Convince me why I shouldn't have an MP5 as my primary rifle

If you actively seek out reasons not to get it, you don't actually want it.

>>30340963

Less terminal ballistics than an intermediate cartridge such as 5.56 or 7.62x39 would be enough for me to totally discount it as my primary for HD and SHTF

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>>30340963
Buy a mac10 or mac11 instead
also get one of huge suppressors to attach

>>30340975
No you actively seek out reasons not to get it, to not get it.

It's one of the final stages before buying something, where you ask your peers for more information to decide if you're making the right decision.
It's really normal human nature

>>30341006
If you like how iconic the mp5 is, by all means do it. Just know you can get a better performing gun by buying a 9mm ar15 with $1,500 which mp5's start from.

I really want to get an mp5 one day regardless

>>30340963
There's nothing wrong with that idea, its just out of many anon's price ranges.

>>30341024
>9mm
Sorry, just had to

>>30341155
Why the fuck are you even in this thread

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>>30341024
atlantic was selling mp5's last week that were $1200.

I was so close to buying but didn't, and I regret it. Now all they have left is the k (short) model.

I love the MP5 but on an objective level I don't really see the point of it over a compact SBR in something that isn't a handgun cartridge. If you like it and think its cool then do it, though.

>>30341190
>atlantic was selling mp5's last week that were $1200.

what the fuck??

>>30340993
Id love to have a fa mac. Wish I knew of a way to get a hold of one.

>>30340963
Trained with these extensively and they're a blast. No recoil, cheap ammunition, and are very compact. If you're typically shooting at 100 yards or less, and don't care about SHTF fantasies too much, then go for it.

Only complaint I can think of is there's no last round bolt hold open, but I've learned to train around it and it's not really an issue. Also, accessories can be a bit expensive.

>>30340963
i can't think of a reason for you not too.

>>30341144
that mp5 looks used at fuc
10/10

>heavier than an AR
>not any cheaper to shoot
>leagues more expensive for no good reason
>controls and ergos stuck in the 80s
>ballistically impotent
Pass. MP5 is a gun for funsies and nothing more.

>>30340975
You're supposed to research your purchases to see if you should go through with them, especially when you're about to spend several hundred dollars. Why is this odd to you?

>>30341272
They will be back

They're remarkably heavy for their size and caliber. On that particular stock, the butt of the stock feels like shit. Haven't tried others but the look flat which should be better. It should be plenty fun for plinking but it wouldn't be my choice for HD or SHTF

>>30340963
>SHTF
>9mm
You're going to want something bigger if your threat model includes people with any sort of body armor.

>>30341876
A gun is hardly ever a bad investment though

>>30343040
Minorities and their women and children don't wear body armor

>>30343065
Explosive devices can be surprisingly bullet resistant.

>>30343065
In that case an SMG is probably fine. See if you can get one with a giggle switch.

Since any MP5 in the US is either gonna be expensive as shit or semi-auto, just be a cheap-ass and build a 9mm AR.

But do what you want.

>>30343098
You can also get a Glock with giga-nigga-extendo magazines and a mechtechsys CCU if you want a 9mm carbine that badly.

>>30343102
Don't forget the $200 cuckstamp.

>>30343105
The CCU doesn't need a cuckstamp. It's ATF-legal as is.

>>30343112
Huh. How does it get away with that?

>>30343118
16" barrel. Converts to carbine and pistol at will so long as you don't put on the short one with a stock.

>>30341403
they go for about $5-8k if you can afford that, they pop up regularly

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>>30340963
This is currently my go to carbine and handgun.
I realize it's not ideal, but my AR is a WIP

>>30344207
Meant to type more, I say that to say HD I think its fine, but for SHTF I think I'd really want something that can reach out farther than a pistol chambering.

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>>30340963
>Concince me why I shouldn't have an MP5 as my primary rifle

Because it's not a rifle.

>>30341258
>I love the MP5 but on an objective level I don't really see the point of it over a compact SBR in something that isn't a handgun cartridge
Controllable full auto fire in a situation that does not require hard armor penetration. Since we can't do that, the mp5 is a pistol carbine for twice the price.

