So it's obvious that AKs are inherently inferior to ARs.

>>29369825
>Tests where the testers pour like 5 gallons of thick mud onto the action and act surprised when no gun on the planet can pass it.

Is there a more retarded test?

Also here is your (You)

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>>29369825
an 1960 AR sin't modular
the same for a 1960 AK
Rifle is fine is a Meme made by uneducated American
and Karl is just a youtube shitposter, using his friend popular for his own benifit

>>29369880
>act surprised when no gun on the planet can pass it.

Except the AR did pass it with flying colors

Stay delusional

>>29369825
I've actually fought in a war while outnumbered and against a enemy who had logistical supiority and I can tell you that the AK is way better than the AR.

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>>29369923
I'm sure you did

>>29369904
No need to be upset the the AR15 caused the deaths of thousands of GIs in Vietnam because its a jamomatic piece of shit

:^)

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Another quality Dr8co thread.

>>29369904
>Except the AR did pass it with flying colors
except the bolt hold open device didn't work
and you should read about AK G2 trigger and US army test with M4, SCAR, ACR. that is a real test,

>>29369932
>i have no data to back up my statements
im gay

>>29369825
>so why does anyone pretend the AK is anything but a cheap crude rifle
I dont think anyone thinks its anything but a cheap crude rifle that'll punch holes in a lot of shit that 223 cant

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>>29369932
The M16 failed in Nam because the military used cartridges with the wrong (extremely dirty) powder, didn't chrome line the innards, and told the troops it was self cleaning so they didn't issue cleaning kits.

In a humid environment it's not surprising things went to pot with their M16s so fast. By the time they cleared up those issues the gun was fine to the end of the Vietnam war.

The AR was made for small asia men who couldn't handle the m-14.

>>29369955
>18 year old draftees gunned down while trying to clear jams caused by a single pinch of mud while tiny Vietnamese farmers gunned them down with superior weaponry
>They cursed Eugene Stoner with their final breath

>>29369825
I'm on mobile and don't have any reaction images...so I'll just say it. This is low quality bait.

>>29369945
>OH NOES DA BOLT HOLD OPEN DIDNT WORK, DAT'S AS BAD AS THE ACTION NOT WORKING LIKE THE AK
LEL
E
L

Also that test you mentioned was rigged and everyone knows it. The M4 was using shitty old beat up GI mags.

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>>29369984
/thread

>>29370001
>can't disprove it
>B-bait!

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>>29369880
>>29369888
>>29369923
>>29369932
>>29369943
>>29370001
AK IDF out in full force today

Stay mad slavaboos

>>29369975
>7.62x39 can put holes in things 5.56x45 can't
Such as?

>So it's obvious that AKs are inherently inferior to ARs

off to a great start this thread is

>>29369943
God why doesn't he just kill himself already?

>>29370024
I don't need to disprove it. I own both ARs and AKs. Two of my ARs have malfunctioned on a regular basis. None of my three AKs have ever had any sort of malfunction and I shoot shitty Walmart ammo out of them.

>>29370053
your mom

>>29370101
Wew lad

>>29369825
Eugene stoner pls go

>>29370090
I've owned an AK and an AR. Never cleaned either.

Guess what. Both failed with shitty mags and neither failed with good mags.

>>29370090
>bought a shitty 500 dollar AR
>surprised when it malalfunctions

>>29370127
Makes sense...my post wasn't to discredit ARs. I like em both.

>>29369978
This. The gun wasn't bad, the ammo was. Shout out to the US of A, lowest bidder wins again

>>29369825
>adopted by third world shitholes
Hey fuck you buddy.

t. Finland

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>>29369825
>Ian and Karl's mud test
>sample size: 1
>thinking this means anything at all

>>29369825
Funny how AR shills always take this video to tell how the AR is good while completely omitting the dozen or so of videos where the AK kicked out the AR's butt in torture tests.

>>29370190
Links to said videos pls

>>29370202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvccUuJ0i-4

>>29370202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT66bzH97u8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjn40ff1Euc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyZY5_txl4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katIqxlMY9A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifQ1OUWVd8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjIq2WmItF4

>>29370215
>cookoff
that isn't failing due to dirt or grime

Also IV8888 did a cookoff video for an AR. It lasted a bit under 100 rounds than an AK.

>>29370236
How often do you find yourself needing a weapon while in a liquid nitrogenous environment?

>>29370243
bit under 100 rounds more than an AK*

>>29370243
and in their test, they can fix the AK with some bump into the range table

>>29370260
>bit under 100 rounds more than an AK*
WARS 265 rounds, barrel bend, still shoot in the end of the video
DI AR 830 rounds, barrel bust
Verp 895 rounds, barrel bend, still shoot in the end of the video
Short stoke Piston AR 833 rounds, bolt carrier damage

When will your bait threads come to an end? Could you just fuck off back to your AR containment thread already?

