What does Denmark need with 60+ F-16s? Its whole nation's

Why not. Israel has more F-15/F-16 per capita than Denmark and unlike the danes, they shared the border against incompetent arabs instead of Russia

>>30488708
You might to take a look at a map there chief.

>>30488662
>What does Denmark need with 60+ F-16s?

You dont. Thats why Denmark will buy ~40 F-35As in the near future.

The operating costs of 40 F-35As will however be similar to those of 60 F-16s.
>inb4 shitstorm

>>30488662
Denmark is one of the few responsible countries out there. Making sure your people are protected is not foolish.

Denmark borders two Muslim countries and is a natural choke point for Russia's Baltic fleet.

>>30488791
27 F-35s actually

Denmark always punches way above its weight

>>30488857
and they only have 47 f-16s including the training ones

When the Swedish Allahus start their Akbaring, you'll thank based Denmark for their airforce.

>>30488662
They don't want to get pushed around.
They know they wouldn't win a war against someone like Russia, but they are letting Russia know that they could cripple the hell out of them.

>>30488871
It lasted barely a morning against germany

>>30489056
>cripple the hell out of them

top kek

>>30489096
Largely because their high command was incompetent as hell and basically let the Germans in.
>>30488662
>why do you need X
Because fuck you that's why.

>>30489096

All of Europe got curbstomped by Germany and it took the rest of the world years to unfuck that situation.

Denmark surrendered after that time because they knew fighting was completely pointless. Better surrender than have your country mauled in a fight you know you can't win.

You can hardly hold it against them for surrendering.

>>30488724
Which part of map that I should look?

Denmark and Russia do share common land and maritime border

>>30489214
What is NATO? What is having more defense in smaller area than other nations?

>>30489385
No, they don't you stupid fuck.

>>30489385
Wait....where is that land border?

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>>30489385
>>30488708
"No"

>>30489385

>He thinks Denmark is Finland

>>30489541
At least he doesn't think that we're Sweden. Them's fighting words.

>>30489385
Learn your white barbarians

>>30488662

Denmark guards the Baltic Sea against Russia.

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>>30489385
>Americans
>in charge of Geography

>>30489612
What part of anon's posts makes you think he's an Amerilard?

>>30490292
The total, utter and complete lack of geographic knowledge is kind of a hint.

>>30489096
Consider the fucking size of the forces you're talking about

>>30489557
You are both scum to us Norwegians anyway.....;)

>>30489096
They lasted 3 hours, but at least their navy had the dignity to scuttle.

Russia has done some really sketchy mock bombing runs against Bornholm in recent years. It makes a lot of sense for Denmark to have the ability to protect Bornholm and the Faeroe islands with their air force.

They sent in their navy special forces with helicopters to deal with some sea shepherd hippies a while back.

>>30489096
Denmark had the highest ratio of killed Germans to killed nationals of any country, if official numbers are to be believed. Heck, German soldiers have even later stated that they were choked and surprised that the Danes were fighting back and hadn't surrendered preemptively.
Sure, we would've stood no chance if it was an actual war, but if Denmark had still been the size it was hundreds of years ago, odds are most Germans would be speaking danish now.

>>30492180
>Denmark stronk

>>30490535
to be fair, most countries in europe are less relevent than US states economically, culturally, militarily and in population so there is no reason to know them.

>>30488662
they are gonna need them to fight for independence from the EU once germany turns it into the 4th reich / caliphate

>>30492704
>there is no reason to know them

Do you hate education or are you just black?

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We only have 30. We just signed a wildly debated agreement to buy 27 F35's. Boeing even had a public PR campaign with billboards and all to sway public opinion towards the F18.

The billboard reads "10.000 Danish jobs with Super Hornet"

>>30490595
You're just budget Danes.

>>30492781
The norwegians are getting kinda fucked with the costs of the F35. Seems like a good plane but from what i understand they have to cut back on literally everything else that isn't the F35 right now. Are you in the same situation too? Or will you be?

