YOU SEE HANS THIS IS MORE THAN GUN IF YOU HOLD DOWN TRIGGER

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>G36

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Look guys, I found G36 in Upotte!
They really did an accurate job on it.

We all know the G36 doesn't melt.

It's simply the Ditto they forced into a gun shape with Teutonic magicks rebelling.

>>30665997
This.
Jokes is over played.

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legendary HK quality

>>30665997
>German Army report says it melts
>Some guy on the internet explains in clear terms why plastic trunnion is a bad idea
>Some other tests say it doesn't melt
>Is it even still the original version now
Fuck me, I don't know what's real.

>>30666993
The German army test involved magdumping 300 rounds back to back and resulted in the gun melting, which would never ever happen in a real world combat situation, partly because nobody magdumps or even really use full auto, and partly because the rounds fired much exceeded the German soldiers combat load. The gun certainly fails at an earlier point than its competitors, as an M4 will generally fail at 400-600 rounds back to back, but because its not a situation that will ever arise naturally, it doesn't really mean anything for either gun. Acting like its some sort of damning strike against the gun is basically the rifle equivalent of the glockenade meme.
Other than that, believe what you want.

>>30667033
Well the issue did arise in the first place somehow. Maybe weakening of the receiver leads to eventual loss of zero even if it never quite reaches the temperature to fail.

>>30667033
You know what proofing rounds are? You test guns beyond their normal operation. In part this is to gind a limit, but in part because if it survives utter bullshit you can throw at it, it's rocksolid for normal use. Somewhere around 300 rounds it melts, so between 0-300 rounds, IE combat, it could still experience thermal issues.

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>>30665906
Kraut here.

The overheat meme was started by our current Minister of Defence who has less military and weapon experience than a Californian soccer mom.

She is being paid by H&K's competitors cause they want to force a new service gun on the Bundeswehr for the delicious tax money profits.

Studies and interviews with soldiers stationed in Afghan showed the rifle just gets hot like any other rifle when being fired, and does not reach any unusual heat levels, nor does the accuracy suffer under normal operations.

tl;dr this is what happens when you let the former Minister of Family Affairs, Senior Citizens, Women and Youth be the new Minister of Defence.
Which in turn was a political decision to sink her, as the Ministry of Defence is a shit show where incompetent politicians are parked to die.

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>>30665955
That's not G36 tho.

>>30667197
Why do all you european nations have soccer mum ministers of defence

>>30667242
Because the commies won the culture war against Europe

>>30667242
Cause Ministry of Defences here all are filthy swamps of lobbying and corruption just like the Pentagon, but without the will to actually get working toys for the billions they burn.

And defence is usually connected to old white dudes, so the PR guys in the parties and weapon manufacturers want a smiling soccer mom to "bring fresh wind into the old crusty structures".

>>30667197
She came into office when this was already a topic in the media and to prove that she is able to deal with problems she ditched the gun.

>>30667304
Before she came into office it was just the usual "our toys are better than your toys" rumors spread by competing weapon manufacturers.
But when she decided to get rid of the rifles without any major studies proving those claims, the issue became a major topic.
You don't see a MoD declare THE modern German rifle to be shit every day.
It was a marketing campaign now fought by volunteer fanboys on both sides who ignore independent studies and just cherry pick biased ones supporting their narratives.

>>30667304
>She came into office when this was already a topic in the media

Nein.

>>30667197
>implying no military has tested this problem on its own
Get out HK, nobody on /k/ likes you anyway.

>>30667327
>>>30667304
>It was a marketing campaign
Do you have y evidence, HK?

>>30667534
>>30667544
I have no interest in defending H&K, they are as dubious and corrupt as their competitors, just stating what happened.
Enjoy your fanboy and meme wars though.

>>30667534
Nobody likes HK? I liked the way some of their guns looks. Are they just impractical or are their defects with their tools? I hear a lotta special forces use HK guns

>>30667600

G36 sucks, everything else is mostly alright
France may even adopt the H&K416

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>>30667534
>yet no other military has ever reported such a problem

>>30667242
Because if they had anyone competent they'd Reich up faster then a loaf in the oven, and have modern tech at their disposal to start their wunderweapon development from.

Meaning Nazi death stars in like 15 years. Which I would be fine with, but the Jews aren't for obvious reasons.

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>>30667610
It's one of the most common service rifles in Europe right and plenty of Euro SOF use it, despite having access to HK416/C8s, so it must be shit right?

Aren't they upgrading all their G36's to MG36 specs?