>>29370202
Thought I find more comparison videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a9lZO74YCE (5:20 AR, 5:52 AK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCJuikNadgE (starts with AK, 3:06 AR)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7d_bsaPR_Q (1:15 AR jams)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnTdQ0_ejJE vs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwoZ6SS_pY (5:40 AR jams)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCz6lLXJoQo (8:34 AR fails)

>>29369825
Man I like Forgotten Weapons but their weapon test videos really suck shit considering they almost always get literally the exact opposite results compared to other groups.

Also tests where people just cake the fucking guns in mud and shit and then barely try to clean it are fucking dumb, how about an even slightly realistic test of dropping it in mud and doing quick hand cleaning and shooting, without simulating Verdun.

>>29370489
I blame the Nutnfancy Buck angel tier tacticool oper8er culture.

They over think everything

My AR gets better food and puts up tighter groups, but it never gives me the endorphine drop I get from rocking in a mag and pulling back the charging handle on my AK.

Plus, Hornady 7.62x39 SST powder smells so amazing that I would wear it as cologne.

>>29370529
>Plus, Hornady 7.62x39 SST powder smells so amazing that I would wear it as cologne.

>I can see into forever

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>>29370489
they should just keep doing historical stuff
i like their camo video and the Sniper series

>>29370419
Delicious AK fanboy tears, mmm

>>29369945
The dust test you're referencing counted bursts less than three rounds as malfunctions. They didn't understand how an m4 burst clutch works.

There are many rifle designs that are equally reliable under normal conditions.

Every claim of X rifle is more reliable than Y rifle because Z test has a counterclaim of Y rifle beating X rifle in Z test.

Apart from the specious claim of "more reliable", the AK has no advantages over the AR platform. AR is lighter in the same configuration, is more precise and the action causes less disturbance to the point of aim than on the AK. The reason that AK fanboys talk shit about the poor reliability of the AR-15 is because it would disturb their idea that guns need to be "balanced". Life isn't a videogame, some things are just better than others.

I did forget one advantage of the AK: folding stocks are practical in the most common form of the design. Only a handful of DI AR-15 variants can have folding stocks installed. This matters for soldiers and contractors in cramped APCs and cars but not for much else.

Despite the AR-15 winning out by the numbers, there's nothing wrong with AKs. If you choose to prefer the AK, that's fine. However, it does put you into the same class as the people who use Amigas instead of Linux.

>>29370587
Explain

>>29370053
Cop vests

>>29370666
On an m4, if you release the trigger after firing only one round, the next time you hold the trigger down, it fires two rounds because of how the burst clutch works. In the test, they counted each instance of this as two separate malfunctions.

>>29370623
AK's are more reliable than AR's if you cannot clean them. The hated James Yeager stated in one video about one of his courses, that if the lesson starts with six guys with AR's and six guys with AK's, it ends with 12 guys with AK's because all AR's have jammed. Piston operation is cleaner and more reliable without cleaning than direct impingement. This advantages translates only under some circumstances (high volume of fire, few cleaning and lubrication).

Stop comparing different weapons!

Their philosophy of use is different,
Cartridge different,
Method of operation too,
Mechanics also,
etc.

Would you compare a Lada to a low end Ford simply because they are cars?!?!

>>29370684
sauce?

>>29370623
>ARs are far superior to AKs if you just disregard reliability.

>>29370674
Anything rated for 5.56 is also rated for 7.62x39

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=476505

>29370707

>ARs are almost as reliable as AKs so long as you constantly keep them drenched in Crisco.

>>29370739
Exactly. 7.62x39mm doesn't penetrate any better than 5.56x45mm. What it does, it shatters bricks and turns cover into concealement. The 7.62 round also gets less deflected by leaves and stuff like that, but that's all.

>>29370757
See
>>29370707


Fucking phone

>>29370762
who are you quoting?

>>29370757
>>29370771
>The IP address you are currently using has been blocked due to its use by spammers in your area.

>Our Staff will gladly attempt to open an address tunnel through which you can access TheFiringline.com.

>To do so, we will need your current IP address. To obtain that, Google "What is my IP address."

>The first response will be "Your public IP address is XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX" where the X's are sets of numbers.

>Copy the entire set of numbers, paste it into an e-mail along with a brief explanation of why you are interested in accessing our site, and send it to
sorry but do you have anything more mainstream

>>29370053
>>29370739
>>29370763
x39 punches through barriers - like vehicles, for example - much better than 5.56. Not surprising at all, it's a much larger and heavier bullet.

>>29370796
>vehicles
>barriers
Anon, .22lr from a rifle penetrates windshields. 9mm easily penetrates both side car doors.

An intermediate rifle round should penetrate just as easily right?

>>29370796
A bullet with a smaller diameter and flying much faster will usually have a better penetration. Extreme example would be APFSDS rounds. If they'd penetrate less well than big ball rounds, the army would use big ball rounds.

