Alright /k/..... I need help. Here we have the Savage Scout 11

>>30193261
Savage with accutrigger

>>30193261
Can't really give you a straight answer. I have been looking at scout rifles lately, as well. I know that the MVP can take regular pmags which and has something similar to savage's accutrigger. The complaints i read about the mvp is that it feels kinda cheap. I ended up going with ruger's gsr.

You know what kind of optics you're going to run?

>>30193261
That's a tough call (and one of the reasons I've avoided buying a bolt-action 308)...

I like the Mossberg's magazines but hate its bolt. I love the Savage's bolt but hate its magazines and rail configuration.

>>30193261
i think you know the answer to this question.

both are garbage compared to the Ruger Gunsite Scout though.

>>30193312
I hadn't thought about optics...... I'm good with iron sights but nobody ever taught me how to properly sight and use a scope

>>30193453
you're a fucking idiot. kill yourself

>>30193315
So what's wrong with the mags on the savage?

>>30193528
up yours fucknuts

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>>30193528

>>30193261
The Mossberg MVP is airsoft quality.

>>30193334
I thought people shit on the Gunsite Scout for not being a scout rifle.

>>30193568
Define airsoft quality, please.......

>>30193572
Looks like a scout rifle to me

>>30193261
I'd lean towards the Savage if only because it has an aperture sight.

But I dunno what magazines for those are like or how much they cost.

>>30193568
100% fact.

>>30193579
For starters, due to the shit bolt design it can fire without the lugs engaged.

>>30193261
Ruger American is the best of the best cheap rifle, but anything is better than an MVP.

>>30193711
That was exceedingly insightful.... I believe the MVP is officially off the table with that little piece of info.

>>30193747
Compare that to the savage which has one of the strongest actions in the industry. Same basic floating dual lug design is used on the .338lm 110's.
Add in the accu-trigger, peep sight, and good magazines it should be a no brainer.

>>30193711
>fire without lugs engaged
knownothing edboy here, do I understand correctly in that meaning the weapon can be fired before the breech is closed?

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>>30193796
Thanks guys! You've all been a big help.

>>30193832
No problem, do you know what you're going to do for optics or would you like some help?

>>30193853
Please! I'm open to all suggestions

>>30193572
It's heavy as fuck is the problem.

>>30193817
>knownothing edboy

I kek'd

>>30193528
Ignore this guy, as long as you learn you are welcome here

>Savage

Better barrels, shit magazines

>MVP

Shit barrel, better magazine options

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>>30193938
Oh i'm not paying him any mind, trust me.

>>30193547
At least for earlier versions, the magazine has a reported habit of not holding 10 rounds reliably. Otherwise, I don't like the stock lock-in system or the proprietary pattern.

If I am still interested in the future, I'll probably buy a RPR. I'd much prefer a version with a 24" 308 barrel. Or a lightweight version with an 18" 308 barrel.

>>30193572
It's like six ounces over the defined upper limit. I bet a polymer mag would get you under.

>>30193568
This. They are total garbage. I had one of those savage scouts and really enjoyed it. Sold it to a buddy to use as a hunting rifle.

>>30193817
Yes, more or less. More accurately the breech might be closed but the bolt isn't fully into battery so the pressure from a fired cartridge would send it rocketing backward into shooter's face.

The MVP is a copy of the Raptor action, made by Maverick Arms, which was an entry level rifle Mossberg bought the rights to. They called it the ATR and now MVP but it still sucks.

>>30194505
Damn that sounds like a pretty serious flaw o.O

>>30193881
Sorry ran out to get toothpaste lol
Since you're getting a scout rifle you should stick to scout scopes, leupold has some great purpose built scout models.
You could remove the rear sight on the savage and install a traditional rail if you want cheaper/normal scopes.

>>30194708
So something like this perhaps? IDFK what qualifies as a scout scope

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/713072392

>>30194758
Long eye relief, and if you want to follow Cooper's specs to the letter it should be no more than 4x magnification.

>>30194815
Okay that makes sense. How do i know if the scope is compatible? Or are most compatible with the rail on it?

