/k/, I'm scared as fuck. All this shilling, anti's

>>30294174
hide guns wait for a leader to come out and tell us to take up arms.

what does /k/ think about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dukcOQ5DJQ

I live in Europe and let me tell you something:

1 third of your fucking population is armed you fucking moron they won't be able to do 1 fucking thing

>>30294182
That's pretty much where I'm at. I hope I'm not too old when it happens

>>30294182
Take up ARMs my k/ Brother. We will take back Washington DC, and hang these traitors to the American nation, many of us may fall in battle (tripping over these cowards as they cower on the floor.)

Force all of California legislators on their knees for violating the civil liberties of the 2nd amendment by trying to make America a far shittier place.

Set free all out brothers and sisters in prison that the ATF bent over and ass fucked

Lock up all liberal anti gunners in prison and forger about where the keys are.

ect...ect...ect.
Oh and down forget your dildo bayonets.

Stay classy my friends.

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>>30294265

>>30294174
We either need a rapture or a plague.

I'm not very hopeful for the first so I guess it's up to the second.

Plagues are bad because indiscriminate but overall the weak (femboi pusscake liberals) will be outlived by the strong (gun owners willing to hunt / fight to live)

Or another world war.

>>30294174
you're literally advocating the selling of weapons to enemies of the state. you're a traitor.

>>30294291
This Country is becoming less and less about what it was then ever. In truth he is probably more in line with the founding fathers then these fuckers in power now thus making him the good guy to me.

>>30294291
the state is the enemy of the people ever since 1913

>>30294370
the founding fathers did not treat traitors who provided logistical support to our enemies with hugs and kisses.

>>30294197
>gun deaths
>us government spends a lot of money on the military so obviously you can't fight them and should never try
that video is retarded.

>>30294389
the state IS the people you non-voting, non-serving, probably tax dodging piece of shit.

>>30294197
>australia hasn't had mass shootings since their ban
>australian crime hasn't been dropping at the same rate as new zealand and slower than us over the same period
wow, this video just keeps getting more and more wrong.

>>30294412
sauce on the first?

>>30294263
7 more years is my guess. False sense of security is needed first

>>30294403
>Implying the State is the people after WWII

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>>30294265
Imagine the art. Revolutionaries with dildo bayonets.

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>>30294174
a liberal is a conservative that hasnt been mugged yet

just like how people that protest the hardest against abortion [little old ladies] are the people least likely to need to exercise that right, the anti-gun crowd are suburban soccer moms that are the least likely people to need to exercise the right to defend themselves.

know thine enemy.

>>30294174
I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is seeking independence by the Independista Party (Independent Party) after a supreme court decision stating the island's status of a commonwealh is basically a colony (We all knew this but the Independents needed legal backing). If my country becomes independent, all of my people are fucked over thanks to the commie corrupt bastards running this government. Chances of it being an oligarchy is high, but there also higher chance sof it being a tyrant one party socialist state if the independistas gain power. The good news is if that were to happen, you can invade the island without fear of attacking the Feds due to us no longer being affiliated as a US territory. Feel free to organize a successful Bay of Pigs Invasion.

>Libcucks

If you can't keep yourself from using language that suggests that you do in fact consider guns and genitalia to be connected then as long as it's up to you and your peers it won't stop short of your figurative, but complete, castration.

>>30294197

Video is fucking stupid, don't bother to watch. Choice quotes include

>US government is too big to fight, just bend over and take it

>Drone strikes on US soil are a logical thing

>having less guns makes us safer. Hand in your firearms so that we can be safe and no one will feel the need to be armed

>massive gang shooting in Chicago are because of limited police resources. You should trust the government and police to fully protect you and have no responsibility for your own safety.

>once again ignores the firearms already in circulation and beleives a ban on firearms would somehow make all of them disappear

>>30294174
I've been bringing up the fact that they are wanting to surrender their freedom to people "living in an unrecognized state that has no natural resources besides oil and beheading videos" and if that is all it takes for them to roll over I am personally going to restart the Confederacy, maybe by Christmas we will have the country back.

They want to point and focuses on the guns so much but when you bring out the bigger picture it changes things.

>>30295554
Remember that hostage crisis that happened awhile back? An isis affiliated terrorist held a bunch of people at gun point inside I think it wad a cafe thst ended in a gun fight with police.

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I understand. The world goes apeshit and suddenly we're the bad guys. More ironically considering that a CHP is colloquially called a "good guy card".
Keep your head down, count your shots and watch your votes, anon. We weather the storm and affect change & culture the best we can. For now, let the autists sperge, keep calm and carry.

>>30294227
This.

>>30294174
Don't argue against the Atti's. It's not worth your time. They're brainwashed useful idiots and nothing will change that short of a life altering event.

Focus on the middle. It's more effective to educate and potentially make a convert out of someone in the middle than it is to sling mud and shit at a rival monkey.

The only reason to argue against antis is if there's a large audience and you have enough argumentative skill to actually win. That'll sway a bunch of normies.

>>30294394
The founding fathers WERE traitors.

This is such a huge challenge for the US

You have a great amount of weapons and a huge amount of arms Olinda one hand, but in the other hand you have these horrible and ever increasing mass shootings.

And that's the scary part. The shootings indicate changes in society, a thing that cannot be stopped with more or less guns.

I overpaid for a bunch of PMags after Sandy Hook, and I'm trying to make my money back by screaming about a potential ban.

>>30294283

>weak die strong live rwarrrr!

The thing that made the most recent 2008 flu scare so fucking scary is that it hit the young and strong as well as those on either side. No amount of fighting or hunting is going to be able to combat Ebola-chan.

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>>30296096
I'm with you brother, you start something me and many others will go with you till the end

>>30296373
>tfw I remember the 130 dollar GI mags on cheaper than dirt
>tfw tapco shit ak mags were 75 bucks at a gun show

>tfw never again ®

I had been planning on doing a bulk buy for mags before the election but I think like a lot of people the shooting just made us buy them sooner rather than later

>mfw I got pmags for 8.50 each shipping included
>mfw now the cheapest pmags are around 12 bucks
>merchant.jpg

>>30296404
>if only bundy tried to take over the wildlife refuge now, he would have had so much more support.

>>30294174
When you argue with a libshit you're not arguing to change their mind, you're arguing to influence everyone else who's watching.

The media and shills have kicked it up to 11 in an attempt to desperately rewrite the narrative on the Orlando shooting. Just weather the storm, you'll make it through.

Also, contact your reps, the nra-ila, and trump and tell them all that they're selling you out and why. Then, get everyone else you know to do the same. That'll do more good than any amount of arguing on Facebook

>>30294174
If guns are fullspread banned, how many owners do you think will say "eh fuck it" and just shoot up their closest whatever? Just imagine a few hundred thousand extremists say fuck it and go mass murder their local federal building and go all timothy mcvay to give gun owners a bad name.

>>30294403
Lol did you just finish 6th grade american history? The government is a cancer that must replicate itself or die out. We are subject to regulations made by some unelected official for no reason other than to justify his position. With the two party system, we are presented with two lame choices for every elected position, and you know they are serving the party not the people otherwise they would have no career. Yep, we are pretty much a resource to be exploited by those in power.

>>30296469
Yeah, buddy! You rage against that machine!

>>30294174

If sandy hook didn't get any "meaningful" gun control accomplished, then orlando certainly won't. I wouldn't worry about it, at least on a federal level. If you're in California or new York then the constitution doesn't apply to you so you can say goodbye to your rights

>>30295591

>know thine enemy

What I know is that's a fucking sexually arousing little carbine ya got there.

Parts? Where do I get one?

>>30296394
vomit desu
blood diarrhea moshi moshi
face blood senpai

>>30294174
>since 2013
since the 1980's you mean.

>>30295586
The lib-cucks stole all the artists, theres nobody left.

>>30296373
You filthy kike

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>>30294197
this is rediculous. some of his facts may be true. i obviously have not checked them. but it doesnt change the fact that having the ability is still your right. his defeatist attitude is a little disgusting. jsut becasue you talk smart and fast doesnt meen your rite.

>>30294174
Alright op

I'm a mild anti, but honestly the dialogue in the us is fucked up.

Liberals are so viscerally for an all-around ban and have been trying to fuck with gun owner in so many pesky ways that any compromise is now impossible.

I mean, background checks and registration are basic measures that are fucking normal anywhere else and won't prevent regular reasonable folks from having fun. Bit today the gun scene is so traumatized with all the dem absurd legislations that everybody is dead set against them, arguing that its the first step to full ban (which is idiotic but I understand why they feel that way!).
So today any mongoloid with asburgers can buy an ar15 or an ak and mass shoot the school where he is bullied, same for Muhammad al Kill-whites that comes back from Syria and has been arrested a dozen times for violence.

>>30296361
And thank God they were.

