Dont mind me , just the best attack helicopter in the world

It sounds terrible tho

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>>29784744
Will Ameribros sell us a few to replace our shitty Tigers?

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>>29784744
>best attack helicopter in the world
>Not Hind
lol, madman.

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>>29784744
Thats not a Mangusta..

>>29788091
big target, heavy, mixed role helicopter, not a purely attack helicopter

>>29784744
nice millimeter wave radar there

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>>29788112
quick and nimble with a good array of armaments. The design is showing its age now but at one time it definitely held the crown

>>29788112
>big target
...it's almost exactly the same size as AH-64

>>29788160
How could they go about updating the design, while still keeping the concept of a troop carrying/attack/whatever heli?

>>29788180
Mi-35M

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>>29784744
Yeah, pass through and don't come back.

>>29788160

>nimble

It literally can't take off vertically at MTOW

>>29788180
...and make it sexier, you say?

Mi-24 SuperHind Mk. III

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>>29788243
Superhind is a piss ugly gutted mutant. Mi-35M is the way to go.

>>29788283
agreed, it trashes the Cold War A E S T H E T I C

>>29787507

You're already getting something better, Apaches. Be happy Aussiebro, the Tiger-nightmare is coming to an end.

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>>29788296
It lacks any aesthetic at all. It's like you gave a toy Hind to an 8 years old millennial boy and followed his advices on how to make it look "cool".

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>>29788189

>flashing slavshit stinger food

Go away vlad and get your girl back on webcam.

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>>29788333
dubs+trips of truth right here

Jesus christ I love you bastards.

>>29784744

>80% interchangeable parts with the Huey.

Smart move.

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>>29788189

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>>29788339
>Ukraine
>Stinger
Take your meds.
>Buying the same old pro-towelhead Cold War propaganda bullshit
The impact of Stinger on Mi-24 was neglected to changing the tactics and implementing upgrades as soon as it appeared in field. Specifically Soviet IRCM jammers shat on it.

>>29788495

>using an attack chopper as a troop transport
>making it an even larger target.
>eventually just using them as support/protection while dedicate troop transports carried soldiers
>"muh slaveshit is superior to american imperialist"

You're drunk again you untermensch.

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>>29788488

>>29788495
You're right, that's why they got shot down with .50s and rifles.

>>29788514
It was mainly countermeasures that worked...

Logistically it's always better to move things in bulk, hence Mi-8's

But, a Mi-24 logistically works if you also need CAS without wanting to wait for it.

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>>29788514
>Hello, I'm new here, what the fuck is history?
No one used it as a troop transporter, Eugene. The highest efficiency was achieved in CAS role with two crew members and one technician with a machine gun returning fire against towelhead monkeys.
>>29788526
>.50s
12.7×108. And Apache was shot down with AK.

>>29788563

the point
__________
Vlad's head

yeah Ivan, so you ended up with a heavy bulky CAS that you think is better because it carries troops.

I'll stick with the Apaches and Cobras using no wasted space.

>>29788563
pilot error, those things can operate far out of rifle range

>>29788586
Then it's all pilot error.

>>29788578
No, Eugene, it's not what they ended with. You however showed that you ended with no knowledge of history whatsoever.
>>29788586
Just as Hind. Too bad real life is not a video game. It's not an error if it happens all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9pQrrkl6yc

>>29788305

>You're already getting something better, Apaches.

Source? Btw, I'd rather Tigers over Vipers

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i like the mi35 ah2 sabre in brazilian colors

>>29788514
You expect too much from slavs. Their butthurt knows no bounds.

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>>29788651
>American on being butthurt
Sorry, USA #1.
>The Americans wished to humiliate the Marxists, and send them out of Afghanistan "clinging to their helicopters", and thus avenge the fall of South Vietnam.

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>>29788634
Didn't know Brazil has Hinds.

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>>29788112
Slightly bigger than AH-64A, Faster, better armored and better armed.. Hind is superior to AH-64A and probably even compared against AH-64D.

>>29788091
What the fuck is that ugly pile of, soon to be shot down, pile of shit?

>looks like a blind, drunk slovnigger built it.

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>>29788763
>Hind
>Ugly
No need to be upset.

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>>29788618
Have the Tigers reached FOC yet? Been what.. 10+ years?

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>>29788868
>Kangaroo UAV

>>29788868
I hate aussies so much

>>29788896

eat a dick cunt

>>29788787
but it's so ugly

can't you bring in an interior designer?

>needs more crown molding

>>29788935
#notallaussies

>>29788763
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder my friend. I personally find them appealing yet I do understand why some people would them ugly.

The same reason I prefer AK over AR when it comes to aesthetics. It's the kind of crude beauty of non-nonsense.

>>29788665
And then the Soviet Union collapsed.

>>29788618
Euro aircraft with yank avionics, took 10 years to get into service and now the army is trying to get rid of them asap.

>>29788609
Russian helicopters literally having a doctrine of flying, low and slow, directly over enemy positions is not pilot error. That's Hinds being unable to hover and carry payload.

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>>29788339
>Iran Iraq War, Helicopter dogfight
>Mi-24s kicked the shit out of Cobras

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>>29789215

>6 Hinds lost in small battles against Iranian trained pilot cobras.
>Hinds were only successful in teams and were still shit tank killers
>"yeah comrade they fought wide scale battles"

Ivan, I thought I told you to shut up.

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>>29789326
>Damage control
Smells like hohol spirit.

>>29789326
>"Sherman was a shit tank" the post.

>>29789344

>still attempting to defend your bulky troop transport chopper

Hinds are bulky shit. Supercobras and Apaches will always be the premier attack chopper. Learn to make something dedicated. Let's see your hinds go up against a squad of either and they'll be more smoking slav waste like your KVs back on the eastern front.

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>>29784744
>best attack helicopter in the world

It's not even the best attack helicopter in the US military

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>>29789404
>Still in damage control
Yep, definitely smells like hohol spirit.

