What AK-47s would you guys recommend? Polymer furniture is preferred

>>29820729
WASR 10

>>29820729
Stay away from SerbShit.

WASR or Arsenal. There is no middle-ground.

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>>29820729
>What AK-47s would you guys recommend?

Polytech legend

>>29820938
>Serbshit
>Romani Gypsy shit is any better

N-PAP or WASR-10

>>29820938
forgetting saiga?


no point in wasrs, they are too overvalued right now.

OP i would recommend this:

https://www.classicfirearms.com/amd-63-7-62x39-rifle-with-solid-stock-phoenix-stock-type2

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>>29820977
>npap
>any good

>speshul snowflake furniture
>need special mounting solutions like a special needs child
>stock that beats you up if you shoot it incorrectly
>literally non chromelined barrel despite yugo surplus being corrosive
>b-b-but muh granadesz and remov kebib1!!!1

paps are a fucking joke and I don't even like wasrs.

>>29821016
Is this a joke?

>>29821025
>WASR canted sights
>disgusting gypsy smell on the rifle
>no option for underfolder or milled rifle
>he doesn't know paps are being imported with warsaw pact style stocks now

wew

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>>29820729
>Looking at the M70s particularly.

Serbs make good guns, this thread's faggotry aside.

The chrome-lining thing is less of a thing than most dumbasses make of it. Yes, chrome-lining makes your barrel more corrosion-resistant, by it's more about barrel life under sustained automatic fire. Chrome lining keeps the barrel from softening up enough to really fuck up your rifling.

Zastava barrels are VERY high quality however, and you need to put a LOT of rounds full-auto through the pipe before you'll really see any difference. Since you're not gonna even have a giggleswitch, I wouldn't worry about it.

>speshul snowflake furniture
Honestly this is the worst part about Yugos. It's why I recommend WASRs over NPAPs despite the slightly higher overall build quality of the Yugos.

>cheek slap
Yep. They best you like you mouthed off while they're drinking if you don't have proper form. Newer NPAPs ship with a stock with more standardized ergos (though allegedly the wood is shit) where it's not an issue.

They're great guns but they're not standard AKMs and as such aren't a great intro to the platform compared to a WASR.

>>29821229
For the record, the NPAP pictured has had its stock reshaped and furniture refinished because NPAPs used to ship with piss-awful stocks that were near-impossible to even shoot with irons

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>>29820938
>WASR or Arsenal
>Arsenal

>>29820729
if its made in america walk away

>>29821264
>pay twice as much
>get the same issues plus a couple the cheaper rifle doesn't have!

>>29821229
What do you think about robskis N-PAP failing? Did he just get a lemon?

>>29821279
wasrs cost 80% of what arsenals cost these days

>>29820729

An old,heavily used AK that probably was used in multiple third world conflicts

>>29821296
Where are you finding Arsenals for $800?

>>29820729

Its called an AKM.

AK-47s only refer to the earliest generation of Soviet military Kalashnikovs and even those were adopted in 1949.

>>29821330
i find them for 900-1000 , the question is where are you finding wasrs for less than 800?

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>>29821296
>$650 is 80% of $1100

>>29821362
800 is the going rate from what ive seen. either way i got mine for 300 shipped new, and wouldnt spend more than 350 for one. if you are going to spend over 400 for an AK, might as well just get an arsenal since at least there is value behind the additional cost

>>29821292
Zastava QC definitely slipped last year.

>spring assemblies that were 1/4" too short causing premature wear
>at least one I handled had its FSB pins drilled crooked so the detent plunger for the muzzle brake wasn't actually being held by anything.
My gun had both these issues, the first was a $25 part off Apex to fix, the second took my gunsmith redrilling and putting a wider pin in the FSB.

However I'm also 3000 rounds deep in the gun without any issues since correcting these (admittedly unacceptable) early problems. No excessive wear whatsoever.

My guess with that particular rifle was slight deformation of the receiver from running it over + a failure on Rob's part to reinstall the shepherd's crook correctly. There's also a chance the magwell hadn't been widened out correctly meaning weakness in the receiver right around where the failure seems to have occurred. I can't know without seeing the rifle in person and I'm hoping I'm not too far into damage control mode there. I'm also betting that you could have that rifle up and running with 30 seconds in a vice, and possibly it would not have broken if it had a retaining plate rather than a shepherd's crook.

