Us Navy swapping out Type 1 NWUs "blueberries" for

It's vertical AOR, which is basically greener MARPAT, which was basically browner CADPAT.

Its a woodland digital camo. It works. Actual differences in effectiveness between various patterns in this family are negligible in practical use and most just an academic debate online.

>>30901582
I hope USAF will change soon. Tired of these ABUs

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>>30901582
>yfw they wear this in the desert instead of issuing NWU2.
>yfw you want desert marpat but don't want some faggot EGA in the pattern, your only hope being increased production of NWU2

>>30901603
USAF should just go full multicam/W2, since it's what you guys wear on deployment anyway.

>>30901614
Is NWU2 still "muh SEALS only" pattern"?

>>30901603
Agreed, holding off on picking up lowa zephyrs in coyote until they figure this uniform shit out. At least I'm wearing multicam whole expeditionary.

>>30901619
Seems that way. Never seen in in real life, just trumped up ebay listings.

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Why can't we just bring back tiger stripe???

>>30901582
The seals will have to get a new pattern now that it's not exclusive.

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>>30901639
Absolutely disgusting

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>>30901641
Kek

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>>30901603
>>30901615
>>30901622
I'm holding off buying some stuff as well because I feel the change is coming soon.

Personally I wish we just went to a Solid OD green uniform with velcro areas for patches. It grinds my gears that flyers are the only ones able to have unit pride. The rest of us just get to look like scrubs. Realistically the best we can hope for is the Army's Scorpion pattern but without the stupid center rank and silly ACU design.

To be honest I'm surprised the Joint Chiefs have been able to defy that single camouflage bill they passed a while back

>>30901677
Those boots are fucked.
Yeah if we could just have a solid green, and a solid tan/desert two piece flight suit/solid color ACU cut with minimal pockets I'd be happy as hell.

The current OCP ACU uniform sizing is super fucky, long as fuck sleeves and legs. I roll my sleeves twice under to get the same sleeve length as one roll in ABUs.

>>30901696
Also there's way too much fabric. I'm about to cut out all my inner pockets and sew in mesh pocket liners instead. A little ventilation and if you've looked at a pair of the OCP pants inside out you'll wonder why there's so much pocket fabric. Doubled up knee area makes sense somewhat, not so much the elbows.

Against all advice im probably going to slightly tailor my uniform to actually fit a human body, not pvt knuckledragger.

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>>30901696
I seriously hate the ACU cut. I wore them for a bit as well and they are huge and shapeless. They make everyone look like a strangely colored duffel bag. The ABUs aren't much better. I don't know how they managed to screw it up, but the legs and sleeves are much larger and need to be tailored to look non retarded.

The center rank is just lame in my opinion. I don't know why its become so popular. I do like the marine cut of uniform. They deleted the bottom pockets on the blouse and still use collar insignia.

>>30901714
I tailor my uniforms, but I don't go out in the field much or at all. If you're in the army I would try to get my hands on some of the Nomex Pilot ACUs or whatever the new pattern is called. Nomex is comfy as fuck.

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>>30901731 #
Honestly unless EVERYONE uses collar insignia it fucking sucks.I just want insignia that tells me if I need to even acknowledge this persons existence. Why am I trying to figure out if you're a fucking specialist or lt col for so ducking long.

I'm not near a marine base or I'd pick up some surplus marpat pants for hunting. They definitely have a better fitting uniform. It's such a ridiculous situation that the army spent so much on uniform development and didn't get it figured out and the Marines went from BDUs straight to marpat on the cheap. If they weren't such cocky fuckers I'd be proud of them.

>>30901745
We should all be in nomex, holds the pattern better from what I've seen and I agree it's more comfy. Cotton would be fine if we werent covered in a million layers and sweating dick.

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>>30901745
And nah I'm AF but I get to wear some cool guy stuff (for AF standard). I am trying to get one of our flyers to sell me one of his sets. Way nicer.

>>30901582
As a current military member I though the Navy had the best uniform and blues out of every branch, mine included. Sad to see it go.

>>30901582
Goddamnit, Navy! Just embrace it and get the fabulous pink uniforms already.

