lol /k/ >"i won't carry a .45 because muh capaciteh"

>>28395753

That actually makes sense though. .45 isn't any more powerful than 9mm, so you don't get any stopping power advantage. In that case, you might as well go for a higher capacity gun, the 9mm. But the .357 is actually more powerful and thus the lower capacity is justifiable.

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>>28395923

>9mm isn't any more powerful than .45

9mm compacts are the best for this very reason

>things literally no one thinks, but I need an excuse to use a smug anime girl picture

The thread

>>28395980

The FBI has tested this extensively and confirmed it. There is no verifiable difference in stopping power between 9mm, 10mm, and .45. You need to go all the way up to .357 before a measurable difference will manifest.

>>28395980
He's talking about terminal ballistics with defensive loads, and he's right.

9mm is ideal for its size and weight.

You'd have to go for a much heavier, wider, and faster projectile to get a significant advantage. A magnum round can offer that.

It's not my dig. I'd rather give myself more chances, so I carry .380 or 9mm

I never plan to defend against just one person.

>>28396050

>There is no verifiable difference in stopping power between 9mm, 10mm, and .45.

.40 S&W belongs on this list as well.

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>>28395923
this bait though

Who actually says that?

>>28395923

"a bigger slug doesn't ACTUALLY do more damage than a smaller guys! srsly!"

wewlad

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>>28396322

You should read the thread before posting:

>>28396090
>>28396050
>>28396055

There is no measurable difference in stopping power between 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm. You have to go all the way up to .357 Magnum before you get a verifiable increase in terminal performance.

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>>28395753
>>28395980

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>Carrying anything than a semi-auto magnum

Plebs.

>>28397334
Because ballistics gel is totally representative of clothing, doors/walls, and human flesh amirite

Sticking with hot loaded .45 myself

>>28397388
>ignore actual testing and fact for fanboy lore
When's rabbit season Elmer?

>>28397388

>Voluntarily carrying an inferior system

It's okay, this is America, you can do whatever you want.

How about .460 Rowland?

>>28397503

What's that?

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>a 9mm won't stop someone with one bullet
>you gotta use 15 bullets before they go down
>45 tho that'll stop em
>you see the 45 has a much more reliable recoil because it snaps back unlike that there 9mm that flies all around the place
>"maybe it's just the guns weight"
>no 45 is designed to push the gun back in a reliable arc
>it's also got that stopping power
>"why not use a 357 if you care about stopping power then?"
>It doesn't have enough bullets

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>>28395923
>That actually makes sense though. .45 isn't any more powerful than 9mm

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>>28396050
>.41 magnum isn't as stronk as .357 magnum

>>28396050
10mm has a lot more energy than your little tree fiddy seben. Pls stop going on "muh scurry reputashun"

>>28398404
Let's not get carried away. 10mm has a bit more energy in the hottest loadings, but they're definitely in the same class

>>28396050
>There is no verifiable difference in stopping power
How does one quantify stopping power? What are the units and what does a measure of 1 represent?

>>28398427
Yeah sorry you're right, I checked and the difference isnt as large as I thought.

Y'all niggas need some 9mm dillion

>/k/ is one person

lol OK. Thanks for taking the time to shitpost.

>>28398452
One shot stops.
Penetration.

There is no measurable difference in stopping power between 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm. You have to go all the way up to .357 Magnum before you get a verifiable increase in terminal performance. There is no measurable difference in stopping power between 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm. You have to go all the way up to .357 Magnum before you get a verifiable increase in terminal performance. There is no measurable difference in stopping power between 9mm, .40, .45, and 10mm. You have to go all the way up to .357 Magnum before you get a verifiable increase in terminal performance.

>>28398404

Energy doesn't directly translate into terminal performance. Shootouts aren't a video game.

>>28395923
no but 45 has 36 more millimeters than 9 so youre wrong

>>28399841

It's also slower.

>>28395980
Yes, you ignorant slut, 9mm, .40 and .45 are all VERY similar in terms of terminal ballistics, they're all fine for sidearm usage.

>>28396178
He's right you dumb frogposter.

>>28397385
I want one.

>>28397388
.45ACP can't really be hotrodded too much, if you want a powerful automatic, check out .45 Super, same dimensions and projectiles, but much stronger brass, so the cartridges can be loaded to VASTLY higher pressures.

>>28397528
I'd call it .45ACP on steroids but it's more like .45 Super on steroids, if that paints you a picture. Crazy hot.

>>28398378
>he didn't mention .41 Magnum
>that means he intentionally ommitted it
Or he forgot about it's existance, like most people.

>>28398404
10mm Auto can be loaded to match a pretty good .357 load, and it takes heavier bullets, but the .357 can be loaded up way beyond that.

>>28398452
>How does one quantify stopping power?
You don't.

>>28399704
>one shot stops
>with a handgun
>reliably
Please.

