>Be American >Design "stealth" ship >Visible

>>30103500
>Be a faggot
>Don't know what radar signature is
(You)

>>30103500
>Taking the Calvin and Hobbes strip literally and thinking it's lulzy.

6-year-old please, Zumwalt is fucking based. It's like you don't realize that anti ship missiles are guided by radar.

>>30103525
If I'm commie scum, knowing this ship exists, and see a fishing vessel on my radar, I'm destroying it.

>>30103500
why not just use a submarine?

>>30103500
>>Visible for 50 fucking miles, 4 stories tall

The ship is designed for BVR Combat, this means it will engage and be engaged by targets that are Beyond Visual Range. It matters not how tall it is.

Stop making these threads.

>>30103500

build a sub at this point

>>30103543
Well its good for us that Communism with a capital C has never been anything but a particular strain of demagoguery. There is no Commie scum left, they've all been taught well by big brother atom to stay in their fucking lanes. Also, good fucking luck getting through the HK battlegroup Zumwalts will be rolling with, after getting through the airpower cover in the larger theater.

>>30103596
We've got tons of subs for guided misdiles. In fact, our biggest cruise missile subs are due to gain anti ship capability. Because nothing says 'fuck you' at sea like 154 extra cruise missiles dumped on top of the airpower first strike.

>>30103543
>If I'm commie scum, I'm going to indiscriminately inflict collateral damage on likely civilian targets if there's a chance of harming the enemy, no matter how small

Wow, what a shocking change from traditional Russian doctrine, that sure changes everything.

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>>30103500

You better be a Russian. I'll be disappointed if a real European is this stupid.

>>30103565
it is a U-Boat you fuckin retard. Look past what the media spoonfeeds you!

I don't know what you're talking about OP I can't see a thing

>>30103500
>Be American
>Design "next generation ship" with 15.000 ton displacement
>Have fewer VLS cells than a "last generation ship"
>have two dumb naval guns because naval guns are so high tech and next gen amirite
>In the end, will end up as white elephants because order has been cut down to just three

USN JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP

>>30103525
>6-year-old please, Zumwalt is fucking based.

Sea-State 6 please. Zumwalt is fucking capsized.

>>30103786
>Implying Mk 57 cells aren't individually larger.
>Implying SPY-3 isn't godmode.
>Implying rail guns, lasers, and hypersonics aren't imminent.
>Implying we could even use more than three when Burke and Ticos are still dominant, even more so with LRASM.
>Implying
>Implying
>Implying.

>>30103500
It's considered a "stealth" model because it's invisible to gay people. The Navy is trying to do something about gay people and ships. The fact that you can see a ship in that picture means that you are gay. I don't see any ships in that picture if I say so myself.

>>30103833
>Mk-57
Shit. Only 750mm diameter. You wont put more in them than you already do with your 600+mm Mk-41.
Try the Russian UKSK with 1000mm diameter or the Chinese universal VLS with 850mm diameters, which are true large caliber VLS with capability to pack up to eight missiles per cell.

>SPY-3

Finally America has achieved something the Chinese had by 2003 with their Type 346 Dragon Eye radar: A shipborne multipurpose AESA radar and not just a shitty obsolete PESA POS as the earlier SPY-series were.

>railguns, lasers

hurrdurrr and you need a 15.000 tons white elephant as platform for them because?
It's not that a standard Burke couldnt use them or anything? Or you talking about IEPS? Yeah, again. Why would you need the Zumwalt for this, if the Type 45 already has IEPS - and all newer Chinese coast guard cutters kek.

>LRASM

Zumwalt will have fewest of them, because of shitty cell-count.

Chinks will actually be the kings of surface warfare when their large caliber 128-cell armed Type 055 is ready.

>>30103872
>It's considered a "stealth" model because it's invisible to gay people.
>I don't see any ships in that picture if I say so myself.