>>30901588
>4chan
>academic debate
Wew lad

>>30901936
my sidearms

>>30901627
>tfw every listing is either chinkshit at 200% markup, or already bid up by airshitters

Saw a guy the other day at the store wearing some form of digital camo I didn't recognize. Was somewhere between woodland and desert in colors, but I can't for the life of me now remember the shades. His boots were a darker brown than the usual light tan that I see issued. And for the sake of argument, I only saw his left side and back, but noticed no patches of any sort. Was it possible this was just some stolen valor prick with a generic "made in china" camo? I should have grabbed a picture because now it's bugging me for no reason.

>>30902320
Might have been Italian.

>>30902320
>no patches
>stolen valor

>>30901603

I asked Sec James at one of her base visits and she said they won't even address the issue until the ABU hits ten years (2020,because in her opinion the ABU is very young in it's service life) and then they'll look at it. She did say whatever uniform is next will definitely have enlisted stripes on the sleeves...just to keep us different and becasue of our "heritage" :(

>>30902347
Well he was picking up a prescription, and I don't know if the military is given any sort of discount on those. Only reason I see someone going out in uniform like that is either for attention, or they're legit. But it's SW PA, and I only see airmen from the 911th and 171st air wings, and the occasional soldier from the army but wearing UCP which this wasn't. And it wasn't any form of marpat because it had more color than desert, but was lighter browns and greens than the woodland. I've never seen navy around regularly, but when they are on rare occasions it's that dark blue camo. Just figured he was trying to get a discount on something.

>>30902401
Or he could've been out hunting...

>>30902362
>her

Well there you go.

>>30902415
If it was in a different part of the area I'd say maybe, but it'd be all fudds wearing real tree or mossy oak. This area has the occasional fudd, but they still stick with their usual hunting camos, and don't go full autismo matching uniforms and boots. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell pattern (if even real) it was.

>>30902362
Cool for asking. I dislike the ABU, but so be it. I have a lot of respect for Debra James. However the next secretary of the Air Force may feel different. I also do not mind NCO sleeve stripes. They look cool IMO and are in fact part of our heritage.

>>30902320
>>30902401
Stolen valor is wearing patches of an organization you're not a part of. Its not stolen valor if you wear military gear.

>>30902454
I was under the impression it was feigning service to obtain things (discounts, free shit, etc.)

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>>30902362
I also want that heritage coat. The one fucking good idea they had.

>>30901677
>Bdu cut w2
Yes please.

Shit the Air Force guys I saw overseas and had bad ass scorpians on that seemed way nicer than our utter Army Shite.

Plus you guys were walking around with fucking baseball caps on.

>>30902510
>tfw you will never dress like you work on the death star

why do we even bother with camoflage anymore?

>>30902510

Imagine some fatass MSgt or Lt Col with that uniform on...sweet baby Jesus.

Does look sweet though.

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>>30901582
>US Navy presents "I Can't Believe It's Not MARPAT!"

I still can't believe copyright law and the Marines managed to fuck with the US Military this much for so long.

>>30902642
Probably JTACs. Worked with some and they had all Crye, Eagle PCs, and MR rucks.

The normal USAF guys wore either ABU or multicam.

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>>30901603
AF really should switch to thishttp://soldiersystems.net/2015/07/07/afsoc-testing-all-terrain-tiger-camo/ . Complements the notMulticam like the AOR being similar to MARPAT.

>>30901745
>>30901784
Nomex is not comfy
In the summer, it doesn't breath, and gets way too hot. In the winter it acts like it's not even there.
It's miserable for the most part of the year. The only thing they are good for, is to keep you from catching on fire for about 5 seconds.
In the hot climate, I get away with wearing vintage surplus cotton flight suits. Much much better.

>>30901582
Jesus Christ, I thought gays were supposed to care about fashion and looking good

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>>30901622
I have a pair of Lowa Zephyrs in Sage, can confirm they are god-tier. You'll have to deal with all the haters though

>those boots looks so ugly
>waaah, my feet hurt and my shitty Nikes are literally falling apart

>>30902995
I don't give a single god damn about what people think about my footwear. It's going to be functional and comfy and if it checks those boxes and checks them well I'll be happy to low blouse my uniform over them.

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navy+ airfarts should go solid blue

>>30902514
Back to containment, no gunz neverserved.

>>30901582
Not kryptek. Its a shit.

>>30901582
Fuck that, I liked the blueberries.

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>TFW we'll never go back to the golden year of desert camos.

