What do you guys think of the FN P90? At least the PS90?

I've killed a couple of jaffa with mine.

>>30197966
I want one but i own too many clown calibers

>>30198000
So yes imo it serves a modern m1 carbine role

>>30197966
Don't know if it's practical outside of being a fun range toy. I want one too but have the same dilemma. Anyone know if it's good for taking out varmints up to coyote size out to 200 yards? If yes I could justify getting one.

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>>30198004
OP here, ironically i saw both the M1 carbine and the PS90 at my local gun shop. The M1 carbine was cheaper, and .30 carbine is around the same general price of 5.7x28. Which should i get?

>>30198000
Also, nice trips

>>30197966
> Is it practical?
Who cares?

>>30197981

I like you

>>30197966
Save up and get an AUG a3 m1 from Pete Athens at Pjsteyr

>>30198032
I have a carbine, and I love it. I would put both of them at a similar effective range, but the p90 mags dwarf M1 mags, even the 30rd mags. From what I recall at my lgs, the P90 is lighter, but the M1 has better asthetics. Both are nice, but I prefer American so my vote is the M1

>>30197966
>Weight and length not that much less than an M4
>Range only 1/4th
>Only 20 more rounds per mag

It's a cool concept, but for the price you're not really getting much more than you would a nice 16" AR-15.

>>30197966
>Based Dugan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ACX6ZcqTU

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>>30198169
>J-just get an AR it's good enough
>D.I and cleaning and lubing like a virgin's 1st time isn't my tempo for what i want out of firearms

>>30198252
>Implying P90s don't get filthy
>Implying ARs aren't as popular as they are because it's a great design

>>30197966
I'm biased as hell because the PS90 and AUG are my dream guns (poorfag) but get that fucking rifle.

>>30197981
I shot some sentient robo-spiders with a pair. 10/10 would fire hose again

>>30198169
>only 20 more rounds per mag.

Unless your primary weapon is a SAW, 20 is pretty substantial

>>30198354
2/3rds of a mag, but when you can reach further and have better effect on target, you likely won't need as many shots.

>>30198157
This. An AUG is quite accurate, as short as a PS90, and shoots 5.56. It's like an AR and a PS90 had a baby, and got rid of all the sacrifices. AUGs are good rifles.

>>30197966
Not practical, but it is cool.

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>>30197966
>At least the PS90? Is it practical?
>crippled version of the gun designed around full auto
What do you think?

I did about six months research on this gun because I was considering buying one for my bug out gun.
the criteria was:
>hi cap
>small gun
>high velocity ammo
>effective range of at least 100yards
I started off with a list of about a dozen guns and it came down to the P-90 SBR or AR pistol. Ultimately the AR pistol won out only due to costs. The P-90 and its 5.7 round mean that in a SHTF environment you can shoot through windshields (out of yours or into others) and still kill your target (pistol rounds of all kinds lose 90% energy going through windshields and become harmless inches after) plus will tear through light barriers such as car doors, sheet rock and layered ply wood. Its compact size makes it easy to move around inside of a car or building while being big enough to shoot accurate accross a city street.
The only downside is the cost of the gun and ammo, which is why I went with the AR pistol. But of you can afford it, get it.

>>30198252
>>30198252
This meme again?
Just google filthy 14 you retard

3/10 for getting me to respond.

>>30198157
>AUG a3 m1
But is it compatible with STANAG mags?

>>30197981
Killed like 3 Metal Gear RAYs with mine


Did they ever experiment with these in a caliber other than 5.7?

>>30199056
I dont see why they would even bother. The only other alternatives are other pistol rounds which would only lower capacity and remove the only benefit to the platform. The 5.7 is a pretty good round as far as ballistics go but the downsides are the higher cost and the fact its not readily available.

>>30199045
You can get the Nato stock, or the AUG original stock. The Nato stock is what opted for so it takes PMAGs that I already have.
The original AUG mags are great too. Very reliable unless you smash the mag into the mag well.
The Aug is just totally superior to the PS90 other than the fact that FN made a really great ambidextrous pistol caliber rifle. The Aug does not suppress well but the P90 does. FN makes Aug barrels too. Very nice, very accurate with mine. Not sub moa, but 1.5-1 moa easy with the trigger tammer.
The Aug trigger is better than a stock ar trigger
The aug on full retard is super fun too.

>>30198032
Depends on what manufacture the M1 carbine is. Most any USGI, first gen universal, and Howa are generally fine.

Also, if you care about handloading, 30 carbine is easy and cheap to load.

>>30198370
So why not roll .308?

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>>30197966
The FN P-90 review with as minimal bias as possible.

PDW, Personal Defense Weapon. It's supposed to be small, lightweight, easily concealed or transported. With a minimal 16 inch barrel prior to getting paperwork for an SBR, it's just a regular pistol-cal rifle, and being semi-auto prior to paperwork for full-auto, it doesn't fit the bill. End result?

Ineffective/not available for its' intended purpose.

Ammunition: 5.7x28mm, .224. It is a slightly overglorified .22lr while the .223/5.56x45mm is simply an overglorified .22lr. The bullet CAN penetrate very softly armored targets, but don't expect it to punch through much at all. The cartrige is slowly becoming less-than unobtanium... but is instead uncommontainium. The actual power behind it is sad compared to the lol9mm and the terminal ballistics is sloppy at best. End result?

Ineffective/inefficient/barred from intended use.

Pieces-parts, magazine, trigger, grips and stock: let's start with the first actual good thing about this regular size, lowpower and overpriced rifle. The magazine. Standard capacity 50 round magazine. Well, son. That, my friend, is pretty sex. The magazine fits on the gun in an easy-access but out-of-the-way location. That's extremely difficult to say about most any non-handgun firearm nowadays. Stock trigger is shrugworthy, not good or bad, the grips are ergonomic yet weird and unusual that it requires extended training for your hands to understand how to properly hold it and use the ergonomics properly. Stock is a flat non-extendable assplate and nothing to write home about, though the smaller charge of the cartrige tends to mean that, combined with the cycling system and recoil reduction system, rapid fire is somewhat managable. End result?

Good mag, meh trigger, meh ergo, urgh stock.

Overall? Eh/10 non-PDW PDW. Would not buy for 1300$ entry model civilian legal.

>>30198540
You forgot the whole
>Can't have access to the AP round the entire gun was build around
bit to go along with that.

