And.......there goes hope of gun law change in Australia. Just

>guns laws actually improving in any developed country, other than America.
There never was hope, /k/omrade.

>>29521894
>>29521935
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. It will take actions to move those shit laws out.

>>29521894
But they said they would the bastards.

I was pumped and ready and they fuck me like this.

>>29521894
On the plus side at least they aren't restricting it further

>>29521973
I would call that the neutral side.

>>29521973
No, don't look for positives in this. Make more noise and harp on louder.

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>>29521973
Don't think they won't. The won't rest until anything that has a trigger and launches a projectile is illegal. They're banning nerf guns man. NERF. GUNS.

>>29521982
>banning Nerf
Really?

>>29522023
The new "high power" ones, yes.

>>29521935
>Days since last mass shooting in Australia

>>29522042
>Years since last mass shooting in Australia
20, because our laws actually work
>Years since last mass shooting in the USA
Probably one happening right now.

>>29522073
Define mass shooting. Because to me, if the kill count doesn't hit double digits that's just a multiple homicide.

>>29522073
>over 14 shootings a night happen in Melbrone but news won't talk about it because Abbos niggers or immigrants are doing it and not the evil Australian natives.

>>29522073
Banning guns from a tiny chunk of shitty dirt in the middle of the ocean that nobody even gives a shit about is manageable. Banning guns from a country flooded with undocumented immigrants from its cartel-controlled neighbor to the south that is rampant with irrepressible crime? Not so manageable, realistically or rationally.

>>29522112
Martial law in the lower states till it's cleared up then. After a strong government force for ~5 year crime will be gone and martial law lifted.
>>29522107
None of them a mass shooting, we've stopped Port Arthur type events and that is what matters. Because 35 people should not die because of one nutter.
>>29522098
Anything on the scale of a school shooting or Port Arthur, which we have had none of since the laws.

>>29522137
35 people would not die if the general population was allowed to carry. Even if the shooter was not deterred by the threat of retaliatory death, he or she would still not have the opportunity to be labelled a mass shooter as the numbers would never reach that level.

>>29522137
>Because 35 people should not die because of one nutter

But 35 people killed by 35 scumbags is completely ok right?

>>29522073
Going off what is classified as a mass shooting in America the shooting at ingleburn is australias latest mass shooting

>>29522158
This. As always, the anti-gun argument is logically ignorant and unrealistic.

>>29522137

And it will come right back once its lifted. Not to mention how fucking awful martial law will be, and all the citizen residents will leave those states in that time.

>PA
>not a false flag

>>29522168

So much this, should have been reported as a mass shooting but Nooooooo. Gun laws totally work guiz.

Also dont forget the Lindt Cafe siege.

>>29522177
Wasnt new Orleans under martial law for a couple of weeks after the levies broke? From my memory that went swimmingly (no pun intended)

>>29522183
It was a literal fucking nightmare.

>>29522183

Buggered if I know mate

Also, lolpun

>>29522137
>martial law

yeeeeeah ausscuck, this is why you're not allowed to have guns

>>29522183
This

Marital law isn't some boogyman that you should fear, it's and effective method of fighting crime and making a population more secure.

None of you guys should worry anyway unless you are breaking the law. If you are doing the right thing there is nothing to fear, only lawbreakers are afraid of martial law.

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>>29522137
The us is 14 times more populated than australia and about 4 times more spread out. The middle of australia is an almost unlivable hellhole and you all mostly live near the coast.

America was also founded with the 2nd amendment as a RIGHT, and has been treated as such since it's inception. IT's not uncommon in ANY area to decide to own a gun. or five.

Further, Australia has about 3.5 million guns. America has over 357million. That's more than 100x the amount.

100x the amount of guns.
4x the inhabited area.
14x the amount of people.
A strong and stout historical base for our gun culture.

Good fucking luck instituting AUS's gun laws on the US. The pushback would be INSANE.

In short, fuck off ausfag.