>>30901619
I have a NWU Type II raincoat, They're good af. Got it from a friend

>>30902642
>literally me right now
Haha yeah its comfy AF, these baseball caps are legit. Local guidance authorizes mid arm sleeve roll and no leadership around means I can just roll around no blouse whenever possible. With no blouse there's rank either so nobody is sure who they want to call out, if they did want to.

>>30901582
Is the Coast Guard getting NWU type IIIs as well??

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>>30905281
Sad day, chocolate chip and 3 color are still better than the ship I'm issued out here.

>>30905326
>3 color
in syria US supported rebels wear it

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MARPAT is fucking ugly. UCP was ugly. OCP is alright but still not that great looking. What the fuck is the DOD thinking?

>>30905813
Probably more concerned with effectiveness over being fashionable, faggot :^)

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>we'll never go back to the two sided frogskin

>>30905843
>M81 wasn't effective
>Three-color wasn't effective

so wasteful. get one pattern per terrain type and make all the branches use it

>>30906406
Take your common sense and get the fuck out of here! This is the military we are talking about!

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>>30905873
Three-point was ugly as fuck. Desert MARPAT looks a lot fucking better and works a lot better too.

>>30901944
>4chan
>only site for discussion on internet
kys my man

>>30909812
>three color
>ugly

Kill yourself

Did I miss something? Since when were the aquaflage uniforms referred to as blueberries? Blueberries are the old dungarees.

>>30902362
Not a fan of James but I'm definitely in favor of keeping sleeve rank. Part of what makes us different, and it's much easier to read rank from a distance when it's not just a tiny 1x1 patch on the front.

>>30902362
>dissing sleeve stripes
Its the only good thing about the uniforms

>>30901615
>>30901603
already swapped to multicams over here
other units on base are waiting on unit patches to change

>>30910293
>>30910193
This, just let us toss some velcro stripes on the new scorpions and call that shit good. Flag on one side and the other flag area can be a morale patch/unit patch. Change our undershirts shirts to a brown or green and boots to coyote. Authorize the baseball caps while garrison and get rid of any/all wording regarding creasing, dry cleaning or anything besides wash and wear.

>>30905251
no solid grey to match their vehicles. maybe solid green, or solid FDE if in desert, or temperate zone.

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>>30902709
You, like everyone else is confuseing this uniform with the Billy Mitchell heritage coat.

The previous uniform looks nothing like a sci-fi death star uniform. Its basically the old army WWII jacket in solid blue.

>>30901582
Yeah, are they gonna refund me $400 in new uniforms?

Fucking keep it no fucks will be given by me. I'm wearing blueberries until the last day.

>>30902875
I have a boonie in that pattern and love it. It's perfect for spot and stalk hunting in central/south Texas.

How many years until it's reviewed as a pattern for combat uniforms? I know nothing of military apparel and how it's chosen.

>>30909812
You are dumb and also stupid

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Have you guys seen the Ike Jacket?

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>>30913201

It basically screams "oldschool cop".

>>30901582
Why doesn't the US use a single camo pattern for all of its forces?

>>30913243
The fucking jarheads.

Seriously we did but the Marines decided we should take advantages of advancements in camo development/they weren't being treated special enough by having to wear the same uniform as everyone else. They recolored CADPAT to make the MARPAT camos. Things went full retard from there but that's a story for later.

>>30912061
>I know nothing of military apparel and how it's chosen.
Throw a bunch of money at a general and congress until it's approved.

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>>30913243
We used to. I think it mostly boils down to the marines switching first and everyone else scrambling to look "distinctive" and cool in order to get recruits and satisfy egos. Once the marines showed it was acceptable to break ranks in uniform, everyone else jumped in too.

Nearly every service member I've spoken with has agreed that we should all share the same uniform. Its an issue at the top it seems.

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>>30913201
I'd probably buy one if USAF adopted a similar jacket. Then I'd probably never wear it because we never wear blues and I would never hear the end of it just like the Fedora level Bus driver cap I own.

People wear the windbreaker pretty much like an Ike jacket already, in order to dress up the shirtsleeve uniform.

>>30901614
>Navy
>desert
For that matter,
>Navy post WW1
>needing or desiring to be camouflaged
Meanwhile the closest thing the Navy has to ground forces, the Seabees, are *still* rockin along in 3 color desert.

>>30913201
They always pick the worst person to model new uniforms.

