>Firefighters and EMTs should carry shotguns and rifles in

>>30936093
That move is all about getting medical first responders into mass casualty situations before the victims are all dead. If the police spend 4 hours looking for other shooters that don't exist, while the victims lay there bleeding, that translates to a lot of dead innocents.

>>30936126
Why not just have the EMTs, who are already bogged down with tons of equipment, be escorted by police?

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>>30936093
I dunno, I think if youve got a CC permit, carrying your sidearm on duty sounds perfectly reasonable.

>>30936134
Because there are only so many police available, and by the time the EMTs wait for more, people are dead.

>>30936126
that's what the police do, the firefighters job to take out fires and treat people

>>30936134
they are americans, the moment they get a police escort they'll start filming themselves and yelling frantically AM I BEING DETAINED while the victim bleeds out

i think you are also not aware of how often emergency vehicles are casually shot at in the inner city.

>>30936147
then train more police, by that retarded you should equip police with fire-extinguisher if they arrive first

>>30936162
Haha

>>30936134
That is already a thing

England has those armored up EMTs too

>>30936093
I could see EMTs, since they do occasionally have to pick up dead/on their way to dying gang members. In an area like that, there's multiple reasons to have a gun.

As for firefighters, no idea.

>>30936093
He doesn't look armed though

>>30936093
I think a pistol woukd be fine. I am pretty sure what >>30936126 is correct. In an active shooter or stabber situation (like the one in saaaayyyy FRANCE OR GERMANY OR AUSTRAILIA OR ENGLAND) it makes more sense for the EMTs to go in along with Police to save the lives of the wounded and be able to defend themselves rather than let them bleed out. Just becaise the shooter is no longer there doesnt mean he isnt coing back.

On a side note: We all need to stop with this "oh look at how violent America is" stuff. It does nothing to stop or slow down the increasing number of active shooter terrorist attacks. They have become a global issue and strict gun laws are not stopping them. Maybe arming every citizen wont help, but ignoring the problem isnt going to make it go away either.

>>30936147
So... You want EMTs and Firefighters to, instead of doing EMT and Firefighter things, literally get into firefights with active shooters or gang members or whatever?

>>30936265
God fucking this is already a thing the exact thing you are talking about already exists its called TMO

>>30936093
It's because first responders wether they are fire fighters or emt or police tend to get duo at a lot. To a lot of hoods anyone with seriens are fair game

>>30936285
Shot FUCKING SHOT AT god damn fucking piece of shit phone

>>30936185
What's wrong with cops having a fire extinguisher in the trunk if they need it?

>>30936093
You clearly haven't visited Baltimore.

If you're a specialist you should focus on your specialty. You can't expect an EMT or a firefighter to keep enough situational awareness to simultaneously be able to do his job properly AND use a weapon.

And if the situation is too hot, non combat personnel will not be allowed to enter the area anyway.

really for a riot situation. Just because the negroes are getting uppity doesn't mean you can let the entire block burn.

>>30936265
>Maybe arming every citizen wont help
well it almost definitely wouldn't because terrorists do these things with the full intent of dying during it and tend not to go on shooting sprees in favor of bombings anyway

>>30936329
>>30936185
>a single guy with a fire extinguisher is comparable to actual firefighting attack teams with proper hoses
Are all americans this stupid?

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I thought this stuff was interesting.

>>30936134

You're dumb.

>>30936185

A lot of cops carry one already in their car.>>30936225

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/me remembers American History X

>>30936461
So instead of fighting fires, the firemen should be getting into gun battles with rioters? Seems legit.

>>30936528
nah, it's just for defense
like if one rioter gets it into his head to beat a fire fighter, he gets shot
blacks are a cowardly pack animal, they will not fight when they come into resistance and will instead seek a defenseless target

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>>30936093

>average american ambulance attendent.png

Please my sides can only take so much.

>>30936520
Those are for the cop car itself, not for running into burning buildings.

Cop uniforms are probably not even fireproof.

>>30936143

Fucking this.

>>30936093
i like how americans try to solve every problems with more guns

>>30936607
I like how yuros try to solve every problem with more immigrants

>>30936414
but... but...
muh good man with a gun!

>>30936597

If the fire is small enough, the cop is not a retard (which is rare) they will grab it if they can. Seen them try to put out large ass car fires....wish is funny, works some times.

>>30936093
EMTs and firefighters I've talked to don't necessarily want to be armed. Most.of the time they are viewed as a neutral or even helpful party by the.people that are hostile towards law enforcement. Saving lives gets them a lot of respect from even hood rats and gang bangers.

Going armed would change that dynamic for a lot of them.

