I think it's safe to say the AK isn't as "rel

Congrats on making another thread, are you going to be done soon?

>>29375682
>AK
What AK? You mean ORIGINAL AK from 1949? It's
antiques. Or maybe AKM, AK74, AK74M, AKS74, AKS74U? Or maybe you are telling about modern AR rifles and you need modern AK for comparesment, AK-100/101/102/103/104/105, AK-12? Or civilian version like Saiga or Vepr with countless midifications? If you're talking about original AK, hell yeah, rifle from 1949 with cost of 5 potatos surely can't compete with something made in 2008. Because of thing called "progress".

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The most reliable gun is obviously the Glock, any model.

And when your mags empty you can even use it as a hand grenade!

>>29376491
Are you trying to smuggle chromosomes? You obviously need one bullet to trigger the blast!

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>>29375682
>Meantime, in the real world

These AKs have seen DECADES of abuse and still function fine.
Where's the AR that's it's equal?

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>>29376523
Oh, here they are.
Being thrown away, because they're disposable garbage.

>>29375682
The AR fag backlash to being shown that AKs are more reliable than ARs (again) is getting desperate.

>>29375682
It's funny how easy it is to tell who has and who doesn't have a college education just by their post and thought process.

>>29376523

This is the best argument. When we see M16s make it through half a century under the care of natives, then I'll be impressed.

>>29376452

"No true klashnikovsmen" argument

They're not as reliable. It's just that poorfags wasted all their dosh on something shit and now have resorted to memes to try and justify the purchase

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>>29376864
>When we see M16s make it through half a century under the care of natives, then I'll be impressed.
Flips have been using A1s since forever.

>>29376885

>natives

Pretty sure even the Philippines still have an armorer who makes sure things keep running

>>29376888
>Pretty sure even the Philippines still have an armorer who makes sure things keep running
Dawg their country is so poor that they have no choice but to keep using A1s.
Regardless, militaries and peoples that can afford ARs can afford to take care of them and keep them spotless.

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So much AKfag butthurt lately. Truth hurts doesn't it?

>>29377790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdss-U0H7fA

Where were you when AK was kill?

>>29375682
>spritz once on AR
>start spraying like no tomorrow for AK
>AK works like a fat kid at an all you can eat buffet after the fourth round.
>AR has magazine release stop working, can't reload, and once you've gotten it unstuck, you can't put a new mag in it
>AK's mag and mag release work fine.
This is also MAC we're talking about.
You all bitch and moan about him until he says something you like and then you tour him as being amazing.
Fuck you all.

>>29376810
Denial is the first step. Your AK reliability meme is dead.

>>29377873
>start spraying like no tomorrow for AK
if it was truly the more reliable gun it shouldn't matter, right?

Oh...

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>it took the world nearly 70 years to realize ak's are shit

Mr. Kalishnakov is laughing in his grave, his shitty rifle forever ubiquitous in every modern battlefield. You cucks have been had. You win Mikhail.
>he even got Russia's highest military award for inventing it and a huge ass funeral to boot

>>29375682

>ARfag backlash and ego attachment: The Post

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>>29377928
>>29375733
>>29376452
>>29376523
>>29376531
>>29376810
>>29377873

AKfags in full damage control

>>29375682
>It jams in ice, where an AR works fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyZY5_txl4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katIqxlMY9A

>>29375682
>It even burns out before an AR
>https://youtu.be/xlL-uRkJ0yA (AK)
>https://youtu.be/BSizVpfqFtw (AR)
do you even watch to the end of the video?
he fixed the AK with a a bump into a three
the AR is beyond saving
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwSJiAwoMpY

>>29377891
it was supposed to be an equal test retard.

it very clearly wasnt.


not even an AKfag, but that MAC video was a bullshit "evaluation"

I doubt any of those are real Russian AK's and the ARs are prolly cherry picked with loose tolerances.

>>29378039
>no true scotsman
Kys

In the dirt test video it was an Arsenal. It doesn't get much better in the civilian AK world than that.