>>30488877
>>30488791
Really? Shit I though we were buying the F-18 super hornets, but mostly I'm interested in small arms not so much the planes the air force is flying
The danes actually have extremely well trained soldiers to compensate for their population size. They did have the highest death per capita in afghanistan but you have to consider they were smack in the middle of helmand taliban IED hell, roughest place as far as I heard.

>>30492816
You bet your ass we will be in the same situation. Parliament just made an agreement that the cost of maintaining the planes must be kept within the current military budget, ie everything else is screwed.

>>30490595
Fjældabe.

>>30492781
Ten jobs doesn't seem like all that much

>>30492878
That sucks. Do you know about anything specific that will have to be canned or delayed because of the F35 costs yet? Do you think they should have gone with another plane? In that case which?

>>30492914
10.000 jobs is a lot in a country with population around 5-6 million.

How capable is the F-16 even?

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>>30492923
>Do you think they should have gone with another plane? In that case which?

Of the 3 planes that were considered, the F35, F18 and the Eurofighter, the F35 does seem to be the best multi-role plane and therefore the best choice.

I simply think that in the light of increased Russian aggression and no end in sight of military conflicts in the Middle East we should expand our military budget.

> Do you know about anything specific that will have to be canned or delayed because of the F35 costs yet?

No specifics yet, but the army is searching for a new LMG, so now it's probably gonna be the cheapest one.
Our artillery is from the 60's (I read that they can only drive 100m before breaking down) an is in dire need of a replacement, but that seems pretty far out right now.

All in all we should spend the money that a modern capable military cost.

>>30493024
New LMG what about the M/15 M60E6?

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>>30493106
Hmm, didn't know they actually bought them already. Pretty cool gun I guess.

>>30492934
But its only 10 jobs. Like a small/medium sized supermarket. Who cares.

>>30493157
What are you aiming at?

>>30492180
They should have let the soviets occupy denmark
woulda served you fucks right

>>30493174
That the use of a decimal place rather than a comma in large numbers is absolutely retarded and I have no idea why its popular in Europe.

>>30493151
Indeed, I am happy with it. The M249 wouldn't have hurt either.

>>30493157
>>30493174
He's just trying to be witty about the fact that they wrote 10.000. Sadly he doesn't realize that in the germanic system you don't use period but commas instead. We write 5,56mm instead of 5.56mm.

Just another uneducated burger who thinks it's funny when he doesn't understand something.

>>30493174
Non-Europeans use the correct way to write numbers.
10.000=ten and zero thousandths.
Ten thousand= 10,000

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>>30492948
Still a great plane, but the F-16 MLUs are getting old. The airframes don't have much flight time left and the avionics are getting outdated.
The Netherlands has the same F-16 and they couldn't operate their F-16s in Syria because the F-16 MLUs lack satellite comms.

Tbh I am curious how Denmark (and also Belgium) are going to work with the fact that they have to wait like 10 years before they'll receive F-35s in operational condition to replace their F-16 fleet, which probably doesn't have much flight hours left. They're so late to the F-35 party that they probably haven't even seen the inside of one, yet most other countries who ordered the F-35 are already testing the plane and/or training pilots and maintenance crew.

>>30493422
Denmark was part of the group of nations that started funding the F35, so we will probably get access to some early test versions.

>>30493422
Seriously? They can likely start getting delivery in a couple years, not a decade. Italy, Netherlands, and UK have already taken in units for initial testing.

>>30488662
Small countries syndrome

>>30493501
Not that anon, but I imagine he means entire replacement of their F-16 fleet, not first delivery.

At LM's predicted FRP rate (17 aircraft a month), production is going to take almost 15 years.

That said, they'll probably put priority in small orders rather than filling the ~1,700 US order entirely.

>>30493498
>>30493501
>They can likely start getting delivery in a couple years, not a decade. Italy, Netherlands, and UK have already taken in units for initial testing.

I didn't mean initial delivery, I meant in operational condition. Denmark will be 5+ years behind on those countries you mentioned when it comes to testing the plane and training the pilots/crew. Belgium even more, since they haven't made a decision yet. Meanwhile, both of their F-16 fleets are at the end of their lifespan already.

>>30488839
Denmark is like 6% muslim m8

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>>30489096
What the fuck were they supposed to do?