>>30296611
If you think about it, French people didn't have cc permits and FN-fals stored in their basement when the revolution started. They went to the Bastille and seized guns and cannons

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>>30294174
Ive stopped caring all together.
One thing ive learn about political debates is nobody wants to actually debate, they want to hear themselves talk and get their egos stroked, whether its guns or not.
Ive already had a few arguments with people over this. Ive sited my sources, shown them the stats and math dispriving their arguemtns and I stil get them shaking their heads going
>anon you just dont get it. Guns are just abd, I dont care what you say, youre wrong and worse you dont care about the victims"
stick to your principals, have the facts to back up your point, but dont let it get to you. I own guns, theyre not going to take them away from me. If somebody asks my opinion and is genuinely curious about it ill tell them
thats all I can do

>>30296322
THIS
H
I
S

Normal, reasonable, moderate folks are the vast, vast majority of people. MODERATES are the people we need to focus on.

Educate them. Walk them through the idea philosophical underpinnings of the idea that personal protection is a natural, universal human right (God-given, if you will).

If people want to feel feels, let them! There is a humanitarian argument to be made here. Depriving people of basic human rights is cruel, and safety is a human right. Criminalizing everything under the sun and arbitrarily incarcerating harmless hobbyists is absurd.

Then hit 'em with the stats and demonstrate that the numbers are on the side of armed citizenry.

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>>30294182
That sounds vaguely similar.

>>30294227
>>1 third of your fucking population is armed you fucking moron they won't be able to do 1 fucking thing

I have no desire to break the law though, I don't want to be a criminal, I don't want to hurt anyone, even if the law is not enforced and no one cares I don't want to break it.

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Nothing is getting passed. This is all theatrics from the dem party base. Anything to distract from trump.

>>30297799
That's not to say our side shouldn't show up to the fight. And they will, so I'm not worried.

If anything, an attack on 2A is going to bring folks that were tepid on Trump before out of the woodworks. They're shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak.

All this is doing is giving people that got flayed buying Sandy Hook ARs at a 300% markup a chance to unload.

what's so hard to understand about being prepared? It's the Scout motto for fuck's sake.

>>30297873
I'm stunned dems are doing this right now. This is the same crap that cost them congress in the 90s and Al Gore the presidency. Haven't they learned?

>>30296616
There shouldn't be lists, shall not be infringed, if the fucker can't be trusted with a gun why trust them on the street? Crazy can go to the home store and buy fertilizer Timothy McVey style and kill more than 50 people, and that guy went to the police academy so presumably the terrorist knew how to shoot, also sure ISIS could smuggle a rifle to him if need be. Or better yet use castor beans to make ricin and hand out fag cookies or whatnot, maybe drive a bulldozer into a gay pride parade, bet you get more than 50 dead in both cases.

Also, if just banning scary "assault weapons" then you need to ban WWI bolt action rifles as they can be easily converted to semi auto via a "trench magazine" (Google it) and Pedersen device which you replace the bolt with to make just like a more highly powered AR-15 8mm tank buster.

And of these lists? I say we place all Americans on the watch list, then we create a non-watch list of people like cops and military who can purchaee firearms and travel without being watched. Gun ban without banning guns and important people like celebrities and politicians can still get them when wanted.

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>>30294182
TAKE UP ARMS.
THE DAY IS LONG PAST.
PREPARE.
,|||.

>>30297774
Not fighting tooth and nail for America's integrity is breaking the law, you invalid. Literally breaking it and rendering it unsound.

This round is different since there's now proof of legally bought guns used in a terror attack.

Even the republicans will be on board this tine since they place such a high priority pn stopping terrorists.

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>>30297957
No legislation will be passed. This is just an effort to get the Sanders supporters back under the nominee.

Your guns are safe. Nothing will pass in an election year. Especially this election year.

>>30294283

This desu,

Amphibious and aerial assaults on Shanghai when?

>>30294174

Is this the end, /k/?

>>30298034
name that revolver and why I should buy one

>>30298071
I think it is. It's all ogre now.

>>30298074
It's a chiappa Rhino. It's really complex design.

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repeat after me, OP

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
COLD DEAD FINGERS
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
COLD DEAD FINGERS
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
COLD DEAD FINGERS

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>>30298132
I WANT IT

>>30298071
California is done, we've been stripped of our civil rights by a Bill Clinton appointed federal judge and now we're waiting for Gov Brown to sit back and allow all these crazy anti gun measures. The ammo one pisses me off the most as some ammunition can't be found at stores and must be bought online, like say 7.7 Japanese, and the others are designed as stepping stones to a total ban without grandfather clauses like my 1990s California gun buying a days.

>>30294174

Can't wait till assault rifles are banned, it's fucking ridiculous that civvies can get them

>>30298210
Stop.

>>30294174
Do what I do stay away from cuckbook for a few weeks, STAY away from media related cuck material, and take care of your weapons and the people that mean the most to you reassurance is paramount. Remember libs will want all they want but can't have their cake and eat it too or someshit. That's a fucking stop sign you douche!

>>30298230

Why don't you stop enabling mass shooters?

>>30296616
You are the exact type of person he's talking about you blithering fucking idiot

>>30298266
Dude, no need to give the thread a bump, stop being stupid and don't respond.

I guess you are 2/10 so far

>>30298195
Can confirm. I visited home after getting out of college, and nearly all of my formerly pro-gun friends, even the ones that joined the military, have turned anti-gun. Their explicit reason was that this is a terrorist attack so they see the need for restrictions in the name of greater security.

I lost all progress I've made with my family who seem to have forgotten about the concept of semi-auto, or that "assault weapons" features are purely cosmetic, or that you can use them to defend yourself.

I need to get out of this state ASAP but the family is pretty intent on keeping me here. I'm on the wait list for a grad school in New York so hopefully I'll go there since it's somehow now less shit than California and the school is decently close to the Pennsylvania border.

I think a lot of you need to understand that we really did win the PR war and the political game back in 2013.

A lot of people have been debating smartly and hard in person and in social media to thin the ranks of the anti gunners.

A lot of people went out of their way to teach noguns how to gun, and it has all payed off.

We face a new war, and if we want to win this one, we have to convince others that we are right or at least they are wrong.

>>30298266
Ok. We get rid of gun free zones.

>>30298243
What happens when the people that care most about you are the ones spewing anti-gun shit?

>>30298282

Why do you enable these things? Do you have no empathy? This is an honest question. I think only LEO's and vets should have these weapons.

Is there any practical use for an assault rifle in the civilian world besides a mass shooting? Think the chinese are gonna parachute in and you'll get to play CoD irl?

>>30298176
Not him, but they're not terribly expensive, and they come in a variety of finishes and barrels lengths as well
I hate that they released a 40S&W version but no 10mm

>>30298288
We'll lose this one since it's a terrorism issue now which unites everyone from both parties (and most independents too).

>>30297957
They're eternal optimists, and a big show of "deebly goncerned" is just as, if not more, important than actually getting something done.

See: social media """"activism""""

>>30298299
Just let them know "That even though you disagree with me you will always need that someone with a gun to save you in a situation that calls for one. Just know that I am that someone because, the person you call will be there to save what's left of you." If they don't get that forget it you know in your heart and right mind that guns save lives.

>>30298312
The worst part is that they've twisted the narrative hard enough to strip any association with Islam from this event.
This should not have happened

>>30298299
Go buy a couple plumbing pipes about a foot long with end caps and leave them on the kitchen table, maybe a jar with gasoline in it, and those are also legal. Maybe a can of rat poison in your room???

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>>30298312
Truth is on our side.

Not a gun law in the world would have stopped the shooting -- see Paris November 2015.

A ban on "Gun Free Zones" would have stopped it. See Texas Cartoon Shooting.

This is literally not debatable. No gun law passed over this tragedy is defensible and you can literally take that point and slap in the face of ANY politician or liberal crybaby and tell them that it's proof they don't give a flying fuck about the victims and are actually CELEBRATING the murders as a chance to take away Constitutionally appointed liberties.

>>30298243
Guh I hate how my phone doesn't stop voice commands right away!

>>30296361
Stay mad, britbong :^)

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>>30298350

Literally not an argument

>>30298341
The truth won't help us preserve our rights since it's not the Truth(tm) that the libtards preach.

>>30298283
Keep in mind this is a "conservative" area of California. Now you get the stunning combination of islamophobe, homophobe, and hoplophobe all in one person.

>>30298363
It's indisputable, though. It cannot be countered in a facebook post, on the street, on the phone, or in court. I've never seen the argument fail. I HAVE seen people swayed by it. It takes the logical, moral, and emotional highground. Liberals might ignore facts and logic, but when you hold the emotional high ground (proof that they don't care about the victims) it shuts them up like a mousetrap.

>>30298332
We made a mistake assuming they would jump to Islam right away and stayed silent.

>>30298401
I've just seen them turn it against the debater claiming he doesn't care about (future?) victims and then shutting their ears and shouting him down.

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>>30298307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StyMzAqL-90

>>30298414
No you haven't, or the debater was an idiot. If gun laws couldn't stop THIS shooting, how the FUCK would it stop the next? A ban on Gun Free Zones would stop it cold, though. Once again, Paris November 2015 vs. Texas Cartoon Shooting.

>>30296502
Faggot Redditor detected

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>>30298306
Only cops should have them huh? Pic related

>>30298306
Is there any practical use for a cable modem in the civilian world besides a downloading child pornography? Think the chinese are gonna parachute in and you'll get to play Watchdogs irl?