>>30198038
>> Is it practical?
>Who cares?
All you had to say was "no."

>>30199582
False, you can buy actual fn black and red box online

>>30198025
I heard Mexicans hunt coyote with .22 or .25 cal air guns. I think I'll work fine.

Practical for what and when it was designed for.

Not so practical when you have the relatively new explosion of reliable ar-15 pistols/SBR in any meme or non meme caliber you want.

>>30199546
>gun sucks because of gun laws
>FN's fault

>"5.7x28 is just .22 mag" meme
>comparing 5.56 to .22lr

>muh 5.7 expensive/hard to find
>when you can get 50rds cheaper than or equivalent to 5.56

>>30197966
I hate that stupid long welded flash hider. If the barrel has to be 16" then put a real 16" barrel on it.

I think P90s look creepy as hell. They don't even look like proper firearms, but robot machines for wasting civilians in a future dystopia. The M16 is like a tasteful and refined fudd gun by comparison.
The magazines and feeding system are pretty amazing, though.

>>30199789
>gun sucks because of gun laws
>FN's fault
Not even him, but that's one hell of a nice strawman you got there.

>>30199789
>when you can get 50rds cheaper than or equivalent to 5.56
Uhhh, what 5.56 are you getting that cost, at least, 37 cents a pop?

>>30198032
M1 because milsurp, its price will likely go up faster than the p90's

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>>30199804
Is him, thanks for the d-fense, bro.

>>30199254
Depends. What are you shooting at? How big a weapon are you willing to go to? Do you like bullpups? 5.7 just makes too many compromises for the goal of being an armor-piercing SMG when you could just use a compact/SBR 5.56 carbine. The Mk18 CQBR with stock shortened is the same length as a PS90, but still gives you a 500m rifle, vs 200m for the P90.

I used to own one. Get a good deal on a used PS90 , OP . They're really fun guns, and you can buy SS190 online if you try + SS197 will pen most soft body armor anyways .
It is pretty fucking compact. I could put mine into a backpack laptop pocket and walk around with it, if not for the long barrel. So buy one and SBR it

>>30199789
50rds 5.7 goes for 18$.

>>30200043
Or you could also SBR the PS90, and have a much, much smaller rifle.

>>30199789
>5.7
>can get 50rds cheaper than or equivalent to 5.56
Why do you fucking lie when all it takes to check you is a few keystrokes and clicks in ammoseek or ammoengine or whatthefuckever? For Christ's sake, 5.7 -starts at- the price of horrifically inflated Federal XM193 from shit-tier websites.

Truthfully id suggest a five-7. Same rounds, but its a handgun so easilly more mobile. You just dont have the same range as a p90. 5.7x28 is nuts at the range. 100yrds and my shaky ass hands can still keep my groupings.

>>30200553
Not him, but it is possible to find 5.7x28 at 5.56 price. You just have to wait for sales. I picked up 5k rounds of FN SS196 for $.31/rd shipped during Black Friday. AE5728 could be bought for $.27/rd during Black Friday shipped.

I got my PS90 for incredibly cheap ($800 NiB with extra mags and ammo) through a strange set of circumstances, so I don't really have any complaints about mine. I would never pay $1300 for one though.

So is it as cheap as 5.56? Nope, but once you factor in the cost of selling your brass if you do so ($.08-$.12/ piece), it really is cheap to shoot. But it's a plinker, and calling it anything else is foolish.

I use my to introduce new people to the world of firearms.
>iconic and tacticool so people love it
>full ambi for the occasional southpaw
>no recoil
>even the smallest grills can handle it easily

>>30200550
>P90
>Rifle

>>30197981
The cyborg I've been pair with makes good use of it.

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>>30197966
Practical? Not at all. At least, not the civilian version. But fun does not have to be practical. Fun is fun. I think the PS90 is one of the most fun firearms I own to shoot. Next to nothing recoil. High magazine capacity is a plus as well.

People will bitch about the cost. It is not really that expensive and mostly just sounds like poorfags poorfagging. People will bitch about the cost of ammo. I buy online and pay around $.35-37 a round depending on where I get the best deal from.

SBR-ing it means getting a lot of attention at the range. Everyone either knows what it is or wants to know what it is.

Plus, it is fully ambidextrous. That's great if you're left handed. Shells drop out of the bottom so you're never going to spray someone with cases.

One last thing, there is nothing that looks it. Buy one, SBR it, and enjoy having fun. Because sometimes fun is the most important thing.

Great gun that is the perfect SBR.
Supposedly incredibly easy to make them go full retard with the early generations.

>>30200804
So much this.

However, I want to disagree with the practicality of it. As I hinted at in>>30198570 its a great SHTF gun for your bugout truck, because it will kill cars (engine kill) as well as punch through glass. As far as not being full ratard, FA is over rated on non-beltfed weapons. The FA version shits out bullets at something like 900rpm, so with only 50 rounds thats doesnt last long. If you need to supress a target, pull the trigger faster, otherwise well aimed shots win gunfights.
like I said, I only went with the AR pistol because of money being tight. The P90 does a lot more than you give ot credit for

>>30200804
Is that gun case a modded guitar case because if so that's dope

>>30197966
>practical

Uh...no? Is it cool as fuck? Definitely. I'd get the ps90 and 5-7 for that pairing aspect, and as the ultimate plastic fantastics currently on the market.

>>30201117
It looks like a regular guitar case it doesn't actually fit in.

>>30197966

Is the most powerfull and efficient gun in human history, in fact is so perfect that you can only see it in one television show from the 90s.

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>>30200804
>that case

NICE

In full auto it has alot of side to side left to right movement. It's because of the way the receivers are attached. Also, Carpel tunnel will happen to you if you hold it for more than 30 min. Not kidding. It's bad. It has no feed ramp in the chamber which has caused a jam or two for me. I like the mag's and the feeding mechanism. Shit caliber though. Expensive and weak. If it was in 556 and had aftermarket grips then it'd be OK. The trigger is not good for semi auto btw, long and sticky trigger that travels straight back like an Aug.

>>30198370
And shooting at range wasn't the point of the P90. Frame is however you want but there are plenty if Californians that would love that extra 20 rounds

>>30200043
Complete with all the extra blast. At least compare one sbr to another ffs

>>30200693
Poor thing, they haven't given you the diagnosis yet have they?