>>29522198
Everything changes in time, as the old generations die and the nu-male generation raised to hate guns takes over, you will see every gun you own get taken.

>>29522195
Bait as fuck

>>29522235
Isnt it 8 o'clock over in oz now? It should be way past your bed time

>>29522183
It was mainly armed forces going to law abiding citizens houses and confiscating their weapons in a time where you would be most likely to need them. Leaving good people helpless and unarmed for others to come in and loot, rob, assault, murder, rape etc etc

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who really cares anyone

as an ausfag, we live in such a nanny state there is no possibility of repealing any laws, disregarding the fact that the majority of Australians (City people of course) believe that hunting is abhorrent and unjustifiable (lol)

if you want guns, move to NZ. Fuck living in the US for a joke.

>>29522253
Unfortunately even here in NZ the media are pushing a anti gun agenda which is timely as we also have a firearms law enquiry going on. So whilst we are still better its still a fight

>>29522253
But their accents annoy the shit out of me

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>>29522235
>everything changes
>generation raised to hate guns
>all your guns will be gone.

Dude. I live in Texas. TEXAS. Good look uprooting the gun culture in revolver-land. After that get rid of the anti-dinduism. And then the people who illegally own a bunch of NFA crap because "MUH LONE STAR". Austin isn't a city man. It's a containment zone.

Also remember the Alamo and don't step on nature's landmines or piss off any copperheads. They will chase you.

>>29522073
It's worth pointing out that America has quite a few more people than us... and lots of blacks too, so that bumps up the crime rates a fuck ton

>>29522264
Imagine if the reason Australians are at the meeting is so you can have our laws too.

Such a wondrous international shitpost it would be.

>>29522265
>>29522253
Posting shit like this on a US imageboard?

Shit, the US has freed the shit out of countries for less.

Watch yourselves, fuccbois.

>>29522264
Elaborate, please. I'm not aware of what's going on

>>29522265
FUSH AND CHUPS BRO

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>>29522137
>Martial law
>a solution a problem

threat of Martial Law is the reason why America has guns to begin with

>>29522274
Thanks I am going to have nightmares now

>>29522282
We were supposed to have a firearms enquiry in july (I think) but due to a cannabis grower shooting some AOS with a shotgun (not life threatening wounds) it was started earlier (unless they are going to do 2). Media are eating up all the antis propaganda

>>29522279
Please annex us Americans I can't stand this shit anymore it's not just guns. They do this kind of shit with fucking everything.
Unless you want to surf or play generic ball sports there is nothing else here to do

>>29521894
What could you have done to improve gun rights? any limits?

>>29522137
>Anything on the scale of a school shooting or Port Arthur, which we have had none of since the laws.
Tell that to the victim over every assault home invasion and rape.

>>29522158
In his eyes yes it is and its a good thing.

>>29522137
How many people died in mass shootings before Port Arthur?

>>29522198
How does it look broken down comparing individual states to Australia?

>>29522375
Countless:
Hope Forest massacre
Queen Street massacre
Milperra massacre
Hoddle Street massacre
Strathfield massacre
Central Coast massacre
The Kimberley Killer
1993 Cangai siege
Ivan Milat and his adventures.
We are a violent nation that NEEDED gun control

>>29521894
Normally I'm on board worth borzak bit this time he's making claims that don't make sense. The date was an odd one. Any change or leaving the status quo was always going to result in political controversey. Politicians avoid controversy at major events or anniversaries.

No doubt in my mind the police are pushing for lever actions to be made cat c or d. The main reason is the Muslim threat.

The second part is less likely. Australians are hostile to any form of constitutional change, even when they agree with each other. The federal government have no power to legislate on firearms outside importing, exporting and manufacturing. How and why would Abbott have taken on such a challenge given the huge political risk it has.

>>29522107
>abbos
>not native Australians

Damn boy you missed school and life huh?

>>29522399
So you think there is still a chance guns will be talked about?

