I'm going to be buying my first gun tomorrow, but I want

buying a really nice gun? Fine.
buying a Mk 23? Stop now.

Too fucking big mang. Unless you want to LARP as Solid Snake just get a regular sized usp or something.

>>30741049
As a first gun, it'll last almost forever and eat all .45 ACP (unless you're unlucky), so if you want a tank of a handgun that will last probably most of your life (most bc plastic frame), go for it.
But i'd honestly go for a USP .45 if you want something similar but not as ass-blastingly expensive (well, not by much but still) and much, much smaller.

>>30741049
Good first gun? Probably, it comes with a lifetime warranty to the original purchaser, so make damn sure you keep your fuckin original receipt.

Practical first gun? The thing is as big as a standard magazine, so if its limited to rangetime and just HD, then sure, it will fit the bill just fine. Just keep in mind the lightrail will need an adapter unless you plan on buying a LAM, which is usually around the same cost as the new gun.

Just make sure you like how it fits and feels in your hand. Ask the gunstore if you can put a snapcap in it and mess around with it a bit, and see if you can even get your finger on the DA trigger and pull it without the gun wobbling or you having to reposition your finger mid-pull.

>>30741049
Get a USP tactical in 45. Make the poorfags jelly.

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>>30741049
Don't listen to the MUH PRACTICAL probable glock fanboy poorfag naysayers. Get whatever you want and rock it with confidence, whether it's conceal carrying an MK23, a Desert Eagle, a C96, a Beretta 92fs, or a Glock.

However as >>30741389 said you should make sure you like how it feels to hold and use first so you don't fuck up by getting something cool in theory but uncomfortable in practice.

"Buy once, cry once" is a good motto. I can't tell you how many handguns I have bought, owned briefly, and sold, only to end up with two USPs and a Glock 20 as my only centerfire service pistols.

The Mark 23 is a very specific category of gun, though. It's a size that's borderline impractical for a lot of uses. It's well made, but to get a gun this well made, you don't need to spend $1700. Save yourself literally $1000 and get a regular USP. I posted this in another thread, and I promise I'm not affiliated with this seller, but you can get a brand new 9mm USP for about $750 shipped now. http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571112328 If you look on slickguns, you can find them in the $775 range pretty regularly, sometimes below that.

>>30741049
Fucking do it
In the next couple of decades the Mk23 will probably become pretty rare and it'll be pretty valuable as a collector's pistol while still being fun to shoot and reliable

>>30741049
Buy once, cry once.

Yeah you might be the "guy who has a balls-expensive gun with no clue how to use it" for a while. But you will git gud with practice, and your gun will stay awesome.

Just get a H&K USP .45 and get ready to blow a ton of money getting good at shot placement with .45 from 100% nogunz start.

Get federal HST rounds for self defense.

I got an HK45 v3 instead of the mark23.
Felt way better to me for half the price.

>>30741249
>>30741410
This

The USP .45 is just as good but way cheaper and fits in your hands better unless you are Shaq or something

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>>30741786
>you can get a brand new 9mm USP for about $750 shipped now.

Yeah i bought one from buds a few months back for like 760 and i fucking love it.

>>30741786
This seems extremely cheap for a gun made by HK. Why's it at this price point?

>>30741049
bro fuck what anyone says those guns are badass my dad has 3 and they are all indesctructable there is a reason the seals use them plus its HK so you know its quality anyway super accurate easy to shoot and you can buy a supressor for it plus that decocker is badasss so yah just roll with it bro you never get a chance to buy another first gun this si the way to go

>>30742134
because people have stop listening to the hk meme

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As a first I would recommend a USP45 over an MK23. You can always get an MK23 later. I would recommend a 9mm anything over a 45 for first handgun, but if you are dead set on 45 then have at it.

>>30742134
Demand is starting to increase, is the main reason.

