Whats /k/'s opinion on the SIG 556? (Semi-auto SIG 550)

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>>30197594

I have a 550.

Its a really really nice and accurate and high quality AK.

Also rattle rattle.

Sig sauer stopped making them and is focusing on the gay ass XI

Who fucking cares what /k/ thinks? Go fucking shoot one and form your own god damn opinion. No one here even shoots

>>30197733
Why are you here?


>who cares what opinions others have about my potential purchases?

>better not ask around and see if something is a waste of money, might offend angry retards on the internet.

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>>30197594
>>30197698
>SIG 556 = SIG 550
>Sig Sauer

just no, pic related is a SIG 550
also Sig Sauer doesn't make the real SIG rifles, just cheap knock-offs for the american market

>>30197774
And OP is obviously interested in the American clone, fuck off autismo.

>>30197594
>SIG 556? (Semi-auto SIG 550)
No it isnt
The 550 series is on a diferent planet quality wise.
Hell you can buy a 556 here for half the price of a 553 or 551 but still people dont buy it because it is a piece of crap compared to the original

>>30197594
SIG 556 are utter shit. The only ""good"" thing is the XI handguard.

If you want a good SIG 550, just buy one from Swissarms, the real company behind it

>>30197774
>>30197780

What are the primary differences between the 556 and the 550? Fit and finish I already assume, but is the 556 a jam-o-matic or an inaccurate gun?

>>30197850
Less accurate, less durable, mass produced and not "hand-made"

>>30197849

When you say utter shit, do you mean like Browning BAR (hunting rifle version) levels of shit, or just /k/'s usual level of derision directed at things like the WASR or the PTR?

>>30197864
When I say utter shit I really mean utter shit, it's not an hyperbole. The original SIG 550 is light-years from the SIG 556 quality wise

>>30197862

So is it reasonable to assume a 556 will only shoot 10 rounds in 3" at 100 yards, when a 550 would shoot 1.5"?

What about failure rate. Would I expect to see something like 1 FTF per magazine with a 556?

Apologies for so many questions, but I am interested in the rifle compared to say an MCX or even the 716, so I'm trying to get a somewhat objective view on just how bad the 556 line is.

>>30197875
>when a 550 would shoot 1.5"
It is more like 0.5 inch on 100 yards (to use the retard system)
The acuracy of the 556 isnt worse than a standart ar15.
The malfunction rate shouldnt be that bad but it wont reach the level of a 550 series rifle.
I would say it is over all a decent gun comparabel with the performance a normal ar15 but it have no chance against the original

>>30197875
Well the SIG 550 can be used as a sniper rifle because of its accuracy. It's one of the few rifle that can be used for 300m sport shooting right of the factory. Even a kid can hit the target dead center first time with it (that's real though)

556 would probably not fail every magazine because if so it wouldn't sell but it will jam and fail often if you use it regularly when the original 550 rarely does. I've been using mine for nearly 7 years now and I never encountered any problem.

I understand don't worry /komrad. It's normal to ask questions before putting money in a rifle

>>30197594
A former coworker has one and I got to shoot it on range day.

I only ran one mag through it, but I didn't have any problem hitting steel silhouettes out to 300m. (Had a four power optic on it)

The trigger was weird, it almost felt like a paintball gun, not sure how I feel about it. It didn't have any malfunctions, and there were probably 500+ rounds through it on just that range day.

I dunno why everybody is saying its poor quality, nothing about it struck me as substandard, I'd think about buying one if they were a bit cheaper desu.

>>30197901
>one of the few rifle that can be used for 300m sport shooting right of the factory.

GTFO you no guns faggot

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>>30197961
Sport shooting like in precision sport shooting not like in "I just want to touch the target"

>noguns
Posses 2 rifles, 1 revolver and 1 gun. Served in the military, shooting instructor and part of a Young Shooters society

>>30197961
There's a difference between precision sport shooting and shooting at a target for lulz /komrad

>>30197977
Whatever you say.

Literally any decent centerfire rifle should be able to consistently hit the target at 300m.

If by "sport shooting" you are referring to a specific sport, you should specify which one. Otherwise you sound like a no guns faggot implying that most guns can't hit a target at 300m.

>>30197898

> .5" extreme spread 10 round group
> From the factory

That's better than any current issue SASS in production. Hell, that's better than any factory offered bolt action gun that I'm aware of. Someone had better tell Sako to step it up.

These kind of statements plus >>30197901's assertation that a child with no training in bucking wind can use the rifle to hit a target at 300y make me a little suspect on the threads objectivity regarding this entire line of rifles.

