New Chinese Type-96B tank just broke down at «Tank biathlon»

>Chinese crap breaks again

In other news the sky is blue

You forgot the part where they won despite this.

US should compete in this.

>the most watched part of the Russia-hosted International Army Games.
I thought this was happening in Kaz?

were the chinese technicians executed

>>30990978
>Last year their engine caught fire and they had to take a new one.
>This year it go immobilized on a simple test track.

C-China will grow larga!

>>30990990
>Something made today wipes the floor with antiques from a few generations back.
They really should've just forced them into a T-72 variant like all the other participants.

The state of this article is horrible. Either they Google translated some Russian news or this was written by a half blind and retarded redneck. Why is this shit allowed?

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Looks sexy AF, too bad it's made by the Chinese

>50 centers on damage control

>>30990978
Someone needs to replace the toner in the copy machine. Quality seems to be dropping.

>camo
>paint giant red star target on it

>>30991049

>They really should've just forced them into a T-72 variant like all the other participants.

Because that's how real warfare works, right? Can't let one nation have a technical advantage, it's not fair.

>>30991089
>competition
>real war

>>30990978
>lost the entire fucking roller

Made in china!

>>30991146
It's like in a Discworld book when Terry Pratchett says when there's a crash, somehow there's always that one wheel rolling around somewhere.

>>30990978
Everyone also suffers some kind of damage one way or another

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>sloped turret front
Are the gooks still living in 50's or something?

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>>30991348
Also the Germans, haha!

Guys just think they denied Russian armata for this, you know why? They said that their mbt t-96 is best than armata on all competes they did .(sure yea next time let the turet leave it's position)

>>30991089
Inst it more about the capabilities of the crew?

>>30991389
Slopes are hollow you fucking spud

>>30991348
What's wrong with sloped armour? Sure, it doesn't bounce APFSDS like it used to AP, but that slope still increases the amount of armour any projectile has to punch through.

>>30991414
Cause armour isn't just one homogeneous block any more. Its composites of different materials/thicknesses.

>>30990978
DERETE DIS

>>30991428
I'm well aware of that, it's one of the reasons heavy tanks died out. Still the fact remains, when you hit armour at an other than 90 degrees, it has to punch through a great depth. If you're APFSDS round has an effective penetration value of say 800 mm RHA and it hits 700 mm at and angle increasing it to 900mm, surely chances are high the penetrator isn't going to make it?

>>30991453
the modern mbt are of the size of the heavy tanks of the ww2 and even heavier

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>>30991389
The front of the Leopard 2's turret is just a hollow block of spaced armor. Everything behind it is slab sided. The Type 96 turret is actually sloped, sacrificing internal space for reasons that don't really make sense.

>>30991462
This still doesn't change the fact that relative armor is thicker with a slope.

>>30991470
But the 96-99's slope only covers half of the turret height. The rest is exposed roof. And from what we've seen from the past wars, apfsds doesn't bounce off roof sloping

>>30991497
Modern KEPs are called Long Rods for a reason; they're long and dense enough to defeat MBT armor regardless of thickness or slope. It isn't WW2; if your tank gets hit by a modern non-chemical projectile, it's fucked, and there's little to nothing that can be done about that. It's much more sensible to just stick with slab sides. Yeah, you're looking at 800mm RHA equivalent instead of 900mm, but you gain increased crew comfort and combat effectiveness in a turret that doesn't have to be designed around retarded slopes, and those beautiful slab sides make it considerably easier to design and mount effective appliqué or ERA kits to further enhance survivability and service life.

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>>30991539
There's a reason every single MBT worth caring about was designed with flat surfaces in mind.

>>30991539
LRP'S don't go through every armour.

>>30991539
>crew comfort
>tanks

>>30991563
M829A3 can penetrate ~750mm RHA equivalent at 2000m. M829A4/5 probably pushes that up to 800mm, which is the effective thickness of the strongest part of the turret front on an M1A2SEP, Chobham and composites and DU inserts included. We're at a point, yet again, where lethality far outpaces defensive capabilities.