>>29370784
Literally the first result on Google
Google "m4 dust test burst"

>>29370796
That doesn't explain why 5.45 outperforms both in terms of penetration

>>29370796
Check the penetration test done by MAC. The 5.45 rounds goes through a tree, while the 7.62x39mm gets stuck.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547BKysByqM

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>>29370043

>ameriboo mad that his government issued shit isn't up to the standards of a well-designed, well-made weapon

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>>29370796
>>29370796
this and 5.56 ballistic coefficient suck

QUICK SOMEONE POST THAT VIDEO FROM FULL30 ABOUT THE AK FAILING IN MUD THAT MADE SLAVABOOS GO NUCLEAR

>>29370851
You're a little bit slow, aren't you. It's the one everyone's speaking here you dumbass.

>>29370773
>who are you quoting?
Every tactitarded ARFCOM-posting, FDE-wearing AR fanboy ever?

>>29370844
he was comparing 7N6 with commercial FMJ
of cause 7N6 is better

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>>29370845
>Ameriboo
>his government
You can't be a boo of something if you are that something you stupid newfag

Also
>AK
>well designed
>well made

>>29370851
Here's a video of a Tavor and an AR shitting the bed after being dunked in a hot pond.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2a9lZO74YCE

YouTube torture test videos prove absolutely nothing. Real world experience and conditions count. Not some asshole with a gopro.

>>29369932
>“When I first got to Vietnam, I was scared to death of the M16. I feared a jamming M16 would get me killed, poison snakes, spiders and a jammed M16 was such a worry to me I opted to carry an M60 on my first LRRP patrol. Later I learned to love it. I hated the M14, it proved not as reliable and was heavier and I could not carry near enough of its ammo. When it comes to combat I would walk over 100 of the best M14s ever made for one good M16.”

http://looserounds.com/2015/01/30/the-m14-not-much-for-fighting-a-case-against-the-m14-legend/
The article is obviously mostly about the M14, they only talk about the M16 near the bottom, but it is actual Vietnam vets who saw combat talking.

What the fuck is up with this small-arms revisionism?

Fuck you all.

>>29370838
the first result is this, and it is the only legit artical i can find
http://elementsofpower.blogspot.com/2008/01/extreme-dust-test-m4-and-others.html

>>29370905
>why don't people just repeat the same memes I already know forever
>why are people doing their own research instead of just believing what old fudds say

>>29370900
Who got the rifles>>29369978 talked about

Try reading sometime

>>29370925

>he thinks youtube videos are 'research'

lol

>>29370936
>Who got the rifles>>29369978 talked about
The first troops to be initially issued the M16.

It was quickly fixed but the meme of its inability stuck for some time. You're repeating it right now.

If you think all the M16s in vietnam, or even a large minority of them, did not goto or come with chrome; then you're an idiot and YOU should read constantly for a long time.

>>29370959
They are though. You could also do it yourself but I know you're too poor to buy anything but a HiPoint and some malt liquor.

>>29370962
You misunderstood and my post was misleading

They got the bad guns is what I was trying to say. The unreliability of the AR is a meme that comes from that horrible first wave of rifles and ammunition.

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>>29370990
Ok, well let's part as friends.

>>29370017
Is...IS that a fucking hose clamp?

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>>29371113

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>>29369825
As far as reliability there are plenty of tests in which AKs and ARs have both passed and failed mud, dirt, sand, and water tests so that sort of thing is always going to be up in the air of the uniquity of individual circumstance. It's gotten so varied nowadays that people just hilariously cherry-pick Youtube torture test videos.

In regard to cartridges, none of them are inherently good or bad in and of themselves. It's a matter of your particular environment/battlefield. The problem with caliber debates is that they are always set in the backdrop of vast, open land with a person standing at an established distance, ready to take a shot. Theaters of war are varied, with different calibers suited accordingly, so it is environment that dictates the best cartridge, not the cartridge itself.

As for modularity, it doesn't have an effect on the battlefield. Both rifles can be equipped with lights, lasers, different stocks, muzzle attachments, etc. There is no element of modularity among either rifle that would have any kind of advantageous effect on the battlefield.

Everything else you said are just overreaching, exaggerated personal biases. Calling an AK crude is as much of an oversimplification as calling an AR over-engineered and much of what you're debating are just worn-out meme arguments.

>>29371163
>AR over-engineered
It is arguably the least complex of the two when you break it down, less moving parts. But I think I know what you mean.

AR will always be more accurate though.

AR > AK when you get down to it senpaitachi desu

>>29371211
The only 2 parts that need to be precision made within a .001 tolerance is the bolt and barrel. The rest is actually simple machining

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>>29371113
kek, sharp eye anon

>>29371333
Trips of truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synlZgnTnXg

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>>29370570

InRange needed a mud hole not just a wheelbarrow with mud in it. Submerge the gun and drag it back up with a rope. Now that's a mud test.

>>29372940
Wow

The AK reliability meme is dead as fuck

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X7IGHWIMNE0

Good luck fashioning a charging handle, or a roll pin, is some dipshit little spring, or lose some faggot hex screw, or improvising a gas tube, or fixing magazines when "shtf".

Until then best of luck on you operations, I'll be cuckolding with your gfs sissies.