>>30298306
You think PTSD stricken warriors need select fire weaponry? Youre a special kind of shit head, aint you?

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Alright /k/

I always thought that if 20 dead kids couldn't get guns banned, nothing would but this last one seems to have changed things.
I don't think they'll be able to get a full assault weapons ban, but I'm not 100% sure on this. They might get a partial ban, but I think it will be similar to the last one where only certain models are banned, not all semi automatic rifles. They might get high cap mags as well, idk
I think they'll be able to get universal background checks and a ban on those on the stupid terror watch list. So say goodbye to private sales.

Why are mass shootings becoming more common? I think this is one think the anti's are right about.
What's changed? Why are they doing it?
People who say Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since the ban there are right even though the violent crime has gone up.

Have we finally lost the battle?

>>30298944
I think so. Might be a good time to stock up on PVC and shovels.

>>30298944
>Why are mass shootings becoming more common? I think this is one think the anti's are right about.
>What's changed? Why are they doing it?
It's ISIS dummy

>>30298944
No, we haven't.

It was just like this immediately following Sandy Vagina.

All ya gotta do is point out that there are over 1 million AR15's in the US and yet they kill fewer people than fists.

In the last 10 years, 1050 people have died in mass shootings. In that same time period, 35,000 drowned. If mass shootings are an actual national problem, drowning must be a national catastrophe.

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>>30298966
Don't forget Sandy Vagina, Batman, Fort Hood and the others

We didn't have these types of shootings even 15 years ago at the frequency they're happening now.
America isn't the only country with guns but it seems to have this persistent, albeit recent problem. That's what I can't figure out.
And even the terrorist attacks aren't being called terrorist attacks. They're being blamed on access to guns.

>>30298981
But you can't use logic with these people.

The media is calling for full on bans. They aren't even hiding behind the lie of no one wants to take your guns.
They're admitting they want to take away the guns. They don't care anymore, that's what scares me.

>>30299024
They admitted it after Sandy Vagina too.

Republicans own Congress. As long as thats true, libs can't do shit.

>>30296516
Looks like a circle 10 lower

>>30298944
>Why are mass shootings becoming more common?
>What's changed? Why are they doing it?
Personally I feel it's a two pronged question. The first part is that mass shootings are in vogue. If you want to be infamous in our generation you shoot up a school, much like how a generation ago you killed a bunch of prostitutes and buried them in your basement.

The second part has long seemed to me to be a psychological problem akin to Amok. You've got people going out with the intention of causing as much harm as possible to other people before they're brought down. They want to prove their ability to control the world and make sure others know it before they die.

Lanza was the first type, he wanted to be the high scorer. /r9k/ over in CA whose name I can't remember was the second. Mateen and San Bernadino aren't really either, he's just a religious extremist who wanted to kill the foes of his religion.

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>>30299056
>They admitted it after Sandy Vagina too.
Only a few of the radicals did iirc. Now all of them are.

It used to be "No one is coming for your guns you paranoid dummy, we just want COMMON SENSE gun laws"

Now it's simply
>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
>YOU DON'T NEED WEAPONS OF WAR
>YOU CAN'T/DON'T HUNT WITH THEM
>YOU CAN'T/DON'T SELF DEFENSE WITH THEM
>BAN THEM!!
>BAN THEM!!
>IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE A HEARTLESS MANIAC LOOK EVEN MY FRIEND IN THE ARMY WANTS THEM BANNED!!

Some of the GOP and Republican talking head are even starting to cave.
And now with Scalia dead they're trying their damnedest to get a liberal Justice in the SC, with talks of striking down Heller.

I don't remember the first Assault Weapons Ban, but was it this bad?
Even if it passes what are the chances it will get another sunset provision?
Everyone knows that once gun laws are passed, at least on the federal level they are pretty much set in stone because no politician wants to be known for putting guns back on the street.

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>>30299024
This is how you sell air time and ad space and win votes. They know their target audience.

Perhaps a third of your countrymen want you want or imprisoned over a ginned-up ideological quarrel over an inanimate object. Most of another third doesn't care.

>>30299153
>want you want
Want you DEAD. God damn your black ass, autocorrect...

>>30299024
>The media is calling for full on bans. They aren't even hiding behind the lie of no one wants to take your guns.
>They're admitting they want to take away the guns. They don't care anymore, that's what scares me.
That's how you know they're desperate. Their only hope is to whip up the populace into a frenzy and hope they reach the critical mass of rage that will cause congress to act, because their incremental plans are all dead on arrival over there.

But console yourself, anon, support for gun ownership is at the highest levels it has been since people started polling about it. And rising steadily.

>>30299193
It's falling now that it's a terrorism issue.

>>30299227
Not to mention all the fudds who think it's ok to ban black rifles as long as they keep their lever actions and wood guns

Using the terrorists can buy guns to kill you is a great way to get 60 year old people who watch daytime Fox News to vote in your favor

>>30296502
Eat shit boot licker.

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>>30298359
I love he draws this then turns around and cries about how the second Trump is sworn in, it'll be full blown Nazism and gas chambers.

>>30299251
I don't think there are any left. Everyone's been clubbed over the head so hard so many times the dimmest of eyes have been opened. The only people left who toe the 'sporting purposes' line are self-confessed liberals who happen to own firearms.... some of whom frequent /k/.

>>30299024
We didn't have a faggot and failure of a president 15 years ago. We also became more morally corrupt and cowardly between 2001 and now.

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>>30299540
>2001 was 15 years ago.

I'm pretty sure he was the faggot and failure of a president partly responsible for the mess we're in now.

>>30299024
Cuntstein is 82 years old. She and Ginsburg are on their way out, given just a few more years.

I will be throwing a party the day that either of them dies and praying to the /k/ube for delivering us from them.

>>30299540
Both of these are demonstrably false statements.

>>30299301

I honestly admire David Horsey's ability to piss me off faster and deeper than any other political cartoonist, ever. It's definitely a talent. I still would prefer it if he went somewhere else and never came back.

>>30296616
Yknow man I'm pretty SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED myself but I appreciate moderation, and I do want to find laws to prevent mass shootings (even if just to get people off my back for owning a gun). I think you're spot on, and I would even support something like licensing if it were on a shall-issue basis that couldn't be corrupted by anti-gun politicians the way some CCW jurisdictions are.

One thing that I cannot abide:
>registration
There hasn't been any proof that registration works, and it's most effective at confiscation. If I hadn't left CA a few years ago I'd have registered guns that are now on the list to be confiscated if the governor signs anti-gun bills. It's probably the most insidious form of gun control.

Am I the only one who noticed the dems are really after the 4th Amendment? They want super secret lists and the ability to ruin the lives of people who speak out against them. The 2nd is their vehicle to get people to miss the point.

>>30298281
Who are you talking to?

As I said, on overall I believe that in absolute, no guns are better than plenty gun for a society. Not here to start a debate about it.
I do also enjoy shooting them and believe that there are a bunch of responsible adults that can handle them properly, thus making guns in the right hands pretty safe. Same goes for alcohol, it's inherently toxic and dangerous, but with the right legislation and personal responsible behaviour I think we can enjoy it without banning it totally.

Thing is todays legislation is not adapted, in some places you have retarded arbitrary rules.like no high cap magazines or no folding stocks, and in other places big loopholes that allow anybody to buy anything.
Trying to ban gun features or gun "categories" is stupid and is just petty revenge from dems clawing at what they can to make guns owner life's impossible.

But meanwhile the gun crowd is just too traumatized to do anything else than cry and post snekky memes at any initiative of reform.
You guys should offer proposition and initiatives in the right way, you don't want big guv making opaque lists with shady criterias?
Support legislation for background checks with proper Democratic control of the FBI verification. How hard is that?

>>30299690
The weird thing about him is that he was super into Ron Paul at one point.

>>30294174
triggered

>>30299725
>proper Democratic control of the FBI verification
So let the party that hates gun owners determine which gun owner can get a gun?

No way this can go wrong.

>>30294174
>and this shit filibuster are sending chills down my spine.
Anon, when you have to filibuster the Senate because they won't look at your special snowflake laws, it means you have no chance in hell of getting it passed. That your legal fanfiction inspires less interest than obscure internet fetishes do.

You filibuster so that laws can't be passed, not so that you can try to pass them.

The Republicans should have let the Democrats filibuster until the Government shut down and then called them out for being the idiots they are.

What do we do if the Dems control the Supreme Court like>>30299151

>>30294403
The state represents the people and its existence is tolerated by the people.

It's goal should be to be the people perhaps, but it isn't just automatically the people.

It's literally part of our fundamental social contract in forming the United States to revere the argument set forth in the Declaration of Independence and therefore only to respect a government for it's pragmatic value and not just because in a legally positive sense it exists.

Pragmatism is a better ontology than positivism any day.

I can't personally remember the last time I sold a gun person-to-person, but the fact that NICS isn't available to the general public is pretty stupid.

If I had access to it, I'd voluntarily call to verify somebody before selling them a gun or we just wouldn't do business. No offense to anybody but if there's an easy way for me to tell if Jamal Bin Rodriguez is a good dude or not, I'm going to do it.