>>30991470
I never understood why soldiers post pictures like this so that all the other countries can see it.
Don't people have any idea about need to know and intelligence gathering?

>>30991595
Because military intelligence for even the shittiest and least relevant countries on earth will have people competent enough to safely assume that it's just spaced armor at a glance.

>>30991595
The 2A5, first slope version, was put in service in 1998. Unless you're some dindu shithole, I don't think getting intel on a 18 years old tank.

>>30991624
would be your first priority. Forgot to finish my sentence.

Plus, the risk of a new world war behind the high secrecy of most cold war projects is now mostly gone.

>>30991580
That is actually a very big part of modern tank design, a tank is worthless if its crew can't do their job properly.

>>30991588
Sabots couldn't reliably pen the front turret of scuttled Abram's during the Iraq war. The strongest tank round at The time couldn't reliably kill the strongest tank of the time

>>30991631
Yes of course but I'm not being specific about ageing Leo series, I'm talking all tanks, particularly current versions, all have photos of cut outs and equipment posted online.
People analyze these photos and gather all sorts of information to build a picture on just how an Abrams (example) is protected and where.

It's an issue soldiers don't understand and leadership doesn't enforce.

>>30991662
That was thirteen years ago, anon.

>>30991669
>build a picture on just how an Abrams (example) is protected and where.

Heavy composite armor and perhaps easily distinguishable ERA plates on the front, lighter armor and ERA on sides, weak armor in the rear and top. That's how the Abrams and every single MBT ever built post 2000 is protected.

And enforcing censorship is an issue for weapons newly introduced in service. Intelligence is trying to determine how the next weapon is going to work, not how the last one was.

>>30991669

I took a picture of an Abrams. I can build it now.

>>30991389
I've always wonders why they added the sloped spaced armor on the 15+

Definitely gives the Leo some extra aesthetic points but how well does it perform?

I'm assuming it'd be useful against a APDSF round for the sabot would lose most of its energy in penetrating the spaced armor.

Am I in the right ball park or not in the right city?

>>30991791
2A5+

I should really to to bed..

>>30991713
Naive.

>>30991791
Primarily spaced armour

>>30991791
>I'm assuming it'd be useful against a APDSF round for the sabot would lose most of its energy in penetrating the spaced armor.
Other way around, the dart wouldn't give a fuck, but HEAT rounds detonate early against them, blowing their jet against the actual armor and being useless

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>>30991862
Ohh, that does make sense, since the explosion would have to penetrate the spaced armor than the actual current armor which is nothing to scoff at (memes aside the Leo 2 Abrams, Leclerc and Chally are the best in the world)

Are western sabots really that good at their job?

>pic related, NATO power houe

>>30990978
Is this supposed to be bad?

When you are racing tanks and jumping obstacles at 50 mph, things break.

Finally, the Chinese won despite this. Really makes you cognate.

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>>30991899
Won?

>>30991678
Yes, but its also the only concrete evidence we have in a world of top secret shit

>>30991909
They won the main race.

>>30991887
We'll never know until they actually have to fight a same-generation MBT.
Also, HEAT rounds don't penetrate via explosion per se, there's an internal explosion that forces out a stream of metal at high speed.
Used to be all the rage for a while but now they're all but worthless against modern MBTs thanks to ERA and cage everywhere.

>>30991929
Not in final race

>>30991009

The intelligence coup you give your enemys is not worth the dickwaving if you seriously compete.

Any US tank in service would smash the T-72 or 96B. FBCB2 is one hell of a fucking drug.

Based upon stryker anon, you can des targets, and have the gun automatically slave to such targets, one after another.

The gunner can tag targets on the race, and when they get to the fireing line, just shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, etc, etc.

Thats just one tank. The real advantage is every tank in the network (or if its jammed, LOS) sees the same data and can des targets to each tank.