>>29377891
It was supposed to be fair.
I don't care that he didn't baby the gun which I prefer.
What drives me nuts is that he didn't get water in the ARs gas tube like he did that AKs, and that he didn't spray down the AR as much so as to do his best to make sure it still worked.
I'm not saying it was biased AGAINST AKs, I'm saying it was biased TOWARD ARs.
>>29378039
Well...the MAC one was a Colt brand M4gery, so it was at least a good AR.
The fact that he used an RAS-47 with fagpul furniture is annoying though.
>>29377981
There's also the fact that that's not a mechanism problem, that's a cartridge problem.
If you compared an AK-74 and an AR-10 or an AR in .300BLK the AR would fail first.


I would also like to ask; when has there been this much dickwaving on the part of AKfags?

>>29377942

We've already had dozens of threads where we've shown step by step why OP is retarded.
I don't care to make the same posts again.

>>29378067
>get water in the AR gas tube
How? It's a mostly sealed system.

AK was sprayed with the bolt closed. AR was sprayed with the bolt closed.

What more do you want? That's how the two sysems are idle.

>>29378067
>dickwaving on the part of AKfags?
Inferior systems don't get dickwaving rights :^)

>>29378066
>In the dirt test video it was an Arsenal. It doesn't get much better in the civilian AK world than that.
loooool, not a real Russian.

>>29375682

>go on youtube / liveleak / whatever
>watch combat videos of us troops inna desert
>every single time, someone's AR malfunctions

>go on /k/
>ARfags insit their rife is super reliable and amazing
>they only ever fire it at a range

>>29378111
>NO TRUE SCOTSMAN
drink bleach

>>29378084
>drenching the back of the AK bolt/firing pin
>not a drop inside the AR bolt/firing pin

>hurr durr it was fair!!1!

you fags are beyond saving

>>29378146
And still not a real russian ak lol.

>>29378127
>implying anyone on /k/ owns guns

lol m8

>>29375682
Piss off, 9-fag. .45 for life, nigga!

>>29378156
I suggest watching it again, you're wrong. He squirts 12 pumps on the Colt bolt, 9 pumps on the MCX bolt, and 4 pumps on the AK bolt. He speays on both the MCX and AK pistons. He sprays on the gas tube cover of the Colt.

The AK is an open system. Why wouldn't water get back there

>>29376864
The M16 wasn't ever intended to be placed in the care of natives, from it's inception it was intended to be used by a professionally trained, well equipped, well supplied fighting force.

>>29378169
Nobody ever said it had to be a russian ak. Do you think russian aks are built to some magical tolerances?

Protip: russians have been using cast receivers for decades. So much for quality.

>>29378067
>where has been this much dick waving on the part of AKfags

Literally everywhere where it's okay to talk about guns
I remember in middle school call of duty kids would say the AK was better

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>>29378173
>it took 8 hours for someone to realize this is actually a 9mm vs 45 thread

>>29378221
>Do you think russian aks are built to some magical tolerances?
No they're properly made by the people who designed it, the other copies are cheap knockoffs from satellite states and China.

>>29375682
Slavboos on suicide watch.

Only a fucking idiot would chose and AK over an AR.

>>29378291
Hence why the nations that use em generally don't have their shit together and are underdeveloped.

>>29378254
>this level of cognitive dissonance
Easy, SirGay, you can always sell your slavshit before people realize they're garbage. Then buy an AR.

>>29378254
So East German soviet weapons aren't of superior build quality to Russian soviet weapons? Don't make me laugh, Slavaboo.

>>29378067
>im a retard:the post

>>29378306
I would, if it was better, but it's not.

>>29378308
No lol, they aren't.

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>>29378327
>>>29378308
>No lol, they aren't.
Anon confirmed retard lmao. EG is always the best option for cold war weapons.

>>29378327
Dude, the AK is inferior in every way, including the cartridge it fires. And the Russians agree, hence the AK74.

It's okay that you chose trash, because you like the AK, but don't try saying it's even in the same league as the AR, because ithe AK has been proven to be about as reliable as an M14 or Garand, which puts it in the obsolete catagory... and it isn't as good as more modern rifles like the AR and Tavor.

>>29378243
/k/ is easy to bait but they might not know what kind of bait it is.

They may actually pick the wrong bait.

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>>29375682
>who the fuck actually believes such nonsense that 9mm isn't objectively the best pistol caliber

People that know what .357 is.