Not to say it should be mandatory. If I'm selling it to a family friend or sibling or something there's absolutely no reason to.

>>30299708
>I would even support something like licensing if it were on a shall-issue basis that couldn't be corrupted by anti-gun politicians the way some CCW jurisdictions are.

>couldn't be corrupted by anti-gun politicians the way some CCW jurisdictions are.

>couldn't be corrupted

heres the problem

ITT: potential right-wing death squad members in the Second American Civil War talk about the freedom to kill others

I save /k/ threads so I can have future evidence of the "Second Lost Cause".

WE WUZ PROTEKTIN DA BILL OF RIGHTS will become the new WE WUZ PROTEKTIN STATES' RIGHTS, a bullshit attempt to wrap yourself in the flag so you can commit heinous crimes against humanity

Suck my fucking dick, faggots

>>30299759
>If I'm selling it to a family friend or sibling or something there's absolutely no reason to
That's the whole point. It will only punish you

Do you really think Tyrone is going to start conducting background checks he knows he can't pass to buy a stolen gun from Jamal?
Who's going to enforce that?

It's another pointless feel good measure to make it look like they're "doing something"

>>30299782
australia pls go

>>30299754
Happenings: Shrillery edition.

Democrats gonna push too far and the pissed off republican chunk is going to go apeshit. Meaning the fast track to full on civil war.

Hopefully a majority of military and leos do the smart thing ala go neutral or back the free side to end the conflict quick. Otherwise we Somalia with nukes then.

>>30297769
Yes the man who wanted and made sure guns were outlawed told his people to take up arms.
Leading a military =/= leading some kind of revolution
now I think it's stupid but comparing to hitler is even worse

>>30294227

This. OP, you ain't got shit to worry about. This particular shooting has too many 'variables'. On one hand, you've got a dude with a 'scary tacticool salt wifle with patent 47 baby killing technology'. On the other hand, he's Muslim. The nifty thing is that anti-gunners tend to forget shit real fast when a minority of any kind is involved. Also the fact he 'swore allegiance to ISIS' just helps our case.

If this was a white guy who shot up a gay club because he was part of the Ku Klux Klan or some shit, then you'd have something to worry about.

>>30299800
>mfw all the anglo gun grabber countries now have their pathetic government or terrorist attacks just like the Americans they made fun of.

>>30299843
All the other variable besides the assault weapon angle have been tossed out of the media narrative. They only bring up the Muslim shit to justify why gun control would be a anti-terrorist security measure.

The right made a mistake by staying quiet in the initial 72 hours and hoping the Islamic terror part would dominate. This allowed the left to play up the gun angle to what we see today.

>>30296552
>implying art is hard
Art is the physical manifestation of emotion or feeling.
>what are memes

>>30299863

Trust me, it's still not nearly as bad as Sandy Hook was about this time.

>>30299874
Yeah you're right. It's worse since now they can get the Republicans on board since gun control is now terrorist control too.

I should also mention that for you do-nothings counting on your local LEOs not to enforce potential new anti-gun laws that this applies to you too.

Your LEOs prize stopping terrorism more than preserving your freedom. They might have said some pro-gun comments back when there were non-muslim terrorist shootings, but consider that null and void now considering that Orlando was an act of terror using legally bought guns.

>>30299874
>New York Times (Dec. 4, 2015)
“It is past time to stop talking about halting the spread of firearms, and instead to reduce their number drastically — eliminating some large categories of weapons and ammunition…It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation…Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.”
>The Huffington Post (Dec 7, 2015)
“One may say that the Supreme Court, after 250 years in which the Second Amendment was read as allowing only a well-regulated militia to have guns, recently reinterpreted it to mean that there is an individualized right to own guns. This suggests that we may have to get to domestic disarmament through the back door. Above all, domestic disarmament is a true, compelling vision which cannot be said about the small gun control measures that are currently promoted by some of the most enlightened people among us.”
>CNN.com (January 8, 2016) W. Kamau Bell
“And let me be clear about something else, gun owners. I want President Obama to want to take your guns away. I don't trust you with your guns. I don't trust you to fire them safely. I don't trust you to store them safely. I don't trust your kids not to find them. I don't trust you not to get them stolen.
I don't trust you not to issue a blanket blame of everyone with mental health issues every time there is a mass shooting, even though we all know that for the most part people with mental health issues are only dangerous to a pint of Ben & Jerry's."

I don't know man, they're being a lot more clear about it this time.

>>30299892

I don't fully depend on my LEOs for a situation that involves my life, thus why I carry.

However, again, I'll do what I did with Sandy Hook, tell people that guns aren't the problem, but I don't have the same since of impending dread that I had when Sandy Hook happened.

>>30299922
>I don't fully depend on my LEOs for a situation that involves my life, thus why I carry.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything you just responded to? He's saying that those LEOs will be happy to carry out a confiscation, not be unwilling to defend you.

>>30299740
By democratic I meant democracy, not the donkeys, sorry for the confusion inducing term

>>30299906

>We must restrict the sale and ownership of types of guns and ammunition!!!
And begin hampering one of the biggest economies within the United States and start putting thousands of jobs at risk? Good luck with that.

>Huffington Post spouting about 2nd Amendment rhetoric.
Even in lieu of your typical arguments of the 2nd Amendment, it's message is clear. Citizens must be equipped to stand against a tyrannical government. If you didn't notice, he diligently redefined the word 'militia' to suit his own need. This is anti-gun dribble thats par for the course.

>Someone with mental health deficiencies is only dangerous to Ice Cream!!! >>Click here for a special offer on Ben and Jerry's<<
People with mental health deficiencies will find plenty of ways to kill someone they want to.

I'm just saying, there will be inevitable clickbait articles on the subject, but I can't see anything happening.

>>30299922
yep, by yesterday, the news had moved on to toddlers and alligators.

In an election year, "Gun Control" is a very stupid 8-ball to position yourself behind.

>>30299984
Mark my words, you will soon see a Democratic campaign claiming the Republicans did not do enough to prevent Orlando. And it will paint Congress blue since people are so riled up after this shooting.

>>30299800
Can't be Australian, he didn't say "cunt" once in his whole post.

>>30299831
>Yes the man who wanted and made sure guns were outlawed told his people to take up arms.
Anon, go relearn your modern European history. Hitler and his party loosened gun laws that pertained to his followers while tightening them around the groups he intended to persecute. This allowed the Nazis to terrorize and control those groups with impunity. It's the equivalent of declaring that Democrats don't need CC permits and Republicans can't own guns.

>>30299906
>they're being a lot more clear about it this time
I wouldn't call 6 month old articles "this time."

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>>30299994
>yep, by yesterday, the news had moved on to toddlers and alligators.
Orlando is not having a good month is it? What has Florida Man done to deserve this?

>>30300030
Those are just the ones I bothered to safe after San Bernardino
I'm sure there have been many more since, and now after Orlando

Point is, it's bad right now

>>30299999

Checked. Nice.

I don't doubt that the Democrats will try that. I hate to be 'this guy', but the American public as a whole has a very VERY short attention span on crap like this. Yeah, right now everyone is all buggered up and upset about it, but give it a month and this shit will be a fraction of what it was.

The energy from shit shooting won't make it to November.

>>30300054

>It's bad right now.

Of course it's 'bad' right now, the shooting is less than a week old. If by some miracle (doubt it) the momentum from the butthurt carries past the month, I might be concerned.

>I only JUST started CCWing
Welcome, this shit just keeps happening. Chill.
>and now this fucking cucktard mudslime had to go and throw the entire fucking nation into chaos. When will it end? When will this shit stop? It's been on blast since 2013 it feels like.
Were you born in 2012 or something thereabouts? History is just one thing after another. Chill out.

>>30299725
>>30299725
So i maintain what I was saying here.

Why aren't pro-guns offering a sensible and practical solution that will not result in outright abuse from big guv, instead of waiting for dems to get enough momentum to slowly eat away your rights.

Ffs there can be a few sensible things in terms of background checks that will progressively take the guns out of the hands of retards and psychopaths without affecting reasonable users.

>>30300145
What are some sensible and practical solutions?

>>30299794
As I said, it shouldn't be mandatory. A bill to expand NICS to non-FFL callers on a voluntary basis I could support.

I'm saying making NICS a CHOICE for person-to-person transactions would let gun owners conducting sales make their own decisions about those things. I would personally do it if I was selling to somebody I didn't know for my own peace of mind. Some would, some wouldn't but there would be a net gain (however small) of people undergoing NICS checks.

I don't care if Tyrone or Jamal do it at all. They're clearly not going to even if it was mandatory.