>>30197986
What is "precision sport shooting"? Cause that's not what you said in your comment, you said "sport shooting", and "precision sport shooting" is not any sort of shooting sport we have here in the US, nor does google bring up any specific results for the term "precision sports shooting".

Also, why are you samefagging?

>>30198001
>These kind >>30197901's assertation that a child with no training in bucking wind can use the rifle to hit a target at 300y make me a little suspect on the threads objectivity regarding this entire line of rifles.
Well in Switzerland they literally give SIG 550 to 13 years old to participate in competitions and most of them hit the center the very first day.

>>30197996
>>30198009

Not that guy, but you're being a nigger. He's obviously Swiss, so just go google "Swiss sports shooting".

If you can't even be fucked to do that, he's talking .5" groupings at 300m.

>>30197614
Why the horrid leaf though digging everything else.

>>30197996
>should be able
That's the word. Every rifle can hit a target at 300m but that doesn't mean they can score a good score in a championship
>>30198009
Literally the Olympic discipline anon

>Why are you samefagging?
I'm >>30197977 not >>30197986

>>30198018

In that case, a 13 year old hitting a (I assume) 12x12 target at 300 yards after a full day of training sounds a bit more practical.

>>30198019

If Swiss Arms is actually putting out factory rifle shooting out .167 moa extreme spread rifles, then I hope the Swiss government liquidates them for ineptitude in business practice. They could be winning EVERY single precision competition and government bidding contract for a new SASS rifle ever.

Was there a typo in your post, or do you not see how impossible what you just wrote sounds.

>>30198064
The first day is just the instruction: learn the security rules, the name of every part, learn how to take them apart and put it back together and how to clean it, learn how the rifle works and all the info like size, weight, speed of the bullet etc... and finally how to fire and how to adjust sights. The second day they give you a 18 bullets magazine and you fire it for the first time

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I just wanted to learn more about the 556.

Instead, I got a thread filled with fairy tales about the 550, a rifle so magical that just handing one to a Swiss child means that he or she can literally shoot the eye out of any foreign invader at 300m.

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>>30198123
Op here, and holy shit this took off faster than wild fire.

>>30198123
>not accepting the hard truth
Come to Switzerland by April, opening of the shooting season, and you'll see it before your own eyes

i hear SIG rifles are a bit front heavy

>>30198130
>he saved a thumbnail

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>>30197594
I have a 556, I love it to death. The HK irons are god tier, I've been able to get decent groups with just irons at 400 yards, it has practically no recoil, takes any AR mag, adjustable gas for suppressors and bad environments, it doesn't need to be cleaned ever, it showers people with brass (which is hilarious), it the sexiest gun designed by Sig ever. 10/10 gun, mine was $1200 but I can honestly say it was worth every penny.

>>30198064

I reread my post and have no clue how the fucking dot got there. It's supposed to be 5"

>>30198143

A friend of mine bought the austrian export version of the gun and said it was shit and he has never been so disappointed by either a gun in that price range or the customer service of sig in general

he owns about 300 guns more than me so I guess he knows something about the subject, take your fanboyism somewhere else

Once the initial disappointment was gone (shit wouldnt feed quite often, they somehow fucked up the rail, manufacturing flaws, etc.) and the customer service was dealt with he said it was an okay gun but for that money it was just pure shit

buy a bren or something

>>30198155
I forgot to mention it came with all the rails I'll ever need, and the Sig folding stock makes me rock hard. So 11/10.

>>30198181

however I have to admit that that particular export model is even more expensive than the normal one. I think about 800€ more, so maybe that price-gap made him go from "good gun" to "not worth the price"

>>30198181
The austrian version is produced in Germany and then drilled in and modified to subtract some features by some "weapon manufacturer". No wonder it's shit. And also normal that it had no customer service when it's not done nor ditributed by SIG Sauer nor Swissarms

A SIG 550 is 3460 CHFs/$3578 and comes with 2 magazines, one cleaning kit and one diopter.

does the stock wiggle though?

>>30198001
They are testet in the factory with 30 shots and have do be reworked if they have more than 7cm on 300m (2.76inch on 328yards equals 0.841 inch on 100 yards)

>>30198130
Because you pissed of the mountain jew shooters

>>30197864
BAR (The hunting rifles) are excellent rifles

>>30198155

>$1200

;_;

My Black Special was 4000 Maple dollars

Worth it though.

Gonna slap a Trijicon on it eventually.

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>>30198828

>>30197594
Well the SIG 556 is a batardized version of the 550 that can fit pretty much every mag, stocks or handguard.