>>30901784
So glad that as Army my rank vocabulary basically boiled down to "fuckface/sar'nt/top/chief/sir" because fucking black blobs in the center of someone's chest.
>tfw Benning
>tfw routinely mistook LTs and Majors for PV1 because mustard colored rank on red clay stained ACUs
At least it was a known issue and nobody got booty blasted about it.

>>30913422
Except Seabees are still wearing 3 color desert?

I nean, I work like 5 miles from a Seabee unit, I could go take pics of them in 3 color desert today.

>>30913367
Well I mean it's on a coast so it makes sense that the navy is here.
>>30913409
I just don't wear uniform except to walk to work, and then I just avoid everyone. Not even going to look for rank in a joint services base. Even worse when you don't notice they're a brit while looking for rank.

>>30912041
Actually they are you mongoloid.

>>30901731
>>30901677
Ausfag here, why don't you like center rank?
It's the only thing I've ever known.

>>30901619
>Unit specific camo.
Aren't the SEALS meant to be a covert unit - ie. wouldn't this identify them as particular combatants to a trained enemy?

>>30913645
But then how would they stand out from the pleb troops in the next movie about one of their failed missions?

So happy for the guys who wear the Type I's, they are gonna love the III's.
Although I don't get why the brown boots are CO discretion. Maybe just so Chiefs can keep enforcing boot shining?

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>>30901745
This guy is correct. A2CUs (Army Aircrew Combat Uniform) are amazing.

>>30901784
The A2CU doesn't hold its camo for shit. We just get to DX them every 6 months or when they're fucked.

>>30902934
Flight suits are super breathable and light.

>>30901619
The Seabees get Type II's when deploying to desert regions.

>>30913367
The Seabees have been wearing type II's and III's for *at least* the 4 years that I've been with them.

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USN should just go back to these. Its not like camo uniforms are useful for 99% of naval servicemen.

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Idk bout other branches, but I'm hoping Army stays with OCPs as long as I'm in. Closest you can get to BDUs and serves a more functional purpose.

>>30913645
I think it looks dorky and is simply change for the sake of change. If someone is turned even slightly then Chest insignia is difficult to determine. Collar rank is closer to the face and difficult to obscure. Mostly I just think its tradition and looks better.

>>30914646
>Flight suits are super breathable and light.

The ones I was issued were left over from the cold war. I'm assuming they have new ones that aren't total shit.

>>30902320
No patches, not stolen Valor. Simple. Prolly just some gearqueer on his way back from shooting is 600$ ar with a 50$ red dot on it.

>>30913285
Same uniform would make it harder to distinguish different branch members from a distance. I agree it should all be similar but not the same. I was cool when everyone went digicam. It was all somewhat similar (except for the blueberries ofc) but distinct enough that you could immediately tell the difference.

>>30917905
I agree. The very concept of the blueberries are retarded. If digicam works so well why the hell would they make it blue for standard service use? Assuming someone were to fall overboard wearing that shit, that person is fucked if Noone hears his ass yelling. Make it gray to match the fucking ships.

>>30901639
I'd rather wear a poor repro tigerstripe that that digital pile of shit.

>>30901582
WHY WOULD YOU NEED CAMO ON A FUCKING SHIP

>>30922338
If they just recolored ABU camo it would be effective. It's based on John Wayne tiger stripe.

>>30922472
In case the sharks attack

>>30920464
I accept that, but I personally think that centre rank looks better.

>>30922472
On ships, sailors wear coveralls. This is for shore duty (which there is a lot of).

>>30919492
I think it'd be best for everyone to move to OCP. Go back to one single camoflage uniform for everyone.

>>30922723
Probably impossible in a non-conscript military. People join voluntarily and want to feel special. And Marines want their circle jerk of superiority.

>>30922706
I mean his point still stands in a way. Blue camo is retarded unless you're on an alien planet. It's pointless which is true of a lot of military custom but it doesn't even look good.
The current US combat uniform looks fine but everything else is just a a pathetic attempt at being difference from the 20th century for no reason and will probably be remembered as such.

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3col / UCP

new trend

>>30922316
Anybody remember that press release for the MARPAT uniforms that quoted some USMC officer as saying the enemy would know they're Marines and see them coming from a mile away. Pretty kek worthy.

>>30923797
3 color and woodland look very sexy together.