/brg/ Battle Rifle General

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>history
im more excited for the future in all honesty

>>29272530
Your future with a drugrug?

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>>29272539
shits pretty comfy

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>>29272478
History is cool.

>>29272544
Most jackets are.

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>>29272478
best part about the op image is there is no ptr

manlets can only look on

>>29272555
that's too sweet dude

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this is my imbel FAL kit i built on a Coonan receiver. it works great i still need to refinish it and polish the hand guards. oh also my Argentine browning hi power. setting the head space on the FAL is a bitch by the way. I also broke my bench vise putting the barrel on the receiver because it took like 240 pounds of torq to get it timed correctly.

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>>29272982
>i still need to refinish it

I kind of like the two tone on the back and the wear up front. It's strange but I would keep it personally.

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>>29272530
Drugrug 2 cool; gotta get me one.

>>29272890
Am manlet; cannot confirm.

>>29272982
Finish wear is sexy tho.

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>>29273027
>>29273102
yea it dose look pretty cool.
here is another pic.

What are your thoughts on 16in .308 battle rifles?

>>29273139
if your gunna use a 16 inch barrel why not just use a smaller round like a 7.62x39?
i really think minimum barrel length for a 308 battle rifle should be like 20" so you can burn all the powder and get all that velocity.

>>29273139
It's not ideal but will work. I prefer 18 inches.

>>29273172

Really you only gain +-50fps between 18-20in. To me that's not worth it. But the 350-400fps you get between 16-18 is.

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>>29272478

I'm offended the SR25/AR10 / L129A1/M110 isn't in that pic.

It is serviced, deployed and fits the definition.

If there is a pic, can the /brg/, for once, have one in it.

It's not like its the "Lambo" of the gun world or anything...guess its more like the "Ron Paul 2012" gun.

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>>29273225
yea 18" is better then 16" but i like the 20".

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>>29272478
say I would like to get myself a fal, what would you guys reccomend?

>>29273252
Those are all FN rifles.
Not sure what the second from the left is, is it a 49 with a box mag?

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>>29273882

Doesn't matter, they are always rifles Other than SR25/AR10 types. Sucks my rifle platform is rarely shown/mentioned in OP.

>>29273882
>Those are all FN rifles.
Far left is an M1 Garand; center-left is an M1A.

>>29273933
You are right, I am blind.

>>29273172
>>29273225
>>29273176
>>29273254

The only reason I ask is because my local pawn shop has a 16in .308 saiga for 1000usd out the door.

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Who needs a paddle mag release?

>>29273225
You know nothing Jon snow
http://rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/

>>29274093
>chinweld

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>>29275104
I personally thought it was weirder that he was shooting left handed.

>>29275123
Maybe he's a lefty

>>29273794
Para FAL

>>29275159
>Pair o' FALs.
FTFY

>>29275159
Dsa para or find an israeli sex machine

>>29275682
DSA if para
Izzy if HB

Thoughts on an armalite def-10 buildup?

>>29275738
Good for base rifle. If the barrel doesn't shoot at least 1.5moa I'd change that early. One of the few 308 ARs with an FA.

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How big of a fag am I if I put an AR buffer tube on a PTR91?

>>29275765
>One of the few 308 ARs with an FA.
As far as I know it is the only 308 with a FA. DPMS has soft bolt closure devices for hunting purposes but they aren't true FAs per my reading.
Essentially my reason for choosing it though.

>>29275905
Other option is a falkor defense receiver set.

>>29272691
showusyurbutthole.

>>29272555
How is that second bottom guns clip so big??? aren't high capacity clips illegal?

>>29275839
The absolute biggest. You want an adjustable stock? Buy an HK collapsible.

>>29275964
I see you don't like cheek welds.

I like my Aussie SLR1

>>29275954
>clip

>>29275977
Stick with the standard stock then. Buffer tubes look like shit on PTR's.

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>>29272478
>no G3 style battle rifle in OP's pic
Passive aggressive :)

>>29276166
cuz G3's are just shitty FALs made cuz Belgium didn't want to arm the country that had invaded it twice in the past 50 years

>>29272530
>Voyager

Okay you got a good deal

>didn't change out the rear sight

Disgusting

>>29272982
>240 lbs

you're supposed to use a spacer senpai

>>29276195
First it was PTRfags who always used to shitpost.

Now its FALfags.