It doesn't have the same standards as the original from Switzerland but is still pretty good

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Flimsy barrel sure is flimsy.

(american 556 vs swiss 551)

>>30199089
The barrel of the 551 isn't supposed to be like that

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>>30199098
>The barrel of the 551 isn't supposed to be like that

Allow me to jump in.
That SG 551 SB barrel is perfectly normal. Have a picture of mine. Thick and with the barrel & muzzle device being one piece.

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>>30199123
Swissarms says no

It's supposed to be longer and have a "bulge" before the flash hider

>>30199098
What do you mean? It seems to be perfectly fine to me

>>30199149
See >>30199142

>>30199142
This is a 551 lb long barrel
His is a 55q sb short barrle
retard

>>30198949
4000 Monopoly money? You could get a HK93 for that.

>>30199156
No short barrel sold by Swissarms so picture was obviously not a swiss 551 barrel

>>30199156
>>30199169
The only 2 short barrels sold by Swissarms are 553 and 553 pistol version (that has absolutely no flash hider and a weird barrel)

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>>30199142
>Swissarms says no
>It's supposed to be longer and have a "bulge" before the flash hider

The one I posted is a SG551SB. Short barrel. Quite small package.
The one you posted is a SG551LB. Long barrel. Allows shooting of rifle grenades.

They are identical, outside of the barrel.

>>30199169
>No short barrel sold by Swissarms so picture was obviously not a swiss 551 barrel

Try not to correct people who actually own these guns...
It's a SAN SwissArms made SG551SB (aka SWAT). 1SP relates to barrel twist etc.

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>>30199169
>>30199179
Google
And i have some friends who owne one

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Pic:
SG550
SG551LB
SG551SB
SG552SB (now replaced by SG553)

There's also a SG553LB.

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>>30197594
I love mine. Runs like a beast through anything I out into it.

Accuracy is okay, it's not as accurate as the 550, but I'm not trying to use it for 300 yard shots, and it wasn't designed to be a 550, just a similar rifle for the public market. It's still an accurate rifle.

Never had a failure to feed, fire, or extract when dry, dirty or lubed. It's a very well made rifle, and is becoming somewhat less common a find. It's still a damn solid rifle.

My only wishes are that the front sight hood wasn't so huge and they had a more prevalent aftermarket.

>>30198877
I'd rather have a thread about this, considering it's my dad's go-to semi auto

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Have an official SG551 wallpaper

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And a Sig advert, pre-dating the creation of SAN SwissArms.

>>30199192
Not the guy but a short barrel version existing doesn't mean it's produced by Swissarms. There are 3 companies producing SIGs so it could be produced by SIG Sauer Germany or Exeter

>>30197869
>not being hyperbolic
>lightyears different

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

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>>30199245
>Not the guy but a short barrel version existing doesn't mean it's produced by Swissarms. There are 3 companies producing SIGs so it could be produced by SIG Sauer Germany or Exeter

I'm fairly sure Sig Sauer Germany Sig 55X are made by SAN SwissArms, but are Sig Sauer branded.

And no, Sig Sauer Exeter only made bullshit "Sig 551 A1" supposed to mirror the 551, but was different in many respects.

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>>30199245
>Not the guy but a short barrel version existing doesn't mean it's produced by Swissarms.

I kinda know who manufactured my rifle, smartypantz.

>>30199284
SIG Sauer Germany is supposed to make their own SIG 55X though but maybe they now ask SAN SwissArms to manufacture them.

I think it's written somewhere on their website that they make all their products themselves but it's a long since I've look at it

>>30199310

SAN SwissArms is partially owned by Sig Sauer Germany. So strictly speaking, they are "producing it themselves".

>>30199339
Yeah that's a way to see it

>>30197864
As the other anon said the BAR hunting rifle is great. Assuming the BAR mg and BAR hunter are actually related is retarded though

>>30198020
Could be Canadian.

>>30197943
People say they're shit because there are countless reports if them being turds, which is why there are two generations, the 556r having it the worst.

I mean, how do you fuck up building what is basically a parts kit build

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>>30199380

The XI's have that cheek rest on the folding stock, can that be removed?? Anybody please

>>30199380
>I mean, how do you fuck up building what is basically a parts kit build

The parts did not come from the swiss factory though. Sig Sauer USA built them in house. And they cut corners. They had bolts hitting the receiver at odd angles & deforming. They had metal AK mags chipping the mag well on the R.

That kinda stuff gives you a rather nasty reputation.