>hurf durf let's throw everything we have into the meatgrinder only to end up barely scathing the nazis and getting absolutely demolished regardless

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>>30489096
Rest in pieces Blucher.

>>30494079
wasn't that in norway?

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>>30494049

>>30492704
Europe, not relevant, with it's longer history (excluding of course, injuns), greater cultural variety, and rich source of /k/related issues is not relevant?

Why would he/she/attack helicopter choose to speak of a region that he/she/attack helicopter knows nothing about?

Why CHOOSE ignorance, then defend by saying its not relevant? Europe is NOT akin to basket weaving or womens studies.

Not even European btw.

>>30494019
Lol no. That are numbers for France/belgium. Danes have a smaller % compared to them.

>>30494173
That's american 101 for you. Be ignorant as fuck about how things work in other places and then just talk shit/say they're irrelevant.

>>30494295
>REEEEEE I'm relevant
Not anymore. To appeal, please state your vassaldom.

NOTE: Belgium is automatically disqualified

>>30494497
We're not commenting on global relevance. We are commenting on willful ignorance.

>>30488662
We had some Danish pilots in Kuwait with us last year bombing isis. Us, Danes, Canadians and Italians.

>>30494530
>willful ignorance
>American 101
>judging an entire people based on the actions of a few
>racist europeans spreading hate speech

I used to believe you were finally tolerant but you might as well reopen the camps.

>>30494220
A Google search is saying 3-4% in 2004, It's most likely a point or two higher by now. Muslims bleed like rabbits

France is probably close to 10%, with tons of non-muslim blacks as well. It's hell over there, especially in places like Marseille

>>30494702
>bleed like rabbits

Did I just do the slip of Freud? ;^)

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>>30494702
Fun times ahead for France it seems.

>>30494702
>Muslims bleed like rabbits
And unfortunately there are people like her fuher merkelel that invite them to come and gives them free shit. Of course there numbers are on the rise. Even Iceland, the whitest country on earth received a few of them. For a country with only 300k people I'd say that they're in for a ride.

>>30494607
Suicide is an option. Just saying.

>>30492704
>to be fair, most countries in europe are less relevent than US states economically, culturally, militarily and in population so there is no reason to know them.
boy am I laffin. 11/10 post.

>>30492914
>>30492934
get it right, its 10 and 0-hundredthousandths jobs exact.

>>30493235
>Just another uneducated burger
your country been to the moon yet? If you dumbfuck yuropoors woulda known we write numbers in fuckin IMPERIAL instead of that juden-designed metric system, we woulda got there a year sooner.

>>30493422
>The airframes don't have much flight time left and the avionics are getting outdated.
>$0.50 has been deposited into your LockMart prepaid debit card
fuck outta here with that shit. Find me ONE plane that broke in half while in flight from an "exceeded flight hours" airframe.

>>30493561
>At LM's predicted FRP rate (17 aircraft a month), production is going to take almost 15 years.
>by that time, gen 7 fighters will be produced and the F35 will be binned, where the farce shoulda been put in the first place.

>>30494173
>Europe, not relevant, with it's longer history (excluding of course, injuns), greater cultural variety, and rich source of /k/related issues is not relevant?
You got the first three words right, at least.

>>30494941
Woah, don't kill yourself. It's just dank bantz, mate.

>>30488708
Israel is pretty lelz. Country of 6 million people with ~300 F-16's and ~90 F-15's

>>30495446
Israel is also pretty much constantly under threat of war, and has essentially been our live testing ground for like 50-60 years.

>>30492805
Our budgets are bigger than yours though....

>>30488857
No, all the Danish gov could agree on is how much they could spend on the new fighters and to try to get at least 21 of them. That 27 is as of now just a wishful up-to-number if the agreed budget allows them to get that many. The thing is however, even getting 21 is not that certain at this point because unlike EF and Boeing that submitted a binding offers, LM opted not to which has put the Danes in a peculiar situation where they have already ranked F-35 to be the cheapest fighter in the """"competition"""" but they don't know how much each plane and associated gear needed to operate them is actually going to cost

>>30492897
fight me you kartoffel-lover

>>30494128
Yep. At least we put up a fight for a few months

>>30488662
Hmm... parts for a million years? Maybe it was cheaper to buy in bulk vs buying just enough to meet the need.