Ive got bad news anon

>>30103885
Zumwalt's 57s are clearly due for hypersonics, and the three Zumwalts will integrate that capability to the larger fleet structure until it's time for the Burke/Tico replacement. LRASM is just the logical extension of Harpoon, a standard anti-ship missile that can be fired from any platform. Planes still are and still will be the primary seeing and shooting tools of the US fleet. Zumwalt is simply designed to be the gen.5 option. The USA has only NEEDED LRASM and Zumwalt now, because until very recently, China was less of a threat than Russia, in a time when Russia itself was starting to lose the competitive edge.

You're being deliberately ignorant to doctrinal differences.

>>30103885
Britain sucks.

Go away.

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>>30103500
They're making Monitors awful big these days...

>>30103951

>Poster spends the entire thing lording up Chinkshit
>Happens to briefly mention a British ship in one small point that isn't even a boast

>Britain sucks

Wow, this is some serious barrel scraping to throw shit at the Bongs now.

He's just a Chicom. Ignore him.

>>30103500
What ship?

I don't see a ship in your picture, OP.

>>30103500
Haha, it's funny because up to a certain point, all that will be visible is the bridge superstructure, which will appear to the naked eye as, bitch you guessed it, a smaller fucking boat.

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>be brit
>can't design a carrier without a ramp

JUST

>>30103895
>It's considered a "stealth" model because it's invisible to gay people.
>The fact that you can see a ship in that picture means that you are gay.
retard

>>30104106
Fuck off

The ramp is so that our non existent Carrier Borne F-35 fleet can get sick air when they take off

The Zumwalt is a national embarrassment in the making.

>>30104106
Could've, but didn't. Even worse.

>>30104136
>Its invisible to gay people therefore if its visible to you you're gay

Its OK anon, you dont have to be ashamed of it.

>>30104233
>visible
nice sneaky correction, retard

>>30104242
Not a correction, thats literally what you've been saying.

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>>30104179
How so?

>>30104252
i copied the two sentences from your post and they dont make sense

>>30104297
Considering I had copied them from another post solely to point out an inconsistency that resulted in the poster calling himself gay, no fucking shit.

>>30104000
Underrated

>>30104184

Two carriers > One carrier

We saw how badly the French completely fucked themselves carrier wise. No way we were making the same mistake.

>>30104256
wait for it.

It'll end up like the LCS.

>>30103525
>Calvin and Hobbes strip

Is that where this slab of ignorance originated?

>>30103885
Zumwalt has power storage and distribution systems that Burke and Tico don't. It was designed with such specifically to feed SPY-3 and energy intensive weapons like lasers and railguns in real combat conditions. This is the real advantage of the Zumwalt moving into the future. It's a platform to develop and introduce a wide variety of next generation technologies, which will eventually become standard.

>>30104360
Yes, it has always been unfunny children and morons taking oldfag jokes too seriously.

>>30103525
>Zumwalt is fucking based.
It's made from wood.

>>30104355
Heh, no, LCS failed where F-35 succeeded. Zumwalt is a specialist boat, it doesn't have multirole concept creep issues.

>>30104355
A very useful ship that gets flak from bloggers with an agenda and anti-American shitposters?

>>30104400
That reeks of bullshit, sauce me or GTFO.

>>30104400
>composite superstructure
>glass-reinforced vinyl ester sandwich panels, with cores of balsa and/or foam

>>30104447


Dear god it sounds like it would burn up and aphysxiate the crew

>>30104405
>it doesn't have multirole concept creep issues.
It's already stealth escort screen that has special munitions that summon demons which take its main gun rounds up the air and allow them to reach the range 3 times bigger than the record-setter in their calibre. Which makes it a devil of ground support, somehow.

Or so they say because they've never shown that ability in practice.

>>30103500
>The same shitpost on /pol/ everyday
I-I thought we were special

>>30104425
>The wood composite material was selected to meet fire-retardance/fire containment requirements, reduce radar and IR signature and weight, and control construction costs. Apparently, balsa burns more slowly than foam and better insulates the opposite sandwich skin from heat. The 2-3 inch wood core is sandwiched between layers of carbon fiber and vinyl ester with a stainless steel mesh integrated into the external skin, providing electromagnetic interference (EMI) shielding and a lightning ground in the otherwise nonconductive panels. The wood composite panels are being applied to the upper four levels of the superstructure (the lower three are steel) and the hangar. Similar materials were used to build the prominent pyramidal mast enclosures on the LPD-17 class.