>>29376888
yea, Rock Island, n they make bomb ass 1911s on the cheap, too.

>>29378355
Ummm, nope, not at all. The true Russian ones have and always will be the best, right from the home, made to the proper standards with no shortcuts.

>>29378361
No, it's like the switched the US did from 30.06 and .308 to 5.56, it was because it's cheaper and you can carry more rounds. The bigger bullets are stronger and have more energy in them.

>>29378384
>6 shot fuckhuge revolver
>not fundamentally obsolete
The average 9mm holds 3x the ammo, and reloads 3x faster at minimum.

>>29378361
Please explain how 7.62x39 is so bad, yet 300blk is so good despite the two being almost identical.

>>29378384
>.357
Is a magnum caliber not a pistol caliber

>>29378423
>this retard still thinks Russian weapons are better than the U N I V E R S A L L Y acclaimed GDR weapons

>>29378424
The 5.56 keeps the ar effective out past 500 meters, there is no comparison, rustard. The 7.62x39 cartridge is garbage past 300 meters.

Your analogy is fucking retarded, especially considering the 5.45 casings are the same size as the 7.62 casing... so Ivan has ZERO weight or bulk savings.

You just proved that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.

^Average AK dipshit^

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>>29378423
>Russia
>proper standards
>no shortcuts

>>29378434
I never said the 300 black was good, queerbait.
There is more than one person itt laughing at you.

But considering the 300 blk is fired from the superior AR, that is reason enough to make it the superior round, now that you mention it.

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>>29378438
>>29378424
i guess you're not one of those people

>pistol
>revolvers are pistols
>ergo, .357 mag is a pistol round, you autistic fucks

If you really insist on being that much of a chromosome deficient potato, then Sig would like to have a word with you.

>>29378493
So your whole argument for the inferiority of 7.62x39 revolves around the fact that the ar can't use it? I think you're mistaken about which one of us is being laughtd at.

>>29378445
Yes, they are. Get over it germ.

>>29378466
Yep, mad ameriboo?

>>29378507
Revolvers aren't pistols. That's like saying a clip is a mag.

Pistol means the chamber is part of the barrel. Revolvers mean the chamber is part of a (revolving) cylinder with a significant gap between that cylinder and the barrel.

>>29377942
>that insecure ad hominem

Delicious

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>>29378518
>this guy is still here

>>29378524
pis·tol
ˈpistl/
noun
noun: pistol; plural noun: pistols

1.
a small firearm designed to be held in one hand.
synonyms: revolver, gun, handgun, sidearm; More

>>29378493

>Lack of Reading Comprehension: The Post


If youre saying that 7.62x39 is so bad, then why would so many people we hailing the 300blk when they are nearly identical?


Does this need to be explained to you in an even more simplified manner?

There is more than one person itt laughing at you

>>29378463
Is this a serious post?

>>29378524
are you really that stupid? Cause this has to be b8. I'm not going to sit here and argue sometjing that you're too retarded to go look up. I insist you use google sometime, its pretty damn easy.

Its all fucking semantics.

Besides, 357 sig is a thing, making your argument invalid.

>.357 is best pistol round.

>>29378547
>the term "pistol" refers to a handgun having one chamber integral with the barrel,[1][2] making pistols distinct from the other main type of handgun, the revolver, which has a revolving cylinder containing multiple chambers.[3][4]

If you're going to complain about weapons autism you came to the wrong place

The thing with all of these tests is that racking the action 5 or so times still generaly fix any of these problems

These tests are just gauging the ability to function without any assistance

In real life, you're sure as fuck going to rack the action a few times if your rifle just came out of the mud, the sand, or a bucket of water. It's just common sense.

>>29378567
>.357 Sig is .357 Mag
Be still, my flying sides

>>29378584
Both underpowered handgun bullets, whats the difference?

>>29378546
Yep.

>>29378463

Are you stupid?

Truth

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>>29375682
>Posting the WASR meltdown and not the VEPR one
Nice cherrypicking

>>29378206
did you miss the
>inside
part?

it wouldnt get in there because who acidentally half a water bottle inside their rifle?

the safety lever exists exactly for that reason.

>>29378911
The safety lever isn't watertight, not even close. If he had the lever on safe then the AR should've had the dustcover on too. He was spraying them in the "ready to fire" stage.