>>29273252
Because it's been proven that they're not as good as people think
I forget who did it but they tested a bunch of battle rifles in full auto and said the FAL was the only one that didn't completely wash out the world when you shot it
He said you couldn't focus on anything but keeping the gun controlled on the G3, M14, or AR10

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>>29276195
FAL has been dead for many decades now and G3 is still in service around the world. Even when taking out the most obvious endless African and South American countries + Iran and Saudis even western countries still have stockpiles of them and huge amounts in active use like Denmark, Sweden, Estonia, of course Germany, etc.

FALs on the other hand are just ded.
>muh 3rd world
G3 has even more of those and the civilized countries too.

>>29276265
just because armies use a gun doesn't make it good.

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I'm really tempted to cut my PTR91 down to 16 inches, put a silencer on it and a FAB defense tri-rail on it.

Stop me from wasting money, help.

>>29276275
This, the US still has M14s in service, doesn't meant they're any better than G3s or FALs.

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Superior aesthetics and function.

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>>29276195
It's funny because: >>29274093 and this are pictures from the raids in Brussels, Belgium today.

>>29276265
Belgians dont typically make super cheap stamped mass production friendly shit sooo...
Maybe that has something to do with g3s spread. Also if they straight up said no to germany what makes you think they didn't say no to many other nations? Those belgians just seem to not give a fuck.

>>29276276
>16 inches
>your pic

try again friendo, that looks like a fucking 10 inch barrel tops.

>>29276492
I remember that
All these operators with SCARs hiding and the one off duty cop returning fire with his Browning Hi Power

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>>29276492
>>29276499
And bunch of soldiers with guess what.

Those SCARs are so juxtapositioned.

>>29276490
Who said the firearm pictured was 16 inches you twat?
Lurk moar post less.

>>29276551
you realize that G3s are cheap and reliable, right?
they're also still in production so go figure a poor ass country would buy a gun that's still being made that's cheap

what is your point even

>>29276029
>Buffer tubes look like shit on PTR's.
>putting function behind form

>>29276613
>I fuck men so I don't have to worry about women's challenges

~u
Faggot

Looking at building an FAL.

Having trouble deciding between an Austrian STG-58 (wood butt, bipod) or an Imbel FAL (black handguards and butt) style

>>29276613
If you want to do the shoe function > form debate, why not just get an AR-10 and be done with it, since its arguably more practical

>>29276722
Classic black FAL is best FAL

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>>29276735
>Classic black FAL is best FAL

gud 1

>>29276740
Nigger, I said FAL, not L1A1

Everyone knows wood is best if you want to play that game

>>29276740
>>29276759
>>29276735
r u guise sure

This is what the plan to build is
>kit is $750
>receiver is $300-400
>tools are $120

would be my most expensive gun
also my most bad ass

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>>29276759
Well I'm a playa nigga

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>>29276770
Fuck, forgot the pic. This is what it would be like at the end of the day.

>>29276770
the bipod and wood will make the rifle heavier
From what I hear the bipod makes it fairly end heavy as well
But if you're not a bitch niqqa then you should be fine

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Para-FAL is best FAL tbqh.

>>29276790
I love Paras, but every time I see a 21 inch I just think, why FN?
Why did you even bother?

>>29276776
I ain't no bitch nigga. I shoot my RPK offhand regularly, and that thing weighs 10lbs unloaded, most of the weight being in the 23in heavy barrel and bipod.

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>>29276770
>>29276774
If you're going to actually build it, then I'd say go for a Rhodie gun or something unique. I've seen a few pics of G1s with a full wood furniture set and they look fucking badass. Pic related

But if you want one of those two, I'd still say just go for the classic black.

>>29276773
Fair enuf

>>29276790
I like the look of Paras, but anything more than an 18 inch barrel on them looks like shit to me.

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>>29276871
I am a pic forgetter tonight

>>29276876
I think I might go with the STG58 kit, (which actually is a G1 kit, my mistake earlier) even though it is more expensive for the sole reason that the barrel assembly is already disassembled, and the barrel has the gas block installed and aligned. Since the only gunsmithing experience I have is assembling my M16A1 clone from a stripped upper and lower, I don't want to dive in too deep and wind up with $1000 in gun parts that will never be one.

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too much fal up in here. ca resident btw

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I need more pics of SBR'd G3s with suppressors

>>29276871
>most of the weight being in the 23in heavy barrel and bipod.
duh.
Get out of here bowtie.
>select drinks

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Are 6.5 and 6.8 considered BR calibres?