>>29788103
If the pilots are on the outside... Then whose flying the p

>>29789418

I don't see what spamming hind-quarter pics is supposed to do? Is it typical slavboo shitposting tactic? Hinds literally are second rate compared to Super Cobras and Apaches. The Super Cobra isn't even our best.

But enjoy transporting troops that will just get shot down and make you lost 5 men instead of 2.

>But we only can transport 3 troops this time.

fucking hell.... are you trolling me?

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>>29789449
Keep that damage control up, Mykola.

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>>29789470

Whatever you say untermensch. Enjoy your Air-KV1.

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>>29789502
Seems like damage control didn't help much, Mykola is of broken.

>>29789514

>Comrade, I have good idea for attach chopper like the Americans. You see all the left over KVs we have? We place rotors on them and missile pods on the side. Then we let them take off.

>>29789017
>And then the Soviet Union collapsed.
That's the price you pay for ridding the marxist elements from your society. hope it doesn't come to that for the west.
>>29789404
attack helos aren't meant to take on other attack helos though. What's important is if they provide good fire support for the troops down there and both achieve them in different ways. The former by firing more munitions and performing more aggressive and therefore effective attacks unburdened by troops whilst the latter give effective reinforcements in men or materials.
And no, the Mi-24 actually carries troops whilst its loaded for a fire support mission. Its afaik only in Afghanistan with its hot and high conditions that underpower the engines making the helo sluggish and slower and therefore a lot more vulnerable that necessitate the removal of excess weight like the cargo armor and troops wehn operating.

>>29784744
How feasible are air-to-air missiles on an attack helicopter? Are they for primarily intended for engaging other helicopters or for defense against jets? How common are engagements against other aircraft for attack helicopters?

>>29789917
They're perfectly feasible. They primarily exist to shoot down enemy helicopters, but could be used against planes if they needed to. With them, a helicopter has a CHANCE of killing the plane, however the plane likely has the advantage there. It's mostly self-defense in that case. I will say that a properly flown helicopter could be a bitch to shoot down, providing there was suitable terrain.

There are very few records of helicopters being shot down by other aircraft, but it has happened. I seem to recall that there were a handful of helicopter-on-helicopter battles in the Iran-Iraq War, but can't remember much of anything about them.

>>29788333
Wait are the rocket pods on those backwards? What the literal fuck

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>>29789538
Mykola, this is serious condition. I suggest taking your meds immediately.
>>29790213
Those are fuel tanks. You can see one closer at this pic >>29788345

>>29790213
Speed boost.

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>>29790337
Unguided rockets are in empty cylinders, they are physically incapable of affecting vehicle speed in any significant way when fired. Now the gun on the other hand...

>>29790318
You know, with some 22" rims and a little crown molding ... that fucker would look better.

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>>29790834
So South-African Superhind then? Nah, it looks like shit.

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honestly the tiger is pretty impressive.

its light as fuck, it has outstanding optical sensors, it has the most modern datalink systems, its probably the best scouting helicopter in the world and it can also destroy tanks and people.

Its just very ugly.

>>29788234
A lot of helicopters can't

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>>29791708
>its probably the best scouting helicopter
Does it have any advantages over Ka-52?

>>29788701
What is avionics the post

>>29789415
>implying the Apache is good
>Implying they're not down for maintenance 80% of the time

>>29791817
well for starters it weighs half as much with all the advantages that come from that.

Also the placement of the optics on top of the rotor on the eurocopter is pretty smart, it doesnt have to expose itself when peeking over cover, no other chopper i know of has this.

>>29788091
>avionics package of a potato
nice try u savage

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>>29791885
Fair enough.
>no other chopper i know of has this
AH-64D and Mi-28N.

>>29788617
Who is Eugene?

>>29788189
kek, looks like a guy chasing a dog out of his garden

>Get! And don't come back!

>>29791365
Maybe with the "Special K" paint job?

>as featured in 'Jet' magazine

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I think ya'll need to meet Airwolf!

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>>29792822
>tfw Airwolf could have been real.

>>29792427
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eugene

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>>29784744
Give the chinks a chance y'all

>>29792190
does that helicopter have a bayonet?

>>29791862
>Implying they're not down for maintenance 80% of the time

>Implying US doesn't buy x5 more Apaches then they really need to make up for it

>>29784744
H'what? That's not an A-10!

>>29790419
The story about them putting that cannon on the hind is hilarious.

>>29791885
>well for starters it weighs half as much with all the advantages that come from that.
And all the disadvantages as well. It can't carry a powerful radar (Arbalet for the Ka-52 is a monster in its class) nor can it ever carry drones- which are arguably the most important capability addition for attack helos just begging to be integrated.

>Also the placement of the optics on top of the rotor on the eurocopter is pretty smart, it doesnt have to expose itself when peeking over cover, no other chopper i know of has this.
Like the other anon just said, the Apache does it too, and maybe the Mi-28NM whenever it shows itself and more importantly its with a radar.
Compared to the two's mast-mounted radar, however, the optics are disadvantaged in that scanning and id'ing is all manual and clumsy and slow. The WSO could've just spotted a tank whilst the automated radar scanning routine detected the whole battalion.
Also doesn't help that optics are generally lower in range compared to radar and are more susceptible to atmospheric effects as well. Of course optics are entirely passive however so it offers completely stealthy detection and identification of targets provided you don't lase em first.

>>29793100

In other words, a slav. Hence them compensating by making troop carrier CAS.

>>29792190
wtf this helicopter has a bayonet

>>29792190

That's a radar not an optics suit.

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>>29794632
You mean the tail gun? Yeah, shit's hilarious as fuck.

>>29788515
that does this say?

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>>29796430
"Good morning, RUSSIA. Welcome. You are our friends and our brothers. THANK YOU".

