>owning an AA12 for home defense is illegal >9 swarthy

>>29995988
>9 men break into your house

If you have a nice enough house that someone brings 8 of their buddies to help loot the place, you should really hire some private security. Also you can totally afford to get any gun you want.

>>29995988
>There STILL isnt a Civilian AA-12
fuck dude

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>>29995997
Good point.

uh i'd just use my AR dummy

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>implying niggers stick around after 2chaynz gets dropped with a slug tovthe chest.

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>>29995988
>you should really hire some private security.

What if you, the owner, personally wants to be the one to snatch a motherfucker birthday?

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>>29995988
>>9 swarthy gentlemen just break into your home and you have a pump action
Its time.

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An AA12 would cost much more than your typical AR which would arguably be a better option anyways.

>>29996009

buckshot is the ultimate in dindu repellent.

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>>29995988

After the first 5 guys, the remainder can't be too smart if they didn't take the hint that they should leave. I'd probably just load a few more rounds off the shell caddy.

>>29995988
Get yourself a Kel-Tec KSG or a UTAS UTS-15.

Both seem to be available to civialians.

>>29995988
that's why you go buy a saiga or VEPR 12 and have literally 3 times the rate of fire

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>>29996009
>>29996003
These.

The best weapons for defense are, incidentally, the best weapons for offense. There's a reason why people who are the most likely to face 9 bad guys in an urban environment use rifles.

>well they didn't steal anything but now I gotta redo the fucking drywall, like, all of it

But how will you make the super-scary slide racking sound with an automatic shotgun, Anon? Everyone knows menacing sounds are more deadly than 000 buckshot.

>>29996296
>live in apartment complex
>intruder breaks in
>empty 30 round AR mag on him
>kill him and 6 neighbors

>>29996402
>Le overpenetration meme

I bet you think dry wall stops buckshot, huh?

>>29996384
>scream "GETONTHEFUCKINGGROUND"
>shoot him anyway
lmao making noise is pointless xD

>>29996413
>retard can't handle a joke
I bet you never even studied under the tutelage of Joe Biden's tactical home defense school.

>DP-12

>>29996409
random pieces of buckshot are going to be less lethal than a shot out of an AR's clip

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>>29996463
>Clip

just get two shotguns

>>29995988
>9 swarthy gentlemen break into home
>Grab shot gun
>Proceed to operate with an operational erection

>>29996474

also

>clips are now firing rounds

that means guns are no longer needed

>>29996048
DYNO-MITE, DYNO-MITE.

>>29995999
That's because it fires from an open bolt and is subject to machine gun laws.

Seriously just get a saiga 12 or a very military 12. Semi auto shotguns are not bad.

>>29996016
It really isn't, though.

>>29995999
Literally do this
>buy saiga 12
>tie 50lb dumbell to it

wala, you even have your ~7 moving parts thing

Man, if I showed up to rob you and you perforate 1-2 of my friends, I'm not some video game character that will march inexorably forward to my own doom. I'm running in the direction opposite from where the lead is coming.

>>29996463
This is untrue, actually, as .223 penetrates drywall less than buckshot. The light, high velocity round is quick to tumble and fragment compared to most other ammunition--especially in 40gr and, oddly, 77gr as well. An AR is the best option for limiting overpenetration.

>>29995997
You're a fucking idiot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Byrd_and_Melanie_Billings

>>29997114
I don't get hat you're trying to say here. They could afford private security and any gun they wanted, but had neither. They are dead as a result of this.
You haven't disputed anything anon said.

>>29996402
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>29996463
Oh, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>>29995988

>not tim-tamming their flim-flams with your tactical assault extendozine guns

whut?

>>29995988
but I have 40 rounds of M193 on tap

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>>29996008
This, desu senpai. Slamfire is funfire.

>>29996007
>kill 9 kangz
>when asked why you kept shooting, you say it was for the punani

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>>29997114
They had an impressive net worth from years of owning their own businesses each. There IS a reason why those 8 niggers picked the Billings family to rob.

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>>29995988
That's why you use slugs. Nine nigs of the nog can't fit through the door at the same time.

>>29997066
>as .223 penetrates drywall less than buckshot.

When I say I hate this meme, I MEAN IT.

Saiga 12 with a 20 round drum. You can pick one up with the drum for less than $800 in ky.

>>29997780
>facts trigger me!

>>29997006
do not get a saiga unless you like a shotgun that can actually jam.

>>29997780
Facts are memes now?

>what is a vepr 12

>>>29995988
>Get yourself a Kel-Tec KSG or a UTAS UTS-15.
>Kel-Tec
>UTS-15

Or, if you wanted something not a jam-o-matic, you could get a DP-12 and have two barrels of fun-fetti ready for jamal and his friends' birthday party.

>>29997888
Hasn't been in a call of duty game. Not cool enough.