>>30742134
>$760
>cheap
>>30741049
>Is this completely overkill for my first?
yes
if you're going to a beginners handgun class with a MK23, you'll either be laughed at or hated.

buy a 9mm and git gud
glock 19, USP9c, CZ75, P226 are all good beginner pistols

Is a USP 45 the best .45 out there? Excluding minor personal gripes or preferences, I have never held/fired a better one

>>30742341
>>$760
>>cheap

It is when you realize how good the gun is, and that the only reason people wrote it off before was due to the $1000 price tag.

>>30742341
Why do poorfags like you even bother with life?

>>30742367
>>30742341
What's the best 9mm defense round?

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>>30741049
OP My very First pistol bigger then .22lr in caliber was a Sphinx 3000. ~2000$
They reason why i did not get a Glock for example as my first is becouse here in sweden we are not allowed to have what we want or how many guns as we want, so i bought something really nice.

you on the other hand live in NA tomorrow you should not be leaving the store with 1 "Cool pistol"
You should leave the store with a AR-15 and ammo and a Glock 19.

>AR-15
great starter rifle get something alright in the 1000$ price range
>Glock 19 great all around pistol
aftermarket parts, work horse, does the job

Pic related

>>30742383
Right to bear arms is meant to give the poor a way to defend themselves you elitist scum. If you live in America, get out.

>>30742411
kek

Poor people that can't even afford an MK23 are pathetic and lazy and need to die

>>30742221
>no punctuation

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>>30742344
USP45T is the best USP out there, followed by the USP45CT. Make sure you get the TLE package, which comes with an extra mag and nightsights from the factory for like an extra $110. Prices are still shit, because fuckers are still buying them for ~$1150.

Best HK USP 40 is the USP40C - The T was going for $789 right before fuckin Abu Hajar blasted that queer bar.

Best HK 9 is the USP9T (NOT the USP9SD) model - these just came out within the last year, but I wouldn't buy one for more than $999, as that is what CDNN had them for the instant they hit the shelves.

if you dont like how they feel in hand (too blocky and not filling) then you can always add a hogue handall and make it fuckin sex.
>pic from some guy on HKforum

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>>30742419
>whoever doesn't have $2000 lying around is pathetic, lazy and needs to die

I hope you get stabbed in your sleep and they raffle your guns off for free at your funeral

>>30742397
THis is a big boy thread. take your LOLonly9mm and fuck off.

that being said, Federal HST is pretty much toptier ammo, with everyone else trying to play keepup.
>HST 124gr non+p
>HST 180
>HST 230 non+P
go search for lucky gunner JHP comparison.

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>>30742344
>>30742344
no
in terms of features, FNX45t has RMR cut, non-proprietary rail, and 15rd capacity standard plus night sites
CZ97 is an excellent steel 45
Glock 21 is $150 cheaper and is pretty much on par
>>30742397
Federal hollowpoints
>>30742383
$760 is expensive for a vanilla plastic fantastic with a proprietary rail and shit capacity
but here's your
>(you)
anyway

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>>30742435
15 round magazine right?

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>>30741049
>>30742403
Or Get a USP in 9mm
and don't forget you will need some cleaning supplies, Extra mags, ammo, Holster these things adds up.

>Slip 2000 EWL and cleaner
>Bulk 9mm FMJ
>2-3boxes of Federal HST 124-147 grains JHP for defense.

I don't know how often you will go to the range and shoot or how much money you are ready to blow on this hobby but ammo cost is expensive.
.45acp is pretty expensive to shoot compaired to 9mm.

If they have a USP and a Mark 23 compare them and try out some stuff before you buy.

>>30742448
Sorry poorfag, kind of less likely for me to be stabbed than poor peasants like you :^)

>>30742472
Maybe you wouldn't be such a poorfag if you didn't spend all of your money on three shitty guns :^)

>>30742341
>if you're going to a beginners handgun class with a MK23, you'll either be laughed at or hated.
See >>30741852
Let them hate, drink their rage tears with a laugh. And to the anon I'm quoting first, offer to let him shoot it, then tell him you were just joking if you want to see him literally explode.

Holy shit

/k/ is one of the best boards on 4chan

>>30742341
$760 is cheap for an HK product, especially when you consider that the joke-tier VP9 is only a little bit less.