>>30201617
>Poor thing, they haven't given you the diagnosis yet have they?
You can call a pig a duck, that won't make it quack.

>>30201397
You wanna know how I know you don't have one?

>>30199056
I stole mine from solidus. Dont tell him

he keeps fucking calling me asking if I know were it is.

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>>30201117
>>30201167
Violin case. Have to take it apart for it to fit. Still pretty cool.

>>30201213
That's why I bought it.

>>30203229
Do you play the violin though, anon?

>>30197966
In my country, it is the only non-Jewish, non-Chinese bullpup that you can legally own.

They're cool and all and I'd love to own one, but that 5.7 shit is the gay cousin of .22 and ridiculously expensive. $1200 for a tweener gun that really isn't good for anything is pretty steep too

>>30202513
not him but id like to hear.. f-faggot

>>30197981
We used to have them for shooting toasters but then they switched to CX4 Storm for some reason. Maybe they were worried about overpenetration on ships.

>>30203229

I have nothing to contribute to this thread except that I figured out my Stoeger Coach gun fits in a ukelele case when broken down.

P90/PS90s are neat though

>>30203309
No, sadly

>>30203611
That's pretty cool, I guess

>>30198157
Called him today. I'm in the same area code. Spent the same money on a stg44 from hmg. Will be a while...nice guy though

>>30201894
I wish i was on my phone, i have the perfect meme for how dumb this is.
Are you 60? Or from a flyover state?

>>30203516
Not him but i owned one and used it sometimes in competition , its a very comfy gun. The trigger is worse than the aug tho.

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I personally think my ps90 sbr is the ultimate home defense firearm

>>30204111
>high mount
>74 brake
Y
Otherwise agreed.

>>30204233
haven't bought the low profile mount yet,
74 brake for the keks

>>30204111
What's the foregrip on the EVO? I've never seen one like that, and my boner is holding me hostage for more information

>>30204335
Stark angled foregrip, and since it's angled, it's legal to add on your <26" pistol

>>30204256
The low profile mount I have is from Design Machine

>>30204072
The P90 is not a rifle, go fuck yourself.

>>30202513
I don't have one, just rent one at a range like 3 times a year and own an airshit of one. But how?

>>30198169
>Only 20 more rounds per mag
They make 50 rounders though

>>30203321
Canada? What about the FS2000?

>>30197966
>50 rounds
>publicly available full retard plans
>10.5" BBL in 19.5" OAL
>under 120db with subsonic ammo and a 5.7x28-rated 22 can
I DUNNO OP, SEEMS PRETTY FUCKING DANK TO ME!

>>30200595
Are you implying that you 1. Even own a five seven and 2. Are shooting it with 5.7 at 100 yards

>>30199546
>.223=gloryfied 22lr
>guarantied replies

>>30200553
chill pill ragebro

>>30206999

It kind of is since it doesn't fragment unless fired from a 20 inch barrel.

>>30207417
That's M855. M855A1 has reliable component separation from all rifles in service.

>>30197966
just as ugly as the last one.

>>30207994
>huuurrr wood
>huurrr plastic fantastic
>huuuuurrrr mah conventional rifle
>huuuurr

Fuck you. P90s are literal sex.

>>30197966
If they made them in 9mm they'd sell out faster than they could supply them on the civilian market. FN has enough military contracts to not give a shit about that though.

It's an awesome, innovative platform. But I don't know if 5.7 is practical for me.

>>30197966
I have one. It is crazy accurate if you can tame the trigger. Mags are relatively cheap despite how unusual they are. Ammo prices are expensive.

Pros:
accurate
reliable
Compact even with 16in barrel
Surprisingly quiet
Looks cool
Feels like it never runs out of ammo
Comes with three sets of irons from the factory

Cons:
Not as comfortable as fn claims
Outperformed in power and accuracy by a 7.5in AR pistol
Mags are long and bulky.
Top and rear heavy
Shitty cheekweld
Ammo is somewhat pricey

Does anyone here actually have a PS-90? If so, what sights/scopes are you using on them? Pics?

I have an old Eotech on mine and I'm looking for something smaller, that will blend well to the aesthetic of the rifle.

>>30198169

Yeah I think the ps90 loses alot of the benefits that make the p90 so good. Namely, ease of concealment, presentation, and maneuverability in small spaces.

The p90 sticks out from your weapon hand no more than a large pistol. The ps90 has no such advantage.

>>30198169
>>Weight and length not that much less than an M4
Let me guess....you actually never seen a PS90, let alone shoot one in real life?

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>>30208523

>>30208562
>M4 length and weight; 29.75" and 6.36 lbs.
>PS-90 length and weight; 26.23" and 6.39 lbs.
Not even him, but sit down.

>>30208562
I have fired one, my FLGS had one I rented. It's an interesting and fun gun to shoot, but when you can get an AR-15 for less than half the price, and ammo for $0.15/round cheaper, the extra performance you get out of it makes way more sense. Especially since the platform is so much more customizable.

>>30208512
>power and accuracy
My bad, I meant power and range.

>>30208583
No pic? Yeah you never held one in real life.

>>30208620
If you're sweating over a .15c difference...Yep it's not the gun for you.

>>30208783
Those are official stats you fucking cockmuncher, that prove the PS90 actually manages to be HEAVIER than an M4 and only slightly shorter. Eat a dick.

>>30198169
Idk about you, I use 50rd mags in mine. So theres that....

It's basically the most acceptable bullpup to /k/, far as I can tell.

I think it's because of "Goldeneye" (was best gun in game).

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>>30208783
>X gun really isn't that much bigger or heavier than & gun
>Lol have you even held Y gun?
>Here are hard numbers showing that X gun really isn't that much bigger, and in fact shows it manages to be a bit lighter than Y gun as well
>Lol just what I thought, you never even held Y gun

>>30208846
What about the Tavor? X95? those are pretty badass little bulpups, and run different calibers that aren't so weak.

I'm looking at an X95 in 300blk next.

>>30208900
>meme gun in a meme caliber
Nice one.

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>>30209408
I've been running 300blk for 2 years. Not a bad caliber.

>>30208583
May want to slap an extra pound in there if you wanna count the weight for an extra 20 rounds

>>30208429
If they made them in 9mm they would have to redesign the magazine and likely the feed mechanism.

.40 or 10mm would be easier due to less case taper but the recould would be rougher and it would be maybe 40rounds.