All the 2016 NPAPs I've handled lacked the visible QC issues of last year's guns FWIW.

>>29821489
I've seen a lot of people say it was a bad batch, I know robski was somewhere in the 16k range.

>>29821361
>the question is where are you finding wasrs for less than 800?
Where the fuck do you live?
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>29821388
I promise you current-production WASRs are of a much higher quality than the one you paid $350 for. The jump in quality between my WASR from 05 and my buddy's from 2015 is pretty striking.

>800 is the going rate from what ive seen.
You should go somewhere other than your shit LGS and Cabela's.

>if you are going to spend over 400 for an AK, might as well just get an arsenal
So if you're gonna buy an AK that isn't dangerous to operate?

>since at least there is value behind the additional cost
If you want a factory-made sidefolder, Arsenal is the most cost-effective way to get one that isn't garbage. However, it will still have a garbage finish, a dogshit trigger, and a chance to have canted sights (fucking unacceptable for a $1000+ rifle.

Even at $650 the WASR is the best bang-for-buck AKM around.

>>29821545
california, so have to factor in shipping, adding bullet button, and $100 ffl transfer fee

>>29820938
Vepr>>>>>Arsenal

>>29821564
can you elaborate on the differences of new wasrs vs the older ones? i am curious. for example, my $300 wasr had horribly fitted ugly wooden furniture with oversized inlets. thin stamped receiver. other than that, pretty decent overall but still a bit cheap feeling

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>>29821649
They're definitely tops, but I dunno if you can find one for what the OP wants.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/ak-47-74-rifles/russian-vepr-rifles.html

Still though, theyr'e probably one of the top quality AK pattern rifles out there. They're definitely the heaviest I'd say, since they're built with a heavy RPK based receiver, but they run great and shoot great as well, even when running hot handloads through them.

>>29821678
Yea, I've fired a few thousand out of my vepr with minor (And some cases no) lubrication, and the wear (The hammer for example) is very minor, no deformation, just the finish wearing off. While an anon posted one of their arsenals with a very deformed hammer with only 700 or less rounds fired.

>>29821662
>can you elaborate on the differences of new wasrs vs the older ones?

The park on his looks better, for sure, and it ran smoother it of the box than I remember mine being. Completely straight where mine's FBS is slightly canted.

We both have surplus wood on our guns, so I can't really comment there although the wood that came on his wasn't awesome.

The receiver is 1mm, just like every AKM.

>>29821707
i really like the G2 trigger on mine, i dont see why people bash it

>>29821714
G2's a good trigger. There's a reason it's in 90% of the AKs you run into in the States.

ALG AKT is better though, ymmv on whether the cost and effort are worth it.

>>29820729
Saiga conversion is the best way to go. DDI is making decent stuff. Wasr seems to be the gold standard.

Just don't get a zastava or American build POS (other than DDI) and you should like it.

>>29821750
are saigas even being imported still?

>>29821750
isnt wasr an american built? i thought century makes them

>>29821775
I think so, but not nearly as much.

>>29821775
no but they are opening a factory stateside so dont worry

>>29821779
WASRs are built in Romania.

Century imports them (with godawful dimples in the receiver to make them single stack only, not accept standard AK mags, and pass ATF import rules regarding "SPORTING RIFLES"), tears them apart, removes the dimples, puts them back together correctly (most of the time), and adds a few US parts like that black pistol grip, Tapco trigger, etc, and then stamps MADE IN USA on it so it can accept those evil 30 round AK magazines again.

>>29821787
The factory stateside is run by faggots that stole the brand since Izhmash's assets in the US got frozen by the government.

Think Bacardi's fake Puerto Rican Havana Club in the USA versus Cuban Havana Club in the rest of the world. Don't support those thieves.

http://rbth.com/news/2015/07/13/kalashnikov_concern_unable_to_prevent_sales_of_aks_in_us_47717.html

>>29821635
Califag pls go

>>29821815
>WASRs are built in Romania.
Yes

>Century imports them
Yes

> (with godawful dimples in the receiver to make them single stack only, not accept standard AK mags, and pass ATF import rules regarding "SPORTING RIFLES")
This is where you start going off the rails. The single-stack thing to meet import regulations is true. But that's all. WASRs are not manufactured with dimpled receivers

>tears them apart
Nope. They literally widen the magwell out in a CNC machine and install enough US-made parts to comply with 922r

>removes the dimples
....how in the fuck would they "remove dimples" from a receiver?

