When and why did the US military lose the respect of the world?

>>29822009

Because WWIII never happened which is why everyone is bummed.

The general opinion points towards the Vietnam War, not the conflict itself but how protracted the damned thing was. You know how if you put a mattress in the pool and it takes a crane to get it out? The sentiment of the world is very much the same.

>>29822032
>You know how if you put a mattress in the pool and it takes a crane to get it out? The sentiment of the world is very much the same.

Fucking what?

>>29822038
My god, you're so new I can still smell the "new anon" scent.

>>29822038
Basically if you fuck up, it takes a huge effort to undo it in the eyes of the world

I never understood the disdain for the US military.
>HEY YOU, AMERICA
>yeah
>YOUR ARMY IS SHIT FUCK YOU
>okay i'll just pull my protective forces from around your borders and cease foreign aid
>wait no you're pretty cool
seriously, this is like those copblock faggots.
they may hate cops but when push comes to shove, they want the police to help them.
you think in a world war, all these faggot "fuck you US" countries will survive?
fuck no.
the US/nato will tell them to fuck off.

>>29822009

>all the gear but no idea
>all show and no go
>gets BTFO in every war they enter
>soldiers are fat as fuck
>bombs civilians
>fights for oil and jews
>"special forces" are not even special
>camouflage looks like shit
>undeserved sense of superiority

No but seriously the only reason the US military gets so much hate is because Americans are so uptight and easy to upset. One bad word about the US and a thread has 200+ replies from angry amerifats. It's done for humour.

>>29822505
holy fucking kek the bait is real
>>gets btfo in every war they enter
my sides no longer fucking exist jesus christ you're retarded

>>29822038
>Fucking what?

The mattress thing is a metaphor. He is saying that the entire World still views the whole Vietnam War thing as being a poor choice of action, overall.

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>>29822505

Kek?

>>29822009
I think Iraq was the final push. Totally unnecessary war. The casus belli was made up. Every well thinking person could anticipate the aftermath of secular violence.
Too bad all these political issues are weighing on the respect for the military.

>>29822534

>Saddam's crimes against humanity, especially concerning the Kurds
>Made up

Huh?

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>>29822521
>SWCC

>>29822545
aren't those guys just pt boat drivers with like 100 grand in shit on and a million or so dollars in training?

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>>29822545

If SWCC ain't spec, then neither is SOAR

And SOAR is spec as fuck

>>29822505

>"special forces" are not even special

I think they are really "special" if you catch my drift

>>29822543
>What are WMD?
Crimes against humanity was not the casus belli, if it where we were 20 years too late.
And should have entered every middle eastern country, Turkey, China, pretty much whole Africa and NK

Stop getting your information from Fox anon.

>>29822548
This

>>29822552
SOAR are not much better than regular aviation.

>>29822009
Around the time when they've started boasting about useless gimmicks while developing sub-par weapons.

Case in point:
M1 Abrams fires DU sabot rounds. DU is great, it's not Tungsten(which is far better for penetrators) but it's cheaper so I can see why are they going with it. They also have another reason to use it - it's heavy metal(=toxic), so there's that effect they call with some smart name where part of it it vaporises during penetration from the temperature etc. etc. contaminating the enemy vehicle on top of doing rampage inside or whatever it went, I've heard various explanations from horribly uneducated people but they were centred around toxic heavy metal going in at high temperature. Either way it means that DU penetrators are minimally more dangerous than Tungsten penetrators despite being worse for their main purpose - penetrating armour.

And that's completely fine.

Except M1A2 Abrams uses layers of DU in its own armour, which makes it more resistant to Sabot rounds(because of different softness) but at the same time its melting point is lower than steel's, which means that HEAT rounds(aka 90% of anti tank ammunition) will go through it minimally easier and... push a column of melted metal, partially from armour itself(containing DU) into the vehicle. Which will basically result in the same pyro-whatever effect as penetration with DU round. US military was smart enough to realise it when picking ammunition but forgot about it when picking materials for armour.

And this is the kind of things that happen over and over there. Then you have cryonism(see Growler) and other issues but these are common everywhere so... yeah.

>>29822534
I assume you mean Iraq Part 2: WMD Boogaloo, since Desert Storm was pretty fucking justified

>>29822543
"But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
"a mushroom cloud."