>>30204437
nice, those look good

>>30198247
rip dugan

>>30197966
It's comfy as fuck. Caliber is hard to get a lot of. Mags are long and unweildly. It feels good, but has next to no practicality or real functionality that another SMG or SBR isn't capable of.

>>30203229
That is based as fuck.

>>30208512
>shitty cheekweld
If you don't have a low profile mount maybe

>Ammo is somewhat pricey
Buy online. I pay around $.35-37 a round. That's not really pricey.

>>30208523
I have a PA advanced microdot on a design machine T1 mount. Looks really good in my opinion. >>30200804

>>30208583
PS90 is just under 20" when you SBR it.

>>30201022
What cal did you go with for the pistol?

>>30204435
Are there any letters specifically stating this?
I believe that the general approval for AFG was for the magpul, I can see the ATF saying this is different.

>>30205024
I'll be honest, I was talking out of my ass about 30% of the time.

From my very quick Googling, it is of my understanding that the FS2000 is legal in Canada, but I know not of any well-known Canadian retailer that sells it.

>>30210981
All angled foregrip are good to go. This has been common knowledge for like a decade.

>>30199045
> is the ps90 compatible w/stanag mags
Bloo bloo bloo a bloo bloo bloo

>>30210981
newfags

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>>30198318
I'm living your dream

>>30198494
AUG is no where near as accurate as you make it out to be.

>>30198540
>>crippled version of the gun designed around full auto
so
much like many other excellent semis on the market?

>>30208799
Literally anyone who has ever fired or owns a PS90 knows just how well balanced it is, making it feel much lighter than it is.

That's what I mean about you nogunz faggots. You think googling shit = to actually having IRL experience about shit you talk about on /k/.

>>30199614
Less than 1% of gun owners will ever fire a weapon to protect their lives. Buy one or two guns you would trust your life to, and after that, buy the guns that make you happy.

>>30197966
Honestly it is an awesome gun. The ammo is just fucking retarded to find and is honestly meh in my opinion.

I love the gun, I just wish it wasn't a pain to feed.

>>30215513
wow nice throwing axe m8 do you have scavenger pro as well?

>>30198004
Except despite what your retarded fudd great uncle told you .30 carbine was a proven cartridge that nearly replicates .357 Magnum.

5.7 is glorified 22 magnum.

>>30217864
Really? Have crates of it at my local Cabela's

>>30217905
Thats probably why... Nearest cabela's to me is like 2hrs away. We have a dicks that sells ammo and a few ranges and gun stores that sell ammo but only 1 that sells ammo for the p90 and even then never more than 50-100 rnds. Even then they are stingy with selling it because they have a P90 as a rental.

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love the AUG more than anything but really liked the PS90 when I had it also. i regret ever getting rid of mine but i couldnt resist selling it during the panic buying. I wish I had held onto it and SBR'd it.

>>30200804
so sick

>>30197981
Fpbp desu senpai

>>30217886
Yeah no. U dumb

>>30217955
Buy it online. That's what I do. I have 3000 rds of 5.7

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I love mine, but I don't get why they had to make the sight/rail so fucking high.

I would absolutely cream myself if I could get this, so optics would actually shit at a reasonable height

>>30217864
Both the local Academy Sports and some farm supply store near me both carry it. Best bet is to just order it online because it tends to be cheaper that way.

>>30219129
That's what I do. Gunbot is great for hunting down deals. But, not everyone everywhere can have ammo shipped to their house.

>>30218010
That case is great, really one of the best cases I've ever bought. Assuming that's what you're talking about.

>>30220238
But a low profile mount. I run the one from Design Machine and it puts the optic as low as possible.

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>>30220238
I had a very serious issue with PS90 optics height.

After sampling low mounts and what not, I got this for the MRO.

http://dmachineri.com/products

Excellent solution.

Pictures related. My current PS90 setup, with the machined trigger, extra large charging handle, some side rails, and kave man mag rollers.

Form 1 already approved, just need engraving.

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>>30220238
>>30222219

A look at the optics height.

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>>30220238
>>30222236

A better look at the mounting solution

>>30222180
mein niggah from 'notha hood.

I see we both dig dat design machine mount

>>30222262
Mines; >>30200804

I love it. Put the optic right where it should be. People I know that shot mine with the old set-up say the lower mount is much better.

>>30222349
is that the CMMG muzzle device? I just got mine today, along with the barrel and a thread adapter for suppressor use

mein niggah.

>>30222369
Yes it is. Didn't buy the adapter. Figured if I want one I can always just buy it then.

>>30200043
>still gives you a 500m rifle, vs 200m for the P90
It's not like you're going to engage enemy with your stumpy AR-15 at 500 yards anyway.
You sound like the old fart that dislike intermediate cartridges.

>>30217757
>just how well balanced it is, making it feel much lighter than it is.
Just stop, dude.

>>30222611
he ain't wrong. You should stop being a fucking faggit and go shoot one.

>>30222666
Weight is weight, you don't deny physics like that.

>>30222672
you know how I know you have very little to no experience with firearms?

Yeah.

If you want to talk about physics, go calculate the moment difference between a PS90 and a dinky MK18, which isn't even effective to 500M with 55gr projectiles.

>>30222702
Why did you pretend to be someone else when you replied? I'm glad you finally got to rent your favorite CS gun at a range and shoot it, but the amount of tryhard you're displaying here is pretty sad.

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>>30208581
>p90 with one of those 2x or 1.5x acogs

I didn't even know I needed this until just now.

>>30222702
> moment difference between a PS90 and a dinky MK18, which isn't even effective to 500M with 55gr projectiles.
One of these shoots cheaper ammo with far more loads to choose from, weighs all of 6 pounds, has a better aftermarket, has more than double the effective range of the other gun, and is easier to reload. It's not the PS90. Why the fuck did you try to compare the performance of a carbine to a NFA-safe PDW? You should have known the PS90 would get shit on in almost every category. Do you even own a gun? Be honest here. Post pics.

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>>30222735
>I'm glad you finally got to rent your favorite CS gun at a range and shoot it

what did you say to me faggit?

>>30222898
Think I see why you think the PS-90 is so better; you have shitty ARs to compare it to

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>>30222884
>One of these shoots cheaper ammo with far more loads to choose from
don't care. Whatever I shoot at is going to die anyway.