>>29997850
So an AA12 can't jam?

>>29995988
VEPR 12

>>29997757
>build a huge house
>just looks like an inflated version of the two bedroom ranch houses poor young couples buy in the midwest
They deserved it for being tasteless dolts.

>>29997810
>>29997874
You could provide som fo real evidence, instead of just yelling "facts" over and over again. You may actually convince somebody that way.

>>29997066
>le tumble meemee

Kill yourself, but only after killing your entire family to prevent your retard genes from being passed on.

>>29996409
number 1 shot, yes

M8 most home invaders will run away the second they see a gun. Any that won't will certainly run away if their buddy gets shot in front of them.

Robbers don't go around looking for a fight, they don't want to end up dead or with a murder/assault charge on top of breaking and entering.

>>29998009
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Ballistics Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Facts Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha

http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/

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>>29996008
>lovingly caressing muh trench gun every night
>bangcrash.mp3
>fix bayonet
>...finally

>some time later
>cops arrive
>gingerly step through the mess
>find last swarthy gentleman stuck to wall with glorious sword bayonet
>mfw I'm still racking the slide

Browning A-5 filled with Federal 00 Buck.

Watch the others run for the hills through the holes you just made in the couple lead nigs

Just get some 5.56/.223 in a light tound (55 grain, 62 grain, etc) and have it as a hollowpoint.

>>29998113


Me again, just to say that I have a hallway gun (mossy 500 20ga filled with magnum slugs) - 30 yards from master bedroom to front door/living room

And a couch gun ( Browning A-5 12ga filled with #1 buck) - <10 yards from comfy couch to front entryway

The narrow hallway makes it a perfect killzone for a slug gun but you could go with a 30 cal carbine if you want dat semi auto

Couch gun stays #1 buck due to cute little neighbor kidds I don't want to murder (until they get older and gain shitty hoodlum friends and tendencies)

>>29996296
Turrets are pretty good at defense but pretty shit at offence unless you give the mobility

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>>29995988
Oh no, if only there were some sort of weapon that had a round count in the double digits and was already on the market.

What about the Saiga 12?

>>29997050
it's voila you fucking imbecile

>>29998144
>Just get some 5.56/.223 in a light tound (55 grain, 62 grain, etc) and have it as a hollowpoint.


...and be so close to the intrusion that the 5.56JHP poke tiny .223 holes and never expand . These guys are usually inside of 10 yards when it goes bang.

Seriously, anyone using 5.56 for HD should go hunting more.

Try shooting a deer from 20 yards with 5.56 center mass. Pin holes and blood trails. Same shot with a shitty slow ass 30-30 and dropem in place

Range is a HUGE fucking consideration for me in home defense. sure, SHTF and nigs are approaching wit block fawty... from 100 yards+ AR from the second floor all day long. (fuckit go with a CETME)

But you become targeted due to gimmedat s casing your place while away, its time for 30cal or shotguns, or big fucking handcannons.

My friend keeps a 41 colt and a M&P 45 cause hes all about handguns. Says fuck a 9mm and it's extra capacity because "throw a handfull of pebbles at a sheet of aluminum, then throw a handfull of rocks"

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>>29998266
>rounds fresh from the muzzle will not expand
>somehow they will expand downrange

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>>29998241

if only it wasn't voila

>>29998284
>>somehow they will expand downrange

They expand on impact captain shitdick.

Learn 2 JHP

>>29995988
Look, ninety percent of the time, you aren't going to have to kill all of your attackers. They aren't the fucking Zulu. Give the first one a whiff of grape and his "friends" will usually trample each other in an attempt to flee.

>>29998266

but all that's wrong tho

>>29998306
>but all that's wrong tho


never been hunting before amirite?

never hit a fleshy target witha lead rite?

>>29998284
>>rounds fresh from the muzzle will not expand
>>somehow they will expand downrange


ballistics man, read about it.

velocity is extremely high and expansion is shit. Bullet slows even marginally and expansion is increased

at first this is logarithmic, then sigmoidal

>>29997114

hahaha What. They were a very high value target, this was not a single story suburb robbery.

They had a total of 16 children, including each other's stepchildren and adoptive children.[11][12][nb 1] One source said 13 of the children were adopted.[15]

At the time of their death, Melanie Billings owned a used car lot and Byrd Billings had a company named Worldco Financial Services.[16][5] Byrd Billings was also a used car dealer and former strip club owner.[5][17]

>>29996365
bill burr detected

>>29997810
>>29997874
5.56 only fragments when it hits flesh. I can see why people think it overpenetrates less but it really doesn't.

Go look at the numerous penetration tests and you'll see that a bullet that has the lethality to kill can go through 6 pieces of drywall with ease.

>>29998327
That's wrong though. Increased velocity means bullet expands earlier in the wound. Extremely high means the bullet breaks up insTead.