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>>30991937
Thanks for teaching me stuff, have more NATO pride

>>30990978
Chink manufacturing at its finest

>>30990978

>Made in China

What were you expecting?

>>30992074
>NATO
>pride

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>>30992097
copying Murifats has its disadvantages

>>30992069
>FBCB2 is one hell of a fucking drug
Its a C2 tool. It doesn't include in itself the HK automatic turret slewing and automatic target tracking you mentioned as its part of the FCS instead. Don't use terms you don't know.

>Based upon stryker anon, you can des targets, and have the gun automatically slave to such targets, one after another.
>The gunner can tag targets on the race, and when they get to the fireing line, just shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, etc, etc.
It has rudimentary HK capabilities, we get that.
Btw automatic targeting aids aren't allowed in the gunnery portions of the biathlon. SOSNA-U has an automatic target tracking function alright, but it isn't used.

>Thats just one tank. The real advantage is every tank in the network (or if its jammed, LOS) sees the same data and can des targets to each tank.
Not quite. Only when the commander bothers to put tags on the map- video feeds aren't available afaik.

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>>30991909
to be fair
they have the lead before the road wheel fuck up

>>30991791
>sloped spaced armor
It is not spaced armor. It is non explosive reactive armor.

>>30992264
>Its a C2 tool

No, thats BFT, a part of FBCB2.

>it doesn't include in itself the HK automatic turret slewing and automatic target tracking you mentioned as its part of the FCS instead.

FBCB2 is integrated into the HK aspect of applicable vehicles (Stryker, bradley, and abrams). It has DOES have this, as FBCB2 is directly integrated into the FCS. FBCB2 is always sending the data to everyone.

>Don't use terms you don't know.

NO U

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0ahUKEwjS2vXi0sPOAhXCQSYKHSYGCyoQFgg2MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdtic.mil%2Fcgi-bin%2FGetTRDoc%3FAD%3DADA388153&usg=AFQjCNEGNXNdAde87Lha3E9Jwerg13POZQ&sig2=rOn0zoaGgaXgZiz8nMDyaw&cad=rja

>It has rudimentary HK capabilities, we get that.

>rudimentary

the asshurt is real. No other nation on earth has this capability.

> SOSNA-U has an automatic target tracking function

Locally only though the FCS. The target is not tracked on a map, just from the position of the tank.

>Only when the commander bothers to put tags on the map

And why would he not, thats literally his job, and takes the click of a finger.

>video feeds aren't available afaik.

Who the fuck said anything about video feeds?

Real time GPS location and elevation.

>>30991348
Slope is still being >used in today's mbt, except it's usually extreme slope, like 80 degrees

Impressive

Even when blackmailed by their compatriots, the Russians, the Chimese Military still won. It is a noted ability of Russia to cheat or fix some parts of non Russians so it will break down so it is not a negative way for China since it is to be expected and they are friend. It just shows the grit and determination of Chinese Militaru that has no analogue anywhere else in the world.

>>30992264
>Only when the commander bothers to put tags on the map-

This is done automatically when the commander marks a target, and sent over the net.

He is (mostly) right. FBCB2 is a core component of the hunter killer aspect of the abrams.

>>30991470
>>30991791
>I'm assuming it'd be useful against a APDSF round for the sabot would lose most of its energy in penetrating the spaced armor.


http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15759&page=3
>Our test facility doesn’t allow experiments with heavy ERA. We used a heavy skirt target instead (2 ARMOX plates with rubber between).
>This type of target sifts the chaff from the wheat. Penetrators with bad material qualities leaves this target as a row of fragments while with jacketed penetrators or monoblock penetrators of good quality the tip only is eroded.

>>30992404
>>30992404

>This web page at www.tank-net.com has been reported as a deceptive site and has been blocked based on your security preferences.

>Deceptive sites are designed to trick you into doing something dangerous, like installing software, or revealing your personal information, like passwords, phone numbers or credit cards.