>>29794705
pretty sure those radar detect jack shit if the target isnt moving (doppler effect and all) and they are of course a big fat target for any passive sensors which isnt what scouting is about.

They focussed entirely on passive optical sensors with the eurocopter for a reason and no spotting with those isnt entirely manual as electronics these days are pretty good at finding heat-signatures worth looking at for the pilot.

>>29791849
What is cost-effectiveness ratio post

>>29798660
I bet they saw right through that shit and firebombed his ass

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>>29798669
>pretty sure those radar detect jack shit if the target isnt moving

>Mode "air-surface"

Field of view in azimuth - 120 degrees
Range Mapping - up to 32 km
Detection range of ground targets:
- The type of "bridge" - 25 km
- "Tank" - 12 km
RMS measurement of coordinates:
- Azimuth - 12 arcmin
- Elevation - 17 arcmin
- Distance - 20 m
Detection range of ground obstacles and determine the terrain:
- Wire transmission lines - 0.4 km
- Terrain that slopes more than 10 degrees - 1.5 km
Support on the aisle - 20 targets

>"Air-air" mode

Field of View (detection)
- Azimuth - 360 degrees
- Elevation angle - + -30 tegral
Zone precise direction finding
- Azimuth - + -60 degrees
- Elevation angle - + -30 degrees
Detection range of aerial targets
- The type of "attack" - 15 km
- Such as "Stinger" missiles attacking - 5 km
Time Detection SD target type "Stinger" - 0.5 s
Support on the aisle - 20 targets

>>29788701

>Faster

not with armament and compartment of troops it isnt

>better armoured

doubt.jpg

>better armed

now you're just fucking with me

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>>29798738
>better armoured
>doubt.jpg
It's you who are fucking with us.

To butt into the Mi-24 bashing: in sandboxland the cool part of the troop compartement is that it wasn't loaded with troops in combat, was escording Mi-8s that were instead. means they could remove troop armor, put rockets in troop compartement. shoot rockets, land somewhere close but safe, reload, rinse, repeat.

>>29791885
How the fuck do you not know about the Kiowa? I mean god fucking damn.

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So I came here to see Supercobras. Instead all I got were some shit smelling snaggle toothed Ruskie faggots shitposting about hind buckets.

fuck you /k/

>>29794705
>nor can it ever carry drones- which are arguably the most important capability addition for attack helos just begging to be integrated.
Why? Attack helos are known neither for range nor for carrying capacity, let alone both. Why the fuck would you want to launch drones from an attack helo? You wouldn't even leave room for ordnance so it might as well not be an attack helo. Fuck.

>>29791708

Unfortunately it has small ammo capacity, smaller payload and shit tier reliability/spares management while also costing a WTF amount of money.

Those "outstanding sensors" also completely neglect a mast radar on most of the models.

>>29798779
Not even Marines can be bothered to give a fuck about the Supercobras. Maybe when brass decides to finally spend money developing and acquiring it instead of shitting out million dollar ads and promos it'll actually become relevant.

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>>29798738
>now you're just fucking with me
Actually, he is kinda right. AH-64 main weapon is Hellfire missile. This is masterpiece of weapon technology, no discussions here, Soviets and Russians don't have anything like that. But it is very expensive missile for very expensive targets. Which is rare thing on battlefields of our days. When it comes to standard missions, Russians laser guided missiles are more cheap and universal that Hellfire, Russian unguided missile are more powerful than Hydra 70s and guns on Mi-24P/VP&35 family are better than M230.

>>29789415
it took me a while but that frontal view really illustrates how brutal the design of the apache is

it's like something out of 40k, edges that don't seem aero-dynamic, rough thick stubby wings, and weapons mounted everywhere

>>29788283
I love that twin barrel. The ROF is so pleasing as well. LV 30mm can go fuck itself.

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>>29799307
What's wrong with 30 mm?

>>29799554
LV is the problem

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>>29799628
Wut? 940 m/s is low velocity?

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>>29788896

I hate them for failing to militarize their funnel web spiders. That's unforgivable.

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>>29788671
It doesnt look as ugly with a fresh coat of freedom on it.

Maybe you slavs should try that on your whole country!

>>29788305
I was talking to an Aussie Tiger pilot at work the other day and he said the Tigers were fine. He was surprised when I asked him if they were shit.

>>29798786
>Why? Attack helos are known neither for range nor for carrying capacity, let alone both.
#notallhelos
>Why the fuck would you want to launch drones from an attack helo?
myriads of reasons, most obvious is to recon more ground than possible with just 1 aircraft and of course to recon in dangerous areas.
>You wouldn't even leave room for ordnance so it might as well not be an attack helo. Fuck.
What kind of third world shithole do you live in that can only afford to send 1 helo per mission? Typically you have a pair at the least with 4-8 being the more common grouping when doing strike/recon.
>>29799307
>LV 30mm can go fuck itself.
It actually makes more sense to shoot rounds that aren't that fast. There is no way you can shoot APFSDS ammo worth shit with 30 mm calibre autocannon on a helo so the extra velocity point is just moot.

>>29794546
>Implying us helos dont have more hrs of op than every other country.

Use requires maintenance.

Unlike just leaving them in a hanger till the hanger falls down.

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>>29799790
>here is no way you can shoot APFSDS ammo worth shit with 30 mm calibre autocannon on a helo
Hello, I'm a 30 mm APDS round, I have Mach 3.2 muzzle velocity and shit on 33 mm of RHA at 60 degrees from 500 m away. What are you guys even talking about?

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hipster faggots

you know you can't compete with a ridiculous amount of ammo capacity, lift weight, flight ceiling and god tier sensors.

and oh, 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND SUCCESS

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>>29799554
Too powerful.

>>29799146
>unguided rockets
They're not as big, but just as good. Especially given that they can be 1:1 APKWS, which shits on absolutely everything the Russians have.

And the gun bit is absolute bullshit.