>>30667033
Can you sauce the 300 rounds? As far as I know the report was never made public.
I doubt a regular DI gun takes as much ammo as the G36 without the gas tube exploding and I'm pretty sure any wood furniture on an AK is gonna at least smoke if not burn.
Apart from that, during my time at the Bundeswehr (only mandatory service) I was issued with four 30 round magazines. Not that they ever gave me that much ammo, but the best I could have dumped was 120 rounds.
Also consider the fact that a regular G36 (with red dot and 4x scope) weighs about 300g more than a SCAR-L without red dot/scope.
As the Bundeswehr is mostly carrying around their guns, weight is certainly more important than having LMG like performance.

>>30667653
The Germans didn't. I can't remember which countries did, I think Spain.

>>30667642
>that opsec

>>30667642
Access to isn't as nice as already paid for

>>30667242
Because it's mostly just paper pushing and politics.

>>30667197
I came here to post this as an American. Glad you guys know whats going on over there.

>>30667304
But it doesn't have those problems, it never did. If anything it proves shes incompetent for choosing the easiest way to avoid actually analyzing and de-escalating the entire thing, which would save her trouble in the long run and save her some face instead of causing a huge scandal like she did instead.

>>30667544
>>30667534
Nobody is shilling HK. We let these things start and this is how everyone ends up buying only glocks because they believe ads and rumors only.
And no, theres nothing wrong with glocks either.

>>30665906
>>30666993
>>30667033
>>30667061
>>30667197
>>30667642
>>30667794

I'm still wondering what will happen to the hundreds of thousands of G36's that will be replaced/taken out of service.

Civilian market? Sell off to Norway? Police forces? What do?
>seeing militia's running around with G36's

Surely they are too valuable to be scrapped or salvaged for parts. No?

>>30668066
>Surely they are too valuable to be scrapped or salvaged for parts. No?

You're misunderstanding the concept of 'value added'.

From the perspective of a Gov't, spending a comparable pittance to deny the use or possession of weapons like that to its peons would be money well spent vs selling off the weapons complete or as pieces for a modest profit.

>>30665920
g-melty6
ftfy

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>>30667242

Love this meme.

>>30667197
>paid by H&K's competitors
There are no competitors to HK in germany. HK supplies EVERYTHING the german army uses (as small arms are concerned) and that's not even hyperbole.The most likely successor to the G36 is the 416. The only other producers of combat rifles in germany are some obscure producers of civilian Ar15 and Sig Sauer. None of these have the institutional or financial power to influence the ministry of defence or the media. This whole conspiracy theory is bollocks.

The simplest explanation for the differing reports (in my opinion) is that the G36 did have a problem, HK silently fixed it and now denies it ever existed.

>>30668976
>This whole conspiracy theory is bollocks.
>But mine where HK would need to swap three hundred thousand rifle parts without anybody noticing is perfectly reasonable.
what did he mean by this?

also
>politicians being lobbied is now conspiracy theory material

>>30669026
>Old rifles sit in a depot where they're never shot
>Soldiers in deployment get new stuff
>Gee, this gun isn't so bad after all

>Political libbying
If anyone does the lobbying in german MoD, it's HK itself. Faking reports that indeed do show problems with the G36 is not something anyone else could do.

>>30668851
>Ministers of Defence are peppy feminists who's martial experience is limited to watching cardio boxing infomercials

No wonder Isis is able to murder Europeans with impunity. Putting women in charge of a military is the dumbest most counterintuitive shit ever.

>Why weren't women in charge of Army ever throughout human history?
>Clearly its pancultural multimillenial genetic sexism from stupid males, fill the European military with women except for job where they could be hurt!
>Oh no our populace is being raped and slaughtered, how can we tell the enemy to stop without hurting their feelings?

>>30668976
>HK supplies EVERYTHING the german army uses (as small arms are concerned)
Even more reason to believe this is a smear campaign to hit HK's market share and reputation.
Cui bono?

>Old rifles sit in a depot where they're never shot
And HK gunsmiths can just walk into the gorillion Bundeswehr armories, exchange parts on the spot for free (companies even bill their own fuckups), and leave without anybody ever noticing?
That sounds more tinfoil than any other theory I heard so far.

>>30669060
>Faking reports that indeed do show problems with the G36 is not something anyone else could do.
The other big European manufacturers are not exactly small mom-and-pop shops.

>>30669133
>MoD in Europe
>in charge of the military in Europe
kek, the ministries here are procurement institutions only, no need to get triggered.