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>>29522073
>>29522272

>>29522403
I think the police will go away and come back with a new plan. It will probably be based on dodgy statistics and will be kept until an event/accident/incident involving firearms.

That way they can maximise the muh feelings that follow any tragedy.

The police aren't all bad. Just the senior members. They are mostly in bed with the ALP and they hate us because we don't vote for them

>>29522235
You should probably head down to the range some time. In Canada, most benches have 18 to 40 year old butts in them.

>>29522395

We are a violent nation, but gun control is completely the wrong solution.

Maybe trying to fix this ingrained culture of going out and getting in a biffo with random cunts would be a better idea. But, thats too hard for the government and is too confronting and will lose them voters. So instead, its lolguncontrol.

>>29522395
For such a violent nation, Australia is really shitty at fighting wars.

>>29522394
Don't feel like comparing single states to a country. Would take too long. But Texas has more guns and people than Australia.

TX VS AUS
Guns: 22M vs 3.5M
People: 25M vs 23M

I can't find any statistics that hold out the non-gang or dindu related murders to make the murder rate more "true" to Australia. Gang violence and dindu's add quite a bit to the gun violence problem. I rarely hear about law abiding citizens with legally owned weapons suddenly getting gat fever.

>>29522415
This, they'll wait for the next Sydney lindt cafe

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>>29522427

>>29522422
Mate, them emus are tougher than they look alright?

>>29522137
>Martial law in the lower states till it's cleared up then. After a strong government force for ~5 year crime will be gone and martial law lifted.


Are you insane? There would be a fucking civil war

>>29522449
What about all the other times? Aside from stumbling through a couple of NVA divisions in Vietnam, your military history consists primarily of dying as best as can be expected and bravely running away.

>>29522463
We can't all stand strong in the face of such giants as grenada and panama i guess.

>>29522073
>>29522137
>>29522195
>Muh gun control works
>Muh martial law da best
You either have to be trolling, retarded, or brainwashed t.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178916300258?via%3Dihub

>>29522494
>behind a paywall

Pastebin that shit mayne

>>29522494
Don't need to pay money to know I'm right.

And I'm not full antigun, just for gun control.

>>29522541

What type of gun control?

>>29522235
Fuck off. North American firearms culture is stronger than ever. We're going to win up here. You won't if you have your fuck head attitude.

>>29521935
True dis. Once they're gone they don't come back, unless maybe invasion or aliens.

>>29522559
Restricting items which have no genuine sporting purpose, no full auto, registration etc.

>>29522689
>Restricting items which have no sporting purpose.
So, you'd allow everything?
There's 3-Gun, long range precision, kill house and even fucking SMG comps in Scandinavia.

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>>29522405
Holy fuck Louisiana

>>29522073
Actually, in the 20 years since PA we have had 9 Massacre incidents.
In the 20 years prior to PA we had 8 Massacre incidents.

>>29522541
Do you think Drug laws work?
Why are Guns different?

Also I dont remember sporting purpose being anywhere in the consitution. Although you clearly arent an american so you were raised a cuck who needs big daddy government to protect and nurture him.

>>29522700
Dont let facts and statistics get in the way of progress

>>29521894
Its sad to see people willingly give up their natural rights and civil liberties.

In exchange for what? A false sense of security thats been factually disproven a million times over....

>>29522727
But think of the chilluns..

>>29522732
BAN ASSAULT ADULTS

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Take you're /pol shit somewhere else

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>>29522137
mass shootings and assorted violence in australia (since muh port arthur)

Hunt family murders

> Millewa State Forest Murders

>26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

>14 October 2002-Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.

>25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder

>18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting

>3 September 2009 – Millionaire businessman Michael McGurk is shot dead outside his home in Cremore Sydney.

>10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children

>28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege

>29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead

>28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo

>23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career CRIMNAL well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege - FIRED at police with a GUN

>15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head

>8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege

>29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead

> September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself

>22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings

>7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree

+ many more, regulating firearms is a joke

>>29522780
>17 people killed with guns since laws 20 years ago
>Port Arthur killed more than double that in a single incident.

