Daily reminder that Shotguns are the only acceptable home defense

>>30933205
Good, my neighbors are assholes.

>>30933205
>implying I have neighbors

I will shoot .45 ACP, 7.62x39, or 7.62x54R if I want to.

>implying I want to blow both my eardrums out and live with EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30933225
Then enjoy your manslaughter charge, faggot.

Be responsible or fuck yourself with whatever high caliber dick extension you have and pull the trigger with your toes.

>>30933205
9mm HP will travel through two double stacks of drywall and siding? nah

>>30933205
This is bait and you're retarded. Rifles, shotguns and pistols all have valid uses for HD and should be applied accordingly.

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>>30933243
>high caliber dick extension
Yes, cuz .223 is SUPER HIGH CALIBER.
Like banned by the Geneva convention or some shit...

>>30933293
We actually had to train with the m9 for through the wall shots when we had an idea where a lone shooter would be and no hostages were involved. Cool to see the research behind why we would sling the m4

>>30933270
Agreed especially when household occupants come in different sizes, shooting ability, and recoil tolerance.

>>30933205
Only if your walls are made of shitty drywall and not actual brick and mortar.

>>30933205
00 buck and #4 shot will penetrate walls worse than a .223 tho

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When will this meme die?

>>30933205
>kill sleeping neighbors.
Implying everyone in the world lives in a shithole apartment.

My house is 22" thick brick.
My nearest neighbor is 2 miles away.

>>30933205
>shoot through your walls

Why do you burgers have houses made of cardboard? Why not be like Yurop or Asia and have 2 layers of bricks.

>>30933205
Be sure it's loaded with birdshot too, to ensure that anybody you shoot with it gets reeeeeeeally pissed off

>>30933205
American houses have sheetrock and wooden walls
European houses have brick and concrete walls.
I'm not worried.

>>30933205
>>30933243

00 buck penetrates more walls than 5.56

Handguns are better in a small space.

Shotguns are good, but not the only acceptable option.

>>30935968

European houses are also in Europe.

>>30936019
Some europeans do own guns

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>>30936040
Yes,we are found in the US.

>Source: Fromer English Citizen in the US.

>>30933243
shut the fuck up you dumb stupid retard fuck head idiot

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>>30933293
>Speer 115 grain
>Somebody missed a wall with a 9mm

>>30933205
http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-3-the-shotgun-meets-the-box-o-truth/

If it's got the capacity to kill, it'll go through drywall like butter.

Sounds like 9mm or less handgun is best for home defense.

If you want ultimate defend against invading gang of zombies, an assault rifle is next best

>>30933205
Buckshot/slugs are going to go through walls too. The reason why shotguns are amazing for home defense is because of how obnoxiously dead they make intruders. Buckshot + close range = obliteration.

>>30933240
People always say this, but why not buy some nice ear pro and keep it right next to your home defense gun. Like the kind that allow normal ranges of sound through, but deafen loud sounds.

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>>30933205
Totally disregarding the fact that this is bait. I know I for one use proper ammunition for my home defense weapons. Shotguns are fine but the individual with the rifle always wins. Try to looking into some good ammunition and you won't have problems with killing your neighbors and children because of over penetration

>>30936231

thats just one more thing you gotta do before you're ready to shoot people tho

>>30935945
Because our houses weren't built in the 1600s?

It's insulation, beams and drywall. Works perfectly fine at what it's supposed to do, but stopping bullets... not so much.

We also have this fancy stuff called "air conditioning," but I won't get into that.

>>30935945

modern houses are built smartly, which means lightweight materials. Its not feaseable to make every house out of solid wood and stone.

>>30933240
shooting a shotgun once or twice should not do permanent damage.

>I have shitty target recognition and shot placement: the post

Quit projecting.