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>>30299024
>We didn't have these types of shootings even 15 years ago at the frequency they're happening now.
We did, but there was no such thing as broadband Internet, smartphones, or social media back then. Columbine happened during the first AWB, which should be the definitive proof that an AWB would do nothing to deter mass shootings. The only problem is that normies/women are retarded and have no critical thinking skills.
>America isn't the only country with guns but it seems to have this persistent, albeit recent problem. That's what I can't figure out.
Plenty of other developed countries have similar rates of mass murder relative to their population size, because there are always going to be crazy murderous psychopaths out there. Mass killings are so rare that they're almost impossible to statistically measure, but even countries with strict gun control have them. ISIS has hit France twice in the past year or so, China has had a string of stabbing attacks by psychos and Muslim terrorists, and some crazy doomsday cult in Japan used Sarin gas to kill a lot of people on a subway in the 90s.
>And even the terrorist attacks aren't being called terrorist attacks. They're being blamed on access to guns.
That's because there's an agenda at play here. Gun-grabbers aren't interested in an intellectually honest debate. Some emotionally-driven normies might be convinced, but the Clintons, Feinsteins, and Bloombergs of the world are master manipulators who want guns banned for nefarious purposes.

>>30300145
>>30300145
>Why aren't pro-guns offering a sensible and practical solution that will not result in outright abuse from big guv

There's no such thing. Any possible "sensible and practical solution" will involve giving the government some form of authority it doesn't presently have. Giving them anything is open to outright abuse.

>there can be a few sensible things in terms of background checks... without affecting reasonable users.

Arbitrarily denying rights because we decide another thing can be used to land someone on the prohibited persons list? Yeah, we could do that. Unconstitutionally and anti-freedom, and WILL if not now, eventually, affect "reasonable users", but we could do it. And the Dems want just that.

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>>30300145

WHAT FUCKING ELSE DO THEY WANT? HUH?

>>30300145
>Ffs there can be a few sensible things in terms of background checks
Sure as hell didn't stop the Orlando shooter. Why do we need more useless bullshit on the books?

>>30300369
>duplicate file
Goddammit I was just about to post this

>>30300369
>WHAT FUCKING ELSE DO THEY WANT? HUH?

To clean that plate.

>>30300419
kek

>>30297049
should also let them know there is legal precedent that you do not have any right to assume individual protection of the police from threats.

>>30295591

>abortion is a right

Huh.

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>>30296394
You are fucking retarded, do you not know or understand how your immune system works?

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>>30298981
As a matter of fact there are 10-12 million AR-15s in America. It is the single most popular rifle in the United States, and yet it is used for so little gun crime as to be statistically insignificant. It's useful for hog hunting and that whole militia thing they like to drag up all the time when they play "creative reading of the second amendment".

And something that really blows their gourd, it's been in civilian hands since the early 60s. For over fifty years. Point that out, and ask them why it wasn't a problem in the 60s, or the 70s, or the 80s, or the 90s, and then suddenly it's a dangerous "new" threat today.

>>30300421
No, they want to eat our cake and then force us to clean the crumbs off of the plate by handing in whatever guns we were allowed to have prior to their inevitable confiscation attempt.

>>30300499
>For over fifty years. Point that out, and ask them why it wasn't a problem in the 60s, or the 70s, or the 80s, or the 90s, and then suddenly it's a dangerous "new" threat today.

And in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, civilians could purchase brand new shiny FULL AUTO MILITARY GRADE ones. Up until 1986.

>>30300523
They will just triumphantly tout that as "progress".

>>30300542
Sure, but how was it less of a problem when the one that was actually designed as a military weapon, wasn't used in mass shootings?

Clearly, evidence strongly suggests that semi-autos SHOULD be banned. And select-fire weapons should be completely deregulated. I mean, statistically, they are never used in crimes.

>>30299153
>that picture
>where r the gud guys!!!
if only they knew the good guys followed the rules and didn't take their guns into bars

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Guys in all honesty, I don't quite understand how the fuck the sandmonkey managed this kind of body count.
Two semi-auto weapons, in the dark nightclub, with people running everywhere, and he hit 100 different people, with 50 being fatal?
I feel a large number of the injuries at least must be related to falls, crowd crush etc in the club? as this seems like an insane number to achieve with what he had at his disposal?
Or is this semi-auto rifle talk just an intentional error to equate the weapon he used with an everyday rimfire semi?

>>30300685
The nightclub wasn't very big and was packed with people. Pretty much fish in a barrel

Plus there seems to be indications that police shot some of the people as they engaged the shooter, but I'm sure that will be nicely covered up

>>30300685
>I don't quite understand how the fuck the sandmonkey managed this kind of body count.

Rapidly firing into a crowd of 300 people could easily rack up a high body count.

3" #4 buckshot would put a hurting on someone, and fire 40 ~.24cal pellets per shot, and hold 5+ in a pump gun. fire that into a crowd of hundreds, aimed roughly at head level. You'll rack up a pretty high count. Don't need an assault weapon to do it.

>or chain the doors and torch the place
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
>87 dead

>>30296611
At least that faggot looked more stylish in the previous era.

>>30300719
Still though, we are talking at least 50 torso shots, and then somehow others were able to get away with minor injuries? this guy must have had to reload at least 3 times by my guess, and was shooting from on the dancefloor right?
Meaning the targets were spread all around him along the walls in a few seconds, all moving around, so there was very little density in order to score multi-kills.
I just don't understand how he managed it, I would get a full-auto magdump when everyone was still clustered, but to fucking walk into the centre of the room and just start squeezing off shots with all the lights pointed at his eyes. It seems an absurd number.
>>30300727
Rapidly into a thick crowd, yes, or with a shotgun, arguably however your bullet penetration limitations would probably fuck you, but this was neither of those?
Standard calibre weapon firing semi-auto in a room full of grown men, and that many kills?
Along with zero attempts to take the initiative against the attacker? I don't get it /k/, not even gays are this weak.

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>>30300685
>an everyday rimfire semi

>>30300776
they were stuck in there with him for 3 hours.

He could have done it with a minuteman's musket in that amount of time.

>>30300807
Yes but from what I was aware of he wasn't wasting gays once the hostage situation developed.

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>>30300788
Problem mate?
You are on a fucking gunboard, and that is the best we get on my shitty little island.

>>30300776
>We are talking about at least 50 torso shots

Not necessarily. You aren't accounting for the possibility of penetration injuries. Nor are you considering the possibility of leg or arm wounds opening open femoral or brachiocephalic arteries and killing with a limb shot.

And of course you are ignoring the possibility of headshots. For all we know he spent a couple minutes popping people on the ground in the head just to make sure. It's not like he didn't have plenty of time.

Also tightly crowded environment makes hitting a target much easier. And it's pretty hard to miss with any gun when you're standing 5 feet in front of your nearest target.

The real pity is that no one attempted to mob this fucking guy and beat him to death en masse. Things would have gone much differently if they had collectively tried to fight back or if a few of them had been armed.

And also, the police very likely shot at least a few of the people in the club when they took down the gunman.

>>30300858
*brachial artery

>>30300776
>Standard calibre weapon firing semi-auto in a room full of grown men, and that many kills?

Rifle calibers rip shit up. You can take 1 to a non-immediately life-threatening area, and still bleed out if not treated.

>>30300685
Doctors have already stated that a large number of the fatalities happened because the cops sat outside for three hours and let them bleed.

>>30300858
The fightback is one of my major questions, because as you say, 4-5 guys probably could have taken him in such an environment.
Even with bleedouts, headshots etc, I would still say the vast majority of deaths in that time, given his police training would be torso shots, especially in a badly lit environment.
Popping people on the ground would make sense, but I don't see how he would have time to do that.
Once the police arrive, if he pops someone, he dies instantly, and I would guess he barely had the situation under control when the first responders got there, given his whole opening of shooting into a crowd.

Also, what fucking bouncer let him wander into a club with a rifle? and if he started shooting bouncers, how did the people inside take so long to react?
It just makes no sense to me, he executed this like a retard, used a semi, had dropped out of police accademy, and was shooting in the dark, yet achieve one of the highest body counts ever, without the use of anything other than two semi auto weapons...
Why not bring pipe bombs to throw?
Why not jury rig a full auto?
Why not molatov?
I just can't understand how such a horrible attempt at a shooting did so well. There must be something more going on, either the bouncers knew and trusted him, or there were multiple gunmen, or he was strapped with homemade c4.
All of these would explain the lack of responce to his initiation and attack.
I am not normally one for comsiparacy stories, but this shit just seems so fishy.

>>30300969
He just got lucky. Picked a good target. Bunch of people crowded together. Aim at a crowd, every triggerpull (should be) a hit. The following 3 hours of the wounded not being treated certainly helped reduce the number of wounded and boost the number of dead.

>>30299108
> The first part is that mass shootings are in vogue. If you want to be infamous in our generation you shoot up a school, much like how a generation ago you killed a bunch of prostitutes and buried them in your basement.

I think the key here is when the trend really kicked off. Was it Columbine that sparked the fire?

>>30301031
There were a few shootings in California (leading them to invent the term assault weapon, and ban them before the federal government did) but Columbine probably made it a bigger thing. Columbine also happened when we had 24 hour news media and (a basic form of) internet.

>>30301048
but that was before people spent all their time, ever, on the internet.

Guns are like slavery, the nation refuses to confront the issue. It's going to take real violence to solve it, and unfortunately most of the blood spilled won't be /k/'s blood or the gun lobby's bloody.

And when it's all said and done, former rocket launcher owners will STILL claim they were in the right to massacre innocents.

>>30301048
>California
As always, it's this state that starts the trend.

We're really just better off walling it off.