Sure showed me.

Fuck, some of you retards is why I hate my own country. You stupid city cunts are the worst people around, do some hard work in war torn, third world countries and you will see why private citizens need guns.
'Oh but that can't happen here'
Well so we are better are we? You stupid fucking racist. They weren't third world and/or worn torn BEFORE the government decided to kill its own people.

Think your food comes to woolies already packaged? Fuck no, even vegans rely on their grains/wheat/whatever rely on farmers using firearms to shoot animals attacking crops. No, a bolt gun doesn't really cut it.

Think Mr. Criminal is going to abide by assualt, BNE, firearm, or any laws? NO, hence a criminal. While you're in your room listening to Linkin Park at the age of 24 jerking off, he's going to be breaking into your house raping your mother(because you clearly still live with her), would be nice if she could depends herself right?

Fuck you all, if you're for ANY sort of registration, for category restrictions, for buybacks, ANYTHING, you really are ignorant and have no place voting or offering your opinion.

>>29522801
His point is that gun violence didn't suddenly disappear. It still exists in the great nanny state down under. Your gun laws didn't stop gun violence. 3/10 try again ausland.

>>29522780
>Bikie

even your motorcycle gangs don't sound that tough. I have no sympathy for Australia. You faggots shitpost too much.

Not sure if top tier bait or genuine fudd advocating for gun control ITT desu

>>29522801
There's a fatal shooting every 9 days in Victoria alone, you colossal faggot.

>>29522834
Before the cops started to target them seriously, they were(and kind of still are) some tough, deranged, murderous people unfortunately. They love the fact we can't defend ourselves against them.

>>29522838
Nah, fudds actually own guns.

This guy's just come from another board (or more likely Tumblr) to try and meme us.
He's probably never even touched a gun in his whole life.

>>29522825
But they greatly reduced it, an argument that shows tightening them further will have a greater impact on crime. In the perfect world there would be police and every corner and no guns available for civilians to murder people with.

And before you sook, there has never been a case of a police officer murdering someone with a gun so they can be trusted.

>>29522852
Actually, the laws had no effect on the homicide or suicide rate.

http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf

We point this shit out to you over and over again, but you never listen.

>>29522846
I have touched a gun actually, I had a friend who owned airsoft in NZ, they one he had was full auto. Haven't spoken to them since because he said he'd love to shoot people with it.

>>29522852
never you say?
http://www.theguardian com/australia-news/2016/jan/30/queensland-police-officer-charged-with-of-two-year-old-boy

>>29522854
Well if it's knives It's time to look at the laws surrounding them huh? The UK has identified this issue too and taken measures to prevent it.

>>29522859
I really hope you're just joking and that you aren't the anti-gun guy.

>>29522852
Cite some sources please. Case studies, unbias reports, etc.

If you are so against guns, why did you come to a gun board?
It must be nice to not have a job, responsibilities, bills, or have to think for yourself.

>>29522767
This is /k/ related so you should strongly consider suicide

>>29522841
Too bad they still sound a bit dumb. If you were to call someone in a motorcycle gang a Bikie in the States I'd bet money you'd get a good beating.

>>29522862
That article is more sparse than the middle of Australia, no details at all and NO GUN USED.

>>29522878
Since cops apparently never commit crimes, would you be okay with off-duty cops carrying concealed handguns for self-defense?

How about if a civilian goes through the same training? Should we also be able to carry a handgun for self-defense?

>>29522875
I'm not sure how Bikie started. I think the general rule is motorcycle enthusiasts(guys who just like riding etc) are Bikers, the crim gangs are Bikies.
Just shows how regional words can be, as in Aus if you mention Bikie everyone knows you're talking about a criminal cunt. If you said motorcycle gang people would think of a few guys on rice rockets.