>>30742472
>Squishy Squishy Wii-mote
>$2000 22WMR
>non2" rhino with that fuckugly barrel extension cut
yea, ur opinion is pretty much summed up by your 'richfag' collection: ashit.

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>>30742472

lol those rubber grips look terrible

>>30742510
The joke is that /pol/ is always right but the real truth is that /k/ is always right.

>>30741049
I'm sure it would be great, but a USP in
.45 would be a a lot more practical considering this thing is basically the size of a desert eagle

>>30742499
>implying I don't own a USP and dump hundreds of rounds of .45 down range every weekend

I just empathize with other humans that are less fortunate you fucking piece of shit

>>30742488
No, 18rd mags with jetfunnel for lol9mm. you gonna need every round. Thing is, 9mm is pretty shit at being subsonic. while all 230 and 180gr and 185gr is subsonic.

>>30742492
Given that the USP45 is more or less the best .45, is the USP9 also the best 9mm?

>>30742571
Just stop posting.

>>30742592
No, Glock17 TB took that cake wayyy back when.

>>30742571
To be fair 18 rounds of easy follow-up lol9mm HST > 12 rounds of slower follow-up .45 HST

>>30742611
>glock trigger pull

Is it just a personal thing? I fucking hate it

>>30742472
>poorfag lights

yeah you sure showed him

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>>30742641

Glock trigger pulls are both subjectively and objectively shit, as are pretty much all striker fired guns.

Some people like them, just like some people enjoy drinking diarrhea.

>>30741148
Solid Snake used a USP also, but in the second game. Also used a plain jane M4.

>>30741494
Came to post this OP. Try handling a few then see what fits your hand, isn't too heavy, affordable, etc.
If the Mk 23 fits the criteria then go for it.

>>30742745
Maybe I'm old fashion but I also like safeties, hammers and decocking

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>>30742448
>raffle guns off
>for free
Have you ever participated in a raffle?

>>30742626
>doesnt know about the recoil-reducing dualspring
>doesnt know a can is gonna keep that bitch pretty much flat level, and it works against you when its in lol9mm from less slide weight
mmmmmmkay.

>>30742641
>complaining about triggerpull
There is literally nothing wrong with a glock triggerpull. go get a fuckin guitargrip, and work your hands. Don't go expecting fuckin SA when its not hammerfired, and really idk why you would want a snapbreak, because you cannot hit shit with it unless you get it tuned down to ~3lbs. The only shit triggers are on Kahr's, M&P's and XD's. And the 92FS in DA, shits like bending a cafeteria spoon.

I bet you put ALG triggers in AK's too, dont you?

>>30741049
You could always get a FNX-45.
I love mine and have only had one malfunction. I was shooting low power ammo trying to get rid of it so I could reload the brass.

OP here,

I don't plan on carrying it. If I get a mk 23, it will be my nightstand/range gun. The USP 45 looks like the same thing and a better buy, but I don't want to wake up and wish I had a mk23 instead.

>>30742784
>he doesn't understand what free means

>>30742472
Anything CZ is a joke


OP if you take anything from this thread, let it be two things: Get what you're comfortable with, and don't buy CZ.

>>30742802

You're going to regret not buying one of the most iconic handguns ever made.

Do you think MK23s are going to go DOWN in price as time goes on?

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>>30742810
>capitalism tells me that there's no such thing as a free gun raffle

>>30742839
He wants an effective gun he can keep forever not a collectors or future sale gun

>>30742810
>he doesn't know what a raffle is

>>30742862

No one says you have to lock your mk23 up in the safe.

Many owners regularly shoot and enjoy their mk23s.

I was just pointing out that if he doesn't buy one today, it'll probably cost him more tomorrow. Gun prices are going to continue going up and up.

>>30742879
>give away tickets for free
>call number
>someone cheers
>give them gun
I don't have any idea why I just explained that

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Mark 23 is all you need.

Or CZ-75

HOLD UP A MINUTE

Does /k/ have paid H&K shills!?