>>30301023
>>30300903
>>30300912
Even so, everyone is running, screaming, jumping, falling, the music is blaring, and the lights are flickering, and yet this guy was able to shoot straight, hit (almost) every shot, reload, continue, reload, continue, probably another reload, continue, and still no one mobbed him.
You honestly saying that you would expect one guy to kill this many people in the dark with a semi auto standard callibre, while saying that full-auto weapons are reasonable for self defence?
This stinks of an attempt to pain decidedly average weapons as insane killing machines. I am convinced there must have been multiple gunmen, there are even witnesses saying such, but it is being silenced?

>>30301075
>Guns are like slavery,

Guns keep us free. They are literally the opposite of slavery.

>>30301101
I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy.

I'm just saying I can see how it would be possible to pull off.

>>30294174
Simple solution do what I do. If they outlaw any gun I own I simply wont turn it in. If they want it they can pry it from my cold dead hands.

>>30301101
To add to this, it stinks of Port Arthur in Australia.
One sad little prick displays an insane level of accuracy, when in reality can barely hit a fucking barn. Foulplay in my opinion, maybe not by some kind of government involvement in the inital act, but by tainted policework following it.
If they can "prove" that this recent killing was one untrained individual, what will that meant for semi-auto rifles?

>>30301075
> former rocket launcher owners will STILL claim they were in the right to massacre innocents.
What in the mother of fuck are you talking about?

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>>30294174
I don't need to hide from firearms at all

What I need is for firearms to be hidden from the future McVeighs that make threads like these

Anyone who genuinely believes that if they don't personally have more firepower stockpiled in their basement than the entire Continental Army did in 1776, that a nation of 300 million people is going to be "thrown into chaos", needs to be kept far, far away from sharp objects, let alone firearms

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>>30294227
Nobody asked for your opinion, serf.

>>30301107
I don't understand why most gun owners are so afraid of the government when its the common people, especially minorities, that should be afraid. Like Mao said, power grows the barrel of a gun. What should less bellicose citizens do in the event of a governmental collapse? What happens when roving bands of white nationalists go around committing ethnic cleansing? I have a nugget and two pistols. The most my family could do to hold out against a potential Trump death squad isn't much.

I buy guns to defend myself from people with guns, be it the government or racist who wants to remove me from this earth.

>>30301136
>maybe not by some kind of government involvement in the inital act, but by tainted policework following it.

Isn't BLM already trying to get martial law enacted to postpone elections?

>>30301117
Fair enough mate, but I am saying that from a probability standpoint, I can't reconcial myself that all of those event aligned just so perfectly. Anyone who has ever fire a gun before must see how difficult a feat this would be to pull off alone. How would he even cover both exits?

>>30300369
I'm going to bite.
When did the pro-gun lobby actually cooperated and conpromised?
Current "infrigment of your rights" are not the results of bipartisan efforts or proposal of the pro guns.
It's mainly dems fucking you over whenever they grab a bit of power and do not face enough opposition.

As I said, I understand why you guys feel paranoid after the ever increasing control and retarded legislation, but now you are all digging your heeds in the ground and yell back at any kind of regulation, which helps the libtards painting you as angry hillbillies that would consider distributing guns in mental institutes acceptable as long as you don't prevent them from shooting cannisters at the range.

Outside of the stupid "any kind of regulation will result in Stalin coming in my house to take my guns" there is no good reason to oppose basic background checks in shops and gun fairs.
You afraid that the big guv lists are shaky and arbitrary? Propose legislation forcing independent overwatch of said list by politicians and civil society or full transparency for example, instead of just opposing it as a whole.

Anyhow that's my 2cents, I just feel that you are playing against yourselves and helping the libtards in the long run.
Because of demographic and cultural switch in the us you will be more and more a minority and legislation will eventually be passed, using much feels, terrorism and children shootings. So you'd better be a part of it and at least make it useful and proper leg instead of being passive and end up more fucked.

>>30301156
I can bring my guns over fampai and we'll convert your house into a brick of murder.

>>30296361
Not, they were the ones betrayed my their goverment.

>>30301031
>Was it Columbine that sparked the fire?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say no.

It was Bowling for Columbine that sparked the fire. After Columbine things mostly settled down, After Bowling we got Todesengel and V-Tech and things seem to have launched off from there.

I guess you could say that Columbine was the initial spark, but it needed Todesengel and V-Tech to really take off.

>>30301184
Government in nine words.

>>30301166
Uneducated here
What makes you think there were multiple shooters?
How many rounds did he fire to kill these 50 people?
Bataclan shooters in Paris had a bunchnof time to go around reload and execute a bunchof people for ex.

>>30301156
>I don't understand why most gun owners are so afraid of the government
>I buy guns to defend myself from people with guns, be it the government or racist

So, you do see why most gun owners are afraid of the government.

For the same reason as you. Replace "potential trump death squad" with "potential hillary confiscation squad." Same shit, different pile.

>>30300969
There was one bouncer. He shot him in the fuckin head, and walked in. People outside closed the door and held it shut for 3 HOURS because they thought the banging was "the bad guys"

And the cops ended up breaching AFTER THREE (3) HOURS by smashing through a wall with an armored vehicle, using stun grenades and then shooting the guy.

Source: CNN

>>30301101
All signs show that he spent a good amount of time planning this, including multiple trips to reconnoiter the location, most notably the one an hour before he started shooting.

He shot the bouncer, safe in the knowledge that nobody inside could hear over the music. He knew that they would be shitfaced and sleepy. He knew that they would be disoriented and surprised, while he knew what to expect inside.

He did so well because he planned it out and the cops sat on their hands. Same reason Cho did so well.

>>30301191
Leave it to pissed asians to make a fire really burn.
>>30301224
>People outside closed the door and held it shut for 3 HOURS because they thought the banging was "the bad guys"
Why does this fill me with such incredible anger.

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>>30301180
>So you'd better be a part of it and at least make it useful and proper leg instead of being passive and end up more fucked.


Except that's not how it works, never how it will work.

The repubs and NRA compromised on background checks at gun dealers. IN THE LEGISLATION, background checks ONLY WERE EVER REQUIRED at dealers.

Wanting to expand them is LITERALLY an example of reps/NRA fucking themselves over as the dems called the part of law, specifically added TO get reps/NRA to compromise, a "loophole that needs closing."

Give an inch, they take a mile. Tried and true. Any compromise would only be temporary before the next attack.

>>30301101
In a crowded room where everyone is confused by the loud music, screams, and flashing neon lights everywhere I can imagine that it could feasible be difficult to tell exactly where the shots were coming from.

Have you ever been to a tightly packed club? I certainly have and let me tell you, if you were in the middle of the dance floor having a good time and suddenly had the immediate and pressing need to get the fuck out of the dance floor at the exact same time every other retard around you has the exact same need and everyone is pushing and shoving in different directions in a chaotic scramble towards safety, it would be pretty damn easy to secure a high body count in short order.

Especially if the police don't do shit about it and let the wounded people inside bleed for 3 hours. We only have so much blood we can lose before our organs stop.

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>>30301218
>having to turn in my toys, Australia-style, is actually the same as ethnic cleansing
Do you understand that this is why nobody can take gun nuts seriously?

>>30301136
>If they can "prove" that this recent killing was one untrained individual
Too bad they can't, because he was a trained individual.

>>30301276
So what will you let be taken from you before you draw the line?

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>>30300467
>you can't police muh right to own guns
>but you can police a woman's right to make choices about her own body

go ahead and take a deep sip from the mug of fucking hypocrisy there pal

>>30301101
Have you ever been inside a crowded club before? You can't even tell who spilled a drink on you when they're literally right next to you, let alone tell where shots are coming from in the dark, and where to run (as if you could run)

I'm convinced 80% of /k/ is socially awkward shut-ins who would start shouting AM I BEING DETAINED if they tried to enter a club and the bouncer asked them to open their military surplus duffel bag

>>30301319
Is it known how many people were in the club total that night? Because I'm honestly shocked there were not more casualties.

>>30301293
Can you be more specific about "the line" you're referring to?

I've moved between states several times, in many cases I sell or otherwise dispose of something that I had fun with, but is either too inconvenient or not useful where I'm going next

I understand having hobbies, but if your life revolves around one such that (I can only assume) you fantasize about an armed showdown to defend it, you need to have your head examined

>>30301156
>Trump death squads

Are you joking? Historically you have a significantly better chance in modern history of being slaughtered by leftist extremists than you do right wing ones. Just look at how badly latinos chimp out at Trump speeches, smash cop cars, beat Trump supporters with rocks, pipes, fists, etc. I am infinitely more fearful of a radical Bernie or Clinton supporter than I am of a Trump one.

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>>30301365
Sorry, but you're disgustingly wrong, unless you're going to actually argue that Timmy was a liberal hippie fighting for gay rights

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>>30294174
Settle down OP, the GOP is saying they won't support gun control.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/16/ryan-top-republicans-urge-caution-on-post-orlando-gun-control-measures.html?intcmp=hpbt2

>>30301318
Welcome to politics and gun laws faggot.

>>30301180
>oppose basic background checks at shops and gun fairs

WE ALREADY FUCKING HAVE THOSE GODDAMN BACKGROUND CHECKS, YOU UNINFORMED MONGOLOID.