>>30493209
But anon, they occupied Bornholm and still ended up letting go. Why would you wish communism on anyone, unless you're just baiting so hard it's hard to tell if you're a reasonable adult or a hateful mongoloid. You really think the US and NATO would have allowed the USSR easy access to the Baltic choke point like that? Thank fuck we only had to deal with subversive fifth-column commie bullshit and not being under their loathsome boot. Better dead than red, nigga.

>>30493218

>Giving a fuck about this

Jesus christ Billy Bob, go fucking shoot something and leave the rest of us alone.

>>30497439
Not even a clapper, but do you understand the hypocrisy of getting all butthurt about something you say I shouldn't care about? :^)

>>30489347
Also; the German airforce only needed to take one day off from bombing London and nothing in the country would stand over two feet. We still had fucking biplanes. Our army's problem have been, since 1864, book-keeper officers and meddling politicians. And if you speak out against it or suggest things could work better, your career gets blackbagged.

>>30497427
>Why would you wish communism on anyone
Says the merrifat which has been the #1 promoter of world wide communism
Without the US there would have never been communism in the first place.

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>>30497460
Now i know you're trolling. My english isn't even decent enough to be a Brit. But i'll take it as a heartfelt compliment that you seem to think i could be an American, 'cause they're actually nice people. I'm a Dane and you're obviously just slinging out all sorts of know-nothing idiocy. Read a book, you silly little idiot. Maybe you wouldn't make such a fool of yourself, then. Alternatively, you could go start an antifa thread on /pol/ and shitpost there instead.

>>30493024
i wouldn't have put much hope in overpriced american toys if i were posting from within iskander-m operational range

>>30497390
Norway has been Danish longer than it has been Norwegian.

>>30492875
>Really? Shit I though we were buying the F-18 super hornets, but mostly I'm interested in small arms not so much the planes the air force is flying

They haven't bought anything yet. Boeing just sued 'em after Danish AF recommended selecting F-35 after technical and economical evaluation.

>The danes actually have extremely well trained soldiers to compensate for their population size. They did have the highest death per capita in afghanistan but you have to consider they were smack in the middle of helmand taliban IED hell, roughest place as far as I heard.

They were in Helmand earlier on, but in later phases of ISAF they were mostly in north that is much more cozy place and are still there for RS.

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>>30489347
fuck off

>>30497427
he is a butthurt fagerman autist

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>>30493218
>Your arbitrarily assigned use of characters is retarded. I have no idea why they don't use the functionally equivalent arbitrarily assigned use that I'm familiar with.
Mirrors not invented in burgerland yet?

>>30495099
Imperial is the jew system, schlomo

>>30497707
don't forget
>pyramids built with jewish slaves

>>30495122
Sorry m8 but deep fried butter and muh microbrews =/= greater cultural variety

>>30489096
At least surrendering to Germany would most likely see the survival of your people. With Hadjis you just need to kill yourself before they grab you.

Could Denmark defeat Sweden in a war and take back its rightful clay?

>>30497883

Most likely. Sweden has a whole brigade of operational troops at best. By 2019 they should have two brigades ready so better do it quickly if you wan't to do it on easy mode.

>>30497930
Based Hillingsoe already drew up the plans for our flawless victory. Anschluss soon.

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>>30492704
Spotted the dumb burgerclap. At EU school I had to be able to pinpoint every country in the world on a map without country names on it, and we had to learn every capital too. Why is Americlap education so inferior?

>>30498153
we learned it for fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x88Z5txBc7w

>>30498153
Because we aren't such multicultural cucks that we need to know every country in the world.

Because something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

>>30492704
>culturally
>murrica
>culture

wow

>>30498126
Go ahead, if you take your clay swedens crime statistics will drop by very much.
Malmö is basically swedens Detroit and the rest of Skåne are just white trash.

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>>30489385

Alright General sure

>>30492781
Why is boing trying to trick people into buying F-18??