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>>30936592
i wish i had more

>>30936185
A- there are only so many police who can respond and be moving on-site to location during a shooting, or at least in the few minutes you have until the gunman gets their kills in

B- basically telling EMTs to run into an active gun fight or site with bomb threats is just asking for more deaths, and if the ambulance gets killed then they cant help anyone.

life isnt CS:GO, the FBI HRT doesnt spawn with equal equivalent at the start of the match, and the terrorists arent penalized for shooting hostages. If your normal beat cop shows up to a mass shooting, theres a decent chance they will be underequipped compared to the "die in a blaze of glory" shooter who has planned this for a while.

its a really shitty tradeoff of police response time vs lives, where rushing in too quick can mean officers down (more dead, less ability to secure site), and too late means terrorists may set up traps (like bombs at columbine) or just kill hostages.

>>30936484
Are all Europeans this asshurt? Obviously a fire extinguisher isnt going to stop a full on fire, but its better to have one in the case an officer is first on the scene to a minor fire/accident

>>30936698
>it's "asshurt" to say that police are literally not firefighters

wao

>>30936709
You're the one who implied that in the first place mate

>>30936690
then escort the EMT guys beacuse that's what the police trained to do, if everyone do their job right no need to arm the EMT

>>30936093
My buddy is an EMT in Canada and doesn't stop talking about how inconcievably retarded it is for anyone to suggest EMTs carry any sort of weapon.

1) Cops should clear up any trouble EMTs have before they even move in
2) EMT doesn't have time to worry about treating a patient and making sure said patient doesn't grab at his gun
3) EMT is supposed to treat people not shoot them

>>30936126
>>30936265
america is violent thos some ambulance driver refused to go in cos the family might attack her few years back in detriot. Also in some parts in the uk fire fighters get attacked

but might be pointless as they would not be able to keep a look out and concentrate on the victim. Best would be to have an extra guy in the ambolance with a gun providing security

>>30936722
i didnt "imply" anything, i am explicitly stating that police are not firefighters and should not be responding to raging fires with a fucking tiny first-aid extinguisher intended for use on an overheating vehicle

Even in germany ambulace complains about attacks.

>In the middle 6 attacks in a week in NRW.

>http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/panorama/angriffe-auf-rettungsdienste-wenn-helfer-zu-opfern-von-gewalt-werden-aid-1.5717001

I bet mostly non genuine germans.

Paramedics is Israel are armed because of the frequency with which they have to respond to terrorist attacks

>>30936774
but in israel before you can enter a supermarket a search taking place, israel is a fuckin warzone

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/10/us/georgia-firefighters-hostage/

>>30936656
>uniform for ID'ing
>helmet to protect against thrown stones and debris
>most effective weapon against crowds he can get
>mask to protect against the tear gas/ pepper spray foggers commonly used to pacify riots
>ties to restrain prisoners
I don't get it, the guard is perfectly kitted out for his job, nothing there is extraneous

Why all this butthurt towards EMTs these last few weeks?

I don't know if a gun is exactly choice but a taser or baton would sure be nice. Especially when some asshole is wanting to fight us.

>>30936868
no one is butthurt towards EMTs
except that one guy who tried to give "medical advice" as an EMT, but he deserved it

>>30936732
Except escort ISNT their job generally. At dallas, for example, there was IED threats. The area has to be secured before anyone can move in, and even a brick of playdough with loose wires, a belt of nails, and a calculator rigged up to it would stop most SWAT teams, because god forbid its the real deal.

Going back to a gunfight, you now are introducing extra people you have to watch. And if you are guarding them, you arent pursuing the bad guy. You've now increased the number of police you need on-site, which will lead to slowed response (due to the need to organize and supply the rescue).

>>30936868
>it's butthurt to say that EMTs shouldn't be slicing pies and clearing nightclubs and should focus on doing EMT things instead
wew lad

>>30936093
Police should just do some of the basic EMS/rescue work that fire does, like have a special unit on each beat to respond to medical emergencies that may be dangerous. It can help with public perception of police too.

Fire and medics are just too cucked to properly respond to certain situations. Often times they have to wait off scene until its code 4 and by that time the person is dead.

>>30936928
so EMT should go in areas where police don't?

>>30936955
EMTs and paras are shit at medicine already, and that's their area of training. Adding "EMT" to the police job description won't help, especially when the police are criminally undertrained as is.

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>>30936759
Holy shit you are an idiot

Please kill yourself

Also, fix your side of the street then come whine about ours, Europe is a violent, drug infested (yes some European countries have higher rates of heroin/cocaine addiction and use)

So fuck off cuck

>>30936143
Yep
>>30936545
/This

>>30936895
>>30936934
It's butthurt because we've had threads about EMTs every other day now

>>30936975
How do you figure? They can do more than nurses. Paramedics anyway.

>>30937026
Paramedics are very hit or miss. Shit ones have one move- put em on a stretcher and go to the hospital, even if that's not appropriate or they have everything requiring treatment in the truck. The shit ones are easily matched by the firefighters around me (when they remember to bring their damned IV kits, which is unfortunately not a given)
Good ones are still highly limited by equipment. May be decent at first aid, but I'd take a good RN over a good medic for anything that is not an open wound any day of the week.