>>30104497
neat

>>30103500
That thing's not the stealth ship, they built it so that they can hide the real ship behind it so then nobody can photograph it.

>>30104458
And? It is designed for littoral dominance and land attack, and as an interim platform for next gen technologies. So eventually, it will progress into an added layer of high to the existing high-low fleet composition. Eventually upon that, those technologies will be improved upon in the next generation surface combatant. If only you understood the vessel in the context of its place as a hunter-killer node inside the distributed lethality archatecture, Zumwalt class ships in the core of their own battlegroups, which in turn orbit around CBGs as their bodyguards and attackdogs.

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>>30104497
So in other words, something much more complicated than 'lol wood'. Gotcha.

>>30103885
>Shit. Only 750mm diameter. You wont put more in them than you already do with your 600+mm Mk-41.

with far more powerful boosters, making the missiles longer ranged

>Try the Russian UKSK with 1000mm diameter

cruise missiles only

>the Chinese universal VLS with 850mm diameters

cold launch

Have friends who worked on it
Said its like a space ship inside
Got to watch it launch

>>30103500
Anything that's within visual range is going to be skylined against the horizon anyway. The point of a stealth ship is that it's harder for radar to spot over the horizon.

>>30103500
>be american
>make a box the size of a WWII Heavy Cruiser
>call it a destroyer

>>30104397
Is it me or modern ships are the most boring thing to look at?

I could probably stare at a rock for longer before getting bored.

>>30104686
Only if you know more about how the ships look than you do what they are capable of.

>>30103500
can you stop posting pics of water. we get it, you like the ocean

>>30104686
Imagine how stupid they're going to look when they do like stealth aircraft and use compound curves instead of facets. (Or maybe they'll look awesome?)

>>30103500
you see, we already let the russians and chinese have the plans. they know all our capabilities and yet are powerless to stop the american juggernaut. we will continue to be two and a half steps ahead of the rest of the world for decades to come.

even if we only build the one, we will have advanced the state of the art. in the process, we will have learned much that we can apply in other areas.

suck it, haters. you've been zumwalted.

>>30104456
Since when has the navy given a fuck about its personnel burning alive? What with the current working uniform might as well have been made out of gasoline soaked rags.

>>30104447
>>glass-reinforced vinyl ester sandwich panels, with cores of balsa and/or foam

so its built like a 1980's semi trailer

>>30104671
>be american
>have 600+ billion annual military budget
>can do pretty much anything with that kind of money within militarily feasibility and reason
>does so
>the rest of world gets butthurt yet again

>>30104456
>The wood composite material was selected to meet fire-retardance/fire containment requirements, reduce radar and IR signature and weight, and control construction costs. Apparently, balsa burns more slowly than foam and better insulates the opposite sandwich skin from heat.

anon...

>>30103579
It still does matter, the higher something is, the further from it you have to be to qualify as 'beyond visual range'.

>>30104000
Except it actually looks a lot more like the Virginia than the Monitor.

>>30104671
US Navy has a long tradition of trolling people with ship designations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_six_frigates_of_the_United_States_Navy

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>>30104830
You're right that's much funnier. Thank you for your input.

>>30104374
This. Zumwalt is the basis for an even larger (possibly nuclear powered) rail gun cruiser. If I'm not mistaken, it's also utilizing a new electrical distribution system that will facilitate the massive energy needs of a rail gun. It's essentially a Seawolf of surface ships.

>>30105434
Over designed and overpriced?

>>30105711
The USA isn't Nazi Germany grabbing at 'lebenstraum', we can afford to be the first kids on the block with the new goodies.

>>30103500
Where's the ship OP? I see no ship in the pic.

>>30105760
It's just what I've heard from some of my nuke friends, though none of them have been on one.