That's why we invaded Iraq dumbass, not because of Kurds, not because Saddam was a dick BUT BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO LAUNCH NUKES ANY DAY NOW NEVAR FORGET HE ALSO DID 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>29822572
I suspect a lot of people on /k/ are too young to remember Colin Powell lying his traitorous ass off to the UN about yellowcake uranium and pointing out blobby "WMD sites" on satellite photos.

>>29822009

In EE you loose our respect cause your army is turning to shitty and you are getting manhandled by the Russians in the Middle East.

>>29822567
>which is far better for penetrators

except it's not

germans only use it because they're faggots

the rest of your post is also just fucking stupid

where do you get this shit from

>>29822568
Where Pt 1 was all about acting humble. After just finishing a very complicated military operation while freeing an occupied nation and maintaining stability in the region.

Pt 2 was the exact opposite.

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>>29822032
>>29822485
>>29822520
I think the real reason the whole Vietnam-legacy is so solid is that you did literally the exact same fucking thing in Iraq like 30 years later.

Like literally the exact same level of fucking up with the hearts-and-minds bullshit.

It didn't work in Vietnam why in the name of all *fuck* did you think it would work in Iraq?

>>29822630
Why are you so triggered?

>>29822642
why are you such a trite little moron?

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>>29822616

>>29822630
>Does not know Gulf War Syndrome.

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>>29822437

>2016
>calling people new

kys

>>29822567
>america lost the world's respect when tehy made a bad choice of penetrator for their sabot rounds i their mbt

are you serious? do you really think thats what most of the world's population form their judgment of countries based on

>>29822616
Should have been tried for that one.

Our hipocrisy, mixed with our ignorance, and a huge heaping of jealousy.

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>>29822009
You can destroy only so many countries and ruin so many lives while dishing out underhanded propaganda before the people turn against you.

>>29822707
Yes.

>>29822707
>america lost the world's respect when tehy made a bad choice of penetrator for their sabot rounds i their mbt
Penetrator is good.
Using composite armour containing DU while understanding the dangers tank faces from DU being heated up(one of the reasons for picking DU penetrators) isn't good.

This is one of a series of things, an example of typical trend in US military that causes people to look at their new advanced weapons reluctantly therefore giving them less respect than deserved(see F-22), because of poorly thought decisions in R&D.

vietnam was a winnable war. it was fucked up by politicians who wanted to tie the US military's hands behind their backs. just like the iraq war. we could have easily destroyed the enemy in both wars, but failed because of the vicious cycle of politicians pussyfooting because of being scared of opposition, and opposition opposing because politicians appeared inept for not doing jack shit

Like 50% jealousy, with the rest a mix of actual legitimate reasons. That's just for the military/govt, though.

The amount of hate directed toward some average joe schmoe civilian is more like 90% jealousy, 10% mad because we just condescendingly dismiss everything as third worlders being jealous peasants.

There are many reasons one could go on about for hours, but ultimately it all comes down to the lack of leadership. No prominent figures, no sense of purpose, no clear strategy regarding the future. Back in the days when people like Rickover and McNamara had clear vision of US military place in the world, where it should be in another 10-15 years and how they will get there. Those were the enemies you could respect. People in charge of American MIC now? I don't even know the names of those lobbyists and politicians in charge of F-35 and LRSB, and I doubt any of them will be held responsible when the time comes.

>>29822633
vietnam, korean and iraq war were all neccesary, even if the conflict wasnt americas, americas help was requested

>When and why did the US military lose the respect of the world?

What a stupid anecdote pitched as fact

The thing about modern conventional major powers in combat with modern day insurgencies is: find an example where they unabashedly won a counter-insurgency campaign in modern times (post WW2). The only example usually cited is the Malayan Emergency, and from what little I know of the 2nd chechen war (which is "Putin puts chechen strongman in power and can walk away from it") that might count too.

But I'm hard pressed to think anyone would do better than the USA in the counter-insurgencies of Iraq and Afghanistan. The question of fucking up in Iraq is more about our political ineptitude than military. And likewise the contempt is not towards the US military but more so US foreign policy.

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>this whole thread
>(you)

>>29823049
I was criticizing the conduct of those wars bro, not the fact they were fought.

America fucked up in Vietnam with the "exporting freedom" fallacy then did the *exact* same stooge move in Iraq.