>>30937011
Are you surprised that a board about weapons has a minor obsession with what to do about getting hurt?

I am not sure why EMTs would want to lug around a longarm. But, CC'ing a sidearm/back-up piece for self defense, why wouldn't you want to?

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>>30937241
Because you immediately shift from "person here only to help who shall first do no harm" to "person responding to you with a fucking gun"

>>30936093
Oooh, finally, a question I can answer as an EMT!

The entire idea is so that we, EMS, can get in and perform life saving interventions on critical patients before the scene is totally secured. As it currently stands, our protocols are to wait until police have secured the scene. That means shooter is neutralized, no risk to us entering. But, recent events have shown us very clearly that this isn't best practice.

We are -not- going to be carrying rifles or shotguns, but we are very likely to have vests and helmets added to our rigs for these situations. Many departments/agencies already have implemented this. They are also starting to move towards integrating a basic tactical EMS course into the EMT-B course, so that right out of the door EMTs can join Rescue Task Force teams.

We -may- see certain agencies arm EMTs with pistols in these events.

>>30936134
1) We're really not all that bogged down.
2) Because across the board, police and fire/ems recognize that if PD sees the shooter, they're going after them, not standing back to babysit us.

>>30936143
Many agencies allow this. But for people like me in the Democratic People's Republic of New Jersey, we can't, because we can't get carry permits.

>>30936414
We are learning and adapting to the very real outcome that EMS will -have- to enter the warm zone if lives are to be saved. Which means that we will, at the least, be wearing armor and helmets.

>>30936646
We don't want to be armed, as a profession. But we do want to save lives if we have the ability to. It's also important to remember that EMS is so different around the country, not just in education level but in protocols and even who runs 911 response (Private company, hospital, community, volunteer)

>>30936093

>Why do americans actually believe this?

Meanwhile in the EU paradise ambulances and firefighters refuse to go into certain zones because they get attacked.

>>30937309
It's literally not an EMT's job to arrest or kill suspects. The police should be handling it.

>>30937317

Who said anything about EMT's arresting anybody?

In the performance of their job they come under threat and you don't want to allow them to defend themselves. And that's why they don't want to do their job anymore, because people like you flooded their countries with the scum of the earth.

>police should be fighting fires and doing medic things while EMTs and firefighters should be getting into gun battles with people

what is wrong with you people

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>>30937317

Ahem.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3490047-155/utah-emt-testifies-of-shooting-driver

>>30937337
>In the performance of their job they come under threat
They shouldn't be coming under threat; that's what the police are for. If they're coming under threat, then up-arm and up-armor the cops who are supposed to be handling it, don't give people whose job it is to prevent loss of life a shotgun each.

>i-its self defens
What if EMTs just didn't get into gun battles in the first place? What if they had police escort to dangerous situations? When you call 911, police are supposed to be first on the scene anyway.

Dumbass who has no clue here. Are EMT's allowed to carry? I'd ask for firefighters too but their clothing is a lot more specific so it seems like they shouldn't be.

>>30937353
>be american
>get into car crash
>shoot the EMTs
great country you have there

>>30937317
>>30937348
We're not advocating that EMS get into firefights, jackasses. We're saying that not every agency is fortunate enough to have police at every 911 call, even medical, hell, most -don't-. And in the current political climate anyone wearing a uniform is subject to attacks.

Then toss in the several attacks on EMS in the past few years not related to this bullshit. All we're saying is that allowing agencies the choice to arm EMTs/Medics might POTENTIALLY save lives. Giving them access to self defense is the point here, not giving them license to roam the streets as vigilantes.

>>30937269
CC'ing = running around pointing a gun at everyone at all times?

>>30937380
>allowed
depends on the state but in general if a normal person can carry, so can an EMT.

What I'm talking about is explicitly issuing EMTs firearms with the express intent of having them get into gun battles with Bad Guys

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>>30937382
>be anywhere
>crazy people do crazy shit
>innocents get fucked up
thus is life

>>30937365
"Police are supposed to be first on scene anyway". That's not how it works in most of the country, especially in big cities. In most areas, EMS goes in alone, often times with "Respond to X Address for the unknown medical", calling for PD backup is an option, but not every area is fortunate enough to have PD on scene beforehand.

>>30937380
It depends on the state, the agency, and other factors. As a general rule, most EMTs do not carry.

>>30936185
>isn't aware that it has become so common place for fire fighters to respond ahead of the paramedics and handle the paramedic shit themselves unless there is an actual fire
>isn't aware of the concept of having emergency responders handle specific rolls and doubling up on those rolls when their primary function is not necessary
>thinks we need more cops with guns specifically to take paramedics around to handle mass shooting events when such events are so rare that the cost/benefit ratio for hiring a bunch of new police officers in the off chance that they will get utilized in the manner that you recommend is a ridiculous boondoggle

Seriously, there is a reason why you need to be 18+ to post here. A basic high school education is (generally) intended to make you smarter than the average 8 year old. Finish that up before posting, underage faggot.