>>30105711
Economies of scale, man. Ya, Seawolf was incredibly overpriced because it was over designed for a reason that ceased to exist during production allowing construction of only three boats. Like Seawolf, however, most of the R&D that made Zumwalt a bit over budget will be utilized in follow on ships, drastically reducing the cost of most non-propulsion plant (if successor is nuclear powered) systems and most systems in general if it's conventionally powered. You ever read about how Virginia class is consistently ahead of schedule and under budget? Ya, that...

>>30105808
They're at that place where they're not wrong, but, in either deliberately or otherwise ignoring the point of Zumwalt, couldn't really be called right. Zumwalt is a move that the US Armed Forces have gotten very good at making to split the difference between sci-fi and the cutting edge of war.

>>30103543
Have fun with your war crimes.

>>30103500
have you ever seen one in person?

>>30103500
Pic unrelated much, just some turdskins looking out over the sea.

>>30105861

It must be pretty easy to come in "on time, under budget" when all the hard parts of the design were already handled in seperate program.

>>30106065
That's the point. The inevitable successor/upscaled cruiser would offset the increased cost of the zumwalts. Are you a bit slow?

>>30106065
Also, Virginias did carry over a lot of technology from Seawolf, but almost the entire propulsion plant is different, albeit similar. Aside from the basic fact that it's a pressurized water reactor, each propulsion plant is almost a from scratch design.

>>30103565

Better quality of life for crew and less long-term maintenence.

>>30103650
Now imagine each AShM holds a tactical nuclear warhead. Macross Missile Spam > your fleet.

>>30104374
>Zumwalt has power storage

BULLSHIT

The USN/DOD might as well make some scratch selling electric cars that can go 500 miles on a single charge, AND which takes 20 seconds to charge from completely empty.

>>30106333
Maybe they don't because China would immediately RE that and remove a major tactical advantage from the USN.

>>30104000
4 u

>>30106333
He meant power generation. Please tone down your autism.

>>30104771
Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should.

>>30103579
>The ship is designed for BVR Combat

hurrrrrr durp duh durrrrrrrr

>>30106866
It is a really shitty term to use, but fuck, civilians can't be fucked with to memorize duplicative terminology.

why you gotta make threads like this. you should be shot

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they designed the ship so it blow up OBVIOUSLY

>>30106726
>within militarily feasibility and reason

>>30107648
It's win-win. Our military contractors get that sweet pork barrel spending, I mean "economic stimulus", and our allies get Gort.

>>30104755
It literally is rags and often is soaked in fuel or hydraulic oil.

Dying in a fire is basically in the job description.

>>30107888
>It literally is rags and often is soaked in fuel or hydraulic oil.
jfc, and the whole point of the "camouflage" is to hide spills...

>>30103565
2 cheap 4 USN

>>30106017

>Any communist country

>mildly concerned with war crimes

>>30107888
Damn, I wanted to join the Navy.

>>30103516

>can beat high tech modern radar
>can't beat 1000 year old telescope

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>>30111790
>Afraid of burning to death and/or drowning

step it up, fampai

>>30103797
The Zumwalt is allegedly far more stable than an Arleigh Burke

>>30103500
No anti-ship missiles, lol.

>>30103833
>Implying rail guns, lasers, and hypersonics aren't imminent.
Is this what Navy shills believe?

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>>30111882
>rail guns, lasers
Sure, breakthrough is imminent. Just pay more money.

were you expecting a fucking zodiac?

>>30111930
>he doesn't know

>>30103619

2edgy4me

>>30106333
We're not talking about batteries here. We're talking liquid fuel for big-ass gas turbine generators.

>>30106333
>>30112437
Kinda but not really, the Zumwalts don't have massive capacitor banks, etc yet; they don't simply because they don't have weapons that require them yet and the storage requirements for those weapons aren't locked in yet.

HOWEVER, for the first time ever, they allowed journalists a tour through the Zumwalt, and what everyone commented on is that the Zumwalt has fucking -massive- amounts of empty space in them for things like capacitor banks, etc. All that space (and the power distribution, etc that the other guy mentioned) makes it far, far easier for the Navy to integrate new systems and weapons into the ship, because you don't have as severe flow-on effects of having to move the head because the sleeping quarters needed to move, because galley needed to move, because the cleaning room needed to move, because the engine room needed to be expanded, etc.