>>29522893
It's because we shorten everything.
"Biko" sounded weird, so we stuck with "bikie".

>>29522886
Only when in uniform, once you take it off you become a civilian.

If Civilians want a gun then they can apply for the army and police.

>>29522878
My point was less about "HE GUNNED DOWN A BABY" and more about "AH yes. Your police are perfect! and never break the law! ever! Utopia! WOOOOOO!"

>>29522901
Why shouldn't they be able to?

Are you implying that wearing casual clothes somehow makes them a less responsible person, or that it magically turns them into a deranged killer?

Anyway, police target response times are 12 minutes. I hope your ass can take a beating for the 12+ minutes it'll take for them to arrive.
I once called the cops because my elderly dad was being assaulted and they never even showed up at all lel

>>29522901
Should firemen also be the only ones using fire extinguishers? I mean, you might inhale the contents by accident. Only someone who is a professional fire stopper should have the equipment to do so.

I guess we should only have public transport and taxi's too, the 'people' are too irresponsible to drive a motor vehicle.

>>29522908
And my point was a police officer murdering someone with a gun on duty, you did not prove that.

Yeas police are people and people can't be trusted, it's in their nature.

>>29522919
>mfw I know someone who legit thinks fire extinguishers shouldn't be in schools
>I also know someone who thinks that as soon as self-driving cars are practical we should ban regular cars

>>29522922
You are people too buddy.
Do you have to get your mother to cut the crust off your sandwiches? A knife is sharp, you might hurt yourself.

>>29522897
Biko makes even less sense! You Aussies are wierd. Hope that you don't get trampled or raped when the roving bands of gasoline sniffing Kangaroos come through your town while you defend yourself with a dull stick of a maximum of 1 foot in length as per law.

>>29522914
This is why I say a police officer on every street is the goal, to let them be there in seconds.

Also they are not acting in an official capacity when they leave work and so have no reason for a gun.

>>29522919
False dichotomy. Fire extinguishers aren't used to massacre 35 people in a cafe they are used to stop fires and save people.

>>29522943
>a police officer on every street is the goal, to let them be there in seconds.
Are you actually serious with this, or are you just being retarded?

Do you have any idea how many million cops we would need for that to happen?
We're talking about >70% of the population being on-duty cops.

And can we just get this clear?
You don't care at all about murders in general and only care about mass shootings, right?

>>29522943
>police officer on every street
I know you're incredibly dumb, which may or may not be your fault, however where do you suppose we get the manpower for this?
Why not as a society partake in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY instead of fantasy land, where we take care of ourselves?

Try again bud.

>>29522953
He is clearly a troll, so don't ask if he's being retarded. Just call him a retard and let us not reply any further.

>>29522953
I actually care about every life lost, but wish to address the largest issue of gun violence first.

And that issue could be solved with people living in apartment blocks, living tall not wide in small cities. This would allow a great amount of people to be covered by a small amount of highly trained and well equipped officers.

>>29522943
>This is why I say a police officer on every street is the goal, to let them be there in seconds.

You realize not only is that logistically and economically not possible, but courts have ruled police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

>>29522972
So if the gun laws didn't have any measurable effect on the homicide rate then you'd consider them to be a failure, right?

>And that issue could be solved with people living in apartment blocks, living tall not wide in small cities.
So you're literally saying that we should ban houses and force everybody to live in flats?
Jesus fucking christ

>>29522922
Found one! Every time I type "police murder australia" or something similar it pops up "police shoot murderer" or something similar. It's almost annoying that searchign for "police murder USA" gets tons of bad cop hits.

http://www.theguardian com/world/2013/may/29/mother-shot-boy-un-police

>>29522978
Something I also object to, It should be the duty of the police to protect and look after civilians.

>>29522980
Gun laws are there to end gun deaths and have done a FANTASTIC job of that.

Not banning houses that's crazy and dumb, instead making communities smaller and using space better by using,yes, apartment complexes.
>>29522983
>threatened police with two knives

If anything and example of the police doing their job correctly.