>>30669174
>Procurement

Yeah procuring stupid useless shit because women can't fucking make war.
Thank God for feminists shoehorning women into everything because from this generation onwards men have scientific proof women are dumb fucking whores that belong in monkey cages where we will throw their own shit back at them.

>Can't stop the ragetrain nigga

>>30669153
>And HK gunsmiths can just walk into the gorillion Bundeswehr armories
No you dumb nigger, the old rifles are shitty as they ever were, only noone uses them any more. New rifles are fine, new rifles are used, nobody has a problem, people like you who don't believe there ever was one are the result.

Also, I already explained why HK has no competitors, in germany at least, and certainly none that could possibly rig media and official german studies in such a way.

>>30669133
>>30667242
It is a purely bureaucratic administration position which any paper pusher can do.
Strategic decisions are done within the actual forces and NATO.

>>30668851
>thinks the Russian MoD is any less a paper pusher than the women depicted
He was an engineer and administrator before licking Putin's boot.

>>30669060
>>30669227
A German conscript anon a while ago said they had ran thousands of rounds through all the rifles in the armories, all the G36s were beat to hell yet still ran accurately.

>>30669227
>the old rifles are shitty as they ever were, only noone uses them any more.
Except that tests were done with armory rifles to sample the effects of age and usage on accuracy, it is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about and just shitpost your opinion.

>repeating the only HK could possibly fund studies in their favor meme
Ja I think we are done here.

>>30669227
>thinks we all get brand new rifles on deployment
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>30665906
the average german is well aware it is just a meme, so far i only see burgers getting excited because it gives them a reason to do mad bantz about muh AR and germony BTFO.

Why are HK guns so fucking sexy

>>30669488
Why are those dubs so fucking sexy?

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>Tfw one of the only good minister in France is the MoD

I don't know for other european countries but our MoD is anything but a soccer mom, he actually knows his shit and somewhat appreciated by the military.

>>30667219

But will she -melt-?

THE MEME LOVING PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW!

>>30667242
It's more like 50% women (none of who were in the military) and 50% lawyers (no military service either)
There are some exceptions, though.

>>30667197
I want to glaze her face like a chelsea bun.

>>30668066
They'll go to Kurdistan, be it Syrian or Iraqi.

>>30666333
Machining done by a large rodent

>>30670473
this, to peacefull peacekeepers of freedom and peace.

>>30668851
This picture is wrong in more than one way. First from left is Norway's not Sweden's etc

>>30671840
To be fair, the Kurds are actually pretty good with the issue

>>30671890
Yeah I can see that matter because in really tiny print you can see it says from left to right. Oh. Never mind that it doesn't say that's the order only that those are the people pictured..

>>30667616
It's nopt so much that the G36 bought by France melt than we bought the melted ones...
I saw some "shinny brand new G36 from the reserve of the Bundeswehr" they gave to some police unit where I am. It's a shame, the poor things were beaten to death, I think some kraut run a Leopard on them before shipping them to France. Plus mags are bulky according to the guys. Don't see them at the range so I don't know what they really do when firing, we share a range with some police units but the high tier ones have their own training centers.

>>30668066
They are sold to France and other countries than cannot afford weapons, don't expect them in the USA, If I am correct Germany has some fucked up laws about selling military surplus weapons to civilian markets or that might end into civilian markets. Whole EU has some laws like a country cannot sold its surplus weapons on its own civilian market, this is why you have shitload of MAS in the USA and we will never have FAMAS ;_; (GIAT could have manufacture the conversion kit to semi auto)

>>30671840
Kurds are bros you cuck.

>>30667642
...why are those guns censored like some hardcore fucking bukkake?

>>30672185
Cause they are pure sex and this is a blue board.

>>30667794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSizVpfqFtw

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>>30669243
I can somewhat confirm this. After 300 rounds it's more like a 2 moa rifle rather than 1 moa. Once you let it cool down it returns to zero.

>>30672275
nice redneck science you got there, sure looks like Afghanistan in the summer.

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>>30669713
>But will she -melt-?
No, but she sweats a lot when you use her without break

>>30668851
Someone post the extended one with the Polish Minister of Defense

>>30668066
>I'm still wondering what will happen to the hundreds of thousands of G36's that will be replaced/taken out of service
They'll be sent to hadjii goat fuckers and houthis.

>>30667197
Rifle is fine?

>>30669603
It's a shame they shut down your arms factory. Would of been great to implement the G2 or even modernize it.

>>30667033
My retransmission site in afghanistan got attacked by a lot of had just once. I burned through all 10 of my loaded mags with in a few minutes. Then the apachesame showed up. I got to reload mags while the SAWs kept the fire up.