>>30112329
Meh. Tbh it's edgier to think that there are real, meaningful distinctions between, say, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao. Evil is evil, homicidal insane egomaniac cult of personality dictators gonna commit ego-fueled homicide to stoke their own mythos.

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LADS
im carrying this question around for some time and this seems to be the right time to ask:

as pic and topic related - why is it that important for "stealth" devices to not having any right angles? i can understand why there should be no plane surfaces in a 90° angle to the radar sender (angle of incidence equals angle of reflection) but why are there no right angles at all on those ships/planes/whatever?

>>30114768
Because radar is a wave. Have you heard of diffraction? Build a little fish tank, put some bricks in and wave your hand around ( or crack open a physics 101 book).

>>30114783
sry cant find shit about that eg here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology

do you have any source for me maybe?

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>Build it so that it's not trackable by radar
>Doesn't give it dazzle camo so that you can't get the bearing visually either

Lol fucking morons, why didn't they think of this?

>>30103619

Yeah someone said this before too

>unrestricted submarine warfare!

How'd that work out for yuh

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>>30103885
>VLS count

80 cells on the Zummy versus... 96 on the Burke Flight IIA/III. A grand total difference of... 16 cells...?

>>30115388
Dazzle works, kind of, if all you're worried about is making the enemy slightly confused about the ship's heading. But it makes the ship far more visible.

>>30111809
>seeing past the horizon with a telescope
:^)

>>30115482
Yes, a grand total difference of 16 cells less for what, like twice the price and 1.5 the payload?

>>30115581

No.... for two big fancy guns, and huge-ass generators to run laser anti-missile defenses.

It's a littoral attack ship, you know? It's meant to blow shit up on land, without having to fire 30 expensive Tomahawks, of which 15 or 20 will be shot down because they're slow and cannot dodge. The missile cells are for self-defense. Navies exist to project power. The Zumwalt projects power. Burkes kill anything trying to attack it. That's... how it works....

>>30115571
literally what are crow's nests

>>30115581
>not knowing about the different cell sizes

>>30115677
wow anon excellent prehistoric invention

someone get this man to the us navy right now, he's a genius

>>30115388
That dazzle paint sucks.

>>30115677
getting pretty desperate their m8. Perhaps you could do a bit of thinking to realize why you're retarded.

>>30104456
>>30104759
You guys are havin a giggle but it's a pretty common way to make minesweeping ships. It also doesn't burn that easily -- it's not literally made of balsa wood, it's more like the fibreglass that they make a lot of canoes and speedboats out of, but a lot thicker.

>>30115691
>prehistoric inventions used by monkey-men defeat modern US vehicles and munitions

welcome back to 'nam :^)

>>30115629
>for two big fancy guns
Fancy is the keyword.
>laser anti-missile defenses
Kid, pls.
>>30115682
Different VLS size.

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>>30111960
>WHAT DID YOU EXPECT, A BATTLESHIP?
>PADDLE

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>>30115764

You... know that both those weapons are already working, right? The Advanced Long Range Gun is already deployed. And the first anti-missile prototype laser is at sea right now for initial operational testing and shit.

>>30104686
Maybe you look stupid is what's what.

>>30115794
Call me back when this toy will be effectively deployed on a shit outside of a laboratory.
>Laser
Useless piece of shit that does nothing it couldn't do in the 80s, but gullible retards will still pay for "development" of the same old bullshit child's toy.

>>30115830
>Call me back when this toy will be effectively deployed on a shit outside of a laboratory.
If you are this poorly informed how could you possibly expect anyone to take you seriously?

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>>30115830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REHt44BuASk
neck yourself m8

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>>30115886
I was talking about railgun. Lasers have been deployed on ships since like 70s or so IIRC.

>US makes giant fleets of super stealth ships
>gets BTFO by a chinamen shooting rocket from fishing boat

Sad

>>30115886
>US Navy sails into China
>Smog so think laser useless
>Ship gets taken out by sweatshop workers

Depressing.