They tried that with Brazil, but we went for grippen instead.

>>30498205
>making fun of american culture
>on an american website
>in a while will get off his american browser and go to his american OS's desktop
>will click on an american application to stream an american show
>finishes show
>goes to play american video game

>>30492781

They are actually marketing fighters on a billboard.

>>30498223

US-Brazilian relations took a big due to Snowden leaks. Hornet was considered most likely to be selected before that.

>>30498243
>taking pride in 4chan
Who the fuck plays american video games, anyway.

>>30498200
The US is the very definition of a multicultural cuck.

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>>30498243
> on a british invented machine and worldwide network

Any shithole in eastern europe has probably yielded more poets, writers, classical painters, sculptors, architects and other artists types than any single US state

also
>4chan, american website
hint, it's a fucking jap clone

That leaves you with gun culture, I guess, but that's precisely what you missed, and on /k/ of also places
kek

P.S. Happy birth day Murica! We still love you even if we make fun of you

The Tornado F2 is fully the equal of the F-15C, and the GR4 of the F-15E.

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>>30488662
Unlike faggot Swedes, Norwegians and Finns Danes are actually serious about defense. Only Danes have earned the right to compare themselves as equals to Anglo troops. Other Nordics only know how to posture like faggots

>>30498561
Aren't the Finnish super serial about defending against possible Russian aggression.

>>30498215
Don't worry, we'll liberate all sweden and deport the durkas to germany. Soon you will be free again, jönssonbro.

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>>30489096
And in those few hours they actually managed to halt a German advance and knock out some shit using these nifty little buggers.

>>30497368
Because you stole our oil

>>30498682
Hindsight is a bitch, huh?:p

>>30498682
You stole our islands and even gave some to Scotland so your king could get laid, then you niggers gave away parts of mainland Norway to Sweden because the Danish lost battles while the Norwegian fronts generally held.

>>30493223
>implying
Other militaries are phasing the M249 out of many roles because other weapons fill its role better.

5.56 is just too light to create beaten zones worth a fuck.

>>30495446
It's proxy military for the US. It runs on US money too (though to be fair it's jews making all the money in the US.

>>30497376
>because unlike EF and Boeing that submitted a binding offers, LM opted not to which has put the Danes in a peculiar situation where they have already ranked F-35 to be the cheapest fighter in the """"competition"""" but they don't know how much each plane and associated gear needed to operate them is actually going to cost
lel, politics is the same everywhere

>>30498288
>Hornet was considered most likely to be selected before that
No it wasn't. French won the technical evaluation, and Swedes trumped that by offering economically better deal.

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>>30498561
>Finns not serious about defense

I think it makes sense they're getting F-35s.

They can't have quantity no matter what they buy, so they need something that can punch above its weight and has a chance to survive long enough to get a good number of missions in.

The F-35 has a record of handily beating anything thrown at it in simulation combat, so it's probably the best choice they have really.

>>30498648
>>30498797

They have no experience.

>>30498837
obvious bait.

>>30498843

Finns haven't shed much blood these last 70 years

>>30498875
They shed enough blood to last them 70 more.

>>30499352
I guess this means the Chinese or the Russians are the most experienced military in the world.

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>>30488708
>>30489385
Americans in charge of geography.
http://imgur.com/gallery/5YIEQ

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>>30499677

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>>30499905

>>30489385
>we in 1813 now

>>30499905
>>30499677
How do you know the anon was an American?

>>30488662
>need

>>30498875
>Finns haven't shed much blood these last 70 years

well yeah, they made it count when they had to.

when you give Ivan the giganigga a bloody nose, you don't need to throw rocks at the village idiot to feel better about yourself.

>>30499905
I like this map where did you get it? reverse image search comes up with a webcomic, just want to know if there are more?

>>30501430
It's XKCD.
https://xkcd.com/850/

>>30501097
>>30490535

>>30492781
>>30492875
>>30497638
It makes sense to me that the danes would pick the F35, since the Danish Airforce was already part of the JSF/F35 project while it was being developed and tested early on.

>>30501578
Something that is common everywhere?