>has a better aftermarket
I have all my PS90 aftermarket needs covered

>has more than double the effective range of the other gun
True, but I like PS90 ergo for confined space, and in confined space, I probably won't engage targets out to 400 meters

>is easier to reload
I don't reload

>Why the fuck did you try to compare the performance of a carbine to a NFA-safe PDW?
Because that faggit brought up the MK18.

>you should have known the PS90 would get shit on in almost every category.
Nope

>Do you even own a gun?
Yes, quite a few

>Be honest here. Post pics
Here are some of them. Can't take out everyone for a gay 4chan photo op.

My questions are
1) how poor are you
2) how dumb are you?
3) how jelly are you?

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>>30223050
That DD stock is looking tight

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>>30222884
See photo name

>>30222943
>you have shitty AR
I know a lot of (rich) folks with guns, exactly 2 of them can legitimately claim that I have "shitty" guns compared to them.

You don't play in their league.

>>30223086
which one homie? DD5V1 on the left. DDM4V11 on the right.

>>30197966
The only trips fag I give 2 fucks about has one....... yeah. You.
I can only assume...
Unless you need it in your life.....meh

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>>30223105

>>30223050
>I
>I
>I
We're talking mechanical merits of these guns, not your personal preferences. Try and keep up.
>I like PS90 ergo for confined space
Neat, now let's take a look at these short ARs which manage to be not much longer or even shorter, that still manage to reach out farther than a PS90 could even dream.
>I don't reload
I promise you swap out magazines, unless you were actually stupid enough to assume handloading. Spoiler; swapping mags is a hell of a lot easier and faster on an AR. Ask how I know.
>Because that faggit brought up the MK18.
And you should have known that a MK18 will shit on the PS90 in terms of range, load variety, aftermarket, terminal ballistics, speed of reload, and other handy dandy aspects, all while being in the same area of weight and length.
>Nope
Name the ways a CQB AR doesn't shit on a PS90. I'll wait.
>Here are some of them
Oh, so it really is more money than smarts at play here.

PDWs are a very, very niche weapon family that have, rightfully, been largely made irrelevant by carbines. Everyone, except you apparently, has gotten that memo. All you've done is try to argue that balance, and a Mk.18 is a nicely balanced weapon in case you didn't know, somehow excuses having inferior range, ammo selection, and ergonomics, all when both compared weapons are virtually identical in how they carry. Take off the goggles, stop hurling middle school insults, and smell the roses.

>>30223183
I guess for people with stupid amounts of money having a niche weapon is just fine. It's something interesting to have. Of course, he goes full retard defending it against practical, broader scope of use rifles as if it's "clearly superior," when its designed purpose is fairly limited, primarily for security details and armor crews.

>>30223183
listen, I know you come from a poor background and really couldn't afford a good education, not to mention that malnutrition during your formative years have stunted your already marginal intellectual potential, so I'll keep this short and sweet.

I made the point that the PS90 is a very comfortable gun to shoot (my first post on that "discussion" here: >>30222666). And let's be honest, no one thinks a 5.7mm projectile can be combat effective out to 500m, and I never claimed as such. This was about ergo and short range effectiveness until poverty ridden fags started jumping in with the shit posting.

You, particularly, started talking about the "mechanical" merits of the AR platform and how it is a better system based on a set of criteria curated by YOU.

Here's a hint: I don't give a shit about YOU.

I bought the gun for ME.

So when you asked why I (I being the key word here) would compare the two (which was really a comparison started by >>30200043, I gave you my rationale

but no, your internet inferiority complex has taken hold, and you MUST win this debate, by sheer volume and faggitry if necessary.

Which is fine by me, because

1) you're stupid
2) you're poor
3) due to 1 and 2, your opinion holds little sway to me.

type away, internet warrior. And remember that regardless of the number of words you type, you will always live in abject poverty (at least compared to me)

Ciao

>>30209793
The original mag design FN used for the P90 was chambered in 9mm.

It's possible and able to function reliably, if you account for the taper.

>>30223335
>YOU POOR
>YOU STUPID
>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
You are a stupid, stupid insecure manchild. You have clearly stated how you thought there were "minute" (you said "moment", so let's assume you meant minute) differences between a MK18 and a PS90. It's right here >>30222702. Those mechanical criteria dictated as important by me are basic. fucking. aspects to consider in a weapon. I promise you that people who actually use their weapons instead of posting them in front of a monitor with 2002 internet insults rather like having weapons with flexible combat effective ranges, lots of aftermarket, intuitive and fluid ergonomics, and different loads to choose from. Jesus, that's shit most casual shooters like to take advantage of.

No, the moment someone said a PS-90 really wasn't that much lighter or smaller than a compact AR, you flew off the tracks and started screeching about people never shooting guns like a fucking grade schooler. When it was proven that the PS90 genuinely isn't that much lighter or smaller than a compact AR, you did that retarded argument that it was all about balance. When other advantages for the AR were brought up, you handwaved them about how they weren't important to you. You don't have a leg to stand on, you never did. How fucked up is your life that you have to validate your apparent wealth and expertise like a literal child on 4chan? You're not making me angry, you're making me feel abject sympathy for you.

PDWs are meant to excel in CQB. This is an abject fact. So was the P90, and its retarded NFA sibling the PS90. Unfortunately for you, and your obvious simmering buyer's remorse, carbines have evolved to be just as good, if not superior, in the aspects of short-range combat and concealment than a relatively bulky PDW like the P90, while offering more versatile performance. This is all objective fact and what you have been arguing against since the beginning. Deal with it.

>>30208429
very few of use really require a great amount of practicality in our firearms. If you're in a line of work that requires a practical firearm, you will be issued one.

PS90, especially the SBR, is a very innovative system, and very comfortable to shoot. And right now, they're cheap. If you can afford the ammo, which is about 40c a round including shipping, it's an excellent choice for iron sight distances.

>>30223333
I won't deny it's a fun gun to shoot and a hell of a novelty, but this dipshit flipping his lid over people pointing out basic advantages other weapons has over it is just sad. Even in that limited target market it was designed for the P90 has been largely superseded by carbines.

>>30223446
>You have clearly stated how you thought there were "minute" (you said "moment", so let's assume you meant minute)

I feel....very sorry for you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_(physics)

No not really. You're just dumb.

Please, take a minute or two and reflect on your pathetic life. Perhaps there is still hope for you.