>>29375787
Besides you act like your AR imbued you with some American valor stats.

Hey faggot, we all have ARs. It's just a fucking gun and people used to buy them from walmart. Muh match trigger, muh laser. Makes me wonder how sweetly your ass would smack when "operations commence".

>>29369825
ars and aks are inferior full stop.

Congrats America. You spent untold billions of dollars on a sub par design to get it to capable/good. Just in time to be phased out as it's only selling points nowadays is affordability and continuity.

You can hand down your AR your your child one day and tell him the story of you got it.

>well son I was on affcom for reviews
>I got on slickguns on bought a lower
>that's the day I became an gunsmith son

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This whole thread just proves that AR owners are the modern day Fudds.
They will gladly throw any and all other firearm enthusiasts under the bus as long as you don't try and take their rifle or ammo.

>After the 7n6 ban there were thread after thread of AR owners laughing, but as soon as M855 was on the chopping block it was "C'mon guys we need to stick together"

The lack of backlash regarding 7n6 was just the icing on that cake, as it was an AR manufacturer who got steel core 7.62x39 banned back in the 90s.

And what did he say?
>"I'm not in the ammunition business," Olympic Arms' Schuetz told the author in one of two interviews at that time. "I wasn't aware that there was a problem. Nobody told me that this was a situation, and by the time I found out, it was too late. I'm 65 years old, I go to church every Sunday, and I feel good about myself. If people are so ignorant as to blame me for what's happened, that's asinine and there's nothing I can do about it. Now when people send me letters on this I just ignore it. What do you want me to do?"

You fucks are the worst part of the firearms community.

>perfectlycalm.png

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>>29376147
>They will gladly throw any and all other firearm enthusiasts under the bus as long as you don't try and take their rifle or ammo
Could you at least reference what posts made you think this? I know you're full of shit because most AR owners who ever post their guns own more than an AR. I own an AR, AK, fucking so many shotguns, glocks, a sig, so many revolvers. I don't want ANY of my firearms messed with, ever. Just because I know my AR is better for alot of what I want does not mean i hate other guns.

You're an inflammatory retard. Niggers tongue uranus, while you tongue theirs.

>>29370796
> I don't understand physics

>>29376147
what in the fuck are you talking about

>>29376179
cmon anon.

>>29369825
K

Compare Apple's to Apple's.

AKM or 74 to Colt SP1. Era ammo as well.

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>>29376286
Wouldn't make more sense to compare modern things we can actually use?

>>29369825
Why not have both?

>>29369825
"rifle is fine" is a slavaboo poorfag meme
In reality, conscripts were left with plain rifles because of cost, Russia couldn't afford that shit (still barely can), special forces had all kinds of specialized variants and accessories, particularly today now that they can get rails, collapsible stocks, affordable and compact optics, etc.

A 1960's Soviet conscript would be delighted at an adjustable stock and a decent red dot on his AKM, as well as rugged plastic mags and furniture to decrease weight.

The Soviets wanted to make the SVT40 their main infantry rifle, every soldier would have one, but it simply wasn't possible, or a good idea at the time, took too much time and money (also it wasn't that amazing of a rifle), the Germans are tracking in mud on their carpet, so they stayed with the Nagant because they had lots and the capability to produce lots more in a hurry.

>>29369997
>NVA
>superior weaponry
Nigga they barely had one full magazine most of the time, half their arsenal was old beat to death Soviet hand-me-downs (both old slavshit and old captured German WW2 gats) and a mish mash of captured French arms, they had some good weapons but terrible logistics.

Early M16s had design problems, as well as bad ammo and mags (which would fuck an AK too), by the time the M16A1 was the standard, it was, and still is, an excellent rifle.

An M16A1 with a full combat load is miles ahead of a loaded Nugget or an AKS with maybe 12 rounds in the magazine and no spare

>>29370697
Lol believing this.

>>29370763

>7.62x39's superior projectile stability and penetration through brush and light cover is not important

OK, keep telling yourself that. God forbid you shoot anywhere but an open field

>>29371163
Look man, as an AK fan, 7.62x39 is not really amazing in any way except that it's diet fucking cheap.

>>29375787
>>29375814
Autism

>>29375961
You can hand down your AK your your child one day and tell him the story of you got it.
>>well son I was on an anime weapons board for reviews
>>I got on bud'sgunshop and bought a WASR
>>that's the day I became a poorfag son

Oh boy here we go again
ar fags are fucking insufferable, at least ak fags don't make threads on ak vs ar every fucking day, mostly

That's if most of you have even shot either which I highly doubt

You look like a fucking retard having to wave around your tiny epeen every day for some sort of justification over guns you don't own. It's annoying. How about saving up for a gun to go shoot instead of shitpost? Oh right, mommy won't let you.

Both are garbage, outdated platforms that just happen to be cost effective to recycle decade after decade. If a perfect rifle was needed, they would not be bidding out contracts to the cheapest company and would preform testing akin to that Alaska police test for their rifle if adverse conditions actually mattered enough to change platforms, which most of the time they don't.