>puts them back together correctly (most of the time), and adds a few US parts like that black pistol grip, Tapco trigger
Which is what I referred to above.

>and then stamps MADE IN USA on it so it can accept those evil 30 round AK magazines again
....do you think the RAS47 and the WASR are the same gun? They'll put Century Arms stamps on the receiver and "READ OWNER'S MANUAL BEFORE USE" bullshit on it, but that's all.

You either have a coloring-book understanding of 922r and the import process, as well as the way AKs are assembled, in addition to never seeing a WASR in person, or this is a decent troll and you're merely pretending to be retarded

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>>29821358

>>29821016
>>>29820938
>forgetting saiga?
>no point in wasrs, they are too overvalued right now.
>OP i would recommend this:
>https://www.classicfirearms.com/amd-63-7-62x39-rifle-with-solid-stock-phoenix-stock-type2

I have one and I recommend it. Really should replace the WASR as /k/'s cheap ak of choice

>>29824871
>AMD-63
>I have one and I recommend it. Really should replace the WASR as /k/'s cheap ak of choice
Not saying they aren't good guns but fuck they're ugly.

If you want it to be a go-to AK, it's gotta look like an AK.

That's why Veprs and uncovered Saigas, while great, are peripheral to the conversation.

If that weren't true everyone would buy Norinco Hunters and be stoked about it.

can Veprs/Saigas even accept standard AK magazines?

>>29825081
I actually don't know about 7.62x39 Veprs

But factory Saigas won't out of the box. Pretty simple to get them to, however.

>>29825081
>>29825364
Veprs need converting for standard AK mags

Arsenal
Vepr
Saiga
Wasr

>>29820729
Wasr 10 bro

>>29820729
WASR. Granted if you get a WASR you will need sand paper to smooth out the hammer, bolt carrier, safety, then get a retainer plate and/or a extra power spring.

All of which an be done for under $10.

>>29820729
if you can find one, get an M70 O-PAP

i love mine and they are preferred over the N-pap

>>29826297
OPAPs are more similar to surplus M70s, for sure.

But Zastava has stopped making them, meaning that instead of the $600 you could have bought one for NiB last year or the $600 for an NPAP now, you need to buy an OPAP used at a markup that puts you into a higher-tier AK price bracket

>>29826602
you arent explaining yourself well here friend

>>29827543
OPAPs only exist because Zastava supposedly had a military contact fall through.

So they had a bunch of extra M70B3 parts laying around and no demand. At the same time they were revamping the PAP line to address its issues, like the slant-cut receiver and single-stack bolts not feeding from double-stack mags.

So they augmented NPAP production with guns made from those extra parts originally intended for the military contact. That was the OPAP. As they ramped down on surplus parts we started seeing OPAPs without things like night-sight cutouts or surplus furniture, because they still had extra receivers.

But now NPAP production has the kinks worked out, and the excess parts from that contact are gone, New production OPAPs are not a thing. So you need to buy one used unless you can find a seller that still has one in stock.

And, due to the used market being hip to the fact that they're no longer being made, you're now sitting in a higher tier of AK and price point for what was an excellent entry-level $500-$600 gun a year ago.

Not saying they aren't good guns, I'm saying that buying one over an NPAP is no longer practical advice.

Make sense now?

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But an io

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So I'm planning my next gun buy, and am going to be saving up for a while due to my low rate of income (college, the next buy would probably be a couple years out). I've been thinking about getting an AK, and I had an idea:

>Saigas are generally accepted as high quality, I've also handled one of the shotgun variants. If their rifles are anything like that, I would love it.
>Veprs are also generally hailed as high quality.

Big issue: I don't like the sporterized factory furniture. I find it aesthetically displeasing and also ergonomically troublesome with my long arms. So I would get one of those and then put the money into getting really good furniture. This brings up 3 questions:

>Wood furniture or polymer (I'm partial to wood, but I know there are pros to plastic)
>Is the Vepr or the Saiga a better option for this idea
and
>Is this idea just fucking stupid and should I not waste my time?