>>30223486
Are you still replying? I thought you were leaving.

>>30223446
oh, and one more thing.

You're fucking dumb. (Sorry, but I heard repeating a point facilitates communication with morons. At least that's what they told me in my management class).

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>>30223486
You were still directly comparing those two weapons and they are very very lopsided in terms of overall performance in a way that didn't support your position tho

>>30223493
couldn't resist. You'll have to excuse me. I typically don't get the chance to throw a tirade at truly stupid people (at least in my professional life).

The experience is just so...tantalizingly sweet.

>>30223519
>>30223502
And now we're straight into the ad-hom without any point refutation. You literally post like a child. Cheers.

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>have SBR ARs
>still like the PS90 better
lol

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>>30223446

>>30199802
...it is an actual barrel

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>>30223335

>>30223537
because for people with extraordinary stupidity, ad hominems is all they deserve.

While some say "Manner maketh Man", I would like to politely remind them that modern civilization is actually predicated on cold logic and swift retribution for that stray from it.

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>this thread
Did I step into a fucking middle school locker room?

>>30223413
[citation]

>>30223655
>complete aspie fighting a mentally stunted daddy'smoneyfag
>unironic uses of GTFO and faggit
>lulzy where-is-my-thesaurus attempts at trying to appear intelligent
it all checks out, so yeah. watch out for the rat tails.

>>30223655
Where do you think you are?

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>>30223622
>people with extraordinary stupidity
>>30223050
>I don't reload

>>30223731
Not him, but when you have 50 rounds, you don't really need to.

>>30223773
That's pretty dum m80

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I got a standard model and swapped the shitty mile high rail out for a black ring sight. $1000 for the gun and $400 for the sight. $200 for the tax stamp I'm waiting on. No ragrets I fucking love it

If you complain about "civilian ammo is shit" or "pointless without full auto" then ur a fag lol

>>30223806
Not really, no.

>>30223808
>paying $400 for a garbo sight
I mean hey, if you want authenticity that's cool I guess. I hope you at least got a gen 1/2 trigger pack while you're at it.

>>30223812
Ya reelly, because 50 =/= infinitah

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>>30223822
It's not bad at all, I considered mounting a T1 but I wanted the authenticity.

I'm not so cucked that I'm going to pay $500+ for a trigger pack just because it's a different color though. Or because of the silly spring trick

Was really impressed when I learned about this feature

>>30223697
HEY MAN, I MIGHT BE MENTALLY STUNTED, BUT IT'S ALL MY MONEY.

and you sound like a faggit.

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>>30223856
I know a guy who makes original profile aluminum hammer/sears for cheapsies, a lot better than dropping new gun prices on a hunk of plastic. No disconnectors of course, that'd be no bueno.Toss in some lighter trigger springs, grease up the transfer bar, and slap in a gucci aluminum trigger and it's straight sex to shoot.

I find the strikefire II looks pretty damn snazzy on it, or maybe I'm just saying that because I got it with the gun for free.

>>30197966
I don't want a PS90 anymore.

>>30223930
DON'T FUCKING LIE. YOU KNOW YOU WANT ONE.

>>30223876
whatever you say.

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I want to believe

>>30223948
well, typically, whatever I say is whatever happens.

A corollary of high income.

Not really practical, more of a range toy than anything else. I mean you COULD use it in an actual OPER8OR SERIOUS BIZNESS scenario, but there's no real reason to these days. Pretty much supplanted by intermediate caliber SBRs for a reason; you get better performance with a weapon that's all in all not much heavier and isn't all that much bigger....

>>30223998
it's cool man, you don't have to prove anything to me.

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>>30223976
its airshit but still..

>>30224019
oh good. I thought I had to overnight you my latest tax filings.

>>30224035
it's all good man. let it go.

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>>30223916
I actually don't find the trigger bad at all for the gun it is. Sure it's spongy and long but it's a consistent pull weight with a fairly surprising and clean break. Combined with the fact that it's such low recoil and noise I find it very easy to shoot accurately.

The aluminum trigger parts sound tempting though, I've heard at least one person say they've had their plastic trigger parts break. Ever had any problems with yours? I haven't had any jams but I've only got about 300 rounds through mine.

>>30224045
Ok cool. I'm taking deep breaths and counting to 10, like my really hot therapist suggested.

>>30224055
Never had any issues with the stock trigger, and in truth the aftermarket aluminum one offers effectively nothing, but it looks nice and in my opinion feels much better and isn't quite as binding as plastic on plastic in my experience.

I imagine the catch for the link would be prone to breaking, though you really don't have any reason to mess with it often if at all.

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>>30224068
let it go.
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t
i
t
g
o
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>>30224055
can you use that sight in low light without a flash light?

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>>30224096
They're illuminated, yo.

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>>30224082
Every time I take the trigger pack out I feel like I'm going to break that little lever.

>>30224096
Depends on what you're sighting against. They have tritium lamps and I can still see the red in mine but it's very dim. In general though I wouldn't rely on one for home defense when there are clearly better options available.

You can buy a battery operated illuminator for the ring, you have to dig out the rubber that traps the tritium lamp and put a little LED in there and reseal it. I don't want to do that because I don't want to permanently modify my sight, maybe I will one day though.

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>>30224082
I actually had some issues with the stock trigger. The stock geometry was very flat on the bottom end. Coupled with the smooth surface, it sometimes caused me to mess up a followup shot.

With the aftermarket trigger, I don't have to mind my trigger pull so much

>>30224086
counting to 10 worked. I then fantasized about my really hot therapist.

>>30223998
Your money means nothing here.

Maybe that's why you're throwing the tantrum.

>>30224296
maybe.

or maybe I just have very low tolerance for stupidity.

>>30205320
>publicly available full retard plans
bro where, I can't find any select fire control groups anywhere

>>30224403
He's joking. You need a whole new trigger group, like the Aug.

>>30224569
I figured, any idea where I can buy one?

>>30223446
>than a relatively bulky PDW like the P90

People have said the same shit about the F2000 and G11. I don't find the F/FS2000 OR THE P/PS90 bulky at all and the handful of people that have handled the G11 say it's comfortable. Armchair be like mosins kicking hard

>>30224403
Gen 1 & 2 trigger packs can easily be converted, gen 3's are a little more involved, but you can ghetto rig it with a rubber band & 2 minuets with a small flat file.

