What plane should the Russians field to directly counter

>>28061292
Why is F16 so sexy?

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>>28061292
is the SU 35 better than the latest modification of F16 (block 60 i think)?

upgraded su27 and any su30 are more than enoughth to deal with f16
hell, even mig 29 with proper awacs and bvr missiles can deal with f16

>>28061292
ITT butthurt Yuris. Muh remove kebab meme. Muh slavic pride. Russians should realize by now how shit tier their military is when even Turks can btfo them easily.

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>>28061353
Mehmet my son, pls.

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>>28061338
unfortunately, the un-tried SU 35 would be no match for the Battle Tested F-16

They stand no chance...

dis F-16 appreciation thread nao

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so sexy

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>>28061558
>>28061564
>>28061573

https://youtu.be/LGF_R8wtgvA?t=19s

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>>28061353

>>28061558
You are absolutely wrong. The Sukhoi is faster, bigger, and more maneuverable due to 3D thrust vectoring. Not to mention the R-77 is better than the aim-120D

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I believe its the Sukhoi Su-30SM because despite being twice the size of a F-16 it can outmanuver it, thanks to its thrust vectoring, infact it can outmanuver any aircraft in the world, though I think the F-16 has better avionics. Which one would win in a dogfight? My money is on the Sukhoi.

>>28061338

Newfag here. Am I mistaken or is that plane big as fuck?

Look at the cockpit/length ratio... it must be at least 12-16 metres long.

>Having designed Su-47
>Not havint it mass produced
>Its a e s t h e t i c s
>Mfw

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>>28062704
it's almost 22m long
slightly less than a B-17

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>>28061323

>>28062963
Look at that champ. Still smiling after day's hard work

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>>28062963

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>>28063389
>>28063098

>>28061339
>with proper awacs
Too bad only the US has those
>and (non-shit) bvr missiles
Too bad only the US and Britain have those

>>28061292
The s-400

Is it cheaper and easier to shoot down a plane with anti air system like the S-300 or 400, than to use a fighter jet?
A fighter jet is a fighter jet, made to fight in the sky, you need a good pilot for dogfights and fuel in the jet, but a crew with 3 different trucks that supposedly can see you on a ctr monitor, aim at you and lock on with a push of a button, launch a smart rocket with a pull of a lever and a turning of a key can do it while farting silently and examining who smells it with their peripheral vision while they do it, while the pilot is thinking about what if he is forced to eject out of the plane if things go wrong.
Does a good and solid anti air system beat a pilot duel in the air? I mean it is more cool and romantic to do it in the air, 2 pilots dueling and shit, but movies are just movies.

>>28063750
That only works because in the past rules of engagement meant the superior force couldn't just blast anything that beeped on the ground.

In an all out war any SAM crew would be sweating bullets and hoping they were far enough from the emitters not to eat a HARM / relocating every few hours.

>>28063750
>Does a good and solid anti air system
SEAD

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>>28063750
Have you not heard of Desert Storm?

>>28063796
IADS

>>28063861
The US has gone up against some of the most complex, complete, and effective IADS in history and come out on top.

Baghdad was one of the most heavily defended places on earth when that package Q strike did it dirty

>>28063750
In a realistic Ru/Turk war scenario most of Turkish air fleet would be grounded by Iskanders and Kh-101 in the first 24 hours of the stand-off. ITT we're assuming if this somehow wasn't the case.

>>28061292
>giant Ethernet port on side.

>>28063808
Yes. Glorious American victory over SA-2 and other rusted shit from 50s.

>>28061558
kek

>>28063867
>SA-2 in the middle of a desert
>IADS
Please, post more.

>>28063896
I would, but you clearly can't be assed to do any research of your own and you have literally no idea what you're talking about so I'll save the effort.

>>28061292
A stolen American f16

>>28063905
>Hurr durr
This "mighty Iraqi IADS" meme is truly glorious.

>>28061292
I didn't know f16 came with Ethernet ports

>>28062836
That's a big jet

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>>28063962
For you.

>>28063948
Yeah that's where they hook up the Link 16 cable.

They could field anything they wanted. The Su-30s already there would be a good match for the F-16s.
The Russian "equivalent" would probably be Mig-29SMT.

>>28061292
Su-30 is enough. F-16 is not even much of a threat.

>>28063905
checkmate faggot
http://fas.org/man/gao/nsiad97134/app_06.htm

>>28064344
That doesn't even support your argument.

>>28063880
I didn't know the MiG-29 and the 2K12 Kub was from the 50s. Maybe the Russians should have invaded the west if they had that much of a gap in technology.

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>>28061292

The MiG-29SMT.

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>>28063796
>>28063796

You realize this is just a word right?

It's not a magical weapon, but a technique, which doesn't exist for the S-400.

Why do the underage children and masturbators on this pitiful forum think that this acronym somehow makes their argument valid?

>>28065491
>S-400 is immune to SEAD
it's sad because there are slavs that actually believe this

>>28061292
They don't have anything that can atm.

lol, I can't find one not childish post in this entire thread, you guys gave me a good chuckle though.

The upgraded mig29k ,which was recently sold to India would destroy the F-16s.
I remember Indians on f16.com bragging about how their MiGs (29) locked on to early block F-16s effectively giving them air superiority during the 1998 skirmish

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>>28065515

Tell us, what is the particular SEAD technique against an S-400, whose emission spectra aren't even known?

I take it you've trained and flown sorties suppressing S-400s?

Or is it more likely that you're just some local idiot from Nebraska who frequents this pitiful hive of losers for this purposes of masturbation?