>>30194758
That's perfect. Burris makes decent optics. For my taste it's a little small/low magnification but it's affordable and you'll be able to learn easily.
>>30194891
That's the rings, you're going to need "weaver style" rings that match the tube diameter of your scope. In your case 1". You need rings like these. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1548810257/burris-1-xtreme-tactical-weaver-style-rings-matte

>>30193261
I too looking for a bolt in 223, prefer mossberg cuz AR mag

>>30195086
hmmm.... Well i'm gonna need to save up a bit more than previously anticipated to complete this little project.

if you're a big fan of irons I really don't see why you'd get the MVP over the Savage, since the later has a much longer sight radius and peep sights.

now, the MVP Scout has peep sights. but it's like $700 and at that point there's no reason to not get the Savage

>>30193261
Random anon that likes to think outside the box here:

What if OP buys a bubba'd Mauser for like $200 and then did a decent job of scouting it out himself?

He could have an awesome action, good magazine (inserts are a thing, repro trench mag would be boss as fuck), and lots of stock options. It'd also get to be his own special rifle unique to him

>>30195190
You can get cheaper rings.
Midway has good 2 screw over under rings that allow you to use the iron sights with a scope mounted for like $13.
That was just an example.

>>30195269
It would look cool but that's about it. The modern rifles are better in every measure able way.

>>30195384
Better on average, sure; but some of those oldies can shoot about as well as a new rifle, and worst case scenario, OP has a 2-3 MOA at 100 yards rifle...which is totally acceptable in my opinion.

>>30195321
Here's two affordable examples that would allow you to use your iron sights.
>I'd go with the leapers personally.

>leapers
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2612196238/leapers-utg-1-max-strength-tactical-6-hole-quick-detachable-twist-lock-picatinny-style-rings-matte

>other style (same exact rings sold by many brands)
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2330676031/ironsighter-1-see-thru-weaver-style-rings

>>30195443
Bookmarking that shit. Those are perfect

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>>30195435
Worst case scenario OP blows up because bubba didn't know how to headspace when he changed from 8mm to .308...
>implying something 3x worse than the brand new rifle is acceptable
Considering the value of the time you invest into this little build its cheaper to get the savage, which will work right out of the box.

ANy other comparable scout rifles? is the steyr scout ok but overpriced?

>>30195576
This is an excellent and necessary question

>>30195174
Same here I am considering the River American ranch in 5.56 because the 1 in 8 twist and short threaded barrel and am also considering the savage 11 111 hog hunter because it comes with irons and doesn't have stupid detachable mags. Honestly I don't understand why bolt guns all have detachable mags now.

>>30195670
It's possible to convert the Savage to accept magazines. I don't know much more than that, so you'll have to google it.

>>30195670
Ruger* Fuck auto correct!

>>30195503
Your idea is the worst case Ontario though.

Convenience is cool, but putting time in a gun is really fun and worth it if you're that sort of person.

>>30195713
I don't want it to use detachable mags. That is just one more thing to break or lose. The mag's for the Ruger American are stupidity overpriced.

I'm under the strong standard of fuck savage. But I base this on no fact, and no experience.....don't think I've ever even held one.

>>30195742
Then why do you feel that way? I owned a savage .22LR once and i fucking loved it

>>30195742
What do you have against Savage?

>>30195576
Savage 110-SR .223
Ruger gunsight
Howa scout

Not many options

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>>30195742
I dont know man....I just....I need to hate

>>30193261
Oh, that's tough.
>Savage has better factory irons, bolt/action, and trigger, plus the adjustable LOP and comb, but requires some serious work and the removal of the rear aperture to mount a traditional scope
>Mossy has the better mags and can be used with either LER or traditional scopes out of the box, but has a mediocre trigger and the sloppiest bolt/action ever made
I will say I was both surprised and impressed at the accuracy my .223 MVP Varmint gave me (the laminate stock is god-tier). sub-MOA with factory 50gr V-Max. I spent an additional nearly $500 getting it to where I'd consider it "good" (shimmed the receiver to reduce bolt slop and put in a 12oz Jard trigger, plus about 20 hours and maybe a buck's worth of polishing compound/oil honing and smoothing the bolt body so it wouldn't hang up and gouge brass on all but 1 of my .308 mags).