>>30344372
Better range than pistol and can be uses against soft bodied civilians during the day of the ROPE
I have a zenith mp5 for my sidearm and a ar for my primary.

If your plan is to face the armored military or police instead of murder as many liberals and shits skins as possible before order is restored leaving the nation more conservative in the end your doing it wrong.

>>30344464
>Better range than pistol
It's a carbine. You can get a freely swappable upper that puts a 16" barrel on a 1911 or Glock for a fraction of the price.

Lets assume that it's full retard... Then what? For SHTF and all

>>30340963
I can't. I really can't, anon. The MP5 is one of my dream guns, and after firing one that's been SBR'd with a collapsible stock last time I went to the range, I have had a mighty need.

>>30344476
Then how do you take advantage of a roller delay side arm ?
that literally is a factor in the range argument.

>>30341698
>heavier than an AR

Depending on the configuration, it's about as heavy as a lightweight AR build, but handles better on account of being shorter.

>not any cheaper to shoot

It is where I live, considerably.

>leagues more expensive for no good reason

True.

>controls and ergos stuck in the 80s

Ergos are good. The collapsible stock isn't as comfy as the fixed one, but it makes for a very compact package. Controls are good except for no LRBHO, which really was a stupid design choice in hindsight. With training, reloads can still be done in a decent time, but it's far from ideal.

>ballistically impotent

True, but it's fine if you don't mind being restricted to soft targets within 200 yards (frankly, this covers 99.9% of possible encounters where it's wise to even open fire).

>TFW no 10mm MP5 or UMP
I wouldn't even necessarily WANT full auto on it. I know they exist somewhere...

Does anyone familiar with how they operate think it would be possible to safely shoot 40s&w out of it, like with the glock 20?

I have a Zenith MP5 clone from Atlantic.

It's good. It'll be for fucking ever before the ATF let's me put a stock on it though.

I also have half of a 9mm AR using glock mags. It's probably the better platform of the two since parts are readily available, the railed upper allows easy mounting, and the mags are cheap and plentiful.

But the MP5 is a goddamn MP5.
John McClain didn't use an AR.
Millions of action movies didn't use the AR.
Rainbow Sox's cover didn't feature an AR.
You don't HK slap an AR.

>>30345221
>I have a Zenith MP5

>supporting terrorism

>>30345327
I don't buy from Israel

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MP5-SD coming to the market built on licensed HK tooling

Get a Kriss vector. Runs on glock mags and dank memes

Will we ever see reasonably priced mp5s? I don't want to spend $2,000 on some dipshit clone of questionable quality.

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Am I crazy for wanting one over an AR? They suppress better, they're classic, they work well, they're iconic they don't buy into any tacticool memes other than a flashlight hand guard, and they're very effective within 50m aka within 99%of engagements

>>30346161
Yes, you're crazy for wanting one. An AR pistol is better for a non-military compact option, in nearly all aspects, from cost to customization to ballistics.

You can get nearly the same ballistic performance with a 9mm pistol and have it concealable.

Last but not least, HK has a miserable track record of 2nd amendment support.

>>30345671
From MKE? Certainly not with a suppressor unless they link up with someone in the states to do a run for them.

Apparently Omega is going to be selling one through Atlantic shortly.

>>30346435
Yes from MKE, they're getting a suppressor assembly line in the states for after they ship it over, then they'll distribute it from the states with the suppressor

>>30340963
Dan we've already talked about this. There is no reason to get an overpriced smg over an ar.

>>30345327

What? I can't buy a gun that's an icon of shooting terrorists from a terrorist?

Jeez.

>>30346533
Pls go and stay go. It's an unmeasurable reason on why I want one

>>30346469
Any idea on price?

>>30345671

I don't know how I feel about this.

The SD is super cool, but it was designed at a time when subsonic 9mm or heavy JHP rounds weren't readily available. The barrel porting to bring the ammo down below supersonic was agressive enough that they're weak to the levels of a .380.

The price of a normal MP5 clone is a lot, considering the other options. I think it might be too much for a big heavy (but quiet) .380 carbine. Especially if it's a two stamp gun.