However, I suppose they're more or less fixed now? Now it's the XI which has issues.

>>30199391
Yes it's only an option

>>30199410
If I remember it right some parts were imported and the rest of the gun was made in house stateside but Exeter pulled a century. So they put out wobbly stocks and forends that had to be shimmed etc.

Its the unreinforced magwell on the 556R thats inexcusable for obvious reasons.For a gun that expensive thay won't take US palm mags, you would think they would have put some steel in the magwell immediately.

That being said I still want a 556R Gen2 because reasons. Still a waste of potential though

>>30198746
http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Max dispersion on an individual rifle is twice that, 14mm. The 7mm requirement is the maximum average dispersion for the entire testing population.

1.6moa over 24 rounds is by no means a bad show, especially for a service rifle, and a hell of a lot more believable than most of what has been posted here.

>>30197778
It's not really a close "clone" at all. Different mags, receivers, furniture, gas system parts, etc. Basically name the parts and there's something different. That plus shitty SIG usa QC basically killed this gun.

>>30199628
>14mm

Either that is a typo or you basically just confirmed SG550s run on teutonic mountain gnome magic.

>>30199483
>Still a waste of potential though
i think this sums up mine and a lot of other people's feelings on the american sig

>>30199801

Try the link. It's 11cm though, not 14.

>>30199801
>teutonic mountain gnome magic
Fucking loat it

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>using the 550 for sports shooting.

What are you guys? Too weak to hold a K31 like a REAL MAN and shooting real ammo instead of that weak 5.56 bullshit?

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>>30199970
>What are you guys? Too weak to hold a K31 like a REAL MAN and shooting real ammo instead of that weak 5.56 bullshit?

What are you, a fud?

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>>30199970
My nigga

>>30199218
>>30199359

Sorry, utter shit was too strong a term for a rifle line with a spotty record regarding problems feeding the next round.

Hit or miss would have been a better term., since the problem was in no way common to every BAR hunting rifle.

>>30200014
Why should I apply for a Ausnahmebewilligung to cut the barrel of a Stgw 57 and let the cops into my house twice a year?

Fuck that.

>>30200014
The gun is great
Would like to owne one one day
But you my follow /k/amerad should learn how to shoot proper. Have you learnd nothing in the army for fuck sake?

>>30200127
Why do you need a Ausnahmebewillingung? As far as i know you onely have to give it to a licenced gun smith. We dont have a SBR law...

>>30197594
They're ok, but it doesn't have much advantages over AR-15 other than the folding the stock. The only reason i'd really buy one is to do a movie conversion to turn it into a 550.

>>30200160
Nope, go read the law.

You can't modify Swiss Ordonnanz without a Ausnahmebewilligung. If it were a PE57, then you could do it without one, but since it's a Stgw 57 you can't.

>>30197594
I have a Sig 551A1, have handled real 553 rifles but didn't get to shoot those.

I like the rifle well enough. The previous owner put Aurora sights on it which are closer to real SAN sights than the Samson ones are from the Sig factory. Very accurate rifle, dependable, even cowitnesses easily with my cheapo PA dot. The new 556XI are not bad rifles either, nor are the 516.

If you're lookin for authenticity, be prepared to spend a lot more money. If you want a halfway decent rifle for general fuckery or plinking American SIG's are just fine, in my experience. Overgrown AKs in 5.56.

>>30199801

I'm an idiot, but for a different reason. It's 11mm CEP, so 12 of the 24 shots must be within the 11mm dispersion cone. It is not an extreme spread of 11m.

>>30200180
Thx didnt know this

>>30199801

Actually, that link may be a typo as well. Probably should be 50% CEP of 11cm, or just over 4" at 330 yards, 1.2moa, from a sled, which is still damn fine.

https://speartacticalreviews.wordpress.com/2015/08/06/swiss-arms-55xpe90-review/

Anyone have a comparable CEP requirements for the M16 with M262?

My understanding was that the CSASS required 1.3 MOA over a 10 round dispersion, but I don't know if that was extreme spread or CEP.

>>30197594
Was it so hard to get a proper SG 550 type rifle and not some shitty rifle made exlusively for the American market.

I mean, if Canada can get the Swiss Arms Classic Green (which is a Canada legal SG 550) why was America the odd one out.

'muh import restrictions' isn't a valid argument seeing how SIG Sauer is moving production to New England, they can make SG 550s now and sell them here with no problem.

>>30200434
Color scheme has nothing to do with it though

>>30200434
Canada hasn't the same laws as the US mate

>>30200516

Based leafs