>>30936992
>I'm new and I think shotguns have a lot of spread inside 10 yards; the post

>>30937024
>I didn't understand what he meant but I will copy his post format to mock his legitimate argument: the post

I live alone in a concrete block house. Shooting through a wall or two is a benefit to me and the block will stop it before it leaves the house. It's also a good deal easier for me to clear the house with a USP and a flashlight than it is with even my 7 inch AR and a weapon light.

>>30937058
Your post said

>I have shitty target recognition and shot placement: the post

This implies that aiming is not required with a shotgun, which is retarded. You have no "legitimate argument", besides the idea that somehow knocking someone on their ass in one or two shots is a bad thing.

>>30933225
Fpbp.

>>30937119
>Rifles and handguns are only going to shoot through your walls and kill your sleeping neighbors.

Im-fucking-plying I am going to miss. Dear god I hope you are not this retarded off the internet

>>30936077
100% scientifically proven fact, he could not hit the broad side of a barn. Also, did he only have 2 rounds for the test? Could he not just shoot again and pretend it never happened?

>>30933243
>Being this emotionally invested in a complete anonymous stranger on the internet.
Wew lad, it was facetious anyways.

>>30936258
>won't have problems with killing your neighbors
>problems with killing your neighbors
>problems

Implying this is automatically a problem.

>>30933243
Can confirm that 45acp fmj can pierce a steel drum like it ain't nuffin. Still not stopping me from using JHP for home defense. Suck every herpes sore crusted dick ever faggot

>>30935945
My house is made entirely out of logs and stone, and I still worry about overpenetration.

>>30937143
So your "legit argument" is that you're an Innernet badass. Nice

I'm not the one who said that. However if you weren't an ignorant dipshit you'd probably know that even bullseye shooters could miss in a defensive situation, if you factor in not only the hugely stressful situation, but also that your target is not a stationary paper silhouette.

>inb4 you reply with some Internet Tough Guy "I have no fear and I'm a muhreen" response

You should also know that a good defensive buckshot load will still penetrate through dry wall no problem. I'd still take it over a jacketed projectile because I'm not a moron. In the event of overpenetration or a miss, lead ball projectiles will lose their energy more quickly

>>30937319
>Daily reminder that Shotguns are the only acceptable home defense weapon.

No

>Rifles and handguns are only going to shoot through your walls and kill your sleeping neighbors.

No.

What are you on about?

My neighbor is a 40 something unemployed junkie who lives with his mother. If he dies I do the her a favor, if she dies I do her a favor.

>>30936730
How long could it take to put a ear pro on? You act as if you're only gonna become aware of the home intruder the second he's breathing on your face.

>>30937415
>still thinks I'm OP
>still thinks I agree with him on those two statements
>genuinely believes the stress of a firefight/deadly situation will not affect his accuracy in any way, no matter how it happens

>>30933293
.45 ACP stronk

>>30937179
HA!

>>30937493
Now I'm curious what my .45 Supers would do. I've had them loaded since a camping trip and keep forgetting to swap them back to +Ps.

>>30937795
Penetrate all three walls and the tree behind them.

>>30937823
Someone needs to get to testing these things. I just know it's a .45 going the speed of a 9mm, but I've never seen a gel test, or even some good household items getting hit. Just one shit video of a frying pan.

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Lookin to get a shotgun for home defense, I agree they are best for it. Local shop sells this guy for 479.99, rip off or decent deal?

>>30938169
Total rip

>>30938255
Better suggestions sir please

>>30933205
lol this retard thinks 223 penetrates walls more than buckshot or is a retard who thinks bird shot is okay

>>30938279
not him but Maverick 88 security is a very good value

Does the 590A1 come with a 3.5'' chamber?

>>30938624
no. It's heavy enough as it is, it doesn't need more chamber support and a longer action only to safely handle 3.5" shells (it probably could anyway, tanks are like the nokia phones of pump shotguns)

>>30938657
I want to get something that I can shoot AP slugs out of

>>30933205
I have a tranny across the street, niggers on either side of them, a gook on my left, and an old Irish woman on my right. Why should I care if I hit any of them?