>Entering any information on this web page may result in identity theft or other fraud.

Nice try, russian agent. You cant touch my computron.

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>>30992409
Proceed at your own risk.

>>30992429

Im good. Those usernames are cancer. The whole thing looks suspicious as fuck. At best, its anecdotal, i have no idea who "arrow" is or does.

>>30991411
So are the "slopes" on the Chinese tank, it's a wedge of ceramics and steel over the turretface.

>>30992444
He is Willi Odermatt co-author of Lanz-Odermatt equation.
http://www.longrods.ch/

>>30992334
>No, thats BFT, a part of FBCB2.
Its the opposite actually, or rather FBCB2 is BFT for the Army.

>the asshurt is real. No other nation on earth has this capability.
Leo 2 from the 80s had it, as well as maybe T-80? as that time. So sad you only had it in the 90s with M1A2.

>>30991470
>The Type 96 turret is actually sloped

No, it is not.

>>30992474
So sad it wasn't until the late 90's that Germans had a thermal sight for their commander, and the twenty teens that Russian tanks did.

>>30992254
>German gun

>>30992403
>This is done automatically when the commander marks a target, and sent over the net.
You lock on to the target then ident. and then you add it. Otherwise you run the risk of flooding the map with target tags or worse painting civvie vics for example.

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>>30991389
Advertising for this kind of thing is weird. They have generals and contract buyers and people they need to impress so they advertise just like any company does for the civilian market.

"The DU481 penetrator guarantees 70% deeper armor penetration and the warhead will provide reliable clearing of tank crew.." and so on.

It's just ironic i guess

>>30992474
>or rather FBCB2 is BFT for the Army.

>The location data for friendly forces is collected through the Enhanced Position Location Reporting System (EPLRS) line of sight tactical radio network and Blue Force Tracking (BFT) satellite network

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_XXI_Battle_Command_Brigade_and_Below

And yet, you will still argue the point.

>Leo 2 from the 80s had it

Hahahahahahahaha, no. Leo 2 got HK with 2A4 RUAG upgrade/2A6. I am unsure about a french FBCB2.

>T-80

No russian tank has anything like FBCB2. Not even the T-14. The infrastructure is simply not there.

>>30992490
Says this while the best parts of his beloved Abrams aren't even American. German gun, British armor, Belgian MG, etc. etc. The only part that's 100% Americano is the GT turbine and its an acknowledged lemon.

>>30992511

When you mark the object as a target, rather than just looking at it, it adds it to the battlemap. To use the hunter killer capability, you HAVE to mark the object as a target (obviously).

So you look, ident, lock. You dont lock onto everything you see, the fuck is wrong with you.

When you lock, its shared to everyone. Those vehicles with a applicable FCR can now slave to that target you just locked. Then, if you want to get fancy, you can designate that target as yours, that way you dont get overlapping fire.

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>>30992284
Excuses are for losers.

>>30992524
This troll's reading comprehension is defective. Fetch me another.
>The location data for friendly forces is collected through the Enhanced Position Location Reporting System (EPLRS) line of sight tactical radio network and Blue Force Tracking (BFT) satellite network
It says it recieves data as part of a much wider BFT network. Which agrees with what I've typed here.

>Hahahahahahahaha, no. Leo 2 got HK with 2A4 RUAG upgrade/2A6. I am unsure about a french FBCB2.
I was talking about HK capability you git.

>No russian tank has anything like FBCB2. Not even the T-14. The infrastructure is simply not there.
Even their infantry kits have em.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvlxYaPubE

>>30992544
>You dont lock onto everything you see, the fuck is wrong with you.
You should actually. Especially on moving targets. Makes it a lot easier to identify things.
Oh well if that's how it is who am I to question it- this is the system that in its first iterations can't even mark units in different colors.

>>30992527
>the only part of an Abrams that is not 100% American is the main gun and a 7.62mm MG

Setting aside that both tanks evolved out of a joint German-American MBT project.