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>>29522972
Instead of complaining, why not move?
Sri Lanka has banned guns in private hands and I know from experience they have either police or military on every street corner.
Already a place that fits your fantasy land. You should feel safe there.
Pic related of course.

>>29523005
>Gun laws are there to end gun deaths and have done a FANTASTIC job of that.
Answer the question, fuck knuckle.

If the homicide rate isn't affected, have the laws done anything?
Shifting gun murders to knife murders doesn't count. The overall homicide rate is what's important.

So I'll ask you again: if the laws didn't have any measurable effect on the homicide rate, would they be a failure?

>>29523010
Because I don't want Australia to be some lost cause. I was born in Melbourne and want to see my homeland became great.

>>29523029
>I was born in Melbourne
We can tell

>>29523005
>Gun laws are there to end gun deaths and have done a FANTASTIC job of that.

So you don't care if people are stabbed or beaten to death, as long as they aren't shot?

>>29522073
(k) is the easiest board to troll.

>>29523023
Show me the evidence on murders not going down. Firearm laws stop firearm crime, and that's what we have done. Once firearms have been fully banned the knife crime will be moved to and any other weapon used in crime. We are a violent nation so it won't be easy but we have to try.

>>29523029
So the real answer being because you would feel scared there?

You and people with your views are what is causing Australia to lose its greatness.
You still haven't answered the question, if you hate guns so much why come to a gun board?
You've made it clear that you are quite dumb and like to dodge questions, but I'm sure would could do your best with this one.

>>29522137

>Martial law
>but only in the south
>for 5 years

So you want to create a new, home-grown insurgency in the US.

You are an absolute moron.

>>29523053
Insert your own opinion all you want bigot. I'm proud to be Australian and that's my reason for wanting to stay and help.

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>>29523052
It's already been posted in the thread, but you ignored it because evidence is evil.

http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf

"Gun crime" reduced, but it was met by a rise in knife crime.
Essentially the laws had absolutely no effect, because people are just being stabbed rather than shot.

And yes, if someone gets stabbed to death then they are still dead.

And banning guns doesn't magically stop them from existing.
You can literally make a shotgun in half an hour in your shed. They aren't imbued with fairy dust, they're incredibly simple machines.

And I fucking guarantee you'll ignore this post, just like you cunts ignore everything else.

>>29523053
I also came because I have heard the chatter about loosening the gun laws on the anniversary of Port Arthur (a frankly distasteful move) and wanting to interject an informed opinion into your echo chamber.

>>29523064
So you don't answer the question AGAIN.
You say I'm a bigot with no evidence.
You're response to this is because I called you dumb, however you've proved this.

So, again, answer the question.

>>29523052
>We are a violent nation

Yet you want to remove what is statistically proven to be the most effective way for people to defend themselves..

Why is it a noble goal to protect criminals from killing each other by eliminating the ability of law abiding citizens to defend themselves? Why is the life of a decent person worth less than scum to you people?

>>29523075
>Informed opinion
>Has literally never even touched a gun

And we didn't choose the NFA review to be on the anniversary of Port Arthur. You faggots did so that you could keep standing on their graves.

>>29523075
>informed opinion

Yet you post UNinformed opinions with no evidence to back it up. No real sources, no links, case studies, nothing.
So you really are proving you're a troll, so by extension quite dumb. If you are indeed on the east coast, it is past your bedtime.

>>29523005
My problem with what happened is that I can't find dashcam or anything showing what went down. What it sounds like is he was drunk and sad and threatened them a bit. They didn't try to descalate, and shot him.

Do I have proof of this? no. I'm getting annoyed with the guardian for how they report shit. "Person A did a thing. B responded." With little to no details outside of it. The search results I'm getting all being the same 12 articles of police being shot is also annoying. I'm looking for police shootings google. Not people being shot by the police.

