINGRAD!

>>31009534
Leningrad was supplied across frozen lake

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>>31009473
>>31009488
>>31009490
>>31009511
But what if the enemy sieges themselves? What if it is part of a plan? None of you seem to be big guys.

>>31009560
>four you's

>>31009483
>NYC
>capitol
Kek

>>31009534
but NYC isn't populated by slavs

>>31009709
NYC is the capital of the US in in the truest sense of the word.

Anyway, just blow the bridge, tunnels, water, electric and internet grids and patrol 24/7 to prevent supply. No need to commit to holding the civilian pop.

>>31009758
>NYC is the capital of the US in in the truest sense of the word.

Except that it literally isn't.

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>>31009573
you have won the Internets. My sides have now been reduced to a fine paste and are heading towards that place where the monolith takes you

>>31009787
>truest sense of the word

It's not LITERALLY the capital but it is.

>>31009787
It's the first Capitol

>>31009459
>Moscow
>Stalingrad
>Berlin
>Grozny
>Basically all of the current Syrian war.

>>31009822
Is the seat of the US government in NYC?

Does Congress convene there?

Does the President live there?

Was it designated the capital of the US by the founding fathers?

No?

Then I guess it's not the capital at all you absolute fucking retard.

>>31009787
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

>>31009853
No but really NYC is the capitol.

I'm probably smarter than you too faggot, step off you right cunt

>>31009853
>being this autistic
He's saying it's such a big part of our economy and what have you that it may as well be our capital.

Nobody here thinks Washington isn't LITERALLY the capital. Jesus fucking Christ.

>>31009877

thank you stallman

>>31009822
This. Everywhere in Europe, the cultural and commercial center is also the political capital. In the US, our capital is NYC and our government skurks in DC.

>>31009896

Since when does playing a big part in the economy have anything to do with being a capital? In fact, in the United States our state capitals are usually separate from the economic centers so as to distribute jobs and resources. A capital city is a political designation and there's literally nothing about NYC that makes it similar to the capital except maybe for its embassies and the UN.

>>31009842
>Moscow
never happened
>stalingrad
Unique situation, city on river so it couldn't be surrounded, jeopardized any river crossing surroundingit
>Berlin
Unique situation, the war was over by then anyway; it was only taken by necessity of street racing allies
>Gronzy
>Syrian war
in civil wars and insurrections like that it might be a necessity as controlling population is an objective

>>31009483
you need someone with the authority to surrender, its why we didnt bomb kyoto in ww2

>>31009896
Will losing NYC cause the US to suddenly surrender?

If no, then what other reason is there for risking the forces necessary to take it? Bomb the bridges and tunnels and ferry docks. Let them try to Escape.

>>31009896
It isn't even the capital of NY state. kek

>>31009955
What about the battle of Ortona also known as little Stalingrad?

>>31011336
Needed the port to shorten supply lines, it just happened to lay inside of a city
lol its a stretch at this point I know

>>31009955
>stalingrad
>Unique situation, city on river so it couldn't be surrounded, jeopardized any river crossing surroundingit

Even if you totally disregard the Hudson and East Rivers, you still have the Atlantic fucking Ocean flanking NYC.

>>31011423
unless you chose NYC as your as your landing point for some reason I can see no reason why you would ever need to take the city

just sever communication and bypass

>>31011437
Major port with water access all the way to Canada and the Great Lakes

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>>31011502

New York City makes NOTHING.
Destroy major routes into it, stop the ports from operating. The millions within die.

A better question is what to do about Houston. Major highways in every direction, massive armed population, coastal, oil processing, they make stuff there, the hundreds of miles around it make plenty of food.

>>31011549
abandon the most populated US city to save part of Mexico, genius plan!

>>31011674
war isn't about capturing the capital and restructuring the government anymore, wars are fights for total national and political survival to the death, the city and it's people are not the objective.

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>>31009573
>>31009560

>>31011549
New York can fund a war machine, but that wealth is largely transferable. The hit would be to the stock trading and global trade. Just level the key buildings and seal it. This anon gets. Short, practical offensive. If you decide to hold anything, hold the highways on the mainland. Big route for N/S travel.

>>31009405

State the objectives.

NYC as the target example:

If you just want to create a crisis, besiege and seal it as tight as possible. The population density will use all resources within days and they'll kill most of themselves off in short order.

Of course, the survivors at the end of several weeks are going to be about as tough as unstoppable zombies, so you wouldn't want to send your own people in at that point.

If two conventional armies need to fight in the NYC urban limits ... you've got to describe the situation better. Why are they fighting? What does each army need to accomplish? Will supplies be incoming for either or both armies?

Tactics and collateral damage each army employs will depend heavily on the specific situation. You must have seen the shit show in Syria by now. That's what it looks like when a vastly superior force us taking a city from partially supplied (in relative terms) defenders, and the attacking force is using modern air power. Those are little more than towns compared to NYC, and that's been going on for about three years, with maybe an end in sight within another one or two. In addition, that's even when nobody cares how much damage they do to the infrastructure or civvies ... imagine if they were trying not to level those cities.

>>31009405
wat gta4 mod is that

Why has everyone forgotten that uniformed battle is not hard in the modern world? It's fighting insurgents that bogs everything down. When each side has all its members in uniforms and bases, war becomes much more straight forward.

Siege NYC, bomb the bridges and then set up artillery around. Shell it for weeks and months. Call in air force to train target precision. Do like the old days and wait to the population to starve to death.

Or nuke.

>>31011502
The canal system in New York isn't able to handle large ships. Virtually all commercial ship traffic to the great lakes uses the Saint Lawrence seaway.

soviets had one easy technique for fighting in the cities: avoid it. really, their armored columns would just drive past cities and fuck shit up on the plains instead.

>>31012407

Just promise us you'd start with Harlem and Queens

>>31012407
>implying spiderman wouldnt stop you

>>31011517
I love things like this. Really takes a pin and pops the ego of those people who insist that losing NYC to an occupying force would somehow force the US to surrender

That liberal sinkhole is only one of many major ports on the east coast, thank god

I imagine it's the same with Los Angeles/San Francisco?