>>30992069
Network could useful but playing video games might distract you from actual situational awareness, like threats not detected by the "network".

>just shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, shoot, press a button and the turret auto aims to the next target, etc, etc.

You sounds like an armchair wannabe 2bh (not that I'm operator).
Gunnery is not video game aimbots, you don't hit your targets 100% of the time.
And the guy shooting back is as accurate as you are.

>>30992074
I would have more NATO pride if the EU and company wasn't trying to genocide Europeans.

>>30992582
>Setting aside that both tanks evolved out of a joint German-American MBT project.
Oh how nice of you to remind me. A huge part of the original M1 design was straight-up ripped off from one of the Leo 2 prototypes.

>>30992562
>It says it recieves data as part of a much wider BFT network

No. There is the BFT sat network, which is SEPARATE from FBCB2, then there is FBCB2 witch uses the BFT as a component.

>I was talking about HK capability you git.

Yes, you "git". Leapords got HK capability with the 2A4 RUAG upgrade, and with the 2A6. Both happened around 07.

>>30992562
Yes, strelets is a plain jane blue force tracker. Worse, its localized only to the Ratnik system.

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>>30991049
>Something made today wipes the floor with antiques from a few generations back.
They're using T-72B3s which is a modern package.
The ZTZ-96 is a modernized ZTZ-88 which was a modified T-62 chassis.
Neither are brand new designs.
>pic related OG ZTZ-96s

>>30992594
Just like how Rheinmetall's 120mm smoothbore was actually a continuation of an American project.

>>30990978
I remember some anon in /biz/ complained about how the china steel industry cut corners anywhere they can, it's probably that.

>>30992594
Which Leopard prototype was the XM1 copied from?

>>30992573
>. Especially on moving targets.

Track is not lock. Separate function.

>this is the system that in its first iterations can't even mark units in different colors.

What?

>>30992591

>, like threats not detected by the "network".

Every threat marked is marked by a human.

Jesus christ anon.

>Gunnery is not video game aimbots

No, but it will get you 95% of the way there. Its much, MUCH faster than manually slaying to target.

>And the guy shooting back is as accurate as you are.

Yes, but im confident i will be far more aware of the battlefield than the other guy. Everything else is angles dancing on the head of a pen.

>>30990978
At first I wanted to say that it happens, because problems really do happen and maintainance is a bitch on anything more complicated than a Yugo 45. You just hit that fucker and it either breaks apart of start working again.

Then I saw the picture. Yeah, I am thinking that doesn't happen as much. I mean, on the flat portion of the terrain? Was at least after some vertical challenges or jumps? Disclaimer: Not an mechanical engineer working in the industry, but so is neither of you fucks.

>>30990978
China's Type 96B MBT expected to replace PLA's older tanks(http://www.janes.com/article/62900/china-s-type-96b-mbt-expected-to-replace-pla-s-older-tanks)


China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) is likely to use the Type 96B main battle tank (MBT) as the pillar of its tank fleet, replacing most of its older models, the China Daily newspaper quoted military analysts as saying on 10 August.

Gao Zhuo, a Shanghai-based military observer who is in close contact with the PLA, told the paper that the "excellent capabilities of the Type 96B qualify it to be the backbone of China's tank force".

Excellent?

>>30992621
>angles

Heh, Angels. Damn phone.

Oh, and Blue Force tracker is not FBCB2, but FBCB2 is a Blue force tracker. Blue force tracker is a separate network, so he is right, but FBCB2 could be considered a Blue force tracker in itself.

Who knew, you both were right.

>>30992627
Yeah they had to do jumps and hit shit while going ~50mph (which is quite fast for a tank)

>>30992595
>Worse, its localized only to the Ratnik system.
Unless the designers have been shooting up Krokodil they would include the tanks and other AFVs in the net.

>here is the BFT sat network
BFT is not just the sat network. Jebus Cripes. Its the broad term for mapping units, and other objects of interest on the battlespace.