>>29378878
>saint

>>29378529
>thinking that the phrase AKfag is derogatory
>being this new to 4chan

>>29376523
Yeah no, they were sitting in a box in a shitty environment. Not seeing combat everyday for decades.

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>>29376452
>rifle from 1949 with cost of 5 potatos
>not knowing that the original AK47 had problems with cost overruns and wasn't cheap, in addition to having more reliability problems when it was first issued than the original M16

>>29376523
>>29376864
>Burma

Wow, congrats OP, for bringing the stupidest bunch of people /k/ has to offer all into one thread.

Sizing them up for their striped pajamas now.

>>29375682
>Cherry picked YouTube videos are more valuable than half a century of field use

Guns earn their reputations.

>>29380967
>Guns earn their reputations
"Fuddlore"

>hurr da M1 Carbine can't puncture coats!

>>29378584
.357 sig was designed to replicate .357 magnum velocities, do some reading.

>>29381990
Just like .45 GAP and .45 ACP amirite?

Poorfags defending their slavshit rifle.

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>>29378424
>>29378438
>What is the Automag
>What is the Desert Eagle
>What is the M1911 Coonan

>>29382120
Guns invented long after the .357 Magnum's debut

AK47, AK74, any variation of those two: DSRs (designated shit rifles)

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>>29382583
>Moving goalposts
Doesn't matter, they're pistols that utilize magnum loads, can be suppressed, are semi automatic and carry more than six rounds

>>29378463
>The 5.56 keeps the ar effective out past 500 meters, there is no comparison, rustard. The 7.62x39 cartridge is garbage past 300 meters.

You know, I'm getting really fucking tired of people comparing the two.

You cannot. One is 100+ grains, the other is less than 80. The two are not comparable.

Compare 5.45x39 to 5.56x45 then call me in the morning.

>>29375682
>Slavaboos getting BTFO THIS MUCH
Delicious

>>29383234
that's the insas

>>29377961
>Dry Ice, bolt cycling easily
Well yeah, the AK will skid right past such thin coating. The video mac posted had actual liquid which was frozen in natural conditions.

The AR would fail this test obviously because of the friction on the tight ass bolt tolerances.

Apples vs oranges

>>29375682
I literally hate AK's, yet you're still a faggot with your worthless thread.

Kys anon

>>29383911
>tripfag
>telling anyone to kys
Drink bleach

>>29383964
>no

>>29379828
>backpedaling this hard
>being this salty
>bragging about time spent on a nepalese oven mitten board

>>29384430
>replying to an 8 hour old post to some guy that will never see it
You really are new. Disgusting.

>>29376523
At Fort Benning being used by shit recruits.

>>29378111
I'll offer my Izhmash up next time then.

You willing to pay for ammo and time? My rate is $100 an hour.

>>29378384
You're right. .357 SIG is the superior round.

>>29384468
>being obsessed with new
>proud of spending friday nights at your computer
>no john you are the newfaggots

Will someone dox this faggot.

Getting tired of all the constant nogunz arguing about ak vs ar. Just buy both and try them out they arent fucking expensive. This board is going down the shitter

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AR15 popularity was the perfect symbol of lower middle class new economy insecurity

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>>29376899
Fuck off nigger, they are pretty much just less globally but less shitty than India(no designated street sshittin) with cute brown asians. They just need to increase military spendings, something that has been proposed for quite long
Why no love for the best colony?

In the meltdown video doesn't he use a piece of shit for the AK?

>>29378243
.45 just works for me.

>>29378434
.300blk is strait walled and tapered down. More oprions in bullet weight and powder loads


I could go on , but I'm getting sleepy.

EVERYBODY FUT THE SHUCK UP

Can we just agree that both these 50 year old grandpa guns suck ass? We should be demanding the market make us a rifle with no flaws at all. Something that doesn't even require an argument but just wins hands down every time. Until that weapon exists, there's no reason to argue, everything just has tradeoffs and you should rather waste your breath demanding FN make more stuff until they get it 100% right. The SCAR comes pretty close but it needs a forward/downward ejecting bullpup version, a non reciprocating charging handle, and the stock needs to be less shitty and plastic.