>>29377984
Honestly?
This guy's really right.

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the ak-107 exists, educate yourself comrade
inb4 ''it cant mount a burger dispenser like the ar the ar is better muh rails''

>>29378004
Of course he is. He's you.

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>>29378019
>Dat mask

>>29377984
>Oh boy here we go again
>ar fags are fucking insufferable, at least ak fags don't make threads on ak vs ar every fucking day, mostly
It's an ongoing battle where AKfags get the upperhand and shitpost like mad then ARfags get the upperhand and shitpost like mad

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>>29378055
Why cant we just love all rifles?

>>29378064
That is cute as fuck tbqh
>>29378030
Nope.

>>29378055
Maybe I was being harsh, but I definitely notice more ar shitposting, at least in the ops of these threads.

>>29378064
Cause our epeens are on the line son, nothings more important. Apparently.

>>29378090
You clearly haven't been here long enough if you haven't witnessed AKfaggotry being more belligerent than ARfaggotry. Up until very recently the AR always got flak here for being unreliable and dainty while the AK was untouchabke.

>>29378055
Maybe I was being harsh but I notice more ar shitposting, at least in the ops of these threads.

>>29378064
Cause our epeens are on the line son, nothing is more important. Apparently.

>>29377642
You'd rather have me believe a lardass posting on a Chinese cartoon image board.

>>29378131
>>29378132
I haven't browsed /k/ in awhile, and I recently started again but I'm guessing it was the case of "ar" fatigue so to speak. I rally wish there was a larger variety of platforms, especially in the US.

>>29378158
There is a lot of variety though. /k/ just never talks about them because either it's stuck in yet another stupid general, isn't a meme weapon, or is pushed out by tangential weapons threads.

Most posters here nowadays only talk about military weapons and that's why you seem to see a lack of variety.

>>29369825
>I don't care for how ARs feel in my hands
>AKs feel really nice to me
>I can clank my 13in steel targets just fine with irons at 400 yards with ak irons
>I find 556 to be the most boring of the main 5 military calibers to shoot
FACT: AKs will always be the better gun for me, even if you don't care for them.

>>29378360
So you're a manlet is what you're saying. AKs were designed for malnourished manlets after all.

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>>29378454
That's a very witty retort, sure put me in my place.
I hereby concede that aks are shit because you said so.

>>29378485
Uh oh guys, the shrimp is getting upset. Better watch out!

SKS >AK

>>29378677
vz58>all other 762 rifles
sks/vz2008>$500 tier ak
slr-107=>vz2008>sks

>>29378719
Didn't Karl and Ian do a mudtest with a vz.58 that failed worse than the AK? Why hasn't there been hulabaloo over that?

>>29377911
I wonder what my polytech or SA 85M would fetch on gunbroker. I'd imagine I could straight across for a SCAR. So the poorfag meme is false.

>>29378739
If you're going to let a barely scientific test decide which "civilian" rifle you choose, god help you.
I'm not dipping my nice vz or any of my other rifles in a mudhole, ever. I don't see how it would even happen, much less happen with the bolt held open since it never is unless I'm reloading right this second and I drop it into the clay pit I'm shooting into for fun like a moron.

>>29378739
nobody expected the vz to pass. it failing wasnt a surprise. its not like vz reliablity was hyped up like an ak either. the main pros are its milled its light it takes strippers and is cheap.

>>29378739
Because I don't drop my VZ in the mud

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>>29369825
Huh, I have an A1 clone, lets see how what you said stacks up.
>Modular
If you consider changing the handguard and adding a grenade launcher modularity, maybe but realistically no.
>Sealed system to prevent intrusion of elements
Sure
>5.56 is a proven manstopper in the right configuration, can accept all kinds of other cartridges under the sun
It can accept one cartridge: 5.56 That's not a problem, because 5.56 is a good cartridge, but don't pretend that the AR has been able to take multiple cartridges forever.
>adopted by first world countries and special forces worldwide
Adopted by the US. Other firstworld countries adopted their own rifles because MIC.

All of what you said is applicable to a modern AR-15. A4 plus. M16A1 and M16A2 weren't any more modular than an AK and they were first used on a large scale by a conscript army to fight in vietnam. You can mount scopes to the top rail, congrats.

The AK can approach the modularity of the AR platform. Because the AR is from the US, and most civilian market for firearms is in the US, most third party products are made for the AR. The aftermarket for the AK is impressive, given how large of a disadvantage it started with.

>>29377911
>>29378763
Retail modality.. I wouldn't trade my polytech for a SCAR. I appreciate qualities of the firearm outside of your "operational capability"

Everyone has ARs faggot. I actually shoot mine. I'm sure your just dump money into yours and twirl around imagining how "sooooo badass" you are.

You are the male version of the fat asexual bitch that orders crystals from yogimaster Ellen.