>>30937389
>We're not advocating that EMS get into firefights, jackasses

uh
>Because there are only so many police available, and by the time the EMTs wait for more, people are dead.
>I could see EMTs, since they do occasionally have to pick up dead/on their way to dying gang members. In an area like that, there's multiple reasons to have a gun.
> In an active shooter or stabber situation (like the one in saaaayyyy FRANCE OR GERMANY OR AUSTRAILIA OR ENGLAND) it makes more sense for the EMTs to go in along with Police
>really for a riot situation. Just because the negroes are getting uppity doesn't mean you can let the entire block burn.
>A- there are only so many police who can respond and be moving on-site to location during a shooting, or at least in the few minutes you have until the gunman gets their kills in
>america is violent thos some ambulance driver refused to go in cos the family might attack her few years back in detriot. Also in some parts in the uk fire fighters get attacked
>Even in germany ambulace complains about attacks.
>Going back to a gunfight, you now are introducing extra people you have to watch. And if you are guarding them, you arent pursuing the bad guy. You've now increased the number of police you need on-site, which will lead to slowed response (due to the need to organize and supply the rescue).
>Meanwhile in the EU paradise ambulances and firefighters refuse to go into certain zones because they get attacked.
>Ahem. // http://www.sltrib.com/home/3490047-155/utah-emt-testifies-of-shooting-driver

sounds like the idea isn't to keep EMTs from getting shot in the first place, but to have EMTs go on the offensive along with police.

>>30936956
the idea is that the police are moving forward to take out the shooter. It is not their job to stabilize the shooter. It is their job to kill or physically isolate the shooter so that they can end the threat as soon as possible. EMTs are supposed to follow.

The problem is that in the event of, say, a bombing is that it is a common practice to set off one device to attract emergency personnel like EMTs and then to either set off a second, larger device or to ambush them and start shooting

>>30937440
It still sounds like you want EMTs to be the rear guard of assault teams, and not just mobile doctors.

>>30937365

It's like you have never been in a real situation where things don't go according to plan. If the cops can do all those things, why aren't they able to stop a guy smashing through a promenade in a truck?

There's theory and there's reality. In theory muslim immigrants were supposed to adapt to the Western way of thinking. In practise they're shooting at ambulances.

>>30937392
Ah okay. I guess it would make sense to have a rifle/shotgun in the actual vehicle as a backup, but I don't see much of a point in the actual EMT's being armed (outside of personal carry of course) when the majority of calls they go on they don't get into firefights.

>>30936739
Medics in the military carry weapons and are still required to treat and manage patients.

>1) Cops should clear up any trouble EMTs have before they even move in

In a perfect world, yes, cops clear the environment, but this is not perfect and dangers still exist because of the fluidity of violence and combat. Another problem with this which has been addressed is that it takes time, precious time, to clear an environment before you can work on a patient. Hell, at least give the EMS some plates/armor; especially if they are going into harms way (e.g. mass cal from a mass shooting.)

>2) EMT doesn't have time to worry about treating a patient and making sure said patient doesn't grab at his gun

Combat medics deal with this proficiently enough in a military environment. Take lessons from them. As a military medic you still have a gun with you and you may be treating a buddy in an altered mental status and he may try and grab your gun. If you are aware of this possibility you can avoid its outcome.

>3) EMT is supposed to treat people not shoot them
Of course but again, shit happens. If there is a danger to your patient or yourself you have the right to defend yourself. Last time I checked EMS doesn't take the Hippocratic oath, stop being a massive faggot.


I think the sad part is that criminal subhuman scum are willing to shoot EMS in the first place. There's a reason medics in the military no longer wear red cross and now carry weapons. People will shoot them even when it's against the "rules".

I am really against the militarization of Law Enforcement, Medical, and Firefighting staff I also see EMS w/ guns being one more complication added to a situation that would already have a ton of possibility fucking up. Also, I've seen some fat, out of shape EMS, give those bariatric fucks armor and a weapon and they might become a casualty themselves.

>Combat medic 8 years.

>>30937417
what you say has nothing to do with the thread wich is why arm EMS
Good job fucking cunt

>>30937427
You really are dense. The idea would be for EMS to be able to defend itself if they got attacked while police were off chasing a shooter/pinning a shooter down.

Furthermore, you are clearly unaware of how often EMS people get shot at by fucking niggers who get mad when EMS arrives to try to save the life on the nog in the other gang that those same niggers just tried to kill.

Remember Furgeson when the rioting nogs were burning the city down and people started to shoot at fire fighters and EMS? Yeah, that happened.