>>30742911
>Does /k/ have paid H&K shills!?
no, but there are confirmed CZ, PSA, DDI, and SerbShit shills here.

>>30742911

oh, i certainly paid for my HK's

>>30741049
IMHO, the first gun you get is going to be abused because you WILL make noob mistakes as far as maintenance is concerned.

Therefore, better to buy a cheap-ish, solid gun as your first. I personally went with a CZ-75 and it's a great gun for the price : accurate, low recoil, good grip despite my small hands, and plently reliable ; but I'm sure that there is other good options out there.

I also believe that a mark 23 is an anvil of an overkill gun, whether or not you are a beginner.

>>30743080
>I also believe that a mark 23 is an anvil of an overkill gun
It's not exactly heavy, just big.

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My first pistol was a Mark 23. It's a great gun. If you like it, go for it. I did get mine for $1,100, though. There was no way I was walking from that.

>>30741049
>spending $1800 on any handgun

>>30741049
It's almost as big as my dick and more expensive than anything in its class, just get an M9,Glock,USP or a 1911

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>>30743130
>>30743134

Poor people should not be allowed to vote or own firearms.

>>30743118
How did you get one for that price? Was this years ago before everything got expensive, or was the seller just desperate to sell?

>>30743160
>Me
>Poor
I'm middle class but I live like I'm poor because I buy expensive guns

>>30742811
>don't buy CZ
spotted the nogunz

>>30743160
>implying poor
making $7500/mo at my internship bud

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>>30743166
I found it at a pawn shop about a year and a half ago. It took all of my self control to keep cool after I saw the price. I'm convinced that the guy had it for so long that he was desperate to move it, or he had no idea what he had. In any case, I've never been so blessed in my life. It was the day after I got my tax returns, as well.

>>30742789
>There is literally nothing wrong with a glock triggerpull

Lost any credibility right there.

Litterally every shooter I know has better results with a SA action than with a glock, and this includes people owning and competing with them. Last time I fired a glock, every trigger pull felt like I was bending plastic.

The trigger is not and never was designed for accurate shooting. It was designed as a rugged, practical combat handgun. For all the merits of the glock, and they include a pretty good intrinsically accuracy, the trigger is one of the let downs.

A "safe action" trigger may be better than a DA trigger pull, but it doesn't fucking matter when 99% of the shots you are going to fire are going to be in SA.

>>30743217
Probably has something to do with the kind of people who go into a pawn shop to buy guns and what kinds of values they are looking for. Too bad the shop didn't realize he could sell that on Gunbroker for $600 more.

>>30743216
>bragging about making pocket change a month

kek

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If I was gonna get a handgun, I'd go with the HK45c.

>>30743217
>$1100
time to start bargain hunting at the local pawn shops

>>30743263
>8 round magazine
The Glock 30 is more compact and has a 10 round magazine. So, what's so great about the USP45c that makes the smaller capacity justified?

>>30743301
The fact than a USP will outlive everyone alive right now.

>>30743322
Any modern pistol of average quality will outlive 99% of gun owners. That can't be the only reason.

>>30743301

You capacity and size faggots are the worst.

Guess what you queer, people carry large 6 shot revolvers and are just as well protected and just as comfortable as someone carrying 15 rounds of +P 9mm in a compact.

Real world gun fights among citizens are not what you see in the movies or in police shootouts and are over instantly.

You all live in a fantasy world thinking you need 20 rounds jammed into a gun small enough to fit in your asshole in order to be safe.

>>30743336
Well there's that and the fact that Kochsuckers would do anything to prove that HK is superior to every other manufacturer.

And I'm proudly one of them.

>>30743366
OK. But we're not comparing a semi-auto to a revolver. We're comparing two polymer pistols. Is everything else equal, or isn't it? Because if everything else is equal, capacity is going to be a major deciding factor.

>>30743383
>We're comparing two polymer pistols. Is everything else equal, or isn't it? Because if everything else is equal, capacity is going to be a major deciding factor

Maybe the person shoots better with the USP or the glock. Maybe they are more comfortable with the controls of the glock or the USP.