>>30115943
>I don't uderstand how weather works
>the post

>>30103500
You could at least post a picture of the ship you are talking about faggot

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>>30115830
>Call me back when this toy will be effectively deployed on a shit outside of a laboratory.

>>30116152
Railgun, dumbass, not laser. Speaking of which, no, lightning up a plastic boat from 500 metres away is not effective deployment.

>>30106065
No shit Sherlock.

>>30104106
>cheaper so can have two
>easily removed to put cat's in once US has perfected the technology
>aircraft carrier second only to the Americans and nobody else
>bad thing
Go fuck yourself buddy.

>>30111930
They already exist.

>>30115925
>I was talking about railgun.

... uh, the railgun is not the Advanced Gun System. A a 155mm gun firing GPS guided shells, is what they're using.

Check it out: the building of the first magazine delivered to the Navy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFLOs84q6dI

>>30115926

... don't we have a bunch of ships being built to stop that exact thing? The LCS?

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>>30103872
>invisible to gay people.
>I don't see any ships in that picture if I say so myself.

>>30116290
They existed for quite a while by now. But by all means just keep funding this toy garbage and it will totally become efficient one day. Totally.
>>30116304
So you are telling me that its price and size are both justified by fucking GPS guided artillery with each shell costing like a cruise missile while having inferior range and much, much smaller impart damage. Zumwalt is shit, deal with it. Even Americans themselves realised it and cancelled this crap before it was too late.

>>30114768
Every right angle is a retroreflector.

>>30116461
yeah i see.
was a bit confused by what he said
>>30114783

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>>30116388
>with each shell costing like a cruise missile

Once they're in full rate production (which has already begun actually) they'll cost $50,000 a round. A Tomahawk missile costs 1.6 million dollars a missile.

>while having inferior range

You usually don't need the full 1,600 mile range of a Tomahawk missile, especially with a great many important targets within 40nm of shore (like SAM batteries and airfields.)

>much, much smaller impart damage

But you can buy a lot more of them (and carry a lot more on the ship) to make up for that. 800 shells compared to a max of 80 Tomahawk missiles.

You kind of seem... angry. Do you want to talk about it?

>>30116536
>Once they're in full rate production
Just like Zumwalt.
>>30116536
>1,600 mile range of a Tomahawk missile
There are other missiles cheaper and smaller than Tomahawk.
>But you can buy a lot more of them
>and carry a lot more on the ship
No, you can't, since they cost like a cruise missile. You can of course simply throw more money into it, but why would you do that if a cruise missile can inflict more damage? Why would anyone do that, right?

the really sad thing is if it wasn't for bait threads we'd almost never have any discussion other than 'hurr check out my moist nugger what is a /k/ approved homosexual specific lube for ultra-gay sex will someone here please affirm that i exist?'

been here over a decade, it's not getting any better

face it kids, this place fucking sucks.

>>30104011
nobody except the brits cares about anything the brits do. it's a dead giveaway.

>>30116635
>Just like Zumwalt.

They've been in full-rate production of the gun and ammunition since 2010, anon.

>>30116635
>No, you can't, since they cost like a cruise missile.

$50,000 dollars is "cruise missile cost" now? Could you please provide a link to your source for the unit cost of the Long Range Land Attack Projectile? I do not believe you.

>>30104397
jesus that is a fucking monster

>>30116666
>gun threads get ruined by idiotic noguns and elitist fags
>threads about military equipment get ruined by insanely butthurt Russians ranting about "fatniks"
>constant baiting from day/k/are yuropoors
>threads about youtube gun channels get shitposted to death

Just nuke /k/. The shitposting used to be funny, but now it's just sad

>>30104780

NIGGER THAN IT'S NOT BVR IF YOU CAN SEE IT.

10 fucking feet doesn't make a significant distance as to what "BVR" is qualified as. It would literally have to have an Empire State Building as it's bridge for your point to hold any water.

>>30116666
>666

Kek. I expressed the exact same sentiment found in this post not a half-hour ago.

/k/ is dead, and it's been dead for a long time.