Back to the real point is that I don't trust your police. I hear about a lot of "brandishing knife, was BTFO" sounding like they aren't trying to deescalate. As well as a high penchant for shooting the mentally ill.

The US also has this problem. I'm just don't understand how you see your police as perfect beings who never shoot anyone without just cause. I don't think that's possible. I recognize american police aren't 99% range buddy grade cops with 1% bad apples. I also don't see the opposite. I'm just confused as to why you don't feel the need to protect yourself in australia, with the laws possibly cutting down gun crime, but obviously not doing shit to violent crime over all. If anything just cutting up how you can defend yourself.

>>29523071
Again I have stated that once guns are not an issue, knives should be targeted as they too are used to murder.

As for "making a gun" precise and regulated machinery is need for such a thing in a factory. it's also why ammunition is regulated also.

Yes guns don't magically disappear, but laws stop more from appearing and let the current ones get broken without a replacement/be targeted by police.

>>29523005

let me ask you this then. if the police is made up of trained civilians who are given access to guns why not give everyone training in self defense and proper gun use and allow them to buy and own guns to protect themselves and others?

if the people can't be trusted to own guns how could any police or government that is made up of those same people?.

>>29523105
>knives should be targeted as they too are used to murder
Are you... Seriously claiming that we should ban knives?

>As for "making a gun" precise and regulated machinery is need for such a thing in a factory
I posted a picture of a gun which is literally just two pieces of pipe from Bunnings with a nail in the end. If you had even a primary school level of education you would be able to see that.

>it's also why ammunition is regulated also.
About 80% of shooters in Australia make our own ammo in our sheds. We do it because it's cheaper than buying it from the shops.

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>>29523064
>>29523029
Fuck off mate - A fellow Australian

You are part of the population that is making this country worse. If people like you were in charge we'd be wearing helmets and kneepads when we left the house

Based on the your posts in this thread; I'm going to guess you already do though for different reasons

You are not representative of all Australians, and you are definitely not representative of the people "who made this country great". I doubt you were born before 93' and I really doubt you ever had the chance to see this country before it turned into the nanny state that it is. Neither did I, but people like you have made it that way

>>29523105
>guns not the issue
>knives should be targeted

... So gun control made people move on to knives for their violent crime. And now you want to shift over to banning knives too? Jesus. What next? Banning physical contact?

>>29523105
So you really have no sense of personal responsibility. You realise this is one of the reasons why you don't have a job or a partner.

>As for "making a gun" precise and regulated machinery is need for such a thing in a factory
Nope. If you actually did have an 'informed' opinion you would know this is not true.

>>29521894
Frankly you people are draining me, I've got uni at 8am and need my sleep, feel free to live in ignorance to the fact of gun crime

Peace out! :)

P.S Most of Australia shares my opinion.

Faggots like this Aus anti-gunner are why us Bongs have to waste time going through an inefficient and time consuming licensing process just for a fuckin 22.

>>29523105
>As for "making a gun" precise and regulated machinery is need for such a thing in a factory.

Top kek.

Semi automatic handguns have been in production since before 1900. Literally over 100 years of humans being able to make them, in an age where the equipment to is cheaper, easier to learn, and more accessible than it ever has been.

Take a serious look at stories and videos from the kyhber pass, and realize $1000 at harbor freight will give you capabilities those people can barely dream of while they pump out pretty impressive to tokarev clones that are just as capable of killing you as a $700 factory made pistol.

As someone with a background in precision and manual machining and a good bit of knowledge of gun design theory statements like yours are hilarious. The toothpaste came out of the tube 120 years ago and you think some laws and police will put it back in.

>>29523124
>uni at 8am
Enjoy your useless degree, Bachelor of Arts?

Enjoyed the fact you stayed away from the logical questions in which an intelligent person would be able to answer, answers which will always be in favour of pro gun.

Sleep well, dumb city cunt. Enjoy you foods brought to you by the use of people with firearms.