>>29387957
Also in defense of the AK, how do you ARfags justify the fact that your rifle has already been beat in its field? There are plenty of better versions of the standard AR: SCAR, MSBS, ACR, MCX, HK416, etc.

There's is NO RIFLE that does what the AK does better. It's the best lightweight 7.62x39 shooter hands down. If you want that caliber, there's no better choice, full stop. If you want a 5.56 gun, you have a wide variety of options. The only argument that the standard AR platform is better than any of the rest is "its cheaper" which doesn't mean it's the best performing, it just means you're a poorfag.

>>29387088
>Phillipine
>Best colony
Move aside gook, we all know that Puerto Rico is best colony
>inb4 pay denbts

>AK bolt didn't go into battery all the way
>doesn't try to clear jam and indicate that the rifle is capable of unfucking itself

Wowee, sure proved to me that the AK is pure garbage and it was permanently out of order after that test! That shit will need a gunsmith to get back into working order!

Why can't anyone ever compare the AR and AK properly without some hint of bias? Why can't they use a method that will completely free their own hands from the process and let the guns speak for themselves?

Take the two rifles and toss them inna river. Let them sit in there for a minute or two, then take them both out to freeze on a table. Then toss both of them over an open campfire for a few moments to loosen up the ice. The tester is not a part of the process besides fixing issues afterward and getting it to fire. Do it all in one video take; this is as fair as it gets.

Why is this so hard to do?

https://youtu.be/3VRrc2n0NXg

Based Ermey will tell you the business.

>>29387128
He did another one with a VEPR and it lasted around as much as the AR IIRC.

>>29388643
IraqVet's torture tests are better.

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>>29386202
>someone dox him for hurting mah feelings waaaaaah

>>29386327
What the fuck are you on about? "New economy"?

I hate it when retards like you try to sound smart.

>>29389446
I'd beat Umaru if she was my little sister.

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>>29389446
>Umaru posting

>>29378221

>Protip: russians have been using cast receivers for decades. So much for quality.
>cast receivers
>receivers made of sheet metal stampings
>cast

Wew lad

>>29389555
He's right tho. It's Russia's dirty secret.

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>>29389460
>>29389525
Is is that time of the year already, newfriends??

>>29377981
>the AR is beyond saving
That's not a fair accusation, the AR's barrel exploded and their was no mechanical failure. That's what the test was testing.

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>>29376523

>>29378070
ive seen those threads and AK fags were BTFO in all of them

>>29378361
>ithe AK has been proven to be about as reliable as an M14 or Garand
Try putting steel case ammo in a garand or m14 and you'll see how retarded that statement is.

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>>29376864
>>29376523
ARs have been used in south america by gangs for years. pic related from huehueistan

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>>29376523

>>29390817
>i-it's the ammo!
So many excuses

>>29376810
except no, Does youtube not work in your krokodil den Ivan?

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>>29375682
If AK's are so reliable, why do the Russians need to bless them?

Checkmate Ruskies

>>29378127
>liveleak as a source

>>29390842
Keep up, nigger. I'm not arguing ak vs AR. I was simply calling you a retard for claiming the ak isn't more reliable than rifles that literally can't function with anything besides brass case ammo.

>>29389727
Umaru a shit

>>29390872
>getting this fanny flustered
If you feed a lame horse prime hay, it's still a lame horse

The AK is that lame horse

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>>29376523
kids here, so much for "m16 can't be used by kids like the AK"

>>29390903
>being this asspained that someone calls out your terrible comparison for being obviously untrue
I don't give a shot if you hate the Ak, it's far more reliable than a garand based action and if you want anyone to take you seriously you shouldn't pretend otherwise

>>29381014
>M1 Carbine can't puncture coats
But that's true.

>>29391080
1/10

>>29390994
Wasn't my comparison, keep backepdaling though it's cute

>>29387957
>rifle with no flaws at all.
>Implying that will ever happen

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>AK works in -40 celsius
>AR doesn't work in -40 celsius, has parts literally break off the stock

>>29391090
>backepdaling
You clearly don't know what this word means. I've been saying the same thing the whole time.

And you may not have made the comparison but you were defending it, which makes you at least as stupid as the guy who said it

>>29389657
You can't "cast" sheet metal, you fucking retard.