Sometimes the police are busy with other shit. It is not a bad idea to at bare minimum give EMS the ability to carry a sidearm if they so choose or to give them vests.

>>30936956
That is not at all what i meant. I am saying that sending an emt into an unsecure zone is extremely dangerous to the survivors, because if something happens to the medical responders the rescue's effectiveness will drop drastically. In addition, having police babysit them would slow response bcause now you need a whole extra police team to guard the EMTs, and although police can certainly walk a suspect from their car to a jail, guarding several people in a dynamic high-risk environment is a completely different ballpark.

Im not opposed to EMTs wearing a plate carrier and/or a helmet, but at the same time its worth noting that the extra protection could weigh them down and get in the way. Due to misidentification, the bad guy could even target emts MORE thinking that the guy in a plate carrier is a cop

>>30936093
Why do cops have a trauma and medical bag in their car? They dont use it. Thats the ems job lol

>>30937453
>rear guard
>with side arms

That isn't the idea you dense mother fucker. The idea is that if they came under attack while the police were otherwise engaged or unavailable that they would be able to defend themselves.

Not a single person here thinks that we should load up EMTs with level 4 ceramic plates, M4's, and full battle rattle along with their medical supplies.

But giving them vests and the option of a sidearm is not a bad idea. Better than being completely disarmed and vulnerable. The police are not bodyguards and they have very different jobs than EMS does. The police cannot be around to bodyguard EMS all day.

>>30937427
No, EMTs enter the Warm Zone, but knowing full well that if the shooter emerges, the PD is going to leave them to pursue, they would now have a means of defense.

In an MCI/Active Shooter there are 3 areas.

The Cold Zone - the traditional staging area of fire/ems, may be as far as a mile away, or as close as a few blocks over. It is a designated safe area where they are not at risk of being injured by the shooter/threat.

The Hot Zone - The area where the shooter is actively involved, this is where the police are going forward to operate in. This area is not safe.

The Warm Zone - An area near the active shooter, where victims are. This area is where EMS is now preparing to go. They are at risk, as the shooter may emerge, but they are not there to actively engage the shooter. Arming them would simply be a means of protection. They are -not- hunting down the shooter, they are treating patients and extricating them.

>>30937488
>incapable of reading between the lines

Wow, you are retarded. Arming EMS is not a bad idea specifically because the police cannot be assigned to protect them in every single scenario, and hiring a bunch of cops to be bodyguards for EMS would be ruinously expensive, as mentioned.

Do you really need to be spoon fed? Maybe your mommy can bring you some tendies, read comments aloud for you, and explain what the other person is saying, and why you're retarded.

>>30937456
>If the cops can do all those things, why aren't they able to stop a guy smashing through a promenade in a truck?
Trucks have a lot of mass?

Also, there should have been road barricades and chicanes set up for a big public event like that with lots of pedestrian movement. This time it was a LE TERRORIST but it could have just as easily been a drunk driver.

>>30937469
medics in the military are

in the military

>>30937540
>That isn't the idea you dense mother fucker.
it sounds like exactly what you are proposing should be the case -- cops and Good Guys clear the way, and EMTs rush in directly behind them with fucking guns drawn.

>>309374693

Combat medic =/= paramedic. You guys are way better equipped, and you guys are more or less expected to go into the shit. You are adding glocks or ar15s and plate carriers to the list of shit hospitals need to keep track of, and adding to the duties of (in many cases) comparatively poorly trained emts who are now being given gun training on top of medical training. This isnt fallujah, they have their job, police have theirs.

i agree they should have plate carriers, and maybe pepper spray, but i think expecting competent firearms training is a bit much when a lot of emt classes are a short course at a community college.


In a perfect world, i 100% agree with you, but in our world i think it just would muddy the waters more

>>30937571
but why police need to assigned to protect them in EVERY scenario
its a common thing in america that someone shoot at the EMS on a day to day basis?
and why they don't have bodyguard when a shooting happening at the first place

>>30937417
>rolls
>rolls
>rolls

>>30936093
>Why do americans actually believe this?

They don't.

>>30936093
>trigger happy Para's shooting at victims
oh america the land of free

Why are non-Americans even allowed to post on /k/, for fucks sake.

>>30937539
/THREAD

>>30936093
>ITT:yutopoors think that American medical professionals are going to start carrying guns

Stay retarded, Europe, and keep sucking that Arab cock.

>>30937649
It happens on occasion, but tbf in most circumstances the police will be there anyway.

Imagine a gang-shooting in chicago. The police will likely be there before the EMTs are.