If anyone could please offer some guidance on this, I would much appreciate it. Also, have no pics related, but have some soviet eye candy.

>>29828856
Read up on converting a Saiga or Vepr before you jump in. Neither is as easy to make look like an AKM as swapping furniture.

Converting Saigas was extremely worth it back when you could pick up the sporter for $250, but in 2016 unless you can find an unconverted Saiga for cheap (PROTIP: you won't be able to) you're gonna be out a bunch of money.

Veprs (if you can fucking find one in 7.62x39) are a pain in the ass to make look like AKMs and even if you do it the slant-cut receiver's always gonna look wrong.

>>29829272
Yeah sadly, as great as the VEPR is, it won't have nearly the same availability of parts as regular pattern aks will have. You'll get a great rifle, but you'll still have to put in some solid chunk of work to get it where you want it.

>>29820729
http://www.k-var.com/shop/VPR-76239-01.html

>>29827839
O PAPs have thicker receivers though, they arent the same.

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>>29820729
I recently bought an AMD63 from classic for 517 shipped

Put a MFT forend on it along with magpul ak grip

Still want to change the stock and add a riser

>bought my wasr for 550 last summer
>feelsgoodman.jpg

>>29820938

DDI is the middle ground.

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>>29821362
A century gp1975 if you can find one if you want dimples.

My gp1975 from late 2013 I sanded out bolt carrier for silver look paid $450 on Black Friday deal on JGsales.

>>29824676
They shoulda had dimples in the first fucking place, like the fucking dracos have

Bro just get a WASR 10 and upgrade it with accessories.

It is best barrel/bolt AK for the price without going to the next level which is like double the price.

>>29821264

Arsenal's aren't bad, it's just the XM55 batch of the SLR-107s that are in question.

Though personally I own one from that XM55 batch, and have magdumped through it, and haven't melted the finish off. So maybe it's just a fraction of that batch that was made when Ivan was on finishing duty the Monday after a vodka bender.

Personally OP, if you get an Arsenal, swap out the original grip for a U.S. Palm AK battlegrip, and the trigger for an ALG AKT. The originals that come with the Arsenal are shit.

If this is all getting too expensive for you, get a WASR. It's the most bang for your buck nowadays.

>>29831600
it used to be anyway- now with recent QC horror stories and the bump in price from now on, i dont think so.

>>29820905
First post best post

Not OP but is that century arms AK any good?

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>>29832273
Fuck ment to reply to op,

Go1975 again

>>29832326
My gp1975 from century hasn't failed me,
>>29832273
>>29832335

Too bad thier in the same price range as wasrs now.

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>>29832326
>>29832321 here

They were originally dumpster fire tier, but their quality has vastly improved since the old days. I guess they lost a bit of their charm though. I remember back in the day seeing a Century WASR in a gun store with a furniture finish so bad it looked like bare wood, and a magwell like a dirty hooker's overstretched vagina. But man, that thing looked tough.

I handled a new one next to an Arsenal, and I have to say both felt pretty damn excellent. I just liked the Arsenal because it came with a folding stock, and "arsenalqualitylol".

Jokes on me I guess, since a couple of SLR-107s have been shown to burn off their finish after a few magdumps, and allegedly reveal rust under the paint.

>>29821635
Bro do you even Rifle Gear?

http://www.riflegear.com/p-557-century-arms-wasr-10-romanian-ak-47-ri1805n.aspx

>>29831066
>O PAPs have thicker receivers though, they arent the same.
At literally no point in any of my posts did I say they were the same.

Again, it doesn't matter because buying a new OPAP won't happen and unless you're trying to buy a used gun for $750 that sold new for $550 two years ago you're not getting a fucking OPAP.

God damn, dude.

>>29833435
reminds me i need to pull a patch thru my 600 buck serb crested stock OPAP

Not a WASR-10 because mine didn't even last 500 rounds with good care and cleaning. In fact you should probably just not buy an AK and instead buy a modern, reliable rifle.

>>29832305
Having no dimples doesn't affect anything, besides making autists like you sperg out