>>30224569
I thought that was what drives gen 1 and 2 trigger packs so high, they have all the parts necessary already in the trigger pack and all you have to do is make some sort of modification the the plastic stock housing. I don't actually know what modification but it would be cool to figure out what it is.

>>30224927
I don't have one and don't want one, but what is the process involved with the gen 1 and 2 trigger packs? I don't get it.

>>30224944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5crF2CSZs

>>30224990
Looks like a pain in the ass. I was led to believe it was something you could easily un-do. I guess you could buy a spare trigger pack that you haven't fucked with.

>>30225042
I know there is another way that involves flipping a spring in the safety/trigger/trigger linkage that allows for F/A as well, but i'm not 100% sure on how you do it.

>>30225084
Well from the video I guess you can add material to the disconnector to get there.

>>30224910
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/relatively

>>30204435
Did you have to get a SBR tax stamp for your Scorpion, or is that stock some special exemption?

>>30226708
Looks like one of those AR pistol blade stocks.

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>>30223856
>that mag placement
Greetings from /u/ ;-;7

>>30226722
You mean the armwrap aid that is not technically a stock so long as you don't shoulder in plain sight of the BATFE?

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>>30223542
>PS90, nice
>SB-AR, niiiice
>Fucking deagle brand deagle

I like it

the PS90's are great SBR candidates, but you really do have to be invested in the platform

>mags are fuckhueg
>ammo is not the easiest to source locally
>mags are definitely not convenient to carry around
>trigger is spongy as all hell

if you really really like the PS90 and 5.7, go for it, but you will have to SBR it

dont even bother trying to get your barrel cut, theres a shroud over it for that good ol 16", just buy a new SBR length barrel, you will save money and time that way

>>30226770
Yeah, that shitty thing.

>>30226795
>ammo is not the easiest to source locally

Stop this. I live in a town of less that 1000 people and can find two stores within a 30 minute drive that sell ammo for it. If you cannot find it you are either not looking or just stupid.

I'll give you the magazines and the trigger not being the greatest.

>>30226732
I'm not Marisa but he does still post

The best way to summon him is a thread making fun of 5.7

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>>30227664

>>30226795
TROSUSA does barrel cuts. Mine turned out just fine and is cheaper than another barrel.

>>30226824
Had a FiveSeven for a while, literally impossible to get ammo locally in a 100 mile radius. You're more than welcome to find a shop anywhere near Silver City, NM that would carry it. Your experience =/= that of everyone else. Grow up.

>>30197966
Complete fucking waste of money.

>>30198004
No, that would be the CX4.

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>>30231689
>these wrong opinions

>>30200804
mein neger

>>30204444
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/rifle

So it doesn't fit that definition?

>>30231923
In strictest military definitions it's a Personal Defense Weapon, which is a subtype of Sub-Machine Guns. SMGs are compact weapons that fire pistol caliber weapons. PDWs fire small-caliber, high velocity pistol rounds like the 5.7x28 and 4.6x30.

>>30231736
Fuck off, tripfag. The CX4, like the m1, has muzzle energy asking to a .357 magnum while being exceedingly ergonomic and chambered in a common caliber. It's also stupidly simple to disassemble and clean.

It, like the m1, is light, handy, takes 15 round mags with optional 30 rounders available, and, like the m1, twi spares are commonly kept on the stock.


The p90 has literally nothing in common with the m1 aside from "small" and "not a full size round."

It's a niche gun, and once it's made civilian legal, it can no longer fill that niche. It's no longer tiny, it isn't capable of automatic fire to overcome the tiny, tiny wounds it inflicts, the ammo is difficult to find, it shares mags with exactly nothing, and it's a pain in the ass to disassemble.


It's a complete fucking waste of money unless you want a range toy. If you actually have a purpose in mind for it, the ps90 is NEVER the best choice unless the purpose is "sg-1 cosplay."

>>30232253
That doesn't mean it isn't a rifle.
The PS90 is also in legal terms, a fucking rifle.

>>30232308
>If you actually have a purpose in mind for it, the ps90 is NEVER the best choice unless the purpose is "sg-1 cosplay."
Then it's the perfect gun for me.

On an unrelated note, I own one of the non-blank firing prop P90's used on the show. It's an off brand airsoft gun that has been slightly modified to look more real. The magazine is filled with actual dummy 5.7mm rounds.

I don't get to talk about it much, but I think it's the coolest think I own. I paid $45 for it (they had a big pile of them) at a convention.

>>30232335
>Then it's the perfect gun for me.
More power to you then. I will say that "I own the gun from X show" tends to get the interest of nerdy girls FAST.

Unless it's stupid shit like an AR.

>>30199614
Well I don't know the answer to the question and frankly I don't care and neither should you. Do people really buy weapons for being "practical" rather than looking cool or fun?

>>30232308
>It's no longer tiny
It's shorter in overall length than my krinkov with the 16" barrel, and you can file for a tax stamp if you wish. It's shorter than a CX4 for sure.

>>30232398
>It's shorter than a CX4 for sure.

By a whopping 3.5 inches. I know you think your dick is long, but it isn't.

>muh tax stamp!
And I can do the same with a host of other guns and make them smaller.

This isn't a point in the ps90s favor. The p90 is a niche gun.

the ps90 can't fill that niche and is overly expensive for what it does.

>>30222219
jesus christ $130 for a thumb sized chunk of metal

>>30232428
You'll be hard pressed to make a gun shorter than a PS90 SBR while retaining a full stock. See >>30224141

>>30232439
There are cx4s owners running aorund with 23 inch guns and a full stock.

You gain, again, around 3.5 inches with the ps90.

It's a cool gun, and would be a fun range toy, but at the price point they sell for, and with the lack of automatic fire, it absolutely never qualifies a s"practical" for a civilian gun owner.

If you NEED an ultratiny gun, and can't hanlde the extra 3 inches, get a sub2k and keep it folded.

>>30232494
If you want to talk pure practicality anything that isn't an intermediate carbine shouldn't even be considered to begin with.

>>30232530
Indoor spaces exist, anon.

>>30231442
And thats YOUR experience based on your area. I can find .38super, 10mm, .50ae,6.8spc, 6.5grendel, 5.7x28, slavshit,.338A-square and federal, .50bmg and all kinds of other shit at the local academy sports in SWLA. Nobody here can pronounce sign sauer or fabrique nationale, but but we have all of that

>>30232562
...yes, and? Are you implying they can't be short too?