>>29276551
Those hats look fabulous and I ain't even a gearqueer.

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>>29277231
>Are 6.5 and 6.8 considered BR calibres?
NO

>>29276740
desu looks like ass and I usually like wood furniture

>>29277316
the polyurethane is too much, but that's how the guy bought it

>>29277231
Brazilian? No. Boutique sort of and yes. 6.5CM is seeing some adoption because despite being trend setting it isn't useless boutique shit like 6.5 Grendel. 6.8 is nonsense though, yes.

>>29277219
Not even a chin weld
Magwell grip

Why did you save that pic?

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>>29277855
Why?

>>29277231

6.5 Creedmoor Yes.
6.5 Carcano Yes.
6.5 Arisaka Yes.

6.5 Grendel. No.

>>29276490
You have military grade autism son.

>>29276613
>I need my PTR for speshul combat operations
>I'm a real opr8tor now
Get a grip man, there is literally no reason to ruin a perfectly good PTR with a buffer tube. This is the same kind of autism that puts buffer tubes on AK's, and folding stocks on AR's.

>>29278187
>Ruins the PTR
good one

And its not like he has to weld the reciever extension onto the rifle. It can be swapped back easily enough. You get way to worried about what someone else is going to do to their rifle.

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>>29278252
Remember, this is the kind of person you're arguing with.

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>>29278187
Pretty much this. If you are getting a cold war battle rifle it's kinda the deal to get your rocks off from aesthetically clean and stock looking guns.

Tacticool isn't a thing when your lugging around a full size full nato round rifle, you've throw that option out of the windows when got one.

Also you the the buffer tube/silenced SBR anon(s) you are gonna get bored of those in a week, traditional rifle looks objectively good for decades.

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>>29278278
>Its not a thing

>>29278311
Aside from that poor man's SCAR, how are the rhodesian chest rig reproductions?

M83 SADF-chestrigs have disappeared from the face of the Earth and I'm looking for some surplus chest rig that is suitable for 762 NATO mags and has that vintage feel.

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>>29278329
>Vintage feel
Got no clue. Not my pic. I prefer molle pouches. Maybe an older HSGI Silverthorne?

>>29275954
>CLIP

>>29272530
What butt stock variant is that?

>>29277307

What is the threshold for a BR round?

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>>29279194
I doubt there's some specific measurement, but IMO, it should launch a ~150gr bullet at least into the upper 2000's fps range. Or have equivilent power with a heavier bullet, so you might be launching a closer to 200gr bullet at more like 2400-2500 or so fps.

>>29275083
That was a good read, thanks anon

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>>29279334
NP.
I like good data. That and stopping the spread of fuddlore.

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>>29278107
because im a rhodieboo too but seriously that paint job is amazing and under rated

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>>29273252
>>29273916
In with AR-10

>>29280310
Which reticle?

>>29279263

So velocity should scale up with bullet weight for a battle rifle?

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>>29280324
The MOAR, Pic related

>>29280326
Well, it should have the ability to launch 150grain ~30cal bullet at 2700 or 2800fps at least. Or be able to create around that equivalent amount of energy in a heavier bullet.
There's no real scaling, I just consider that to be the amount amount of energy it should have.
But a battle rifle round depends more on the fact that it's shot through a battle rifle. I don't consider .300 winchester fuddenheimer ultra magnum to be a battle rifle round just because it meets power requirements.

>>29280484
Went milr with mine.
Moar is nice though too

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>>29274191
right here

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Dear FN

When will you release another batch of SCARs. 16s or 17s. I need more. One is just not enough. First prices went up, and because I'm a SCAR buyer, this didn't bother me. Now I just can find them. Please send some soon, or I might do something stupid like try to get an m14 and convert it to 6.5 creedmoor.

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H-hey /BRG/, c-can I come play??

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Can I play?

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>>29282213
no
>>29282216
no

>>29282269
Why not?? Semi auto and full sized cartridge.

>>29282286
>standard/general issue of a military at some point
>detachable magazines
>select fire
>full size round

Pick whatever yours didn't have.

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>>29282331
this but detachable magazine isnt a requirement even though personally i dont count the garand as a battle rifle

>>29282361
How can you not count a garand?

