Is there a reason why modern police forces seem to prefer

80s kungfu dojos fooled them that tonfas were cooler than traditional dildo truncheons

>>29278089
Because they work. No stick fags please go.
LOL jk senpai I feel ya

>Carrying fixed batons
>Not expandable Bonowi or Peacekeeper RCB
>wewlad/7

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>>29278082
>bullpup clubs

easier to hang with their belts
can be held in a guard position to deflect blows
easier to prod people when you're in a testudo

>>29278082
Bullpup club!

>>29278082
My local police used to issue normal batons, but an officer could carry a PR-24 (I think thats what they are called) if they took an additional course.

I had a nightshift job, and I asked an off duty cop (working security) why he carried that version. He stated that he liked the option of having a "shield", and that swinging it out as a strike was really effective. It had more options, and he could use it like a normal baton just as well.

He called it "the puppy", and sometimes he would come up and tell me that he had to feed the "puppy" that day (when he walloped someone with it).

>>29278868
>bonowi
Shit lacked mass

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>>29278082
So a whole new generation of LEOs can do the TR-8R boogie.

They stopped using them in the 90's because they learned it's easier to shoot everything.

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>>29279289

>>29279210
Dad carried one while on the beat in the 90s. He used it to great effect while intimidating fighting drunkards and other unsavory types. His Maglite would come in handy in a pinch though...

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>>29279289

>>29279289
Sad but seeming true

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>>29279289

>>29279210
How much damage does it doe on average?

>>29278082
Some departments still don't allow collapsible batons. Old and outdated policies.

>>29281597
Not him, but you can easily kill someone if you hit them in the head. We are taught to use them to disable the hands/arms (shatter and break the bones)

>>29279289
Seriously. My local police only carry guns and tasers.

>>29281597

About 10 DPS.

You can get another +5 against blacks if you have the LEO trait.

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Baltimore PD still carries these fucking bad boys

>>29281623
Ouch.

>>29281623
Who teaches that? The MONADNOCK® EXPANDABLE BATON (MEB) course/certification teaches the use of a baton for pain compliance. You're never taught to use a baton to break bones. The only, the only, way could be acceptable is if you're using your baton to confront a deadly threat, which in this case you should really work up the force continuum and transition to your firearm.

>>29281818
If we break bones it's not a problem department policy wise. We are supposed to use it for pain compliance on suspects actively resisting but our nonlethal instructor made it pretty clear sometimes shit happens and it's not always your fault if someone get a broken wrist because they were trying to resist.

>>29281861
Department policy wise?? The civil courts look at things beyond policy. You will quickly find yourselves named in a 1983 lawsuit and god help you if a pattern emerges and you end up in the cross hairs of the DOJ's office of civil rights.

Graham v. Connor looks at excessive force claims through objective reasonableness and today's evidence almost always includes cell phone video from someone. Every has a camera in their pocket and they're more than willing to whip it out when the police are around and arresting someone. It's really hard to dispute video and argue objective reasonableness.

used to carry a PR-24 as a security guard, along with S&W cuffs, Sabre foam, a 4D maglite, and a backup collapsible ASP in my vest. Some might say it was overkill, but I had used every piece of gear I carried at least once.

But ill be damned if i ever have to try and sit down wearing a PR-24 again.

>>29281818
The "use of force" curriculum talks about "RED, YELLOW, and GREEN" zones on the body (red being potentially lethal or long-term debilitating effects)

>>29282060
What a horrible post this is

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>>29282084
MEB teaches red, yellow, green zone on the body. The Use Of Force Continuum charts that are often used use colors to show the escalation in lethality of the force being used.
Blue>Green>Yellow>Orange>Red
Professional>Tactical>Threshold>Harmful>Lethal

The move through the continuum is not linear either.

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http://www.armynavyshop.com/prods/rc10070.html#.Vunhh0DRazk

>new york state law
>cannot be sold in NY unless customer has an FFL

>nightstick
>FFL

Fuckin Jew York man

>>29282149
Thanks for sharing so little.

>>29282163
I'll never understand why they chose to put shins and the backs of hands as green.

A baton will shatter the fuck out of your hand, and shins are both largely unprotected by muscle and very easy to break since they're planted on the ground.

>>29282335
Its worse with the metal of the expandable batons too

>>29282335
The MEB color chart is looking at lethality of the strike. While a strike to the back of the hand, even a light strike, will break bone and cause injury the injury will not be fatal. My favorite hit zones are the thigh and the triceps.

>>29282397
Look at the definition of the yellow zones.

Hands and shins should absolutely be yellow, because broken bones are definitely a "moderate to serious" level of trauma.

>>29282410
I agree, they should be yellow.

>>29281650
Ah, the good ol' niggerbeater.

>>29281597
Getting hit with a baton isn't pleasant but you have to remember they are considered a less lethal tool, you can club the shit out of somebody with a baton and they can still live without life changing injuries unless its a freak accident or you target the right areas and really try to hurt the person

A determined person can shrug off a lot of hits from light police batons

>>29282662
Haha I call my collapsible baton my nigger beater

>>29281650
Hell yea, I have an old one from the fine city of pittsburgh. Fairly well scarred, I like to think it cracked a few coon skulls bitd. Gotta find a new lanyard for it.

>>29284271
haha ;)

>>29284271
Not like that. I'm a white law abiding citizen and the fucking espantoon scares me. You see a cop flipping that at Camden Yards and you mind your p's and q's

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>>29282662
>Niggerbeater

>>29286529
are you that new to the world? Also it can refer to a maglite d cell as well.

>>29279289
Chicago Police still carry them. I hope to clear the background examination so one day I can carry one and beat a shines head in.

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>>29278082

It makes it easier to keep your hands clean when you're using it to sodomize Haitian migrant workers.

>>29282060
Shut up, faggot. Create another EDC thread.

>>29287066
And growing up, that's what my circle of friends called any blunt object with some heft to it. Still do in fact.

>>29287172
Cool story bro.

>>29282064
This.
They look cool and all, but fuck getting in and out of cars with one on your belt. Office chairs too.