MAYBE two fucking rounds of difference and a few centimeters is a literal non-issue in the actual real world where people like us live.

>>30743366
>>30743406
>gun is objectively worse
>B-BUT WHY DO YOU NEEEEED THAT OBJECTIVE SUPERIORITY

The arguments people try to conjure up against Glock Perfection are fucking hilarious

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>>30743177
MURICA

I actually respect guys who say "fuck a car and a house, they don't even shoot bullets"

>>30741049
i wanted one as a first pistol but lol commiefornia

so i got the usp 45 instead for 1k

do it if you want poorfags will be jelly.

i got medium sized hands and the usp fits me decently and i have a good trigger pull on it (no wobble) but i do have to shift it in my hand to decock or release mags or the slide if doin it single handedly

so i think the mk23 would be a bit cumbersome for me no that i think about it

>>30743366
Lolno

Being able to fire 15 rounds of 9mm JHP with quick follow up shots before having to reload > 6 rounds of bigger bullet before reload

>>30743470
If you live in cucked CA and can only have 10 rounds. Get the USP45 with federal HST rounds. It is objectively the best handgun you could get in the state.

Anyone disagree?

>>30742341
>if you're going to a beginners handgun class with a MK23, you'll either be laughed at or hated.

Who cares? Get what you want.

>>30743429
>>gun is objectively worse
>>B-BUT WHY DO YOU NEEEEED THAT OBJECTIVE SUPERIORITY

BECAUSE OWNING AND CARRYING A GUN IS VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST AN OBJECTIVE DECISION.

You people are literally the worst kind of gun owners.

I even mentioned that someone could be more comfortable/effective shooting one gun over the other, and they could prefer the controls/features of the other. Those are both SUBJECTIVE and are 100% valid concerns.

If someone can't hit shit with a g19, but can with *insert literally any other gun* and they want to protect themselves and exercise their god given right to own a weapon then they would be retarded to buy a glock.


>>30743498
>Being able to fire 15 rounds of 9mm JHP with quick follow up shots before having to reload > 6 rounds of bigger bullet before reload

See above. You live in a fantasy world where gun fights come down to the round in your magazine. Those concerns are relevant for the military and police, maybe, but not for a guy who looking to protect his home and family from dindus.

As soon as you fire your SD or HD weapon, the situation ends almost immediately.

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>>30743134
>lol9mm

>>30743547
*to the last round

>>30743535
done and done lol

you can buy a S&W .500 i think or lower in here.

im going to get a usp9c if i dont finish my pistol build, or fix my shitbox

>priorities

>>30743547
>>BECAUSE OWNING AND CARRYING A GUN IS VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST AN OBJECTIVE DECISION.
Yes it is.

>>30743613
>>>BECAUSE OWNING AND CARRYING A GUN IS VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT JUST AN OBJECTIVE DECISION.
>Yes it is.

You're literally too stupid to argue with then. Good to know.

>>30743625
How do you figure?

>>30743575
Those bigger bullets are really hard to control for follow up shots in my opinion. With a little practice, most people can follow up a 45 fairly quickly

>>30743547
On average you're right.

But if we were only concerned with averages we would not carry guns.

The opposite does occur. Why be found wanting?

>>30743641

So then carry a fully loaded 100 round drum in your backpack everywhere you go faggot.

FANTASY WORLD.

>>30743547
Do you understand what the word "objective" means?

>>30743679

No man, please tell us in your own words.

>>30743720

You can measure the difference in the outcome of a life-or-death situation when a gun is used in defense against the outcome of when a gun is not used in defense. One outcome is the bad guy being shot. The other outcome is the good guy being shot. That's an objective measure. Objective means that something can be measured and independently verified by any person or machine. The human body can be hooked up to a machine that can tell you if it has a pulse or not, as a result of dying from getting shot.

A subjective measure is something that, by definition, can only be measured by the experiencer. Things like the psychological comfort that comes from carrying a gun, or the physical discomfort from having extra weight on your hip, are subjective measures.