>>29799999
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>>29800423
>APKWS
Ersatz of normal laser guided missiles. Payload with size of Kinder surprise. When Russians can use 122mm S-13 rockets and ground city blocks.
>And the gun bit is absolute bullshit.
M230 is absolute bullshit, indeed. Muzzle velocity of potato cannon is a price for small weight.

>>29800285
>40 years old chopper
there's your problem

>>29798679

the most expensive part of an attack helicopter are the 2 pilots inside.

Unless you want them to be Arab tier, you want them well trained, which means lots of hours. By the time they get into combat, they should have a couple hundred hours each at least, in addition to the classes and schooling.

Then you want to put them into a helicopter with basically zero avionics and get blown out of the sky in the first hours of operations because their helicopter doesn't have missile warning systems.

perfect slav logic, save a hundred thousand dollars on the helicopter so you than throw away some million dollar pilots.

>>29800987

M230 also has the best swivel out of it and the GSH-30-2, which is pretty important if you want to engage targets rapidly. Instead of turning the whole helicopter, the gunner just looks at something and there it is.

US doctrine is to engage tanks and vehicles with hellfires, the 30mm is for infantry/thin-skins only, which doesn't need MV or penetration.

>>29799681
You know that wasn't the fun I was talking about, faggot.

Try mounting that gun on a turret, see how you'll fare.

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>>29801104
>what is the ah64 E model
>implying hinds aren't 40 years old
It's like you're not even trying. Besides, when did old become synonymous with bad

>>29800987
>Ersatz of normal laser guided missiles.
Not at all. They're something else entirely. There are laser guided Hellfires if you want something bigger than a 70mm rocket. But here's the thing- you don't need anything larger in the vast majority of cases. In particular, this 122mm rockets are idiotic, as they aren't as good as you make them out to be, and you can only carry a handful of them. Only 5 of them per pylon. That leads to a maximum of 20 admittedly large rockets. The Apache could carry 76 APKWS rockets if it so desired. That's a whole lot of firepower that can be put exactly where it's wanted. Even assuming every rocket kills only one man, you're destroying the better part of a platoon with only one launcher full of them.

As to the topic of the gun, the muzzle velocity of the HEDP ammunition is only slightly less than that of the 2A42 used in the Mi-28. Then, when you compare ammunition carried, you find something very interesting. The Mi-28 carries a grand total of 250 rounds of ammunition. The Apache carries 1,200. Even assuming that 2 rounds out of the 2A42 are worth one out of the M230 (they aren't), you see just how much more ammunition the Apache carries.

In short, I've been baited and have bitten it anyways. What a terrible person I am.

>>29799790
>What kind of third world shithole do you live in that can only afford to send 1 helo per mission?
Then why the fuck would you mount it on the attack helo and not a dedicated drone helo you dumb fuck?

>most obvious is to recon more ground
Then use a fucking recon helicopter instead of wasting an attack helo for it.

You're talking about using literally some of the most expensive military hardware to exist to do something any other helo could do and some much more effectively to boot.

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>>29801180
So you are saying that US doctrine includes having to engage IFVs from 500m away instead of 1500m because reasons?

>>29788112
Its actually really fast

>>29799761
Wait what Coast Guard Hinds? What???!?!?

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>>29801142
>the most expensive part of an attack helicopter are the 2 pilots inside.
That's why Apache gunner can be hit with 7.62.

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>>29801200
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, faggot. And what exactly is your problem with mounting 30mm gun on a turret?

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>>29801250
Late 80s Soviet film.

>>29801348
You realize that the cockpit is armored, right?

>>29801348
Any pilot in any aircraft can be hit with 7.62.

>>29801469
?
modern choppers are armored vs small arms

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>>29801469
A U sure?

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What about this thing /k/?

I'm not that well versed on performance but in my eyes it is very good looking.

How does it hold up against the Cobra and Apache?

>>29801469
You don't say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbT-rvZoh_g

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>>29801469
laughinghavoc.jpg

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>>29788665

>>29801493
Not well, it's a single seat heli that's more meant to be a tank killer than an CAS heli.

It's not nearly as capable as a Apache or Cobra.

>>29801520
>armored doors with low vis

And that is why you fail Russia, no wonder the MI-28s drive shaft keeps breaking.

>>29801493
Ka-52 is better in all ways. Also, Ka-52 is better than Mi-28 too.

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>>29801493
It's long out of production and irrelevant. Ka-52 is the one you want to know about. And yes, it's good.

>>29801520
>magic bullet hits canopy and head of pilot
I don't think so tim

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>>29801694
>Drive me closer, I want to hit him with my sword

>>29801732
It must really be a magic bullet then, since the canopy of Mi-28 can withstand 12.7 hits repeatedly.

>>29801765
Nyet

>>29801734
Russian army doesn't have Mi-28N machines with radars yet. Iraq and others bought Mi-28NE models with radar, Russian army still testing theirs. Ka-52 has radar from the box, btw.

>>29801874
The 52 is better than the Mi28 honestly.

>>29801765
b-back d-dat fact up

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>>29801853
Dat. The video is just a couple posts above, no need to shitpost.
>>29801874
Doesn't disprove anything. And I suppose Iraq also bought T-72B3 while they were at it?

>>29801935
7.62 isn't a .50 round anon.

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What about Erdogan copter?

>>29801983
Terribly Turkish

>>29801983
That's like the helicopter version of the short bus...

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>>29801892
Youtube link above, 1:43 and 2:30.
>>29801970
Why are you shitposting? It literally says "12.7" in the video.

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>>29801983
>Erdogan copter
Cancelled joint Russia-Israeli Ka-50 modification was called Erdogan. The more you know.