>>30992658
>BFT is not just the sat network.

Blue Force Tracker (also called BFT) is LITERALLY the name of a satellite network. Its upgrade is called BFT-2

https://www.viasat.com/products/blue-force-tracking-2

>Unless the designers have been shooting up Krokodil

They must have been, because strelets is squad level only. Fucking useless.

>>30992629
The ZTZ-96B performed quite well, actually. Sure, things break and stuff, but so did the other tanks.

As for the bad accuracy of the shooting on the move excercise, there are some theories about it. First of all, the crew had only three month to familarize themselves with that new tank, as they were still equipped with Type 59Bs before. Secondly, it is said that the ammo was provided by the Russians this time, and China couldnt bring their own munitions.

The 2014 tank biathlon, the Chinese could bring their own munitions to the race, which is why they beat everyone else in that discipline:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRYTEes9UM

>>30992621
>Every threat marked is marked by a human.
>Jesus christ anon.

That's exactly the point.
If a threat is not picked up by a human/network, it doesn't display.
And it's not like the opponent have no GPS jammers etc.
You are assuming 100% intelligence, 0% counter-measures, which is armchair wannabe tier.

>>30992713
>If a threat is not picked up by a human/network, it doesn't display.

So, you are trying to tell me that if a human does not see a threat and mark it on the network, it will remain unmarked?

Are you retarded? Do you have brain damage? I dont even know how to respond to this asinine shit.

>And it's not like the opponent have no GPS jammers etc.

Tanks can share data LOS. All it takes is one vehicle or station chained back out of the jamming zone to update the rest. This has been thought out. It would be VERY hard to jam.

>You are assuming 100% intelligence

No im not, you dumbass.

>>30992673
>Blue Force Tracker (also called BFT) is LITERALLY the name of a satellite network. Its upgrade is called BFT-2
Holy shit mang, you just keep on proving your reading comprehension is shit.

>They must have been, because strelets is squad level only. Fucking useless.
Expert witness.

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>>30992735
>oly shit mang, you just keep on proving your reading comprehension is shit.

You keep proving you are ignorant as hell.

>Expert witness.

This is wiki tier shit. Strelets tracks ratnik systems, and can send video and pictures back to HQ. Thats it.

>>30992711
kek that difference

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>>30990978

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>>30992711
Yeah, last time the Chinese used their own APFSDS rounds, while this time, everyone had to use those Russian HEAT-FS.

Looks like China's tank doctrine is also APFSDS centered, unlike the Russian one that is centered on more accurate HEAT rounds.

>>30991556
The Germans are just upset they got fucked by the Soviets adapting sloped armor faster than them in WW2 and are trying to prove a point of muh box armor

How the fuck do you lose a wheel like that?

>>30992816
See >>30992641

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>>30992816
a very unlucky collision against these escarps a bit earlier.

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>>30990978

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhEBDeSVEb0>>30992816

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This tanks still drove literally sanic fast.

Maybe this was its undoing.

>>30992711

>The 2014 tank biathlon, the Chinese could bring their own munitions to the race, which is why they beat everyone else in that discipline:

Yeah, because in the tank biathlon you are not allowed to lase the targets and crew has to do the range estimates. APFSDS has much flatter trajectory than HEAT-FS so the gooks had unfair advantage as they didn't have to estimate the range as well as their competitors.

>>30992733
>So, you are trying to tell me that if a human does not see a threat and mark it on the network, it will remain unmarked?

DUUUH?

I'm GUESSING though that you cannot relay positional data to a friendly that's been jammed (you'll end up pointing your range finder at friendlys when you should be "fighting").

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>>30992802
Looks like it has a quite long L/D ratio.

Definitely longer and thinner than the Russian sabots.

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>>30993007
Or kind of like the newer Svinetz rounds.

>>30992986
>DUUUH?

Yeah, fucking DUUUUH. What the fuck is wrong with you anon? What the hell is your point? Lets find out...