>>29378820
Opie said AR, not just the M16A1

When I built my AR a couple of the boutiquey components, that I later sold, actually came with some metrosexual handmade organic paper tags and shit hahaba

What a bunch of faggots

Ahhh I need to go roll around in cold war era molot drums on surplus crates. Crylic bakes and stick packing oil.

Hey you need more milk AR faggot

AK SHIT ONLY A FAGGOT LOSER WHO DOESN'T KNOW A FUCKING THING WOULD THINK IT'S BETTER! FUCKING RETARDS!

I used to argue with one of my co-workers who was an retired SF snipah about the two guns. He was hell set on the AK being better. But arguably it was because he was in one of the SF units that hasn't actually done anything since the 80's and anyone is susceptible to fuddlore. I should hunt him down and grab a beer with him.

I would rather have an AK pistol than an AR pistol. In carbine configuration I would rate them similar, and in a full length barrel the AR would be my pick. But honestly I'm here to shitpost so fuck ALL AK'S THEY'RE SHIT! IF YOU USE THEM YOU'RE A FUCKING SLAVABOO WEEABO FAGGOT BITCH!

>>29378719
vz58 is also the least reliable of all x39 guns including 7.62x39 AR-15s.

>>29379035
>citation/explanation badly needed
And don't cite something involving a vz2008, which isn't a vz58.

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Why am I even here
OP is a fag
Sage

>>29378964
>AK pistol
In 7.62x39 you're better off chucking rocks

>>29379766
AR fag detected. All brochure no swag

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>>29379787
Anon don't argue with physics. This is out of a normal 16" AK barrel. Out of the Dracos or whatever else it's going to be worse.

I don't even own an AR.

>>29379830
>trajectory
>pistol
>AR faggot confirmation
>muh chart, muh physics
>muh lack of logic

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>>29379870

>>29379888
Classic suburban development AR /nogunz mentality anon. Thanks for the posts.

Enter exhibit A above.

>>29378158
>I rally wish there was a larger variety of platforms, especially in the US
But the US has the the largest variety to pick from. Unless some snowflake country like Switzerland has us beat...

>>29379766
7.62x39mm is pretty meaty for a rifle round, all that weight will help keep it lethal enough to matter. Range will be balls though.

5.45 and 5.56 rely on high speed, and are thus actually pretty shit from short barrels, poor range, poor ballistics, very loud and lots of fire. This is fun, but not practical.

The AKs-74U gets no love from anyone who does frontline combat, because it has such a short barrel that it has no reach, and has poor power, Soviet Special Forces ignored it and stuck with the AKs-74 because it had range and power they could rely on.

>>29370846
Huh? It seems to me that this set of pictures of the 5.56 fired into pig flesh from different distances shows how fucking deadly the round can be. All that fragmentation shows how much energy gets passed into tissues at those velocity. Makes sense to me.

Even with the round losing half its velocity, I still wouldn't want to get hit by it.

>>29380341
I wouldn't want to get hit by .22 short out of a derringer. Getting shot is not pleasant.

>>29370707
Different anon, I used to have it screen capped but I guess not anymore. Colt saw the dust test and went WTF so they recreated the test, but with the understanding of how the burst mechanism works and the M4 placed 2nd behind the SCAR I believe. Google colt m4 dust test and that will give you the source you are looking for.

>>29380186
Aks-74U is made for crews so they have something thats better than an automatic pistol.

Not for general combat

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>>29370784
Just for you.

Sometimes I feel like the perpetuation of myths about "whatever America's service rifle is at the time" since the cold war started is a psy-op from the russians, like that "american" soldier shooting a koran with a fucking saiga, in a uniform we don't use and with an accent that is decidedly unamerican.

Is this too tinfoil? I mean they also originated the myth that the US invented AIDS, and all the fluoride shit. Sap our resolve in various ways because they simply can't compete fairly.

>>29369825

AR
>Expensive for non-state actors or
>Up for debate
>True
>Kek
>Adopted by everyone willing or able to suck the West's increasingly-shrinking cock

AK
>Plentiful supply of spares, spare parts, and ammunition from every Third-World shithole from here to Timbuktu
>Open system, surprise surprise, gets fucky when someone intentionally sprays freezing water / mud directly onto the bolt. Easily fixed with using the safety + racking it a few times
>Vast, cheap amounts of both calibers still kill million-dollar gearqueers, kebabs, and tribals with mind-numbing regularity

Try winning a war on something other than your mother's debit card, ARfags.

>>29369825
1930s manufacturing techniques vs. 1960s

>>29381547
The psy-op is making retards believe the AK is superior, hoping the retards will keep using the AK instead of something better.

It feeds into their nationalist tendencies and can be shattered if you feel like it.

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you faggots are worse than /v/ and their console wars

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>>29381841
>implying we aren't the same generation that started /v/'s console wars, now old enough to buy the gats we loved in those old games
You know it's true.

>>29369997
Things that never happened :The Post

>>29369825
Most people don't consider guns other than the AR and the AK.

This is the same reason piston ARs exist.