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>>29788091
>>29788160
>>29788189
>>29788333
>>29788345
>>29788495
>>29788515
>>29788563
>>29788701
>>29788787
>>29789344
>>29789418
>>29789470
>>29789514
>>29790318
>>29790419

>>29801935
It either Mi-28NE for Iraq or other country, or promo-photo with test model of Mi-28NM, which is not in service yet. No country designation on helicopter is for 2nd theory.

>>29802034
And it's literally wrong, stop calling shitposting when you know that's not a .50 round.

>>29800285
>ridiculous amount of ammo capacity
Yeah that's why it gets field modifications to fit extra fuel tanks at the expense of reducing ammo capacity to 300rnds.

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>>29802141
Are you mentally challenged? It says "12.7" on both occasions at 1:43 and 2:30. What's the point of such blatant shitposting?

>>29801983
>Erdogan copter?

Where do they keep the pleasure goats?

>>29802125
Might be, KRET says they will finish N025 soon. Last time I heard anything about it was like 2 years ago when they were about to put it in service, IIRC. I suppose they decided to continue the development to jump to NM version right away.
http://kret.com/en/news/3966/
Still, doesn't refute my point.

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>>29792904
mfw we cancelled this

>>29802034
But its no 12.7 coz its 14.5 KPV on 1.49 here>>29801501

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>>29802345
>"Bтopoй выcтpeл бpoнeбoйнoй пyлeй кaлибpa двeнaдцaть и ceмь"
>its 14.5 KPV

>>29802404
Этo нa 1.30 вpoдe. Пoтoм oн гoвopит пpo "3-гpaммoвый ocкoлoк (лeл)", кoтopый пoчeмy-тo выcтpeливaют из кпв. Этo вooбщe кaк пoнимaть тo? Пoдкaлибepoв вpoдe нe зaвoзили.

>>29791708
it can also survive EMP attacks.

>>29802481
Ha 1:30 вcё eщё пoкaзывaют пocлeдcтвия пoпaдaния 7.62. Ha 1:43 яcнo и чёткo гoвopитcя пpo 12.7, пocлe чeгo cлeдyeт выcтpeл. КПB пoкaзывaют yжe пocлe.

>>29802522
That movie was bad

>>29802568
no it wasn't it was literally the best bond film of the past 30 years.

>mfw I was going to post 20 years

>>29802562
Пoхoжe y нac тaйминги cбиты, лaднo, этo нeвaжнo. Ho чтo кoнкpeтнo пo кпв? Этo вeдь был пpoвepкa нa ycтoйчивocть к ocкoлкaм 20мм cнapядoв, эти caмыe 3 гpaммa? Кoнeчнo вecьмa coмнитeльнo чтo кaбинa мoглa бы выдepжaть 14.5 бpoнeбoй, нo чтo oн тoгдa тaм дeлaeт? Eгo хpeнью лeвoй зapяжaют чтoли, типa шpaпнeльки?

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>>29802657
Moжeт быть, я чepeз пpoкcифpи cмoтpю - видeo зa мyзыкy зaбaнили, лoл.
Пo КПB нe знaю. Ecли гoвopитcя пpo ocкoлoк, тo вoзмoжнo дeйcтвитeльнo кaким-тo oбpaзoм имитиpyют пoпaдaниe ocкoлкa. Cкopee вceгo имитиpyют энepгию ocкoлкa пocpeтcтвoм cпeциaльнoгo 14.5 пaтpoнa, я тaк дyмaю.

>>29802206
What's your point? For modern theaters 300 rounds is more than enough and extended range or station time is more important.

>>29789986
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-CATCH

>>29802749
It's funny you burgers bitched that mi-28 has such low ammo capacity with it's 300 rounds.

>>29802875
Mi-28 compensates it with 30×165 ammunition and higher muzzle velocity, while Apache is stuck with its same old shitty M230 with 30x113.

>>29802875
Not that guy but that doesn't negate the fact that the apache was designed to carry 1200 rounds and the mi28 only 300.

>>29802936
The fuck you say? M230 is a solid AWS and the M789 is more than capable of piercing older soviet armor.

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>>29802936
>mfw ivan gets this butthurt

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>>29803263
>805 m/s
>25mm RHA@50° at 500m

>>29803321
You're arguing semantics because why wouldn't you use your armament that's actually designed for armor instead of materiel/personnel?

>>29803432
>Potato cannon muzzle velocity
>Has co come at AK effective firing range or closer to penetrate anything
>You're arguing semantics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_automatic_cannon_2A42#Ammunition

>>29803558
What the fuck is your point? That it can't penetrate a tank? Why would you fly close enough to use your anti personnel weapon instead of using max standoff and firing a missile or rockets to destroy armor?

>>29803632
My point is that 2A42 is a much more capable gun with much more capable ammo than the M230, which from what that anon above said is to lose even its questionable ammo capacity advantage.

>>29803712
>muh combat record

>>29789151
>flying, low and slow
your post is shit bait and your parents are disappointed

>>29789449
It's funny because you're describing tactics practically never used while being unable to argue on any real points. Basically the result of knowing nothing about helicopters and arguing for the sake of arguing on shallow points. You should stop posting and read a fucking book. I don't even like the Mil Mi-24 design all that much but youre a fucking idiot from front to back

>>29789608
>And no, the Mi-24 actually carries troops whilst its loaded for a fire support mission
and no not part of mi 24 tactics since it was found to be useless in the 80s.

>>29803815

Vlad, here's some ointment to sooth that sore asshole of yours. You just admitted you never used the piece of shit for what they had in mind for the design. You made a CAS that could carry troops for no damn good reason. They even lowered the troop capacity later on because they realized it was for no good reason.

Meanwhile you and other slavshits have just turned a decent supercobra thread into another "look at me I'm slavic" shit fest.

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>>29803891
>He still didn't take his meds

>>29789436
The Machine Spirit heretic.

Obviously.

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>>29804078

Leave the shitposting to professionals like the Aussies. As for you, go back to your Putin circle jerks.