>>29282361
Select fire negates the garand. It's hard to say since there's no set definition. I generally think of them like assault rifles except with a full size round. The standard issue helps differentiate them from DMRs or other non standard things.

>>29282435
By that definition you can't count anything on here because nonew of them are select fire, only semi.

>>29282448
You know what I mean you dip.

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>>29282419
no external magazine it has a clipazine at best

The designation of battle rifle is usually given to post-World War II select fire infantry rifles such as the FN FAL, the M14 and the H&K G3.[1] This term also describes older military full-powered semi-automatic rifles such as the M1 Garand, the MAS-49 and the FN-49.

>>29282448
whats it like actually being retired?

>>29282493
It's pretty great, I'm not doing too bad retiring at the ripe old age of 22.

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>>29282528
nice i wish i was as retired as you

>>29282142
If only

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>>29278329
personally, I dig Chicom type 63 chest rigs.

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>>29283084
Don't worry, with all of the tax exemptions offered for the mentally ill you'll be retired in no time.

>>29282213
Yes
>>29282216
No

>>29283509
Can't catch a break . . .

>>29283622
No means no, go back to your milsurp thread.

>>29282213
Chop that barrel and get some MG13 mags; then we'll talk.

How autistic would it be to paint an AR10 rhodie colors?

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Think I'm gonna aervoe my scope with a different shade of brown, then the whole rifle with a little green using a mesh bag to leave the brown visible.

>>29284953
Nope, it's a battle rifle.

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>>29284994
like 4/10 autism

>>29285019
they arent

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>>29277855

Neat array.

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>>29280829
I just ordered 10 CETME mags from J&G; now you just have to buy a pre-B Vz.75 and we can be best buddies.

>>29285069
>cetme mags
>PTR

You're going to have a bad time

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>>29285069
nice gripzoneTM by the way

>>29285041
Are too!

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>>29285460
I read internets; the odds are ever in my favour.

>>29285526
Thanks fampai; nice to be noticed.

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>>29279263
WE BATTLE RIFLE NOW
MOVE OVER KEKS, SUPERIOR 300 BLACKOUT COMING THREW

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>>29279263
WE BATTLE RIFLE NOW
MOVE OVER KEKS, SUPERIOR 300 BLACKOUT COMING THREW

>>29285717
Insufficient velocities

>>29285717
>>29285762
Error posting my ass

>>29285769
I can get around the 2400 fps range with hand loads

>>29285717
Lol look at tiny magwell! Is tiny like little girl! That poster must be of tiny penises and want something small for him to be make deviant capitalist sexes with!

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>>29285717
>>29285797
lol intermediate scum

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>>29285717
>>29285762

Sometimes short and fat is ok...no one ever says short and fat Always bad, still, Larger is better, no?

>>29286100
>338
Why not just go .358 Winchester?

>>29275839
>ptr91
>that rear sight
Nope

>>29286176
I think he was just using it as an example. It's definitely a C308 though.

>>29286135
.338 has a much flatter trajectory and less recoil while propelling a 200gr bullet at M80 ball velocities from the same length barrel.

Thanks to some fucking wizardry .338Fed with 200gr bullets kicks indistinguishably from .308win with 175SMK's while being higher velocity. On the flip side .358 is pretty punishing, worse than .300wm.

I'd like to own a semi rifle in all the .338 family
>.338 whisper mk2 for intermediate
>.338 Federal for modern fullsize
>.338-06 Ackley for fitting something that shits on .338WM in a Garand

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>>29286135

> 2400fpsvs2700
> 3000ft/lbsvs3600

Ive never seen that caliber at a store, I already own fairly "wildcat" enough calibers, 338 is in the middle, in multiple ways, except short range hammer damage. I don't take buying a system to shoot a hard to find/custom order ammo lightly.

If I did, it would be
.45 Raptor. Walk around like a Terminator, one hit killing er'thang.

>>29286237
BC of the 200gr pills leaves something to be desired. But I get it. Building a .358 FAL for lulz, well, lulz and bears. I like .338 spectre and norma

>>29286253
If only 45 raptor was .458 not .451
The .450 marlin ARs can't fit full capacity in mags alas.

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>>29286274

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>>29286289

Sheeeit, money solves all issues. I thought the point of life was to solve the world's problems with "our" solutions, ergo, money is the goal since its the problems solver.

>>29286334
Mag ribs might preclude 450 raptor in that.