Calling the ownership or carry of a gun a "subjective decision" means that you are totally discounting the rational aspects of the decision-making process. You are saying that, absent of any reasons as to why a gun might be the best tool for the job of self-defense, guns are purely symbols of subjective experiences, like vanity.

>>30743827

I think you might be getting confused with my wording which was that owning and carrying a gun is not just an objective decision.

I don't mean the decision to own or carry a gun at all. I mean the decision of what kind of gun to own is subjective.

I gave two examples of subjective advantages that one gun or another might offer (shooting ability with a particular firearm, and comfort with particular ergonomics) that depend largely upon the individual anatomy and personal preferences of a person.

>>30743883

>I mean the decision of what kind of gun to own is subjective.

subjective as well as objective*

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>>30743883
Objectively speaking shot placement and reliability matter the most

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPfjufjpx2o

Funny how a movie can portray this so accurately

>>30742894
no one gives away raffle tickets for free

when was the last time you went to the county fair?

>>30743130

that's really not that much money

>>30741128
Nice argument

>>30744338
They had a person giving away free raffle tickets at a bar I went to last week

Winner got a t-shirt

>>30742057

stainless 725 shipped /w laser

https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-usp-45acp-compact-v1-stainless.html

>>30744404
It's more than a $600 glock which is at least 80% as effective

>>30744460
coors light coming in to the bar to give away free shit as promotion of their product is different from anon dying and the executor of his estate raffling off his property

>>30744479

OK.

>>30744512
The dream has hope you are saying?

>>30744473
lasers are fucking worthless

>>30741049

Not OP but in the market for a fun .45 pistol. Already got a couple nice 1911's and a G41 with a RMR on top. Had a fnp-45 tactical, didn't like it.

What other choices do I have besides:
- mark 23 or usp
- sig super match

>>30741049
Everyone you ever show it too will be butthurt,
Because you will have a better pistol.

If you've held it and you like it, get it.
If you've SEEN it but not held it, hold it first.

Don't want to get it home to find you've bought a steel brick you can hardly hold let alone shoot.

It is big, it is heavy.

>>30743301
>HK
>USP
>compact
>.45 auto

>Hammer fired

All the reasons are plainly visible right there on the gun anon

But if you really wanted the capacity, go 5.7

>>30741900
You've never held a Mark 23

>>30742811
>anything CZ is a joke
>isn't aware that the CZ75 is like the dankest service pistol of all time
>isn't aware that Dan Wesson only became the brand it is due to CZ
>hasn't fired a CZ bolt action before
>CZ 805 Bren is like one of the dankest AR alternatives on the market

I own two Dan Wessons and a CZ75B with the finish coming off and it's still rust-free, accurate, comfy, and shit. Does it have fit and finish issues? No it's a fuckin $550 handgun not a $4000 super 1911

>>30745115
It was an exaggeration

I live in CT. Should I even bother trying to get into guns?

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Mark 23 thread? Here's mine.

>>30747690

CT fag here

no

move

>>30747766
Where'd you get the Foxhound patch?

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Fucking stop it guys i don't need a mk23
I don't need it!

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>>30747932
You know you want it, search your feelings, you know it to be true.

>>30742341
VP9 isn't much cheaper and a run of the mill G19 is $200 less, which a little more saving imo would be worth it.

>>30747959
n-no i have my heart set on les baer-sama
although +p+ .45 super

>>30747968
Poorfags don't know the meaning of patience or saving.
They thrive on instant gratification.
That's why they're poor.

>>30747924
their up on amazon man

looks a lot nicer in this pic compared to their shitty pics

>>30747924
AliExpress or Amazon, I don't remember

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>>30742802
>not wanting to buy the 'Yo homie, is dat my briefcase' gun
kys anon

>>30747987
Good... Good... Let the desire for 45 super flow through you.

I gotta admit though a Les Baer is great alternative. My advice is get the Mark 23 now,if you want one, before they get harder to find and more expensive.