>>29803076
>theory
>vs
>practice
In theory you work in the service industry but in reality you're a cock sucker

Just gonna leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RczvoPKJVw0

>>29803891
>>29803891
lol no one discussed the ShitCobra you want to shill for a single post. Stay mad that the apache is a much more capable helicopter and will always be while the AH-1 will die away without a memory

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>>29804123
You should visit a doctor. This is serious condition that requires medical treatment.

>>29804171
Desert storm they carried 1200. Then the robby was invented and they realized 1200 was overkill and carrying additional fuel was more prudent. Fuck thyself.

>>29804185

When the fuck did I shill post? Because I dared said one of your slavshit machines had a short coming and it made you go apeshit, I'm shill posting? Know what the fucking term means vlad before you say it.

And also I OPENLY, OPENLY, feel the Apache is far superior to the Supercobra. But there's more stuff that goes into a Supercobra than just it's wang. It has a history and conservation of funds. For example: The Marines would use the Supercobra because of it's interchangeable parts with it's Hueys. While a Supercobra isn't an Apache, the Marines know how to use what they have to it's fullest extent.

>>29804204
You mean having a large dick? Why would I want medical treatment for that? I don't want to be russian.

>>29802845
There was enough wrong with the study that your blind reference to it without a hint of critical thinking merely makes you an idiot.

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>>29804261
No, I mean having mental issues.

>>29804351

You mean your extreme autism? We know. We see you doing it.

>>29801520
The one time slavs care more about protecting their soldiers than the west does about theirs......

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>>29804380
That's why you should take your meds. Seeing things is a sign of serious metal issue on its own, let alone combined with split personality.

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>>29784744

Fuck all your slavshit. Kiowa wins based on ballsy crews alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXidMT1mhPA

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>>29804457

How much rubles do they pay you to shitpost? Do you get paid by shitpost or by hour?

>>29804426
It makes sense when you consider how the Russians wanted to use their helicopters versus the American way. The Americans wanted to make heavy use of standoff pop-up attacks. The Russians, on the other hand, envisioned strafing runs by multiple helicopters in formation.

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>>29804483
"They" are in your head. Please, tale your meds before it is too late.

>>29804482
LOLOLOLOL KIOWA A SHIT, AMMO OR FUEL, CANT TAKE BOTH, ENJOY YOUR 15 MINUTES OF STATION TIME

>>29804566

The only ruskie I have on my small "head" is your mail order sister. Now I demand to know how much Putin pays you to act like a retard online.

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All this Hind porn is great, keep em coming!

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>>29804640
You have microcephaly? I suppose this explains your behaviour to some extent, but I still suggest you visiting a doctor.

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>>29804483
>look mom, i'm pretending to be an American on the internet so people will hate Americans!

Kill yourself, shlomo.

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>>29804969

You only have one head?

>Russians with no dick

Nothing new there.

>>29805068

Go back to /pol/ and there you can shitpost like a good Ruskie faggot.

>dat pic

Into Turkish men are we slav?

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>>29805356
Once hiroshama nukasaki puts ID ok /k/ this board will be infinitely better.

>>>/pol/

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>>29805356
You are convinced that you have two heads? This is bad, you consciousness regresses faster than expected. I strongly suggest that you take your meds immediately and visit a doctor as soon as possible.

>>29801724

>gun can't rotate

what were they thinking

>>29805415
>>29805462

>anyone who doesn't like mother russia is jidf
>nuh uh I don't belong in /pol/, you belong in /pol/ cuz I stronk russian

/pol/ is a containment board just for your kind of faggotry. Russians/slavboos are horrible posters. They do nothing but flex non-existent muscles, have Putin circle jerks and spam on how slav-shit equipment is the best thing ever.

While /k/, on par with other boards, tends to have mostly witty and intelligent posters, there's always a sect that can't help but to degrade into a joke board.

For the record, I care nothing for Russians (save for their women). When that is the best Russia has to offer, you see why.

I'll leave you now to your next shitpost.

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>>29805526
This is your last chance to end with passive aggressive behaviour and take your meds.

>>29801226

US doctrine presumes there are combined arms in order to fuck up anything without endangering the asset itself.

>>29802206
>Yeah that's why it gets field modifications to fit extra fuel tanks at the expense of reducing ammo capacity to 300rnds.

something it can actually afford to do, you know.

most helicopters call it quits at half the height and distance, it gives a great degree of organic capabilities to an army.

>>29799763
You would too if it were the only helo you flew.

>>29804538

that's because Russians couldn't make sensors to save their lives for a long time, it was all western jewmagic.

so they did the slav thing and decided getting shot at was going to happen and sent them out flying low over chechens flashing their bellies at machineguns.

>>29801223
>Then why the fuck would you mount it on the attack helo and not a dedicated drone helo you dumb fuck?
a dedicated drone helo would cost more than a fucking helo you dumb fuck- the point of drones is that they are disposable you mong.
>Then use a fucking recon helicopter instead of wasting an attack helo for it.
yes. let's introduce yet another line of helos built in small numbers and crewed by expensive pilots in dangerous recon missions when we can just make a drone that out helos can sling instead.
genius.
>>29799998
most AFVs have roofs much better protected than corrugated iron.

>>29806912
>the point of drones is that they are disposable you mong.
No it isn't. The point of drones is that you can keep them in the sky for far longer than a human, and on platforms that a human would not be able to fit on. Why would you throw away an asset?

>>29806992
>No it isn't. The point of drones is that you can keep them in the sky for far longer than a human, and on platforms that a human would not be able to fit on.
most drones aren't predators jackass. similar to shorter loiter times just enough for a recon pass or two over the area is what most envisioned tactical scout drones are required to do.
>Why would you throw away an asset?
>Why are we even going into battle, there is a chance we are just throwing out men and materials for nothing?
the straws people grasp on...