>>29286274
Oh yeah the 200gr .338's are fucking abysmal BC, but to me that's not the point of the gun. I have one with a 22" barrel and low-mag variable that's my bear/elk-in-cover gun.

Hi guys, If I were in the market for an FAL should I buy from DSA or should I get a parts kit.
Also does anybody make an 80% FAL receiver, thanks

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>>29286370
it depend on whether you want an sa58 or not really if so buy dsa prebuilt if not go prebuilt kit for desired model type

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>>29286352

Stop letting others limits become yours, Beta.

Force reality to fit YOUR ideal state. Is this your weapon or your thesis' subject matter?

>>29286364

Irrelevant. This is a <300m, hammer-cannon, for neighborhood 'smashing'.

This is not a "sneaky hunting" weapon. Each caliber has a place.

>>29286427
Yeah I feel ya on that. Mine's definitely also a <300m gun, its whole point was being able to DRT large and potentially dangerous game while weighing under 6.5lbs with optic and not shreking my shoulder due to being a sub-6.5lb gun.

I would like an AR10 in it though.

>>29286370
No 80% receivers
Prebuilt or kit build is fine.

>>29286391
is there that big of a difference?

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>>29286427
My will for a semi auto 500gr lead delivery system with drum mags isn't very strong. Limited use. If I'm going to go full snowflake it would be something like 7mm short mag with berger hybrids.

BC is sublime

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>>29286450

What, my SR25, w/spare 338FED barrel, isn't good enough for you? Armalite4Life?

>>29286495

> 500gr

Jee...I'm just a kid, Mr., I can't shoot that.

>>29286391
>>29286370
Dsa makes several models, not just sa58 homedizzle. Get a para model which they make legit as fuck.

How much do Belgium made FN FALs go for now a days? I saw one at my nearest cabelas yesterday, was a little surprised

>>29287043
Did you think an actual belgian fal would be cheap ayyy lmao. Do you think and actual hk91 would be less than 2g's because ptrs are ~800? Dude theres a reason poeple do builds and clones. Even those clones run at least 1k. At least.

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>>29285069
CETME mags are so damn aesthetic. Sheeiiit nigger buy a Hi Power so we can go full Mike Hoare. And thanks for making me hate myself for getting the 16" barrel every time you post your bayonet fixed. I'm jelly

>>29285637
Cetme mags sit too high

>>29287211
That didn't answer my question in the slightest. I was surprised simply because I didn't expect to see one sitting there, wasn't commenting on the price..
You are still open to answering the actual question though.

>>29286370
>80% FAL receiver
>woodruff cutting steel on your shitty drill press

faggot

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>>29287461
not true, CETME mags work in my rifle fine.

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Was full auto ever really used with battle rifles?

>>29288140
The L1A1 was specifically made NOT full auto for a reason

>>29280642

Yea they are pretty much the same, it just comes down to preference and I like the floating reticle in the middle.

What is yours on?

>>29276286
>M14s

No they don't, they had accuracy issues in Iraq and dropped them like a hot potatoe for longer barrel ARs and SCAR-H and M110 for JSOC you dunce.

>>29288372
See
>>29284995

>>29288140
>>29288281
Australians in vietnam used the Americans m16 for the scouts/pointmen for a fully automatic capable rifle to dump a panic mag when contacted, which their L1A1 did not have the option of

>>29288527
>long barrel ar's
>sr25
>m110
>any ar variant ever
I don't know why the us military insists on using meme guns. Talk to any marine or seamen that has used an sr25 or m110 and they will tell you how unreliable and shitty they are. Scar is best raifu desu senpai.

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>>29287327
>hate myself for getting the 16" barrel
Nah Anon; looks totally with the wood furniture. You should get an A4 stock for maximum fallschirmjaeger.

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>>29288899
those stocks make my dick hard, wish I could find someone with one for me to try out before I fork over 2 hundred bucks.

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Is it sameful to just order a receiver instead of bending the flat I have?

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>>29287327
hey there, mr lumbersexual operator.

>>29290322
Nah, just get that thing built.

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>>29290322
Your already building a cetme...

>>29290345
I-i-its a saudi g3 not a cetme....

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>>29290350
six of one, half dozen of another.

>>29290366
Whut

>>29290402
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/six_of_one,_half_a_dozen_of_the_other

>>29290427
No u

>>29290366
but what of the beach horses?