>>29523131
no fuck you
you are the original nanny state
we are copying you, our colonial ex masters

get fucked mate, don't try and pin this shit on us. You guys have set the precedent

>>29523124
>You're all living in ignorance!
>Now watch as I run away while completely ignoring the scientific studies that you've posted!

>>29523151
The licensing shit in the UK happened at pretty much the same time (mid 90s) that it did in Aus. Don't blame the UK in general, blame the shitheads who lobby against guns

Well that was fun.
Glad to see the pro gunners use reason and actually site some sources. Was nice to see.

>>29523199
>Implying we don't do that every single time
>Implying the antis have even a single scientific source or shred of logic

>>29523117
Well, yes.

Under sharia law, contact between persons of opposite genders is strictly forbidden.

>>29523205
>Implying we don't do that every single time

Not always, a lot of the time it just turns into an insult driven screaming match.

So who's going to the Melbourne Arms & Militaria Fair on the weekend?

I'm going to try and pick up a No.4 Lee Enfield, as well as maybe some other stuff if I see anything I like.

>>29522042
There was a mass shooting in Sydney 2 years ago...

>>29523210
Well, at least you're being nice and polite about letting in the religion of peace people. I'm sure they'll fit right in like in Germany, the UK, France, and the rest of Europe. They seem to lovvvvveeee Sweden.

>>29523300
Well it's true.
Guns do make people violent murderers.
Everyone involved in the Paris and Brussels attacks were members of the religion of peace and only became violent after accessing firearms.
Safety outweighs sporting purposes.

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>>29522183
Listen you shitcunt, I understand you have a tenuous grasp on the english language, but if you have the time to type out
>no pun intended
then you sure as fuck intended the pun.

In the event you do actually intend a pun in the future, it's ok to say pun intended.

It's not rocket surgery.

>>29523336
This is bait

>>29523594
No shit, this entire thread is bait.

>>29522801
Who gives a fuck how many people are killed at one time? Its irrelevant.

If 100 people die, it doesnt matter if they were killed in a mass shooting or a regular shooting

Alll this regulation bullshit is based on emotional appeal. mass shootings are not even statistically significant events

the same amount of people may die by guns after the regulations passed but atleast they arent killed in mass shootings.

What the fuck?


someone send me the link of the recent study show the statistical insignificance of the gun regulations is australia

>>29522461
Another fucking civil war*

>>29521949
Ya know what's weird, I was just playing dawn of war one and heard that line.

Aussie cunt hope fucking dies.

>>29521894
JUST

>>29525976
KEK
MY
COUNTRY
UP

>>29522922
>there has never been a case of a police officer murdering someone with a gun so they can be trusted
>police are people and people can't be trusted, it's in their nature

Which is it?

>>29522434

if that bullshit didn't count suicide the white male bar would be a lot lower.

>>29521935
Well, maybe in Canada. Hell, we just passed Bill C-230, which, if enforced, would allow us glorious AK/FAL/G3 variants again, at the cost of things like long-barrelled Lugers. A trade I'n willing to take.

Itt: aussies that dont realize there countries overall homicide rate is about the same as before the gun bans.

>>29527631
But we do realise that, hence saying the gun laws don't work and should be scrapped.
One or two dumb idiots saying otherwise does not represent all of us.

>>29527509
What in the fuck? Did that actually get passed? Where is the source on this? Also, you shouldn't be willing to make such compromises anon. I agree that it's a net positive but still, what about all the people who bought long barrelled lugers thinking they wouldn't become prohib?

>>29522235
im from New york, the most cuck city in the US and there are still tons of people who hunt and own guns outside the city. like Austin Texas, NYC is a containment zone. only difference is NYC isn't well contained

>>29523117
nah they will just move on to bombs. those are fairly easy as well

>>29527445
if me legalized doc assisted suicide then white would almost never be murdered

>>29522689>>29522801

>I can't handle the responsibility of freedom
Goddamn you Auscucks

>That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government