Even though there are much better, lighter, better balanced guns that are simpler to clean such as the Daewoo, people get piston ARs because of the DI is unreliable meme.

Unless you just like the retro cool factor of AKs, or you want to shoot 7.62x39 really badly there's no reason to get an AK.

It should be between ARs, Sigs, Daewoos, SCARs, etc.

You know, modern weapons that aren't completely obsolete.

The fact that AKs are good for untrained illiterate peasants because they tolerate loose magazine tolerances and have a high degree of parts compatibility is meaningless to most people, the AR is better for armorers because it doesn't require a press to replace the barrel.

>>29379830
>individual trajectory graphs being valuable
maybe if your gun is glued to a non-adjustable lead sled and all angle of fire adjustments & easy kentucky windage are out the window

>>29378131
I've browsed for around four years.
I have seen AK people being fags, and they have made threads, but the sheer amount has been surpassed greatly by the amount of ARfags making threads (at least as of late)

>>29370701
According to /k/, yes, this is how you are supposed to do things.

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>>29382145
Because, in emulation of the idolized faggot russians, the AK crowd always screamed the equivalent of PROOFS when someone wrote out why the AR's system isn't bad and actually better than the AK in more ways than accuracy.

Recently videos of people /k/ more or less trusts have provided proof. AK posters were less than gracious about this, I mean tearing the video makers apart with ad homs and showing that they obviously hadn't even watched the videos they were critiquing.
>they didn't even test the AR with the dust cover off!
they did though
>they injected mud into the barrel of the AK!
they did not
>they used different muds!
same day shooting, same wheelbarrow of mud

I saw it. I tried calmly talking to these types but it quickly became obvious that anything that didn't fit their preconceptions, which were entirely based on myths, was not kosher.

I am still talking about it calmly, but I think alot of AR posters decided to just fight fire with fire by being just as antagonizing.

It's weird because /akg/ can usually keep pretty civil, then again they all mostly love AKs the most in /akg/ (no surprise). /arg/ would likely be just as civil if it's tripfaggots, and their post counts, were as low as /akg/'s. Maybe this just says something for the popularity of ARs right now?

Then again, /brg/ is worse than hell usually, and that is only because of a small amount of tripfags. /brg/ is non-partisan to any weapon other than the big 3 too.

Whatever it is, we'd all do better if we could stop being inflammatory for the sake of it and keep it to just trying to be funny aswell as providing thoughtful posts.

Enjoy this turtle.

>can 7.62 kill
>yes
>can 5.56 kill
>yes

Both guns will kill, what does it matter? Some AK's and some AR's are more reliable than others. I own both, and both work flawlessly even when I get them dirty.

No matter what gun you carry, or how expensive it was, a $0.20 bullet is going to kill you. Who cares what gun it was fired out of?

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>>29381619
>easily fixed when using the safety
Apparently dirt doesn't believe in the "impenetrable AK safety"

Taken from the dirt test video posted in OP

Because my ak is fun as hell to shoot.

If it was shtf then I'd grab my AR sure, but that doesn't mean an AK isn't enjoyable. Besides, no reason you can't have both unless you fail at budgeting.

>>29369825
There's a reason why AKs are so popular and its because of two highly practical reasons
They're cheap and even a bushman can maintain an AK by wiping the shit off of it every 10 years.
You're as autistic as those kids that claims to know the "best" tank of WW2

>>29382716
Shit, this guys from Oregon? Never I thought I'd see the day when Oregon would BTFO of the AK.

>>29382716
Last time I checked they weren't using Arsenal AKs in the rest of the world. That test is retarded as a truly unbiased test would be to test multiple ARs and AKs that are of the most common type which are usually military surplus. Those niggers that designed that test obviously didn't take a single laboratory science class.

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>>29369825
Because people like them, and not everyone takes it upon themselves to be an eleet oparator like the AR's annoying vocal minority.

Sincerely, FN FAL.

>>29382796
>no true scotsman
Deal with it, Dimitriy. An AK literally failed a firt shot dry dirt test where an AR succeded for an entire magazine.

>>29382754
Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

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>>29382448
Thanks for the turtle.

Honestly though, I mean, as an AKfag who hasn't ever shot an AR, I admire the system.
I come and argue and say shot I don't necessarily actually believe about ARs in a blind rage.

I, for one, would like to anonymously apologise for some of the awful, hateful, ignorant shot I've said about ARs.
I honestly hope that someday we could all live in a semi agreeable state of in argument (or at least logical and organized argument, instead of the incessant shitflinging these threads always devolve into)

However I still maintain that an AK is more reliable.
I have personally never experienced any form of jam with my own AK, one built from a busted to hell parts kit with a sledgehammer and a file to ensure the fit of the parts.
I've gone through almost a thousand rounds (lost track somewhere around 700, and I've been shooting a few times since) with the cheapest shittiest stuff I could find.
So...take it for what you will.

Also, enjoy a sexy PCC AR.