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>>29290645
They are on holiday
Completely shagged out
Relaxing
Dont worry. Soon enough theyll be pining for the fjords.

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>>29290343
senpai pls

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>not having sick ink
>not being a doll?

>>29280310
That's one badass gun.

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>Tfw you finally buy one of your dream girls

>>29272555
Scope on a stormgeweir? Foreshame.

>>29287327
I thought you meant to say go full mike honcho.

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>>29292536
the shimpan?

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>>29292608
R u srs?

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Worth the buy?

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>>29292822
are those even for sale? i wouldnt trust the railed dust cover and just swap it for a dsa one off the bat

>>29292884

On Imbel's website they are showing the 5.56cal version.

http://www.imbel.gov.br/index.php/produtos/fuzis

No price or anything tho.

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>>29292608
bitches don't know bout dem IR spotlight sights

Thoughts on the PTR91?

>>29288281
>>29288140
So yes. Also the Israelis not being bitches made theirs heavy barreled with the shoulder thing that goes up lmao.

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>>29292956
dont

>>29292956
Good option if you're looking to get a G3 clone. Go for it.

>>29292901
Imbel has them for sale. Youd have to get them to sell to you, get an importer, ATF approval, etc.
So in short, no, you cant buy one.

>>29292956
Ignore the shitposting like: >>29292994 That's not even a PTR and he knows it. PTR makes some good stuff.

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>>29292964
Izzys werent the only ones with HB variants. And not all izzys are HB.

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>>29292994

Again, bro?

I mean, it's a FA91, not even a PTR. I just chuckle at this point because I'm aware of the fact that it's just to assblast PTR owners, but don't spread disinformation to people looking to buy a first BR.


Hell, I hate G3 ergonomics and everything else, I'm a massive FALfag, but still.

On a completely unrelated note, has anyone cerakoted a FAL? The parkerizing on my imbel is worn through in a couple spots and I'm a big stickler when it comes to surface rust, especially since I live in 90% humidity for 90% of the year.

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>>29293083
Havent, but its a known thing thats fine to do.
Ordered a duracoat kit to get my scope done up here shortly, so I can get the whole rifle done.

Just take your time with the tape and the usual more thin coats trumps fewer thick coats.

>>29292536
What is that and why are you posting it here?

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>>29292956
Embrace the meme.

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>>29293124
So would it be prudent to remove all the parkerizing before applying a new finish?

>>29293047
I didn't imply that but the fact remains they made a variant, my favorite variant, specifically for sustained full auto so the answer to his question is yes.

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>>29293233
Nah. Just degrease the shit out of it first. Then do it again for good measure. Get some tape and an exacto knife, seal off what you dont want painted. Either go for a cammo pattern, or do the recievers in one color, and the small parts (trigger, takedown lever, etc) in a lighter color. If you go for a cammo pattern, practice it first. Cut a piece of cardboard out in something resembling a rifle.

There are plenty of walkthrough guides and videos out there.

>>29274093
>counter-terrorists win

>>29293304
If the best theyve got is a chin weld and a grip pod, dont be so sure.

>>29293425
Nah they did OK in those raids. Killed a suspect and got a bunch of explosives at least.

>>29272478
Anybody got experience with the FNAR? It looks pretty, like a modernized BAR (saw some images in that big BAR thread yesterday). How does it perform relative to the Big 3 (M1A, FAL, and G3)?

>>29295276
BAR as in the Browning hunting rifle yes.
As in two Nazis walk into a BAR, no.

It's accurate. Mags are expensive. You can swap out furniture if you don't like pistol grips.

>>29295380
Cosmetically the nuBAR/FNAR are close enough to the old BAR to elicit a certain amount of fondness from me. I know I want an autoloading raffle in .308, and I know I want it to have optics, and I know I want it to have capacity for at minimum 10 rounds.

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>>29292956
I love mine.

>>29295684
you suck; your opinions are invalid

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>>29295855
thats how i feel fampai

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>>29295910
Funny, a lot of people think >>29295855 about you fampai.

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>>29296086
but i at least own battle rifles so i dont care what other people think

>>29295647

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

>>29296173
True enough. No matter how much you shitposting sometimes, I'll always admit you have some nice rifles.