>>30346690
It'd make for a pretty good plinking gun, ammo is pretty cheap and it's all subsonic.

The kind of person who throws $2k+ at a suppressed SBR will likely look to a .300blk build for HD first.

The SD is more of a fun gun than a practical one these days.

>>30341272
It wasnt a REAL MP5, just a knock off

>>30343028
damn, that wood gave me wood

>>30343178
Once my kid is born and makes it thru the first few years.. im probably gonna go for it. I've got enough collectables to sell... as well as my racecar.. but family first yknow?

>>30346207
>9mm pistol
>ignoring the vastly different zero distances
>ignoring the benefit of a stock
>ignoring the possibility of optics

I'd say go for it unless you don't like the controls in which case go for an MPX, CZ, etc.

>>30341698
>ballistically impotent
>implying this matters.

Sure, 5.56 out of at least a 12" barrel is probably more lethal than 9x19, but not by a lot and the 9mm is gonna have a 7-9" barrel.

>>30347075
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA

>>30340963
Because it is unreasonably expensive for what your purpose is. Go get something cheaper.

>>30346161
>they don't buy into any tacticool memes
The gun ITSELF is a tacticool meme

>>30346985
If you werent already hard enough that's chambered for 10mm

>>30340963
>mp5
>cheap

Idk if I'd classify 30,000$ as cheap. Maybe if it were a house....

>>30346963
It's made to H&K spec on H&K licensed tooling. I have two and they are way better than dropping $3k on a hk parts kit build.

>>30347303
>that first comment chain

Why are irrational dipshits still trying to prove .40 or .45 is any more powerful than 9mm in a real world situation?

>>30346161
>Am I crazy for wanting one over an AR
The AR is the more practical choice in terms of money and performance. Honestly though if you ever actually need a gun for defense odds are really damn good that it will be more than enough.
So considering that it comes down to if you are willing to pay more for the aesthetics and controls both of which are simply matters of taste.
I went the ar pistol route but agree the mp5 has a 90's operator style all its own that might be worth the money.

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Evening.

Does anyone know when, or if, the CMP will get anymore Garands? They're all listed as sold out. I really wanted one to go along with my Inland Carbine.

Did I wait to long to pull the trigger on a CMP garand? Am I fucked?

>pic semi-related

>>30348351
>all its own that might be worth the money.

It totally is

Get an MPX instead.
>Actually available
>Cost less than an MP5
>Caliber swap capabilities.

>>30348407
80% chance your fucked, don't worry dude. Trumps coming, and then maybe the cmp will be flush with cuban garands...


>motherfucker can dream.

>>30340963

It's not a rifle.

>>30348407
going through the email I got from the CMP back in May, they've just closed sales until they fill their back orders.

The email says to expect a six month delay until orders are opened back up.

Relax nerds, there's likely still going to be Garands in the future.

>>30348407
They have the Garands, they have just been overwhelmed by orders so they stopped taking them while they catch up. The Carbine rush they had February 1st really set them back since they were getting something like 8 tubs of mail a day.
Its been said they will start taking orders 4-6 months from now.

I sent in my order for a service grade the beginning of february and it took 4 months to get it, The one i got was made April 1943

>>30341144
Goddam that gun has a lot of personality. I like.

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>>30340963
got mine.

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I'm happy with mine just need to wait for SBR laws to go away forever.

>>30340963
>It's not a rifle.

>>30345057
Shoot a .40 out of a 10mm

Consider killing yourself

>>30349932
whats with the straw

>>30350055
it's a cleaning/patch rod.

>>30345057

Uhhh, they do?

http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=90:mp510-a-40-series&

>>30346963
Licensed tooling, both the paki POF and Turk MKE/Zenith ones

>>30340963
I'd rather convince you to buy a PS90, which would actually be less shit.

9mm is actually retarded when an intermediate cartridge is an option.

>>30341403
subguns classifieds, gunbroker search for "transferable", gun shows. Hell, local SOT has a dozen M11s and M10s they're trying to unload.