Hiring bodyguards is more expensive than waiting a bit for cops to show up and secure the area

>>30937695
>why americans even allowed to post on a japan site for fucks sake

>>30936093
Some kind of armor (Level III soft armor or III+ plates) is absolutely warranted in a growing number of instances. My feelings on the sidearm are the same for EMT's and civilians alike: If the individual is comfortable with it, still able to accomplish their duties with it, and their locality allows it, then I believe they should have the option. For EMTs and Paras, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to requiring some kind of training to make sure they don't accidentally make more patients, but outright prohibition on the practice makes no more sense for EMS than it does for the average citizen.

>>30937649
>but why police need to assigned to protect them in EVERY scenario
no one said EVERY SCENARIO and even then, police should be on the scene anyway as first responders

>>30937732
we're not talking about using your normal cc and your own civilian cc licence, we're talking about specifically arming EMTs with issued weapons

>>30937739
this guy said it >>30937571

>>30936329
Cops have a knack for arriving on scene and opening a door or window which allows air to circulate and flashover to happen faster, thus the house burning faster than it would if the cop would have left it to the professionals. If I had a nickel for everytime a cop said to the chief or an line officer on scene, "I was just trying to help!" I'd be a millionaire.

>>30937713
>4chinz is japanese
nope, it just plagiarized the fuck out of 2chan. even if it's own by a jap now, the servers are atill in the US if I recall

>>30937761
>server location matters to the "nationality" of a website
shut the fuck up, chink, the big girls are talking

>>30937739
Ah, right, that's been mentioned a time or two hasn't it?

With respect to that, I understand why people may take issue with that, since EMS is institutionally a life-saving service, and arming them as an institution could serve to drive away a large number of volunteers, volunteers that are desperately needed in too many places. However, simply ALLOWING licensed CCers to carry on duty is very different. Same laws re: self defense would apply, they still wouldn't have any powers of arrest beyond a citizens arrest, but they would have the option.

Yurocuck EMT here. I currently serve in a rural area with no real criminal hotspots, but after doing my year of national service in a bigger city some time ago I'm not opposed to body armor or even CC guns anymore. We had a case of a kebab straight up murdering a rookie with a knife during an emergency, and if not for our driver knowing Krav Maga that poor sod wouldn't have been the only victim. That didn't get better with the "refugees" from what I've heard, and urban service posts are already being equipped with armored vests.

So, for cities with gang crime or drug hotspots, yeah, but Lower Millerstown with 12000 inhabitants in which Jane and Joe are related on several levels, not so much

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Why do EMT's for the most part have an inferiority complex? whats their problem?

>>30937802
so chinese moot=4chan is suddenly japanese overnight?
sure, it was by weebs for weebs but anyone who tells you western anime nerds are essentially japanese is probably a delusional weaboo themself.

>>30937824
>or even CC guns anymore
>or even
>even
>anymore

You didn't need to tell me you weren't American, Anon.

>>30937598

Point is for whichever reason the cops are not able to prevent everything. People should be allowed to defend themselves and that's it, stop pretending this is anything else.

>>30937417
I dunno, the average 15 yr old would know why the post you're responding to is stupid

>>30937868
>Point is for whichever reason the cops are not able to prevent everything.
Sounds like a police problem, not an EMT problem.


>hmm cops are bad at protecting people
>better give literally everyone else shotguns

why have cops at all at that point? Why not just have marine medics roam the streets capping whoever looks like a terrorist and tying tourniquets to Good Guys?

>>30937862

That is because you are inferior to everyone in the health sector, Paramedics, nurses, and of course doctors, you name it, they're better than those guys who just pick up and transport people to the clinic

>>30937892
I agree, why not?

I think they should be armed but only if they are without a doubt going to run into hostiles

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>>30937892

>>30936093
Firefighters and EMTs often encounter aggressive and armed people.

This guy knows >>30936182
>inner city

;)

>>30936093
because it's a common occurance for niggers and spics in the inner city to shoot at and kill firefighters and EMTs when they respond to calls.

>>30937892

So you don't want to let people defend themselves.

All you had to say.

>>30936093
>Why do americans actually believe this?

Because basketball americans and burrito americans are so violent they attack FD and rob/murder EMTs for their drugs.

>>30937382
>>30937353
He was probably a criminal.

If you're an outlaw in the USA you fucking shoot anyone in uniform.

Its shitty, but that's the way it is. Before the days of 3 strike laws, felons being branded and excluded, they were more likely to throw down their guns if they got cornered or in a fucked up situation.

Nowadays even a part time weed peddler knows their interests are better served shooting it out if only for the herd immunity it gives criminals when cops are scared to come around certain neighborhoods.

The game needs to change, criminals and gangs and mobs need to go back to remembering that they have a civic duty to take care of their hoods, and cops need to live and let live. If mobs keep putting dollars over lives the cops will keep coming, and if the cops keep coming the mobs will stop trying to keep it low key and we'll have war in our own cities.