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>>29804811

>>29788563
>12.7x108
ya thats .50 dumbass

>>29806653
>US doctrine presumes there are combined arms in order to fuck up anything without endangering the asset itself.
All the jets on 5-minute call, m270s on standby from 50 miles out, abrams and bradleys in the vicinity won't help you when a shilka comes spewing out hundreds of 23 mm rounds in the few seconds it pops up from your face 500 m away.
>>29805526
>For the record, I care nothing for Russians (save for their women).
thats good because they don't care about you either.

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>>29807248

>thats good because they don't care about you either.

NO...please...anything but that.

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>>29784744

I always assumed that the Hind was some kind of super long-range helicopter but it turns about the Apache has much better range.

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>>29799848

No, seriously, the apache breaks down all the time. They -are- hangar queens.

Source: AVI tech

>>29806912
>a dedicated drone helo would cost more than a fucking helo
I assume you meant attack helo and the answer is no it would not. It would be orders of magnitude cheaper because it wouldn't need to all the shit an attack helo otherwise needs.

>let's introduce yet another line of helos built in small numbers
You can reconfigure any general utility helo to launch drones at least as well as an attack helo if not better simply because they're built for capacity.

Even if you make a drone that you launch as a missile it still would be more valuable on any other helo than an attack helo simply because the latter is much more likely to actually fight. Why waste slots/hardpoints on an attack helo when you have helos that were never going to fight anyways.

>the straws people grasp on...

>>29807248
>All the jets on 5-minute call, m270s on standby from 50 miles out, abrams and bradleys in the vicinity won't help you when a shilka comes spewing out hundreds of 23 mm rounds in the few seconds it pops up from your face 500 m away.

I'm pretty sure US doctrine expects to things to get shot down from time to time. The real issue is, how many Surprise Shilkas can Not Soviet Union reliably expect to field in real combat?

One or two? Not a problem. Each one bags a helo, and then gets arty spammed or whatever. Several dozen? Let's see the doctrine for that. Enough to deny an airspace? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, anon.

>>29807114
>most drones aren't predators jackass. similar to shorter loiter times just enough for a recon pass or two over the area is what most envisioned tactical scout drones are required to do.
There are two basic kinds of drones- the large, long loiter types and the small tactical versions. If you noticed I mentioned both. And the tactical versions generally have more time in the air than that, at the moment anyways.

As for throwing away assets, that's something you'd never do. You don't throw them away needlessly, you try to preserve them. The lack of a human inside doesn't change this. The effect is still the same regardless of that fact- you've lost your eye in the sky. As such, it's something you want to avoid.

>>29807304

if you think the Apache is a maintenance queen you haven't fiddled with most other airframes.

for all the shit an Apache has that a Blackhawk doesn't, it's not that far off.

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>>29792904
Why even live, anon

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>>29807673

>>29807775
>come in for a hard landing
>entire back end of helicopter snaps off
>blades dip down into canopy and decapitate crew

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>>29807775

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>>29807801
The design was bretty sound after rigorous testing, anon. They managed to iron out any bugs and kinks early on. The main reason it was cancelled was bcos the brass intervened.
Then again, the only source I got this from was the hour-long AH-56 documentary on youtube. I definitely recomend seeing it.

>>29807775
it looks like someone took the cockpit of a bronco and taped it to the body of a cobra, then added a phantom rear fin.
which isn't bad at all.

>>29807238
.50 is 12.7×99.

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>>29806753
Which "sensors" are you talking about in particular?

>>29806753
Moreso they had very different strategies in mind. Soviets were on the attack. Western helicopters were ambushing.

>>29801399
That says US coast Guard? Doesn't it?

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>>29810909
Yep.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103321/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffw9eqTVHaE

>>29807848

The Cheyenne prototype had a nasty crash that delayed the program long enough that it shot up costs and they couldn't convince the brass. Kinda like the S-67 except Lockheed wasn't trying to sell to foreign countries first.

Real shame, they were wonderful aircraft.

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>>29810975
Yummy other Blackhawk.

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>>29811027

reminder that apache isnt an attack helicopter

>>29811029
>>29811027

IT WAS SO PRETTY

IT'S NOT FAIR

>>29805654
For Christ sakes, put some crown molding on that hideous death trap.
It would be glorious comrade

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>>29811216
Is that supposed to mean anything?

>>29811252
Now you're talkin Vlad.
My Hind trap o death will have that beautiful crown molding and mohogony cabinets where I can store my Cover Girl make-up

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>>29811664
Are you high?

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Only one thing is better than Hind. Space Hind.

>>29807414
>I'm pretty sure US doctrine expects to things to get shot down from time to time. The real issue is, how many Surprise Shilkas can Not Soviet Union reliably expect to field in real combat?
Its doesn't even have to be a Shilka ffs. Anything from small arms fire to BMP-2's 30mm cannon can engage at those ranges. Plus a MANPAD is practically a death sentence at this range- not enough time to react even if the MAWS alerted you- and not a lot of helos even have those.

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>>29811694
Yeah, in the sky high

I'm Chanooking my Hind end to the custom cabinet maker now.

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>>29811042
:(

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>>29812424
;_;

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>>29812437

>>29807308
>I assume you meant attack helo and the answer is no it would not. It would be orders of magnitude cheaper because it wouldn't need to all the shit an attack helo otherwise needs.
that's a dishonest assumption if I ever see one.
Just compare a Fire Scout to the Bell 407 its based- easily costs a couple times more and they just what- replaced the avionics for unmanned operation.
>You can reconfigure any general utility helo to launch drones at least as well as an attack helo if not better simply because they're built for capacity.
You can also easily reconfigure such helicopters to mount dozens of hellfires to enable the helo to act as an atgm carrier- except why hadn't anybody done this?
>Even if you make a drone that you launch as a missile it still would be more valuable on any other helo than an attack helo simply because the latter is much more likely to actually fight. Why waste slots/hardpoints on an attack helo when you have helos that were never going to fight anyways.
great idea. let's attach another helo that can't even fight back, another liability for everyone involved.
Besides hardly anybody would notice a pylon or two worth or atgms missing, unless again you only had 1-2 helos in the sky that time.
What they would notice more are entire grids being erased from the map after they were called upon by the drone/s which btw most actually have problems detecting let alone engaging due to their small size.