>>29822521
Look at that skack jawed mouthbreather.
>yeah ok, I'd probably enjoy opening that thing up too...

>>29822009
As someone in the US military that has been to at least a couple other countries, I've never been treated with anything but respect, when we stopped in Ireland on our way overseas, several Irish people in the airport stopped us and thanked us for serving

>>29822548
>and a million or so dollars in training?
Why does training cost this much?

>>29823201
We had some marines come into my town last year and my friend faith-healed some of them.

They all seemed pretty cool except there was this one hard-core PTSD looking guy who kept saying that joining the corps. was the worst thing he ever did.

There was also as black marine who did a literal "muh dick" at a rugby game before being escorted out of the stadium but he was the only asshole marine I saw (and he was drunk as shit I think).

>>29822009
When they started playing world police and fucking everything up for everyone.

>>29822521
>filename
Pretty sure his gun says "hildy" not fucking niloy

>>29822517
You fell for the bait, Anon... Read the paragraph

>>29822517
I like how you fell for a clearly marked bait, yet that was the ONLY point you disagreed with.

'murica stronk.

>>29822009
Nothing lasts forever

>>29822009
Army is fine. Kitchen politics make people not like it.

>>29822521
I bet it would be more fun if it wasn't firing blanks.

>>29822517
>getting baited this hard

This is why everyone hates us, anon.

>>29823119
Kenya, aden, ireland

>>29822631
>>29822568

Tbh even part 1 only happened because American interests were threatened.

>One smelly Arab dictator invaded another smelly Arab dictator

Nobody would have given a fuck if there wasn't any oil there.

>>29822485
The USA fucked up in Cuba, Vietnam and Somalia. Now, they're fucking up in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia and Syria. I could say that apart of Grenada the USA fucked up everything they did after 1968 - which means a half-century of fails.

>>29822932

M8 the French had ruled Vietnam at gunpoint for over a century by then, and they were willing to do some pretty fucked up shit to break Vietnamese will to fight. If they couldn't hold onto it what makes you think you could have?

Pro tip: A population that refuses to be subdued will not be subdued, unless you are willing to completely destroy that population.

>>29822543
If crimes against humanity were a reason for war, the USA should be in civil war for the last 30 years at least.

>>29825366
Mali, Ivory Coast

>>29825449
You're the type of faggot that makes me wish /k/ had flags

>>29823049

Korea was maybe the only one of those three that was justified since the North was basically a Soviet proxy anyway and it was a UN operation. In Vietnam the Northerners were actually homegrown patriots who were justifiably sick of filthy roundeyes ruling their country.

For all the xenophobic sentiment you find on 4chan it's incredibly ironic that they seem to be completely incapable of understanding the resentment that formerly colonized nations have towards major world powers.

>>29823202
Because some military-industrial complexe's CEO's need new private jets and new villas in Carribeans. And anyway, if defense wouldn't use its budget fully, it would get cut the next year.

>>29825366

Idk if you can call Ireland a victory. I mean there were parts of the IRA that wanted independence but the majority of them just wanted civil rights and political representation for Irish Catholics, which they got. It was more of a negotiated truce really.

>>29822534
>>29822568
>failing to enforce treaties/armistices will not render international law moot

Yeah, okay

>>29822658
>DONT DROP THAT SHIT NIGGA

>>29825508
Please, tell me where the USA didn't fuck up since the Korea war? Because all I can see are fails.

War on drugs: failed. War on terror: failed. The entire Middle-East turned into a gigantic and chaotic clusterfuck. Cambodia lost 30% of its population in a massive genocide before become a vassal state of Vietnam. Laos is a communist country. Somalia is still a catastrophe. Kosovo got created. Good work, giving Christian land to Mudslimes.

ITT:
>Bad decisions made by US politicians is the military's fault.

I'd say resentment, jealousy and the want to be treated well when they return to their shores.

Back in the UK, a local regiment had returned after a particulally hard deployment, they had the freedom of the town and were allowed to march in full order through it, a parade was planned and they marched through the town very proud and strong in their uniforms... but nobody turned up.

This back home is the reason people dislike the US military as they see the resoect and the generous nature in which normal people (Not fags who shitpost on a oriental oragami board) treat them. Everything from discounts in restaurants to giving up a seat for an old veteran, to a simple handshake and thank you in the street to applause from a stadium at a sporting event.