>>30114768
>i can understand why there should be no plane surfaces in a 90° angle to the radar sender (angle of incidence equals angle of reflection) but why are there no right angles at all on those ships/planes/whatever?

you answered your own question wtf

>>30116635
>There are other missiles cheaper and smaller than Tomahawk.

>No, you can't, since they cost like a cruise missile.

are you even trying?

>>30116724
>>30116716
yeah. it used to be fun to come here when not sober. now it's the only way to tolerate this festering shithole of fail and faggotry.

>>30116693

So I used Google for a bit and searched extensively, and the only references I can find anywhere to the unit cost of the LRLAP all state "about $50,000."

Far as I can tell, full-rate production was slated to begin in 2011, but got pushed back to 2013, and the guns have been fielded for the first time this year. I can't find any details on the number of shells already contracted for.

>>30115710
If they're so retarded, maybe you could point out why? If you can't, the only logical course of action is to assume it's actually you that's retarded.

Is this the new F-35 meme?

>>30103500
If you can see it.it has already seen you 50 miles ago and has decided to let you live.
>What is modern radar and tracking systems

>>30103500
>Not understanding that 99% of modern naval combat would be over the horizon targets

>>30115388

Dazzle Camoflauge's purpose isn't to make it harder to see, it's to confuse key points of scale/ placement. Dazzle camo can do one (or some combination) of the following:

> make it hard to tell which direction the ship is going/ pointed

> make it harder to accurately range the ship

> make it harder to distinguish one ship from the other (a la Zebras)

> make it harder to tell where the key points of a ship are (bridge, bow....)

It has nothing to do with making it invisible or harder to see as a whole. Dazzle camo is only useful when you are using canon and such using visual cues only. Modern Radar alone completely renders Dazzle camo useless, although definitely cool as fuck.

>>30116859
seems like that one really got to you m8. Come back and try again when you figure out why what you said regarding seeing past the horizon is retarded ok :^)

>>30116693
>$50,000
$400000.
https://news.usni.org/2015/06/01/navy-researching-firing-mach-5-guided-round-from-standard-deck-guns

>>30117134
That is the cost of a LRLAP (which is actually more like $477k), not a HVP.

>>30103885
I'm not gonna lie VLS ships make my Homeworld boner pop

>>30117152
For comparison a Tomahawk costs ~$1.5 mil.

>>30117187
You keep bringing up Tomahawk despite that I have already pointed out there are other missiles much more suitable and cheap for shorter range strikes.

>>30103710
underrated

>>30117213
Those two posts were the first I have made in this thread since yesterday, contain your autism.

>>30117244
Okay, but the point still stands. At the same price a short range cruise missiles flies further and delivers more explosives.

>>30117265
Which missile?

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>>30117291

Look at all these one dolla chicom shills ITT. Chinks can't even build escalators that won't eat shoppers. Whatever the chinkos claim for their hardware, divide by two and minus another 10%. Anything the chinks claim to "innovate", is just outright lying. Remember. Chinks follow Tsun Zu: when weak, appear strong and when strong, appear weak.

>>30117305
Slav shit still costs 500k

>>30117512
>At the same price a short range cruise missiles flies further and delivers more explosives.

>>30117519
You're comparing LRIP cost of LRLAP to a missile that has been in full production for almost two decades. LRLAP will drop in price. Take a look at Excalibur. The unit cost was around 140k in LRIP and now its 70k.

>>30117931
It is a fair point and it will most certainly cost less when it enters full rate production, but considering that it already costs almost $500k per shell even if it drops to half of that it will still be barely as efficient at best compared to range and the more so warhead of a short range cruise missile. That is assuming it will be implemented on anything but three Zumwalts.
>a missile that has been in full production for almost two decades
Less than a decade, really. It is an old missile, but its development was only resumed in the early 00s and mass production only began in like 2008 at best.

>>30117931
And yet Dinamika costs less than 1k$ but does the same as Excalibur.

>>30119850
Dinamika is only currently being tested on Koalitsiya SPG and A-192M of Gorshkov(?). Forgot where I read the Gorshkov one.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20160424/1038522310/russia-gun-missile-satellite.html