>>29806753
>>29804538
daily reminder that the standoff pop-up attacks were only made possible with the arrival of the Longbow variant- a post cold war development.
Before that, nose-mounted sensors, maneuverability to enable nap of the earth flying, huge amounts of 30 mm ammo, and SACLOS hellfire - its as well equipped to do strafing runs a la Mi-28.

does anyone know where i can get hind manuals?

>>29811031
Kek what autistic name do you use for it then

>>29807238
>actually confusing 12.7x108R with .50BMG aka 12.7x99

Just. Leave.

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>>29812350
Take your meds, ameriboo.

>>29810579
>>29812666
ya .50 aka half an inch is 12.7 millimeter
dipshits

>>29812614
That's a blatant lie. They were certainly aided by the longbow radar, but the tactic was in use well before it. In fact, the radar was developed specifically to make this more viable.

>>29812679
Can't take meds and conceal carry my FIM-92 comrade.

>>29784744
>303
I worked on that exact helicopter pictured

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>>29812966
Feel free to drop your FIM-92 then, it's not like it is on any use.

>>29812739
And nobody calls russian 12.7x108 .50 except fucking clueless retards that need to FUCKING LEAVE.

>>29812614

The NOE, pop up attacks were used all the way back in Grenada and were literally the first move in desert stotm. No Longbows were available there

>>29813113
LOL

one word

mujahedeen

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>>29813615
Lol, 1.5 million dead towelhead apes. Get #rekt.

>>29813693
No need to be upset comrade.

just a little sting/er

>>29813741
They were very ineffective against IR-jammers back then.

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>>29813741
Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of FIM-92 being ineffective piece of shit.

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What was that?

Why does this thread have more than 290 replies

>>29813847
The sound of the garbage dump

>>29813813
But
using mujahedeen for testing purposes, they improved.

>>29813855
Because we love memes

>>29813847
Overcomplicated money laundering demonstrator?

>>29801211
Absolutely shit on him, to where he didnt bother responding.

Good show.

>>29813844
Shitposting wont bring your 370 pilots back, anon..

>>29787507
what's wrong with the tiger ?

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>>29801211
>the muzzle velocity of the HEDP ammunition is only slightly less than that of the 2A42
>Slightly
Tip top kekkity kek.
>Even assuming that 2 rounds out of the 2A42 are worth one out of the M230 (they aren't)
You're right, they don't worth two M230 rounds, they worth much more, since they allow engaging same targets from THRICE the range. M230 is pathetic and so is its ammunition.

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>>29814009
Sorry, I was busy laughing my ass off, did you dust imply Shitinger downed 185 Hinds?

>>29814096
no one said that Vlad

>>29814052
>Shilling this hard

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>>29814192
>Damage control
Just let it go, Eugene.

>>29814252
Mi35 in Afgabistan?

Those things got blistered britty gud

Should have used your Chinocks to drop your barrel bombs.

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>>29814558
No need to get all salty, Eugene.

>>29814558
>Those things got blistered britty gud
By DSHKs. They did most kills, not manpads. And not small arms fireб like in Vietnam. Soviet's just couldn't afford losing of 5,086 helicopters out of 11,827 deployed, like US did in Nam. They could not even build that number of machines.

>>29814052
>Tip top kekkity kek.

The ammo listed has a much higher velocity than normal 2A42 rounds, and has less range (1,500 meters) compared to HEDP 30mm from the M230 (2,000 meters) with less armor pen (25mm RHA for the APDS and 50mm RHA for the HEDP)

Typical muzzle velocity is about 100m/s less, both have an effective fireing range out to 4k.

>source for HEDP pen

http://www.google.com/patents/US8151709

The rest is easy enough to find.

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>>29814708
>He just keeps trying
Try harder. 3UBR8 has the penetration of HEDP from thrice the range and muzzle velocity exceeding that of HEDP by more than 300 m/s. M230 is a potato cannon, compared to 2A42. Stay mad.
https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/30mm/docs/LW30mm_Fact_Sheet.pdf

>>29814840
>3UBR8 has the penetration of HEDP from thrice the range and muzzle velocity exceeding that of HEDP by more than 300 m/s.

HEDP uses a shaped charge and will have consistent penetration across its entire flight profile. (0-4k meters)

The figure listed it at 50 degrees angle, hence why it is ~half.

>>29814840
3UBR8 is not used from helicopters, it's a sabot round. Instead, you should be 3UOF8, which has a muzzle velocity of 900 odd m/s, only 100 m/s more than M789. M789 has better range despite this fact, because 2A42 can't into accuracy.

So yeah, when you try to shill and bait, please do it from a learned perspective

>>29814609
Did I hit a nerve Vlad?

sorry about that

Now go install your crown molding and check out some nice cabinetry to improve the appearance of that hinny

>>29814890
>900 odd m/s
960m\s
You can use any shell you want. Buyer choice.

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>>29814888
Sure, must be the reason they specifically pointed out 500m range. Oh wait, I know. It's probably because M230 is a potato cannon that can't engage any target beyond that range.
>>29814890
>Lies, 3UBR8 doesn't count!
Keep trying.
>3UOF8, which has a muzzle velocity of 900 odd m/s, only 100 m/s more than M789
Protecting your potato cannon by all means, huh? Pathetic faggot liar, 3UOF8 has muzzle velocity of 960 m/s. But that doesn't really matter because 3UOF8 is a HE fragmentation round, imbecile. So yeah, when you try to shitpost and lie like a complete faggot, please do it elsewhere.