My aluminum and steel m16a4 did not warp or melt. Though shit, it was hot.

>>30667033
>m4 fails at 400-600 rounds of continuous fire
It's more in the 600-800 range
Besides, you'd melt your plastic furniture on an AR or M4 before catastrophic failure of other components.

>>30668851
On a lighter note, our Secretary of Defense isn't so bad. Tad bit hawkish, but he's alright.

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>>30669488
Dubs confirm, HK is pure sex

4:20 blaze it

Why are G36s so common in Hollywood movies? Did some west coast armorers get a gift package of G36 kits from HK or something?

>>30674273
cause they are modern, extremely good lucking and distinctive.
many other modern rifles are too similar to the AR pattern, people like a little variation.

does anyone know if HK ever got their shit worked out with Customs and BATFE?

>>30674273
Frankly, its because it looks cool, especially if you want a near-future type of movie.

>>30674273
>they're supposedly good
>but you, me, and most non rich people will never get a chance to touch or even see one

Why live

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I had several issues with the g36, like an butterlike hanguard after ca 4 magazines on semi mode and an broken stock holding button after hitting an tree with the stock while chrouching to a trench in basic's. In my opinion it is also loud as fuck if you run or move i.g. linke an babyrattle. But,exept the overall problems with 5.56 guns, its an accepteble easy to use weapon.

Picture somewhat related: mantarget with Holmes Form p1/38, p8 and the French service pistol whose Name i never remember. G3, mg3, g36 and famas. In the target are several 5,56 Hits wich show how easy this caliber is distracted by Wind and that on a range with hig earthwalls to each side

>>30674519
i fucking loved the g36 in BF2
g36e with the burst ratatatat

>>30672160
what ever you say, hadji

>>30677683
It was the most unbalanced bullshit compared to the other guns. Plus iron sights weren't centred.

>>30670633
>>30666333

That's a weld, you clowns, and a rather neat one.

>>30677667
>In the target are several 5,56 Hits wich show how easy this caliber is distracted by Wind

Or it probably just shows some people a.) can't shoot for shit or b.) thought it would be fun to shoot that target.

>>30667219
Oh my, what's Upotte's G11 look like?

>>30678609
a girl in a space suit?

>>30678277
So, fun fact. M855 and surplus ammo of the same type typically has a 1 in 5 chance of getting a flyer because "lol, surplus". They're just trying to get the ammo out and not too worried how it goes down range.

>>30678277
The holes , wich look like someone tried to Stab the target with a pocketknive, are the ones i ment. This target was used for something named "munverbrauchsschiessen" it' s done to geht rid of as much as possible of the given ammunition for the specific day on range to avoid getting less ammo the next time. Sad but true

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>>30668851

>>30668851
Dutchman here.
Watch our minster of defence in action.
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1775211/050d2fec/kotsende_jeannine_hennis.html
This was her only claim to fame.

Also a sad part of the truth and leads to the fact that demployment ammo luckyly often is an other type/brand then the ammo you train with at home ranges

>>30678980
Reffered to >>30678925

>>30678941
>The holes , wich look like someone tried to Stab the target with a pocketknive, are the ones i ment.

You get keyhole shaped hits like that on every military range regardless of the caliber, clever guy.
They're the result of rounds from rifles/MGs hitting the ground, improvised targets (old vehicles) and such, destabilizing and continuing on an unpredictable trajectory.
The buzzing sound you sometimes hear when you send a MG burst downrange are rapidly spinning ricochets. If you're really unlucky or if someone uses steel targets without taking this into consideration, they can (and do) end up right where you stand at the firing line, in your face.

>>30678950
>Russia's neverserved fag is somehow better than the chicks because he wears a uniform

kek

The Polack has a hardass history, tho, even if he also never served.

>>30679164
You are totaly right, that could happen with every caliber if the bullets riccoche, i' ve should write about this possibility and that in this specifc case there were no riccochets.(liing Position, target above ground fixed at the frame usally used to shoot rings on paper because this Kind oft target in it normal holder falls back after one hit ,just me and two others shooting and no shooting at the same time. And last but not least it was for get rid oft ammo not to waste it (what we we would call: "Blei in die Heide"). So we kept the shots on target with semi only, no fully retardet, max two shots as a "Dublette" and with the mg3 we trained our singleshot capabilities.

>>30679494
how does one even fire single shots when that beast fires at 1300 rpm?

>>30679830
Threat her like a ladie ;-) it's all about the Finger skills.

>>30680047
kek