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>being a manlet and having to aim upwards at a home invader because you're only 6'1"
>not being 6'9" master race and knowing whatever shots you take at close range will be stopped by dirt in 10 yards

>>30938677
but why the 590A1?

>>30933243
Why are nogunz so penis-fixated?

>>30938771
overbuilt barrel

>>30936048
Bong here, I've always wanted to move away from airstrip one and have rights, how easy was it for you to move?

>>30935945
Dunno about you but PR is made of brick, cement, motar and cinderblocks

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>>30933243

>.223
>High caliber

>>30935688
Neat. I wanna see what 7.62x25 does.

Does anyone have any documented accounts of "over-penetration" causing a death of an innocent?

>>30933205
>he thinks 00 buck or lord forbid, 1oz slugs would not punch through modern house walls.
>"nah use birdshot bro!"

>>30938683
But is the tranny passable?

>>30939469
This is why I like #4 buckshot.

People keep saying ".25 ACP is not impressive but I wouldn't want one coming my way"

How about 27 of them? or 41?

>>30933205
This wouldn't be a problem if you ameritards didn't make your houses out of toilet paper.

>>30938683
If you have a 10mm Delta Elite, you'll hit all of them in one shot.

Daily reminder that under high stress, you have a high likelihood of short shucking a pump-action shotgun.

Daily reminder that shotguns are low capacity.

Daily reminder that shotguns have savage recoil and blast.

Daily reminder that there is no "spread" at normal interior house ranges.

DAILY REMINDER THAT SHOTGUNS ARE A SHIT CHOICE FOR HOME DEFENSE.

>>30939567
>short chucking
doesn't happen with a shotgun worth a shit and someone who knows how to use it

>no spread
That's a good thing, you want all pellets to hit

>everything else
irrelevant when one shot is enough to liquefy someone's vital organs or literally destroy their face

>>30939500
I like #1. It creates a larger wound tract than 00 while still penetrating plenty. I feel kind of iffy about #4's ability to go deep if I have to take out an interior wall.

>>30939618
>short shucking doesn't happen
keep telling yourself that
>no spread it a good thing
why not just use an AR that has a 30 round mag and can be rapid fired then?
>everything else irrelevant
Sure, dick. A long gun is a disadvantage in small house or apartment with tight corners. Low capacity is also not irrelevant. Against possibly 3 or more home invaders, I want more than 6-9 shells. KEK

>>30939650
>keep telling yourself that
Point is, you should become proficient regardless of what you choose for defensive purposes. Also, semi-auto shotguns
>why not use AR
Because the 5.56 generally uses a Spitzer projectile with a copper jacket, any shot that misses or overpenetrates will not be stopped easily by drywall. If you live in a rural area that's not too bad however
>A long gun is a disadvantage in small house or apartment with tight corners
You shouldn't be moving around a whole lot if an intruder is in your house. Clearing a house alone is terribly unsafe

>>30939650
Stopping power is bullshit but you'll be hard pressed to find someone who needed multiple buckshot hits

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>>30939916
>Stopping power is bullshit

Not when you compare handguns to long guns. People usually say that in "9mm vs .45" threads, because there's little to no appreciable difference between the two.

>>30939785
>5.56 generally uses a Spitzer projectile with a copper jacket

Take a look at Hornady's TAP Urban loads. They are meant for engagements in an urban environment and designed to fragment or pancake depending on which weight you choose to prevent over penetration.

>>30938696
Yep you're a fucking manlet if you can't shoot down at your target from 45 degree angle.

>>30933205
I could live without my neighbors desu.

>>30933243
Boy oh boy you're a fag

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You want the Shotgun, the Spirit Gun will blast clean through a suburb.

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>>30941441
nice, I forgot about that scene

I haven't watched that since I was little on toonami

>>30936887
Are you dense? Extreme loud noises once will cause damage.

>>30935968
And you're not allowed to own a gun...