>>29998241
it's a meme you dip

>>29998337
>Go look at the numerous penetration tests and you'll see that a bullet that has the lethality to kill can go through 6 pieces of drywall with ease.

/k is a NO facts zone. now git

Since you are intelligent to at least some extent, I am interested in you personal choice of HD ammunition. (plz no .223)

>>29998296
Except this guy is saying that within 20 yards they won't expand on impact, somehow.

If they don't expand with muzzle velocity how the fuck do they expand anywhere on the ballistic path?

>>29998357
Hornady TAP .223 and gold dots for my handgun
>(plz no .223)

There's more reasons to use .223 other than the myth that it has some innate ability to shatter at initial contact with drywall. Hornady GMX is also a good choice.

>>29997780
> I have no idea what terminal ballistics are : the post.

>>29998346
>That's wrong though. Increased velocity means bullet expands earlier in the wound. Extremely high means the bullet breaks up insTead.

This seems plausible even though I've read otherwise from what I consider reliable sources.

Tell you what I'm willing to try it out so I'll try to blast some coon and opossum with my wifes AR tonight.

Maybe the deer I'd been hunting were magic, or maybe the JSP ammo wasn't right for the situation.

BTW: hunting deer with .223 is technically illegal in Michigan, plz dont call RAP hotline brah

>>29995988
>anti-tank weaponry for home defense is illegal
>nsa breaks into your browser history with all 1 billion of their government trained sleeper agents and all you have is malwarebytes

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>>29995988

So why not use pic related? 14 rounds, double barrel pump shotty will fuck anything up. more reliable too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bOVOqccmw0

>>29995988
>implying the 4 others wont book it when the first 5 get ventilated

>>29998337
unless you live in a transdimensional house where the drywall is back to back it stops being lethal rather quickly, hell it is about as bad as HD buckshot in terms of overpenetration.

Frankly moot as there is no real HD caliber or round that can reliably stop dindu but magically turn to glitter once it hits a wall.

>>29998087
>thread

>>29998470
Because this gun is a meme

Look I think this needs to be said. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of .223/5.56 they're dead. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of 9mm, they're dead. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of .357 they're dead. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of .22 they're dead. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of 7.62 they're dead. If you shoot someone from 10 feet with a few rounds of Whatever fucking bullet you want, they are fucking dead. A huge percentage of the population relies on 0 guns for home defense. So any fucking gun that you have, can be used for home defense. Just because you think ars are gay, doesn't make them a viable weapon. So I beg of you, before another home defense caliber debate begins, just shut the fuck up and let it die.

>>29998743
But how can I feel like a man if I'm not shooting someone with a bullet roughly the size of my penis?

>>29999703
youll need a vierling for that

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>>29997767
>that pic
What?

>>29999841
or a zwilling in my case

>>29995988
>>29995988


Can't you buy a M1014 with an extended tube?

>>30000316
Yeah but you don't look like a faggot mallninja like OP wants to look like so it doesn't count.

>>30000356

True.

Although if I had the money I'd just build a 14 gauge out of a AR-15 or some shit, cut down the barrel to within 2 inchs of minimum before you start effecting ballistics and go from there.


Or you could get one of those Glocks in 357 SIG and mate it to one of those weird ass frankencarbine kits?

>>29995988
>the entrance to my apartment is narrow as fuck
>get my Mauser
>affix bayonet
>fire 8mm of pain straight through one of them into the guy behind him and the guy behind them
>start screaming in German as I work the bolt
>rest of the nogs run in fear

>>29995988
Shoot the first 6 and beat the other 3 to death with the stock.

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Well, it's a good thing 11rd mags exist.

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>Implyng I won't be tried in the Hague after an invasion is over

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Since we're on the topic of HD calibers, what would pic related in .223 do to two legged varmint at HD ranges??

>>29998391
You used shit JSP that fragmented too early or ricocheted off bone instead of a dedicated bonded/solid medium game or hog bullet like Federal Fusion, Winchester Razorback, or Barnes VOR-TX/Remington Hog Hammer that enters, expands, and exits for a decent wound channel.

>>30001344
Considering they fragment inside a grape without exiting, probably peel a decent size patch of skin off and cause their drug-fueled rage to intensify.

Use deer or hog hunting bullets.

>>29997850
Vepr

>no mention of the SRM

16 rounds of 12 gauge, semi automatic.

Have fun.

Saiga fags need not apply.

>>29995988
>pump action
>my only pumps actions are in the safe
>keep a bullpup Saiga 12 in the closet
>aluminum piston & autoplug fix reliability
>box mag has 10 rounds of 3" 15-pellet 00 buck
>only way to me is up a narrow stairwell
>until it is done
>rip and tear

>>29998039
Burglars will piss off, but a push-in robbery gang with a side of ATM kidnapping WILL shoot at homeowners that try to fuck with their original plan or kill them.