>I'm GUESSING though that you cannot relay positional data to a friendly that's been jammed

If its LOS, you can.

> (you'll end up pointing your range finder at friendlys when you should be "fighting").

What the fuck? How, how do you even come to this conclusion?

You might be retarded anon. You might be fucking retarded.

>>30993022
If a friendly loses GPS, you will have to light him up to update yourself and him on his position.
Doesn't sound plausible.

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How about these ideas to make the tank biathalon actually interesting:

>Nothing past 1984
>Can only use vehicles that your country operated
>Both a manual event where all sighting, spotting, etc has to be done the hard way with optics and manual rangefinding and another where you can only use period equipment that was used on the vehicle

or

>Same Generation only
>Centurions, T-54/55, M46-M48, Type 59 etc allowed to be used
>To shut down debates, make it so that only vehicles made within a 10-15 year period count as a generation

or

>Restoration
>Must take a vehicle that hasn't had real maintenance done in years, the older the better, preferably stuff sitting outside as monuments or whatnot
>Must restore it to working condition and then use it
>Only select parts are allowed to be completely replaced, preferably by items that fit the same specs as the original

or

>Actual Teams
>Everyone is put into a lottery
>Teams are drawn randomly
>Everyone gets the same vehicle
>These teams then have to compete

>>30993098
>you will have to light him up to update yourself and him on his position.

Anon, what the fuck are you smoking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Position_Location_Reporting_System

>>30991939
but the master race?

>>30993110
>Not tank vs tank with MILES-like gear and blanks or dummy rounds

>>30992560
They sure did kill that dirt. It was evil dirt.

>>30993160
I see you don't get it.
But I will make a attempt.

One Achilles heel of FBCB2 is you need your position via GPS.
If your GPS is jammed, you're off the network.
You're in seat of the pants mode.

>>30993446
>One Achilles heel of FBCB2 is you need your position via GPS.

Thats false. EPLRS uses Radio Navigation. It does NOT need GPS to work, its the entire reason for it.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/eplrs.htm

> Additionally, EPLRS provides GPS-independent position determination and dissemination for blue force tracking in GPSdenied environments

Your move.

>>30993531
>Additionally, EPLRS provides GPS-independent position determination and dissemination for blue force tracking in GPSdenied environments

Too much of a nerd to buy this.
Details?

Your move.

Anyone else feel bad for the tank?

>>30993531
>>30993720

kek moment:

GPS denied but muh "radio navigation".
Like I said too much of a nerd.

>>30991083
kek

>>30993720
>>30993857

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_navigation#Transponder_systems

What the fuck do you think they did before GPS?

Guess?

>>30993857
GPS signals are several magnitudes weaker than EPLRS radios.

>>30993925
Interesting, learned something.

HOWEVER,

You can perhaps extract DISTANCE, but how do you get accurate DIRECTION? (you'll need directional antenna).

If you lose GPS, you are at least going to be seriously compromised.
And it's still radio, so jammable.

>>30994139
Radio Triangulation has been a thing for a century. And radio waves are really hard to jam.

>>30994139
>but how do you get accurate DIRECTION

Gee, idk, a compass?

>>30994139
>so jammable.

No. Its a Directional LOS system.

You would have to place the jammer direclty between two ground units.

If their is 4 ground units, you need to place the jammer between all four.

Hence why its EXTREMELY resistant to jamming.

If it was an NLOS system, you would have an argument.

>>30994139
are you the same faggot who keeps posting bullshit in every thread capitalizing words to sound smart and getting BTFO.

if it is put a trip on so we can block you.

>>30994139
>you are at least going to be seriously compromised.

I think anon proved that, no, not really.

>>30994159
>triangulation

OMG
see "directional antenna"

>>30991059
Looks like one of the french supplied helicopters.

>>30994168
>compass

actually you too.
See "directional antenna"

How are you going to determine the DIRECTION of the transponder.

>>30994353

Sending or receiving?

It sends omnidirectionally, receiving is obvious.