You can't just buy a modern firearm off the internet and have it at your front door without a background check. You can't just cruise over to your local gunshop and pick up a gun without a background check. Most gun sellers at gun shows are in the business of selling guns, are FFLs, and are required to conduct background checks to sell guns.

This isn't fucking news. This is federal law. You fucking ignorant people really need to shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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>>30301375

>most recent example of right wing violence you can dig up was two decades ago

wew lad

>>30301319
Yet another reason you should have a weapon light on your CCW.

>>30301385
>Fox.
>Trusting the liberal media shysters.

>>30301396
>I'm in high school and I can't actually remember anything that happened beyond the second Obama administration
I should have expected that

>>30301346
>I understand having hobbies, but if your life revolves around one such that (I can only assume) you fantasize about an armed showdown to defend it, you need to have your head examined
If being ready and willing to defend your basic rights and freedom means I need to get my head examined then I don't want to be right in the head.

Kindly fuck yourself with a cactus. Not everyone is a little spoiled bitch afraid to stand up for their rights like you are.

>>30301318
>but you can't police a woman's right to make choices about another human's body
Abortion is nothing more than another form of legal homicide.

>>30301404
Paul Ryan and others are speaking on the video though.

>>30301414
It's a hobby. It is not worth murdering people over. Get a life, freak.

>>30301346
>Can you be more specific about "the line" you're referring to?
Sure. What is acceptable to be taken from you before you meet the confiscators with resistance? Not necessarily armed, mind you.

It's not fantasizing about having a shootout for guns, it's about being prepared to defend the freedom we all hold dear.

>>30301365
Imagine yourself being Latino and having idiots of your race call you a traitor and attack you to protect their "real raza".

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>>30301424
News alert: Civil Liberties are nothing to defend! The US constitution be damned goy!

>>30301276
>ethnic cleansing
>nothing like gun owner cleansing

We are both at threat of death. You just see everything through a racial lens.

>>30301400
Should be strobe light. No need to ruin the mood.

>>30297769
Only if you mean Warsaw.

>>30301276
Funny that you say that, you dense motherfucker.

My family is Armenian. We came here during the Armenian genocide.

You know what the Turks did to my family and the rest of the Armenians before they were able to start murdering us en masse? They forced us to register our weapons, then the confiscated them, they started by shooting our intellectuals and anyone who spoke out, and then they came for the rest of us and committed the first act of modern genocide. I would literally not exist if my great grandparents had been rounded up successfully and killed. My great grandfather and grandmother hid in a fucking well and climbed out after everyone else got rounded up. They both spoke Turkish, faked being turkish in order to survive several encounters they had, and fled to the United States at their earliest opportunity.

A little history goes a long way. Turning in our firearms is always a dangerous proposal and I for one will refuse to go meekly into the night like so many of my ancestors did.

>>30301424
So everything classified as a "hobby" is perfectly alright to confiscate from the people of the US?

>>30301424
Do you really need the right to free speech? Nobody wants to hear your racist opinions.

>>30301183
There is only one murder/k/ube and no other false /k/ubes (or bricks) shall be brought before me.

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She went radio silent after that

>>30301346
>you fantasize about an armed showdown to defend it

If you believe that, then get out of the country that was founded on "an armed showdown" to defend its rights (guns included)

>>30301424
>It's a hobby
Or passion.

What's next? Are you going to let people kill your dog, burn your house and rape yiur wife just because it's "just an animal", "just a property" and "just a few moments of inconvenience"?

>It is not worth murdering people over
Protecting your rights is always worth killing scum that would try to take them away. We already had a few wars over that.

>>30301375
>Communist governments didn't round up and execute their citizens in ways that made the Nazis look like complete amateurs
>look, some dude made a bomb and blew up a building 20 decades ago and he was a right winger!
>this proves conclusively that right wingers are definitely the most dangerous groups ever!

wew, you got me there

>>30301425
If something I owned was declared illegal, I'd probably just say nothing and be discreet about my hobby.

If a cop came knocking on my door saying "we have sales records from this store showing you bought product X in 2013, we're just checking to make sure you don't have it", I'd probably have seen it coming because it would be all over the news, and by the time the knock came, I'd have either taken advantage of amnesty if available, or disposed of it discreetly.

Practically speaking, the government isn't going to take anything from me that's so important to me that I'd be willing to shoot someone over it. If they were going to cart a loved one away to a death camp or something, of course. But we're not talking about death camps, we're talking about equipment related to a hobby. It would be like if they decided my hi fi gear was illegal, yeah I'd be pissed and dedicated the rest of my life to shitposting on the internet about it, but I wouldn't murder anyone.

>>30301458
It's not right, but if you think it's worth killing over you are the kind of guy who belongs on an FBI watch list. Not even trolling.

>>30300296
This so much. Keep fighting the good fight, anon.

>>30301449
Warsaw Uprising was terribly exectued though, fucking idiots trying to die a heroic death with no regard for the civilians they were supposed to protect.

I'm Polish by the way.

>>30301492
>not being able to play with my toys is like raping my wife
Edgy

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I don't know if I should be buying guns or Bitcoin right now. I know I need both but I can only afford one or the other right now.

>>30301424
>It is not worth murdering people over
People do worse for less.

>>30294283
Look into "Spanish Flu" m8. Hit the strongest the hardest. The better the immune the more dead you are. But I get what you mean, in the aftermath of a plague the strong left alive will fare better.

>>30301479
>I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about and just got BTFO
>I'm just going to say that I don't want to fight and that we have different opinions on things because the idea of facing that fact that I am wrong is too scary

>>30301479
The antis arguments always fall apart when presented with facts.

>>30301536
Sure, people set their kids on fire for marrying someone from the wrong religion. Do you really want to hold yourself to that standard?

>>30301523
You have just as much right to take my toys away as you have to raping my wife.

Meaning you have none and I wouldn't recommend trying either.

>>30301550
Don't worry mr. big strong internet man, I'm sure you've fantasized about strangers invading your home so you can live out your cuckold fantasies, but I'm genuinely uninterested. I promise

>>30301424
>not worth murdering people over

It really isn't.

So tell the government that it's not worth murdering me if I won't abide by their bullshit rights-infringements.

>>30298814
You think every vet has ptsd?

>>30301421
Self defense is nothing more than another form of legal homicide.

>>30301338
At least 103.

>>30301548
So you want to go that route huh?

Are you vegan? Is eating meat really worth mudering those animals?

>>30301563
Nobody is going to murder you because murder is, by definition, unlawful

However I can easily see you going the way of that retard in Oregon who basically committed suicide by cop because he damaged his brain watching too many "sovereign citizen" videos

>>30301450
They watch over you, komrade.
>>30301512
So rights and freedom are not worth fighting for?
>>30301501
Shooting intruders isn't murder.

>>30301573
>legal homicide
Read a fucking book.

>>30301573
The person you self-defense against made poor choices that sealed his own fate.

The person you abort never got to make choices because you made the most important one, live or die, for them.

>>30301585
That isn't what "murder" means, retard

>>30301546
Pretty much.

>>30301547
Mental gymnastics are strong with that one.

>>30301592
>suicide by cop
Well then I hope the cops are not stupid enough to commit a suicide by civilians then.

>>30301599
What do you mean by "fighting for"? I have several lawyers in my family, do you mean that sort of fighting? I suspect not because nobody from your family went to school. I suspect you mean "shooting people I disagree with"

So no, I don't think they're worth "fighting for". Hope you don't shoot me for that.

>>30301609
So killing is fine as long as the govt tell you it's fine?

Well I guess Hitler was right after all then.

>>30301592
>Nobody is going to murder you because murder is, by definition, unlawful

So is enforcing unconstitutional laws. Enforcing them with a gun is just as unlawful. Therefore the killing of me will be unlawful.

Murder.

>>30301616
Please present an argument than

>>30301561
You seem to be the one who has cuckold fantasies given that you are literally willing to be inferior to other men.

Projecting much?

>>30301628
The opinions you espouse are full retard, but I shall defend to the death your right to say them.

>>30301632
If you openly declare that you're going to resist with all your firepower and they can take your hobby equipment from your cold, dead hands, then you can expect to lose that fight.

No, there will be no Turner Diaries style insurrection to back you up. Yes, your death will be watched on youtube and the comments section filled with lulz and shitposting for all of eternity. A hero's death.

>>30301641
Could you clarify? I was saying the anti who I was arguing with has used a lot of mental gymnastics with me in the past.

>>30301481
As I Said already, the French revolution was carried out pretty effectively while they didn't have any constitutional rights to weapons. They just seized them when needed.

>>30301648
I'm sure your wife is supportive of your fantasy life and perhaps even ok that you're offering her on the internet for stranger rape, but please take your weird shit to another board, maybe craigslist

>>30301481
It was a tax squabble, but you can believe what you want to believe

>>30301666
>YOU CAN'T FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT IT'S TOO STRONG DON'T YOU SEE IT JUST SURRENDER
I really hope you are not from US.

If you are then please renounce your citizenship and kill yourself immedietaly since you are a polar opposite of the values this country was build on.