They see this happening and resent that their own country won't even approve the budget to buy firing pins that will not snap, or recoil springs that won't loose their tension after 5 mags or something so horrifically cheap and simple.

Love the US, joinig the forces at the end of the year.

>>29825569
>War on drugs

Was a ploy to make the government more money by making drugs legal to fill up prisons, open up drug trade for the government itself, and so on. It was largely successful in making the people who started it, rich. Minus Reagan, who started it as something totally different. Bush and the people after him used it as a money grab.

>War on Terror

See above, replace drugs with 'Oil, and Bush Sr. with Bush Jr.

>Cambodia
Well, people bitched when we killed Commies. So we stopped killing Commies.

>Laos is communist

So? They seem pretty happy with it.

>Somalia is a catastrophe
Well so is most of Africa, and Europe had as much to do with it as America. More-so even since the U.S. didn't go after Africa back in the good ol' Imperialism days.

>Kosovo
So?

>MUH CHRISTIAN LAND

Oh, fuck you. Everything you've said amounts to political blunders/schemes, not our military's effectiveness.

>>29823202
How much did your education cost?
Now do it all again with a range day every week and flying around in helicopters every month.
In bad weather.
At night.

>>29825529
NK has broken a lot more treaties and armistices. NK has had successful nuclear bomb tests NK has a much more strict regime.
Somehow they get away with it.
>What is oil?

Found any WMD in Iraq, 0326?
At what point did you decide the government sacrificed so much for so little?
We still suffer the consequences from OIF. Without it, ISIL would never have become so strong.

Too many incompetents, too much light infantry fetish getting people killed.
The US has spent the last 100 years aiding the bad guys of every conflict, only exception is maybe korean war, which only happened because the US intentionally split korea in ww2.

Lately it's because they elected a nigger for president, we can pretend that nigs are wonderful here in our country, but the rest of the world disagrees.

>>29826653
They accomplished their goals, a strong iraq was a threat to Israel/american empire bullshit

These sunni terrorists have been the allies of America for decades now
Lets not pretend the US is an enemy of ISIS

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>>29825594
>Mai Lay, Abu Ghrahib, extrajudicial drone strikes against dubiously valid targets and countless friendly-fire incidents throughout every single conflict is the US government's fault

It wouldn't be so bad if the US military's individual fighting man wasn't just so goddamned incompetent.

>>29825674

The War on Drugs goes back at least as far as Nixon, who used it to go after blacks and hippies. It has never been a useful thing.

>>29822633
why did it happen twice, 2 things happened: politicians made policy decisions regarding what to do based on the political mood of the country, and the political mood became one of hippies and progressives who always fuck up everything

>>29823119
Malaysian emergency is a pretty great example.

>>29826653
I'll just leave this here
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

>oil
For Europe, it certainly hasn't be coming here so the idea that America fought to get Iraq's oil is ludicrous when we could have just opted into the "Food For Oil" program and got it on the cheap.

>Salfists weren't growing rapidly in number prior to OIF
That's a laugh

>>29825498
Sierra Leone.

The US struggles with HUMINT, proffesional low level infantry NCO's and buys too much into all the millitary industrial complex's bullshit.

Jumping into wars where they dont understand the human geography and then depending on multi millon dollar weapons to bring them victory.

If you want to stop the Russians crossing the Rhine, or keep the asia sealanes open the the US is head and shoulders above the rest. Anything more delicate they can suck at really bad.

>>29825521
The IRA gave up on vilonce as a tool for change and now respects the status quo. They still want to change things, but through the establishments accepted way of doing things.

started with vietnam, and they just kept digging their own grave thereafter:
granada
panama
iraq
war on 'drugs'

like Gen. Smedley Butler observed, the american military is nothing more than gangsters fighting a turf war for the capitalist rulers. just look at our history of intervention, direct and indirect in Latin America for almost 100 years

nobody likes thugs

>>29828538
>quoting Smedley
>implying he wasn't perfectly fine being a "thug" until his big mouth got him in trouble

>unwinnable "war on terror"
>failure to demolish primitive sand men
Most significantly, people are just less respectful in general, and respect for America itself is in decline.

>>29822543
Genuinely curious what rock you live under anon