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>/k/ is a single person
You cracked the code, outsider. We're all one unit, all designed by a single man only known as "Four Chan". We simulate human thoughts and through shitposting we create new weaponry for DARPA and the CIA.

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>>28395923
Oh... Oh my...

>>28396018 and >>28396288

see >>28395923

>>28397528
It's fucking sexy is what it is.

>>28397385
This gun never made sense to me. Yes it shoots .357 Mag, but 10mm Auto already puts out rounds with as much energy without the loldeagle huge grip. It also uses an actual cartridge meant for semi-auto function vs forcing a rimmed cartridge into a semi-auto platform.

>>28402473
>but 10mm Auto already puts out rounds with as much energy
Yes, but .357 is cheap and available everywhere.

Why do you think the Desert Eagle is still around today, while most other Magnum automatics are not?
AMC Automag? Used a new rimless .44 Magnum cartridge (.44AMP), which performs well, but it was a new, expensive cartridge that did something another cartridge already did (they also had production problems with the ammo).

AMT Auto Mag? They stopped making those.

Wildey? Great pieces, but they sold poorly, the company was literally held afloat by the Deathwish movies, any time those movies were run on TV, the company would see a sudden, brief spike in sales.

The Desert Eagle uses regular revolver cartridges, and feeds them without problems (if you handle it right). You don't have to go find any .357AMP rounds, or .457 Wildey, or .45WinMag, you just take some suitable .357 or .44 boxes off the shelf and you're good to go.

The Coonan is a 1911 sized up JUST enough to accommodate the .357 cartridge, and feeds them without issue, you get 7+1 capacity in a reasonably light and normal sized automatic package.

A Desert Eagle holds 9+1 but is way bigger and heavier, it also cannot handle unjacketed ammo, which the Coonan can do without issues.
The Deagle isn't a realistic carry option, but the Coonan is.

>>28402678
Good points, thanks for the honest answers. I have a desert eagle but never got the .357/.44 conversions for it. Didn't bother since local wally worlds did not carry .44 or .357 at a good price. They seem to cost around the same after a short look on ammo engine, but I'll admit I've never seen 10mm on shelves locally.

So, then what what is the caliber for the man who already got all the 9mm guns?
.40short&weak? fuddyfive? 10mmstronk? .357 SIG "you know the marshalls use it"?
I'm looking for something to finish off hogs while hunting, preferably in a compact or subcompct frame

>>28403007
Oh dude, it's worth trying the .357, even if you can't always find it for cheap, the high capacity and low recoil in combination with the inherent accuracy of the Deagle is just something else.

The high weight and gas operation makes the .357 feel like a 9mm in terms of recoil.

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>>28403127

All the 9mm guns? ALL OF THEM?

>>28403127
Well, while speaking of the Desert Eagle, they're coming out with a lightweight variant.
Shorter barrel, and an aluminum frame, with compensator ports at the muzzle to make up for the lighter weight, I imagine it would be just alright as a hog sidearm in .357

Just remember to never feed it unjacketed ammo and to never hold it in a teacup grip, and it should cycle just fine.

It's also a gas operated pistol, not a short-recoil pistol, so you can't forego cleaning it for several shooting trips like a 1911 (though it makes up for this with dramatically higher firepower and accuracy).

>>28395753
Except .357 has a SIGNIFICANT energy advantage over either? Revolvers also have their own niche; I like the idea that I can keep something loaded without any springs being under tension. And .357 is arguably the most effective self defense round out there.

>>28403774
>I like the idea that I can keep something loaded without any springs being under tension.
Springs do not take damage or wear from being under tension, this is a myth.

>>28397385
>Implying I can't get FAR more reliability and capacity off of a rimless auto caliber like .357 sig or 10mm, without sacrificing much power

I wouldn't carry an auto designed to fire a rimmed cartridge. They're a nice novelty, but not incredibly viable.

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>>28403678
ALL OF THEM!
Joking aside, you can only own 2 pistols as a hunter in Germany without any additional permits. I already got a fullsize 9mm, so I'm looking for something more compact in a "stronger" caliber

>>28403750
That's nice, but Deagles are fucking expensive and I'd guess even a smaller one is still bigger than most compact or even fullsize guns

>>28403824
I could link you to some literature which proves that it's a distinct possibility you're wrong.

As far as I know, there is no consensus on the issue. So rather than take a chance on hoping 1/2 of the experts are right, and it's no big deal, I'd rather err on the side of caution.

>>28403828
.357 Sig comes up kind of short compared to .357 Magnum

>>28403875
Oh yeah, they're quite expensive, but if money is an object there's loads of revolvers in .357 and .44 that are just dandy and affordable, I'm a fan of Ruger myself, built like tanks and can take silly hot loadings.

>>28403961
It's definitely not superior to .357 magnum or 10mm, no. But you can find smaller framed guns chambered in it, and dat bottleneck design is reliable as fuck. It soundly kicks any of the other cartridge's performance in the ass, and is still more comparable to 10mm and .357 than even the hottest 9mm or .45