>>30199133
>The Aug trigger is better than a stock ar trigger
wat

Have you ever even held an AUG? Met another human who has fired one?
The biggest complaint is the fucking trigger.

>>30232573
No. I'm implying they're a much greater risk for over penetration and are rarely, if ever, very comfortably operated with a single hand. Something that is useful if you're going to potentially be shoving people or opening doors.

>>30232597
Nigger do you not realize 5.56 handles that better than 9mm.

>>30199702
I shoot wild dogs on my property with a .177 Gamo. If you get the expanding rounds and go for an eye shot, it's a nearly guaranteed kill. It's only maybe 25 yards so it's not even hard to accomplish. I think they say my model is accurate out to 75 yards with the right ammo. Still, you can kill small canines with pretty much anything if you know what you're doing.

The hardest part is getting rid of a rabid dog corpse.

>>30232568
Good for you, but you said anyone who couldn't find 5.7 locally was either not looking or was stupid. Do you not get how this works?

>>30222672
how 2 physics, what is moment arm, what is more weight is inthe front/rear

Jesus I'm noguns and even I understand what they mean.

>>30232313
>ATF definitions meaning jack shit about the weapons themselves

>Pictured: a "pistol" that becomes an illegal SBR if you shoulder it
>String "machine gun"

>>30232751
See
>>30231923

>>30232828
>Being this much of a twat that only the dictionary definition is valid

>>30232436
jesus christ have you ever rented time on a CNC mill before?

How about paying for design consultations because you don't know GD&T?

>>30231442
https://www.highplainsgunshop.com/
http://www.highplainsgunshop.com/ss198-500

in your state, not just the sporting round, but SS198.

New Mexico does not have restrictions on online ammo purchase.

>>30233491
That's nice, except the whole conversation revolved around getting ammo locally.

>>30226708
it's a shockwave blade, it doesn't count as a stock according to the atf

>>30233560
so you complain about the lack of availability even when you live in one of the least restrictive states and in state shipping is available?

You do know poor people can get secured credit cards, right? But you can stick with your shit guns. Nobody cares.

I just want to take this opportunity to point out to you that it's the Year of Our Lord 2016.

By the way, if your vagina is so sandy, just get your local shop to special order a case or two for you. Not that hard.

>>30234466
>>30233560

oh, as an aside, I bought my PS90 from highplains, and I live in Michigan.

>>30234466
I know that you dumb nigger, it's the only way I've managed to keep my FiveSeven fed the four years I've had it. We were talking about getting ammo locally, I can't get it locally. Fuck off.

>>30234488
but you CAN get it.

And the fact that you can get it at a discounted price makes your entire argument against the gun rather moot.

But it's ok, I know you're dumb. Keep doing what you're doing, retard. I hope life works out for you in the end (I don't, really, but it never hurts to be polite)

>>30234615
Yeah, I can, and I have, but that's not the point of the conversation. I'm sorry you're stupid and likely trolling for (you)s on a Friday night instead of interacting with people in real life.

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>>30226708
>>30234428

>>30234488
>The median income for a household in the town was $25,881, and the median income for a family was $31,374. Males had a median income of $28,476 versus $18,434 for females. The per capita income for the town was $13,813. About 17.7% of families and 21.9% of the population were below the poverty line, including 29.2% of those under age 18 and 10.0% of those age 65 or over.

Silver City.

>>30234631
Also I'm not even arguing against the gun, like wtf are you even on about you dipshit. It's by far my favorite pistol and the only guns I've shot more than it are my luger and the .22 I got from my grandpa. Lol, get bent son.

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really be great when this thread and its b8poster manage to finally vanish....

>>30234631
>but that's not the point of the conversation

>ammo is not the easiest to source locally

Actually, the point now has shifted from not being able to get ammo to you being a fucking retard.

I understand that you don't really understand the nuances of logical analysis, so let me just spell it out for you:

Not having the ammo in a brick and mortar does not impact your ammo supply if your state has no ammo shipping restrictions.

Your original argument was a red herring, at least to your situation.

tl;dr?

Dumb anon-kun, please stop making logical fallacies in the future.

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>>30234669
I can make that happen :^)

>>30234643
>Also I'm not even arguing against the gun
you're arguing against the effortless adoption of the platform.

How bad are your public schools? From the census data, the area seems pretty poor.

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>>30234705

>>30234632
yo dawg, you need to lose that A2 grip.

>>30234689
...is this guy for real? what part of locally do you not get, as in, handing money to people within the community instead of outside of it. like, how hard is this to understand?

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Crashing shit thread

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>>30234727
After reading through this thread, he's likely a troll, might be a genuine retard. Either way, threadkill.

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>>30234738

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This pic makes my peepee hard

>>30234727
>handing money to people within the community instead of outside

I'm sorry. I didn't realize you are not a free market realist and most likely had trouble getting your GED.

My apologies.

>>30234738
stop posting that gay as 5-7 in this thread, faggit.

>>30234769
yeah? guess what? You can buy it here:

>>30233491

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No survivors

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>>30234784
You can buy my diq lololol

>>30234804
sorry, I don't own an electron microscope to examine the goods.

>>30234804

>expensive sbr
>shoots expensive ammo
>fucking truglo
literally fucking why

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Is there a 5.56 P90 version?

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>>30234855
lol idk

>>30234880

pvs 14 doesnt even have a fucking reticle. She should put that truglo in front of it. Or an NCstar with a 6 color reticle.

Who are these people?

>>30234877
If this motherfucker isn't a /k/ommando, no one is.

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>>30234910
lol idk

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>tfw you wish you got issued a babby AR

>>30234922

>ps90
>$1500
>no rail

wtf has the world come to?
inb4 lol idk

>>30234937
That has the factory sight. Very good system.

>>30234720
I like the A2 grip.

>>30234943

>expensive ass biotech rifle in 40 watt range
>shit 21st century red dot

fucking why

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>Oh hey, a P90 thre-

>>30197966
It's neat, a local SWAT member I'm friends with owns one. Let me fuck around with it a couple months ago. The ammo being snowflake is the only reason I'd never want to own one.

>>30234976
To be fair about half of it was good and informative. Shame about a few bad apples ruining the rest of it.

>>30235019
>The ammo being snowflake is the only reason I'd never want to own one
Spotted the guy who didn't read the thread.