>>30938007
So you send police escorts with firefighters and EMTs when they respond to calls that bring them into areas where they might get shot. That way you have people trained to deal with violent criminals and people trained to fight fires or take care of wounded people actually being able to focus on what they're supposed to be doing instead of trying to do someone else's job while doing their own.

>>30938050
>don't think it's appropriate to issue firearms to life-saving personnel
>"Y-YOU HATE FREEDOM DONT YOU"

Should there be shotguns on every crash cart in a hospital? Should they issue fancy metal-free polymer handguns like from X-Men to people who have to work with MRI machines?

>>30938133
Yes.

>>30938162
you are dumb as heck

>>30936162
I still don't get what this hot new reddit/Eurotrash meme is.

Was there a video of some college kid getting arrested where he yells it or something

>>30938133

Are the circumstances such that they need it? Then yes.

But you wouldn't want that because that would be against your sensitive world views.

>>30936494
Scrub maroon looks good in paramilitary cut.

>>30936093

>Why do americans actually believe this?

Most of us don't you fucking reject. A lot of us feel like Fire/EMS/EMT should be able to carry a pistol if they are licensed for concealed carry though, because sometimes they get jumped, beat up, robbed, or even killed by the very people they are trying to help, or by people that don't like the people that they're trying to help.

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>>30936093
Yeah, some unlucky EMT wanting to wear a concealable vest or maybe carry a gun when they're called to a shitty violent neighborhood is totally the same as going on the prowl in an ambulance while loaded for bear

Jesus Christ, Euros.

>>30936185
Nobody wants to be a cop because cops are less than human.

>>30936265
> Arming ever citizen won't help

Except it probably will.

>>30936143
This is a little off topic, but I'm an Animal Control Officer. Or was, I'm resigning soon.( this being one of many reasons) But anyways, I work at a PD, dispatched out from the PD, work right along side police officers. I deal with any call relating to animals. And let me tell you, people do crazy irrational shit when it comes to their animals.

Some calls got extremely sketchy. Especially when you start dealing with dog fighting or animal abuse cases. You're usually dealing with felons, by yourself, in the middle of bumblefuck on their turf. Driving around in a marked police vehicle in full uniform, but no vest, with nothing but a knife. Even though I have my CCL, I was NOT able to carry. It wasn't the department. In fact, my LT and supervisors all agreed I should be able to carry. It was the fucking town that wouldn't allow it. Liabilities and shit. They were more worried about getting sued than my safety.

If I had to kill any sick wildlife, I had to call another unit to come and shoot it. Was extremely frustrating.

>>30936093
because niggers

>>30936093
I honestly can't think of a reason a medic shouldn't be allowed to carry a small .380 or .38 special while on duty. Something pocket sized, that won't get in the way of them performing duties, but something Incase a crazy decided to go ape shit on them.

>>30938598
>Extremely frustrating

Damn, sounds like it dude.

I actually have a pretty good story about this. My dad was pgfd *Prince George's County walking distance from D.C.* after he got out of the Navy as a corpsman he got into the fire department in Prince George's County at the time you could still be an EMT or fireman not sure how it works today but that's how it was then. Our Story begins in a ghetto fucking town called Chapel Oaks. My dad got a call for an apartment fire. Now let me explain all the events that let up to the apartment building being on fire. Turns out there was a crackhead and crack heads girlfriend let's call them Jack and Jill. One day Jack came home and Jill wasn't there . Well Jack was suspicious of Jill cheating on him with a guy on the first floor of the apartment building *it was a 5 story building* so Jack goes down to the first floor to see if she was truly cheating on him. Turns out she was. So argument ensues Jack gets mad and being the crackhead that he was took out an Old 38 special and proceeded to shoot the guy who was banging Jill 3 times killing him. Then he shoots Jill only once. But she didn't die so he decided to tie her to the bed and light apartment on fire. After doing so he went back up to the fifth Story to his apartment and went to sleep. Fast forward whatever amount of time it took for the building to catch on fire that's when my dad comes into play. So they get to the scene and the first three stories on fire. So is my dad,one of his friends & another dude make their way up the building clearing rooms, they finally get to the fifth story everyone's gone except for one door still locked and it isn't a normal lock it's one of those dead bolts that go all four directions up down left and right. My dad his friend and other dude take turns kicking door my dad finally kicks in door. As soon as the doors kicked in my Dad's friend grabbed him by the shoulder and said let's go have some fun. My dad looks from his friend to where the door used to be leading into the apartment cont

>>30936093
Firefighters who are medics on a SWAT team cross train and are certified LEOs and Firefighter/EMS.

Its very common place.

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>>30936093
>hurr durr muh murrikun gun nuts taking guns everywhere

Stupid Euro. You don't understand just how much stupider, than you even, niggers are. Even if their house is burning down and their mother is dying of a heart attack, niggers will actively obstruct emergency response vehicles from entering their communities by throwing bricks, shooting, or stabbing them.