>>30301628
I mean actual combat with those who would take your freedom. Lawyers can't do anything if a government decides to break the law, like it is already doing.
>I suspect not because nobody from your family went to school.
Now you're just being a faggot.
>I suspect you mean "shooting people I disagree with"
Do I look like a liberal to you?

Stay off my property and don't infringe on my life or liberty and no boolits will fly.

>>30301683
>As I Said already, the French revolution was carried out pretty effectively while they didn't have any constitutional rights to weapons

So was the American Revolution.

And they recognized the weapons they had was one of the things that helped them out a whole helluva lot.

So they protected their natural right to weapons/defense, by adding to the "list of government powers" that the government "does not have the power to infringe the right to weapons."

We're not in france. Go be in france.

>>30301394
>>30301394
>>30301394
So why the fuck do people with severe mental illness , criminal records or history of violence keep putting their hand on weapons?
How the fuck can a guybsuspected of terrorism, that just came back from Syria buy guns?

>>30301573
This is true. That's why we have constant discussions and arguments on the limits and laws of self defense, the morality and legality of situations of self-defense, and mass demonstrations and protests when people think an act of self defense was not legitimate.

It's time we stop pretending that an abortion is no different than getting your tetanus shot and start recognizing it for the intentional killing of a human that it is. And once both sides do this we can have an actual conversation about abortion.

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>>30301687
>I don't really have any arguments left so cuckcuckcuckcuck

>>30301711
Anon, he's literally satan.

>>30301450
Not the guy you're responding to, but I have a similar story.

My grandparents fled 3 wars. The first one was when the Japanese invaded China and were massacring civilians. Shortly after that, the communists took over after they won the Chinese civil war and started killing all of the "wealthy" landowners. My great-grandparents died that way, thrown off a cliff by some commie fucks. My grandparents ran off to Vietnam (Saigon) afterwards and managed to pop out my parents. My grandpa (on my dad's side) was killed during the Tet offensive by the fucking VC. My dad spent some time in "re-education" camps as a teen because he tried to escape.

Sometimes people like to ask me why I'm vehemently anti-communist and pro-gun. Telling them the story of my ancestors usually shuts them the fuck up.

>>30301701
It was a bunch of shit.

The straw breaking the camels back was the british attempting to confiscate 'murican weapons.

>>30301727
Did you even see who was the first to bring the word into it?

>>30301746
Yes, not me.

See >>30301561

>>30301733
>usually
Please tell me you assault the people who don't.

>>30301717
>So why the fuck do people with severe mental illness , criminal records or history of violence keep putting their hand on weapons?

Because mental illness doesn't always present itself early enough to diagnose prior to getting the gun, and criminals/violent people will get them legally or illegally.

There is literally NO background check to screen for precrime. Never has been, never will be.

>How the fuck can a guybsuspected of terrorism, that just came back from Syria buy guns?
>suspected

Because due process. You know, those rights that protect us from tyranny.

>>30301711
I've been paying taxes and voting for longer than you've been alive, sorry bud, but I get more USA points than you
>>30301727
You were the one who brought up wife rape. Not me. You. Repeatedly.

>>30301717
Gee, I don't know. Maybe like in the case of San Bernardino they have a neighbor commit the felony of a straw sale, buy the weapons legally, and then commit a crime by illegally selling those firearms to the terrorists who then went on their ISIS inspired rampage?

It's sort of like criminals and prohibited felons and other persons often acquired firearms. They send their family members or girlfriends, etc into a gun shop, have them made a straw purchase, and then illegally acquire weapons that way.

Or you have people like Adam Lanza who murder their family members and then steal those legally owned firearms so that they can commit murder.

Or people go buy stolen firearms in the inner city from their drug dealer without a serial number.

If you are determined and committed to the goal of getting your hands on a gun, even though you cannot get one legally, you will find a way. It's almost like criminals have no regard for the law...weird huh?

>>30301756
>raping my wife
>raping my wife
Seriously what is it about right wing extremists and their obsession with cuckolding?

>>30301774
>I've been paying taxes for a long time
>That means I get to shit on American rights!

I'll give you 500 USA points per year you've paid taxes.

You're still in the negatives as far as USA points are concerned.

>>30298299

Build an open bolt subgun from a broken bike and some springs.
Make the ammo from brass pipe adapters, guncotton and fishing lead sinkers.

That's about the best point for showing that firearms will always be available I can think of.

>>30301774
>You were the one who brought up wife rape. Not me. You. Repeatedly.
I don't think yuo understand the difference between "rape" and "cuckold". Less memes, more dictionaries.

>>30294174
> It's been on blast since 2013 it feels like.
You're right.

>>30301756
Please disregard me, I've been up too long sucking dicks and have lost the ability to read and count posts.

>>30301683
That's why the French Revolution self destructed into mass murder and became an Imperial Dictatorship within a decade, right?

You can't rely on needing to seize weapons when things go south.

>>30301733
Unrelated, but why did your grandparents move to an entirely different country? My grandparents fled all the way from Nanjing/Shanghai to Chengdu.

Also, I'm sorry anon. My relatives who stayed behind in China had to go through some shit although not nearly as bad. My uncles grew up getting bullied for having capitalist and KMT relatives, but it made them tough as fuck since they got into brawls literally every day until they graduated from high school.

Just don't shoot me when they line up all the registered Democrats in California for summary execution in 2020. ;_;

>>30296616
We already have background checks you dummy, have you ever bought a gun??

>>30301634
Nothing in the constitution explicitly says you personally are entitled to a 5.56mm rifle that shoots from a chrome-plated barrel with a 1 in 9 twist and has the shoulder thing that goes up and the silencer and the bullet button

It's worded in a very general way and many respected jurists disagree with the NRA groupthink. Just saying "I disagree with the laws of the land" is not an excuse to commit murder. Especially not when it's about your preference of hobbyist gear.

>>30301774
>I've been paying taxes so I'm a real american!
No, you are still a polar opposite of the vaules this country was build in. It was not build on paying your taxes like a good boy.

>>30301825
>Unrelated, but why did your grandparents move to an entirely different country?
Not him but sometimes you just want to be reeeaallly far away.
>Just don't shoot me when they line up all the registered Democrats in California for summary execution in 2020. ;_;
Why're you registered as a Democrat? Just curious.

>>30301790
>rape and cuckolding is the same thing
Read a dictionary.

>>30301800
It's all related to the same fantasy. Literally 90% of the "omg boogyman" fantasies you see in gun debates revolve around some guy who thinks his wife or daughter is really hot and he's totally gonna git anyone who tries to touch her cooch.

Can you imagine a sports fan shrieking about strangers invading his daughter's pussy? It doesn't happen, gun nuts have a monopoly over this stuff.

>>30301854
>Nothing in the constitution explicitly says you personally are entitled to a 5.56mm rifle that shoots from a chrome-plated barrel with a 1 in 9 twist and has the shoulder thing that goes up and the silencer and the bullet button
Nothing in the constitution explicitly says I'm not allowed to either.

>>30301733
The anon you were responding to.

Thank you for sharing the story of your family. My story usually shuts liberals up too, but yours is even better because its multigenerational. Reminds me of my ex-girlfriend's family. They were Chinese, and bailed to Vietnam because the Communists were so bad. The Vietnamese were also really bad, so they bailed from Vietnam much in the same way.

My ex's mother HATED the Vietnamese with a passion. One time I was visiting and my ex's friend (who was Vietnamese) came over to borrow a book. My ex's mother, who was just this sweet little, old Chinese woman took one look at the guy, narrowed her eyes and started screaming in chinese about why the dirty viet was in her house, to get the fuck out, etc. I don't speak any chinese, so it was later translated for my benefit, but the attitude translated things more than sufficiently enough for me to realize what was being said.

It's funny how people who have no knowledge of their family histories or who have never had family who lived under brutal and repressive regimes have such a hard time understanding why people would refuse to give up their guns and why they tend to have a very strong hatred of communists.

I think the saddest part is that most of these communist atrocities are well recorded history, but that the liberals in this country keep trying to pretend that shit never happened and that it never could have happened. The doublethink is strong.

>>30301854
What the fuck is with people looking at the constitution and saying "oh look, it doesn't explicitly say X, let's do/ban this!".?
The right of The People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The fucking internet isn't mentioned in the First, so why don't we just fucking ban that? This whole fucking battle of what we can ban within the confines of the constitution is the most un-American bullshit.

>>30294174
What happened?

>>30301867
>It's all related to the same fantasy
Still not the same thing, that's just you jumping to coclusions and possibly projecting.

Just read that fucking dictionary and go away, at least you will learn something today.

>>30301880
And its important to mention that rights not specifically enumerated in the constitution are reserved for the people.

Its also important to mention that the supreme court has already ruled that people are entitled to commonly used weapons of their time, which would include the 5.56mm rifle.

>>30301854
>Nothing in the constitution explicitly says you personally are entitled

That's true. It's not an allowance to me, it's a restriction on the power of the government.

>It's worded in a very general way

To avoid confusion that maybe it somehow is limiting. It isn't. The only thing the 2nd Amendment limits is the power of the government TO limit shit.