>>30350045
It can be done, noguns

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>>30340963
>Cheap

What the fuck are you smoking, the cheapest MP5 you can get in the US is EASILY around 10k unless you do get your FFL and do a deal sample order, and even then its still going to be around 10k+ after all the work you put into getting it.

>>30350756
>being this autistic

OP's clearly talking about semi-automatic versions

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>>30345057
here you go

http://brethrenarms.com/product/bap-10mm/

>b-b-but it's expensive!!!1

that's what you get when you want to meme around. Oh and enjoy the $100 magazines and retarded maintenance.

>>30340963
because pistol rounds suck at killing people. buy a rifle, not a neutered machine gun.

>>30351183
which are still a little pricey against the competitors
but I think OP meant the ammo was what's cheap

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>>30348796
>MPX

uhh what...? Literally who?? I have never heard of such a gun. Does it even have a legacy, any history..? Who uses it???

??? ?????

>>30340963
Stop overthinking things, Dan

>>30351420
Are you retarded? Fuck off back to whatever shithole you came out of newfag

>>30340987
>terminal ballistics
relevant to
>home defense

do you live in an abandoned warehouse or something?

>>30345022
>soft targets

I would add however that +p 9mm will penetrate soft armor. Soft targets to me implies unarmored. So... anyway. It's something.

>>30348114
>Cal. 9mmx19 rollmark clearly visible in the mag well

>>30347303
Not who you replied to, but it's pretty asinine to think that that's all there is to it. Dead is dead, whether it comes from 9mm or 5.56. You could die from an atom bomb or a knife in the heart, both are dead.

There's much more to shooting people than "THIS BULLET DOES MORE DAMAGE" like 9mm does 10 damage and 5.56 does 30 and everyone has 100 health. This isn't a fuckin video game.

>>30341190
I'd take the K over the full-length tbqh

>>30351420
nice shitpost

>>30341698
>>ballistically impotent
5.56x45mm for home defense is pretty much overkill. First, the average burglar is not a hardcore SWAT trooper wearing body armor and ballistic helmet. Therefore, penetration is not crucial. Also, in case of home defense, you want to avoid over penetration. So, steel core 5.56mm is out of question. Then, unless you're an African dictator, you don't live in a gigantic palace where range could be an issue. A 9mm SMG has more than enough range for what you need. Finally, if we speak of terminal ballistic, solid hits from 9x19mm hollow point rounds will kill him just as dead as 5.56x45mm would.

This would lead me to the advantages of a 9mm SMG over a 5.56mm carbine. In my opinion there are two advantages. The first would be recoil. 5.56 recoils more than 9mm. It doesn't have much recoil, but it still recoils more than 9mm. Second advantage is the reduced blast of the 9x19mm round over 5.56x45mm.

>>30355566
What a bunch of bullshit. You know nothing of what you speak

>>30355566
>Reduced blast
Why do AR fags always ignore this? An unsuppressed 5.56 SBR will damage the hell out of your ears.

>>30355566
>5.56mm overpentatration

>>30340963
here in the Philippines you can get a full auto chink norinco mp5 for like $800-1000

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Don't buy a MP5.

Buy two MP5s.

Be the scales of justice, conductor of the choir of death.

>>30340963
the action is a pain in the proverbial to fix or do long term maintenance on

>>30355729
Care to elaborate? What's hard about it? Fitting? Small parts? Complicated assembly?

Really actually asking, not trying to be a sarcastic douche.

>>30340975
This is bad advice. It's a good idea to seek out reasons not to make a purchase. That way, if the biggest drawbacks are of no real concern to you, you can feel confident in buying the item.

>>30341481
>and don't care about SHTF fantasies too much,

Why are SHTF fantasies even a thing. This is not hollywood. something will not happen that will instantly turn the world into mad max

Local governments will do many things to try and help any situation that arises. the national guard and police will not instantly get raptured.

You cant just go around shooting things and amasing a pile of loot.

>>30360186
>Why are SHTF fantasies even a thing
Because for whatever reason, survivalist fantasies are something you need to pay lip service to if you are a gun owner.

This is the kind of shit we really ought to cut loose.