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>>29377570
>An M16A1 with a full combat load is miles ahead of a loaded Nugget or an AKS with maybe 12 rounds in the magazine and no spare

>>29370697
Shit that's never happened: The Post part 2

I've always known AKs are shit. That's why only slavs use them.

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>>29369825
>>29369825
>>29369825
Amazing bait thread, so many replies, keep up the great work!
>pic related, it's your reward, no need to thank me!

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>>29383257

>>29369825
>But why do people still say AKs are worth it?
because they are too poor for anything better than a WASR

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ik its b8 but cant help but notice what countries do and dont use ar or ak shit places use ak not ar like africa

They looks cool

>>29370156
>m16 users blame malfunctions on ammo
>dont realize m16 isnt as reliable and useful as almost any other known gun
>dont realise that the best ARs are the C7A2s

>>29383358
>its b8
Why do people always say this? Just because it's ripping on something doesn't mean it's a troll or bait.

fucking hugbox faggots want everything to be smoke and mirrors.

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>>29382796
>That test is retarded as a truly unbiased test would be to test multiple ARs and AKs
I wouldn't call it retarded because at best most of us only own one AR and one AK, so it is hard for the average person to do the test the way you want. I would call it too small of a test bed, but I wouldn't insult the tester (not that you necessarily were, but it can easily be extrapolated that way). Yeah PC crap, but that's only as bad as the shitflinging at the worst.

That being said, I agree we need a larger test bed. Only way I can see us getting this done correctly is if more than a few of us volunteer to let our ARs and AKs be abused for testing (no permanent damage) at one of the /k/ meetups.

Do you think that is doable?

Would enough /k/ommandos be willing to to meet at the same time and test had their guns tested in the exact same conditions on the same day?

>>29383504
I would be willing to try these tests with all of my guns

But I have neither an AK or an AR. I have a nugget and a Remington 1100.

>>29383565
Well I have both, and I'd let them be used.

How many rounds need to be fired, per individual weapons, for an effective test?

>>29383582
I would say at least one mag change. Considering we aren't the government with a bottomless wallet of taxpayers keeping it to 60 rounds would also save money.

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>>29370009
>the test you mentioned was rigged.
And when akfags say this test was rigged you laugh.
>such double standards anon.

>>29383653
>And when akfags say this test was rigged you laugh.
How was the test rigged? Same mud, same day, different rifles.

It's not double standards at all.

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>>29383618
Not saying this is a must, but wouldn't 20 rounds divided between two magazines be good enough?

Also we need to have some magazine standardization for this to be a test of the rifles and not the magazines.

I suggest we figure out who brought the best magazines before testing, then use those same 4 magazines (2 for AR, 2 for AK) in every rifle.

Make sense?

>>29383653
If you're talking about the M4 dust test that counted bursts functioning correctly as a failure, then yes that test was bad.

>>29383711
20 rounds has a different pressure than 30 rounds on the bolt. It might make an impact.

Magazines need to be agreed upon yea. We can't have AK Fagpul mags vs. AR Fagpul mags and call that fair.

>>29383711
Should we use the exact same ammo in each rifle, or just use whatever the owners supply and say works?

Obviously the former is more scientific, but will be harder to coordinate with a bunch of anons.

>>29383743
We'll just load 30, but only shoot 10 per mag.

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Ak strong ak best

>>29383754
I would say something like 7.62x39 PPU and 5.56x45 PPU would be best. Agreed upon rounds, like 7.62x39 Gold Tiger and 5.56x45 Federal or something would be second best. Worst case is somebody brings match ammo and the other has Wolf steel case kek.

>>29383768
Good idea. If something is going to go wrong at round 30 it will probably go wrong at round 10 anyway.

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>>29383796
We should come up with some copypasta we can just post in any /k/ meet-up thread.

>state case for why this is a good idea
>lay out the general guidelines
>???
>seriously is there anything else?

Hopefully we can get a few different meet ups to repeat the test with at least 5 of either rifle.
This could potentially be better testing than any of the single youtube videos.

Judicious recording of all the variables at the individual tests will make or break it
>ammo used
>each rifle's exact specs
>magazines decided on

>even ambient temperature would be nice to have recorded
>tests in areas freezing conditions and tests in hot conditions
>test in humid places, tests in arid places

We have meet ups already in all these conditions, and this is relatively easy since we'd be spreading the work load over several groups.

Why HAVEN'T we done this yet?

>>29384367
Because we're uncoordinated and forgetful shitheads.

Definitely bring this up if a /k/ meetup is in your area and don't forget to take evidence (with opsec of course). It would be invaluable for any set of weapons really.

>>29384445
Well I'll make a pasta, but it'd be better if I got some critique of it before blasting it any meetup thread. Figure QTDDTOT would be the place for that, or the various generals?

>>29384514
QTDDTOT would be good for general guidelines of the test and the generals would be good for the optimum specs/ammo/mags/etc

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>>29384555
Trips confirms, thanks mang I'll be working on it.

>>29384570
Sweet deal I can't wait to see it come to fruition. Maybe even add it to the do/k/ument.