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>>29295910
>>29296086

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>>29296267
btw if you arent 14 year old anime girl that stance is actually terrible to try and use the gun

pls ignore the fog in my shitty glass door

>>29296173
that red dot needs to go

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>>29296299
but it holds sub 2 moa for 15 bux lol

>>29295910
nobody cares; you suck too
>>29296086
>>29296180
>>29296235
>>29296267
>>29296299
all of you suck; get out of my thread

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>>29296484
post your battle raifu then fampai

>>29296546
you suck; get out of my thread i will call the cops

>>29296586
Am I being detained?

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>>29296586
dont talk to me or my battle raifus ever again

>>29296629
what do you think of the downfall of the PDW?

>>29296651
Yet another thing HK fucked up.

>>29296715

How so? I'm ignorant of a lot of news and trends in the gun industry, considering I have yet to buy a rifle built within the last 40 years.

>>29298114
He's probably referring to HK developing their own PDW round instead of using FN's.

>>29298249
Oh, that wacky 4.6 or whatever?

>tfw belgian

I want a FAL and a SCAR-H so bad but fucking FN won't sell them on belgian civilian market
I'm going to have to settle for a SCAR-L

>>29289307
er de stovlene miltær-grad?

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>>29299736
The mousegun SCAR can be fun
But not as fun.
Condolences wafflebro

>>29272544
what kind of fal is that?

>>29299915
looks like an imbel parts kit on a type 1 receiver

>>29299915
DSA SA58 Voyageur.

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>>29299929
As other anon said, its a voyager.

But you can see the upper/lower mating is matching. The type III recievers used in imbels do not have the lightening cut like Type I/II do. The lowers match this. That rear sight, only used on voyagers.

I'm looking for the cheapest .308 battle raifu that will go boom consistently.

Highest priority:
>Cheap mags
>Good ergonomics
>Fairly accurate

Would prefer but not necessary:
>Muh history
>Polymer
>Controllable
>Not too heavy

>>29300046
I forgot to add that I don't really care about mounting optics or accessories with the possible exception of a bipod or something.

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>>29300046
>Cheap mags
>Good ergonomics
>Fairly accurate
ar10 it is then

>>29300046
>Cheap mags
How many do you see yourself buying?
G3 mags are cheap as fuck, and your going to get a lot of lemons.
>Good ergonomics
last round bolt hold open important?
Mind reaching out to the far end of the rifle to work the charging handle?
>Accurate
How accurate?

Realistically, AR10 fits your bill best. Can be built for like $600 and not be shit.

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>>29300046
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hkTcyy7Zb0
>it's modern
>it's not very heavy

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>>29300063
Also integrated bipod with wide handguard.

>>29299980
>>29299948
>>29299929
>>29299915

No carry handle on voyagers bro.

>>29300331
Integrateable you mean. Bipod doesn't come with any single model that I'm aware of and runs a few hundred bucks with a not uncommon price of 3 to 400 regularly.

>>29300358
It doesn't have a carry handle.

>>29300367
Yeah originals are 200-400 bucks and it's a perfect slip on to the handguard.

There are reproductions for under 100 bucks but they have been disappointments I hear. How hard is it to make a good repro out of the bipod, well made affordable ones would sell like hotcakes as every wide handguard owner would buy one for shits and giggles.

>>29300377
That's what im saying. A voyager is about the only fal you see nowadays with no carry handle. So seeing that in a fal in the future anon can correctly guess it's a voyager.

>>29300420
Yeah promag made the repros. Promag bro, promag. They were junk. Discontinued too.

>tfw FAL is by-name prohib
Don't have an image to display the right mixture of sadness and rage.

So I've settled on building an LR308.

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>>29300592

Where should I buy an m1a? I've heard shit spewed about going with springfield. Anyone have long term experience with them? I don't know if I really want to invest the massive chunk of money for the fulton armory one. Are there any middle of the road companies between these two with a reputable record?

>>29300933
Let me remind you and everyone here that even Fulton receivers are cast by the same source that Springfield uses. Canadian castings.

>>29300933
Rock-ola sells an M14 clone made to GI spec for about 2.2K

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>>29300933
>norinco

>>29272530
what boots?

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>>29300358
Indeed broseph, indeed

>>29300477
Most SA58s were made without carry handles. Wasnt a feature people who wanted a new made rifle wanted.

>>29301021
>norinco
>reputable
>available in burgerland

>>29301138
There's a few around here. They pop up on occasion, but the reliability is more in question.