I'd say, if you can tolerate the AI-style single stack mags the Savage is the better gun. It's certainly the better mechanically.

Get the MVP and thank us later.

The MVP can take both M14 and AR10 mags which is a HUGE help. The Savage mags are proprietary and pretty expensive for what they are.

>>30194505
Okay, so how about the LR? Or am I saving 2k for an m1a and goodies?

>>30196026
Dammit all now i'm having second thoughts...... Being diverse like that is a major plus and saving money like that is definitely pulling my attention to the MVP

>>30196103
Yeah, that was the main draw of the whole mvp line for me, but a bolt to the face at random doesn't sound so fun.

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>>30196125
fucking shit fuck dammit >.<

>>30196125
>>30196148

>bolt to the face at random doesn't sound like fun

Isn't it worth actually looking up then? It sounds like something that's only slightly theoretically possible; you think the lawyers at gun manufacturers that put those huge READ THE OWNER'S MANUAL stamp on the gun would let that huge of a risk fly?

It's not a Ross rifle assembled wrong, anon.

>>30194207
>At least for earlier versions, the magazine has a reported habit of not holding 10 rounds reliably.
I can attest to this. I have a Savage 10 with the same 10-round mag. If you try to put more than 8 rounds in, it tends to bind up. I just never put more than 8 rounds in. No biggee to me.

>>30196179
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/threads/mossberg-mvp-bolt-problem.128199/

Like, first or second google entry, looks like a problem with all cheap bolt actions; disapponting. Guess I'm saving for an m1a after all.

>>30196179
After a little research the only issues people seem to be reporting is that the bolt is a little rough. Other than that i see nothing about it hitting you in the face

I don't think any bolt action rifle that could fire before the bolt is locked would last that long. The company would be sued out of existence pretty quickly. Even if there are warnings all over the owner's manual, that does not exclude you from a poor design that endanger's people's safety.

>>30196343
That's what I'm saying. It sounds like fuddlore at the level of "lacquered cases melt and make yer gun jam!"

>>30196455
Oh wow that was something people actually believed???

>>30196343
Could be a defect in the user...

Anyone hear anything more about the tikka ctr version with iron sights? It's a new product based on what the Canadian rangers are buying... C19 or some such.

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>>30195717
>worst case Ontario

>>30195742
Savage has some bad guns, but also has amazing guns. I owned a Model 93R17 and it was absolutely great. I now own a FCP-SR in a 20 inch barrel and I love for the most part everything about it. The only issue I have with the FCP-SR is that the mags feel weird because it's difficult to fit the last 10th round in the mag. Plus, the mags are expensive. Nevertheless, Savage is for the most part a very good company.

>>30196485
>was something people actually believed???
>Was

A ton of people, including a lot of /k/ommandos, still believe that.

>>30198046
It's a trailer park boys reference.

>>30198272

Meh. The only Savage guns I can think of that could be called "bad" are so cheap that they're still a good value...

savage is better

>>30201636
>ar10 mags suck in bolt guns.
In what way?

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What do you guys think of AR optics on .223 bolt guns? I like the Nikon 3x32 p223 scope. I want to just dick around at 50-300 yards. I have a River American in 5.56 with a 16 inch tube. Should I try it or should I just get the p223 3-9x40 bdc that they make?

>>30204154
Ruger*
Fuck autocorrect.

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>>30204154
Die necromancer

>>30193261
go with the savage, you won't regret it. Pretty great gun for the money, accutrigger is pretty good, you buy a metal magwell that accepts aics patern magazines.
What I really love is when im crawling through thick brush or branches, the safety and the accutrigger make a very safe setup.

>>30204154
I don't know. On a bolt gun you will probably want more zoom, but if your max range is 300 yards it would probably work.