I mean, you are not going to pretend the average European can name all 50 American states or 85 Russian subjects on a map are you?

>>30497427
I recall hearing about the soviets being beaten so badly by a bunch of Bornholm farmers, that they gave it back to Denmark. They didn't want it.

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>>30501709
I hears rumours but never thought it is true that Americans are sincerely convinced states and subjects are as relevant as actual legitimate countries with history.

>>30501721
That wouldn't surprise me. I know some lads from Bornholm. They're really handy when things get punchy, and proper bros.

>>30501682
Yeah, we sunk too much money into it to just let it go.

>>30499669
In an absolute sense they are though.

Moreover, suggesting that raiding goat farmers somehow qualifies as real war experience is preposterous. In fact it's been a recurrent observation that all this gearing towards fighting insurgencies has left many nations less capable of fighting a real war, because they require two very different approaches.

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>>30490535
Odd when I lived in Europe I would be amused by Euros who did not know who bordered what in the Americas. When I get in Europe I'm always amused by how locals thought a 50km drive was a big deal.

>>30488662
Planning on a defense I think. Enough Aircraft to pose some kind of defensive threat. Honestly they really need more but that's what NATO is for. With Putin in and Russia expanding it's not a abstract.

>>30499669
When was the last time USA won a war in 5 days?

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>>30495446
>Country of 6 million people

Jee I wonder why

>>30501888
>When an insecure American around me tries to banter about sizes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zm6HzN5YVI

>>30501888
>I'm always amused by how locals thought a 50km drive was a big deal.

Mind you if I pick my bike and do cyclist things I don't mind about 80kms

On the other hand if I have to pick bus+train+local transport to get to my workplace (around 60kms) I get easily pissed

If other people is driving and lets say the distance between my town and the sea is around 30kms I fucking fall asleep or the boredom skyrockets to the unknown

>>30501933
There is a lot of Geography out there folks, I don't expect people to know obscure Texas towns and Europe is chock full of places to go
( with lots of history). It's just not as important to me as it is to you. When I watch the weather report I get my local, not yours. And my local area has a pop density of about 45/km2. European countries have much higher densities. My normal weekly travel radius would be crossing several countries in Europe. So don't expect Joe Ordinary to know every detail. It is about size... Europe is small and compressed. You can have 8 native languages in a four hour drive. Modern fighter aircraft can cross European countries in the time it would take a ready crew to get a aircraft in the air. Having enough aircraft to defend your country against a emergent threat is complicated by short distances.

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>>30501780
>I can drive for half a day and pass through 5 countries with little historical or current relevance, therefore I am an expert in geography!

>>30502146
Don't for one fucking minute defend someone who claimed that Denmark and Russia share both a land a maritime border. He's a fucking moron and deserves to be treated as such.

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>>30502146
You still don't get it? Being able to name European countries properly is not the same as knowing "obscure Texas towns" or American states. Fucking Albania has more history than most of no-name American shitholes with square borders combined.

>>30502148
>American states
>Historical relevance
Lol.

>needs
Surely /k/ of all places can agree that even if you don't need something, being able to have it is nice?

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>>30502200
Thank you for acknowledging the historical irrelevance of most of Europe.

>>30502221
Former colony, please.

>>30493422
>The airframes don't have much flight time left and the avionics are getting outdated.

Is there an absolute limit to the duration a single airframe can be kept airworthy with an unlimited budget? Is there a point where the frame itself is too worn?

>>30503427
Well, you could probably do total overhauls that extend it another few thousand hours, but it'll be way more expensive each time. Fighters are race cars to a Cessna's Honda Civic.

>>30503427
>Is there a point where the frame itself is too worn?

Yes. While you can take out an engine and replace it easily once its gone past its servicable life, airframes gain stress shearing and fractures that would eventually make them too dangerous to fly.

This happens faster if you're flying them under high G loads.

>>30489405
What is having the Nazis steamroll you between breakfast and lunch?
And not wanting a repeat

>>30498561
I'm not taking your bait m8

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>>30502148
Interesting challenge, I constructed a route which entails seven countries in under 11 h. Who can do better?
>Rules
Route must link cities of regional significance or greater.