>>29301151
A couple did make it down here.
With bolt as soft as butter

Not like my fellow murricans can walk into the lgs and ask for Norinco M305

>>29275839

That rifle looks pretty shit m80. Why don't you actually try to make it nice instead of like someones mistake.

>>29300984
Is this true or a shitpost? Can anyone confirm

>>29301416
Fulton themselves confirms they use cast recievers.

http://www.fulton-armory.com/m14-receiver-semi-automatic-fulton-armory.aspx

>Precision CNC Machined From “Lost Wax” Investment Casting

>>29301021
Yea, as previously stated I'm in burger land and cannot acquire norinco. Nor do I think I want one

>>29301113
More like where you can get that stoner hemp poncho.

>>29301016
But isn't that basically the same price as the fulton models? I knew fulton was over 2k last I looked. Can anyone with long term experience actually make a definitive statement about springfield? I know they have a good warranty but I don't want to have to be sending the rifle off constantly every time I take it to the range (that's am exaggeration I know). What to expect if I buy a springfield version?

>>29301490
So as far as the receiver goes no worries since they are the same? What about the other parts that people claim need to be usgi stuff? Does it really make a difference if I'm shooting less than 3000 rounds a year through it?

>>29301796
Few people here have m1as.
Your going to find second hand information here.

Your going to find a lot of cast parts. Mind you modern cast parts are not as bad as they used to be. Finding GI parts is harder and more expensive than most other battle rifles. If you really want one, be sure to put it through its paces if your a "muh SHTF" types.

>>29301796
>>29301820
>>29301837
M1A's with small part breakages and issues mostly come from new factory built rifles.

The simple fact is, new M1A's are not good to go because of Springfield Armory's reckless outsourcing of their small parts to Taiwan. The receivers are even cast in Canada of all places.

Springfield Armory Inc ran out of full USGI M14 parts kits to assemble M1A's with around 2003 and most of their leftover GI small parts in were put in rifles until 2005.

This is why I recommend buying a used, older M1A. You can get the rifle at a discount most of the time since it is used while having the nice bonus of M14 contract GI parts installed.

If anyone in this thread has an M1A manufactured after the dates that I mentioned (Serial numbers 150000+) I would definitely recommend buying an extra extractor since it is the small outsourced part that fails the most due to bad heat treat. Thankfully you can buy milspec extractors online for pretty cheap.

Would a 6.5 or .308 battle rifle be better for just general usage?

>>29302727
It really depends what you mean by general usage.

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>>29302727
>>29302744
308 you can buy it practically anywhere and parts for a 308 type rifle would be more available

6.5 for precision only dont kid yourself

>>29302823
That's what I was thinking. I'll start saving for a SCAR

>>29302823
>6.5 for precision
Top cuck. Have fun with your shitty BC and wind drift. 6cm master race

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>>29302971
>6cm master race
I would have to agree

>>29301910
What serials should I look for when purchasing a used one? Or dates of manufacturing? From your post a springfield from before 2003 would be ok? Is there an easy way to identify a rifle that has better parts? Aside from date and hoping someone didn't swap them to sell them, if that's even a thing

>>29301837
I have no intention of using it as a shtf rifle. It seems it would be overly heavy and prone to failure for that type of thing. It would mainly be a range queen

I want to buy a single rifle, for general purposes. I have read some and I think I am going to go with the SCAR 17. Is this a bad choice?

>>29303821
SCAR 17 is a great gun.
Go with what you think you'll enjoy the best.

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>>29303821
objectively the best battle rifle by far

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>>29302971
>>29303036

>6mm
>G1 BC over .6

6mm is great from an AR15 magwell, I'll give you that

>>29303084
Range Queen use?
Yeah it's fine. Get a blowout kit, but if you just want to punch paper with a .308 semi, there are cheaper and more accurate options out there.

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>>29304059
not everyone wants a poorfag rifle

>>29303915
I actually didn't know it came in black. Now I want it even more

>>29290366
TELL THAT TO THE CAPTAIN'S MOTHER

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>>29290366
>>29304330
HEY CAPTAIN, DONT YOU WANNA BUY SOME BONE CHAINS AND TOOTHPICKS

>>29304084
I also said more accurate.
This precludes the ptr
Was insinuating that an AR10 could be built cheaper, and provide greater accuracy.

New thread:
>>29304583
>>29304583
>>29304583

So I'be decided ro build an LR308, I've yet to decide on specifics, but jow does a 20" barrel sound?