Examples:
http://www.firerescue1.com/communications-interoperability/articles/1216529-Audio-Detroit-firefighters-attacked-at-scene/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2016/03/08/detroit-medic-injured-attack/81509134/
http://www.firerescue1.com/firefighter-safety/articles/2163999-Baltimore-Fire-trucks-pelted-with-cinder-blocks-during-riots/
http://www.berkeleyside.com/2014/12/19/exclusive-man-died-after-berkeley-protests-delayed-help/

>>30936093
Because niggers shoot at them thing they're police.

No, seriously.

Part 2. As soon as my dad looks into the apartment there stands Jack with his 38. Boom my dad is shot in the shoulder, bullet hit him so hard he did a 180 and hit the ground *yea it was a 38 bla bla but this is the story* boom shoots again and misses... click click click that was his last shot and then my Dad's friend and other dude rush in and Tackle Jack the crackhead and proceed to beat the fuck out of jack as my dad starts crawling out the apartment. At this point smoke everywhere barely see a foot in front of your face all the typical firefighter story stuff. The battalion chief and my dads bestfriend at that station. This is his real name Joe Mother'shead yea talk about a fucked last name i know. Well Joe drags my dad down the steps and gets him out to the emts. Turns out the bullet hit the buckle that was on his Scott pack strap. So no entry wound but collarbone is broken and does need surgery. So the EMTs hook him up with some morphine and tell him to chill out on the stretcher for a minute. 20 minutes go by my dad starts saying stuff like take me to hospital you fucking assholes. EMTs ignore him another five minutes go by. He gets a call on the walkie talkie it's Joe he says to tell the EMTs to wheel him around to the east side of the building *which was still on fire*. Joe, my dad's friend and the other dude and jack the crackhead are on the roof. My dad says that they threw jack off the roof but the lawyer say he jumped . cont

Part 3. 6 hours later my dad still in the hospital. His friend comes in crying. My dad goes dude quit being a pussy what's wrong what's up why are you crying. Between tears his say man you saved my life by going in and 1st and talking a bullet for me. My dad lols and says yea i went in first you said lets go have some fun? His friend immediately stops crying and looks up at my dad and says no I didn't say let's go have some fun I said hey he has a gun. They both look at each other for a couple seconds and then begin to bust out laughing.
And this wasnt the first time hehead been shot at while with pgfd either.

It's like you've never seen a firefight before, OP.

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Niggers are dumb enough to think EMT Sirens and Ambulances are cops.

So they shoot at them.

Would you rather EMT's be shot, and the injured they are trying to stabilize die?

Or would you rather the EMT's have the means to shoot back and drive them off?

Have you always been this stupid? Or did you grow into it?

Hell even fucking Pizza Deliverers get shot at.

Go outside, read a book, stop watchign the news.

Goddamn.

>>30936656
>Soldier from early 2000's on the right
You know half of the shit on the left (the cop) was barely being issued to anyone?

>>30936093
> non american
> outside of /int/
back to the cuckshed, pajeet

StL faggot here.

During the Ferguson happening some Stl fire medics were rolling armed.


Nuggets were shooting at firetrucks

>>30937124
you realize RN know shit about cardiology and advanced air ways right

>>30940903
wouldn't trust a delivery crew with that shit anyways, 2bh.

>>30936134
If we have a situation, we back out and request law enforcement. Although, some SWAT teams have EMTs in the back just in case SHTF. I would like to CC on the job, but I am not sure how well that would go because you have some patients who are just too much.

>>30936093
>Why do americans actually believe this?
Because we have ghettos.

>>30936134
Are you fucking dumb?

>>30938966
Jesus fuck...

This makes me want to not go for a road trip through the USA.

>>30936185
Cops do have fire extinguishers you silly slut

>>30936484
>well it almost definitely wouldn't because terrorists do these things with the full intent of dying during it and tend not to go on shooting sprees in favor of bombings anyway

Worked just fine here: http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/hero-of-1993-church-attack-calls-for-being-armed/

>>30938966
Faith in Humanity -300

>>30942890
Just plan your route to avoid streets and areas named after civil rights activists, and avoid the great lakes entirely and you should be fine.

>>30940030
Another St.L faggot here. This is bullshit. If the situation was too dangerous for EMTs, EMTs wouldn't go out.

since your home is your territory which you have the right to defend, does it mean you can shoot any firefighter or emt who try to break into your home without your invite?

>>30943045
>niggers
>human

>>30938904
as someone currently living in PGC... yeah totally see this story happening. So many beggars/druggies. Not even homeless... just beggars.

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>>30938598
>Dog gets hit by car
>"Sorry Timmy, I don't have a gun to put him out of his misery"
>Toss Timmy an emergency parka
>"But how do I put this on?"
>"No need to worry Timmy, I've got the trusty Sledge-O-Matic!"
>"What are you doing Mister"
>Splorgch