>>28065882
>whose emission spectra aren't even known?

yeah it emits vodka waves and slav magic

fuck of vatnik

>>28063655
What?

The Royal Airforce & VVS both have "AWACS" style aircraft.

>>28066004
lemme know when they're launching awacs from cats

>>28066024
Nobody launched AWACs from cats.

The E-2D is AEW.

>>28066024
Why would they need too?

All the stuff being fought over can be easily reached by their home bases.

>nice moving of goalposts

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>>28066089
helicopters are not awacs

>>28066109
Neither are E-2D.

By the way, if we're talking about Syria, Cat-launched AEW aircraft are of little use considering RAF Akrotiri is within 200km of Syria.

>>28061995
Though its maneuverability is bretty damn good, I'm pretty sure an F-22 could outmanuever it.

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>>28061292
>>28065314

>not magdumping from range

Maybe the Su-35. Def not the Mig 29

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>>28067120

Oh hello P Elite! Long time no see man. A MiG-31 is overkill against F-16's btw.

>>28065920

Quite the shit post you made there. /d/ is over there --->

>>28067120
Nice pic. Thanks!

>>28061877
>bigger
You say that as if it's a good thing.

>>28067120
>>28067368
Could the MiG-31 pull off high-speed chase shenanigans like the MiG-25? It'd be hilarious to see Russia start trolling with real air incursions with Foxhounds.

>>28064813
The Iraqi IADS was designed to defend against Iran, not against a stab in the back from the US.

>>28065882
It won't remain unknown for long now that Russia has decided to put a few on display where the US and its allies can observe and report.

I'm pretty sure the turks get there asses kicked by Mirages from greece.

>>28064344
>>28063867
>>28063905
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SAM-Effectiveness.html

>>28068461
Put down the crack pipe.

>>28068729
> ausairpower
Stop.

>>28061558

the turkey based f-16's don't have the awesome radar/comp systems that USA/Israel have. su-35 with Russian radar/comp systems will be more advanced against anything the turks could duct tape together.

>>28061292
Turkey has the latest generation of ECM's and jammer's for their F-16s one of the only countries outside of the US to use AN/ALQ-178(V)5 which was delivered to Turkey under the Peace Onyx III program.

Turkey has already deployed their KORAL anti radar system south of the border.

http://southfront.org/turkey-sent-syrian-border-radar-electronic-attack-systems-counteract-russian-s-400/

>>28061877
>Sukhoi is faster, bigger, and more maneuverable

Yes. F-16 is a plane from the 70s.

>R-77 is better than the aim-120D

Nope. Not even close.

Western avionics and weapons are better.

>>28068729
Anon, are you unironically using Ausairpower as a source?

If so, are you retarded?

>>28069057
Why? Their analysis seems pretty spot on and is consistent with other sources that I've read, including Airpower Advantage. Iraqi air defences were by and large static.

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>>28067368

Hey Horus, good to see you man. I would still argue that the 31s are the best option for trolling Turkey hard.

>>28068214

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>>28068419

The MIG-31 is the fastest military aircraft currently in service, but it's slower than the MIG-25 was, though it's commonly believed that the MIG-25 couldn't max out without destroying its engines.

>>28070011
All things considered, MIG 31s would be virtually untouchable. It would be a very difficult task for the Turks to engage one successfully.

>>28070320

It's not outrunning mach 4.5 missiles.

>>28070353
Got to get within range first and unspotted. Not an easy task. They could be vulnerable to pop up attacks from down low but one can't seriously see that happening as the Russians will be playing it safe.

>>28069057
>>28069204
As much shit as they get, they do have their merits. Just take everything they say with a grain of salt and fact check every claim they make.

>>28070353
In a different incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles at long range which were evaded by the F-15s, and then outran the American fighters. Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of 10 air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, though none reached them.

>>28071749
So what you mean to say is that they escaped the engagement envelope of the missile. We don't have any manned aircraft capable of outrunning the missiles we fling at jets

>>28071788
I don't mean to say anything, I just brought up a relevant quote. But now that you ask, yes, considering the original point was about the difficulty to engage it on the first place, that is pretty much my point.
>It would be a very difficult task for the Turks to engage one successfully.

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>mfw Russia/Turkey air war
>mfw Russia loses more aircraft for the sake of blowing up a few US proxies that will just be replaced with a larger F-35 order

>>28071912

I wish.

Seeing Russians tears would be hilarious.

>>28061596
>russia being the niggers

Why am I not suprised?

>>28061292
Aerial warfare is not rock paper siscors

>>28061292
Su 27. The russians only have alot of these.
The russians have 45 Su 35 of all variants.
The turks have 240 F16 Block 30/40/50 which are all to be upgraded to Block 50.

>>28074829
What kind of retarded statement is that?

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>>28061596

>>28068461
>a stab in the back from the US
Excuse me?

>>28065920
>yeah it emits vodka waves and slav magic

kek

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>What plane should the Russians field to directly counter the Turkish F16s?

None, against the Turkish F-16's the Russians can't guarantee they won't lose another fighter in a border skirmish. Could you imagine if an Su-35 was shot down and, western-sympathetic allies managed to secure it, and the U.S. managed to get their burger-greased fingers on its Irbis-E radar and got to get a close look at its avionics package and thrust vectoring engines? Russian Air Force brass would be on suicide watch, it'd be almost as bad as if they shot down a PAK FA.

Instead, they should just stick with lobbing these gnarly fuckers.

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>>28075683

>>28075998
is that funny or do yanks really think like that?

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>>28076043
Military buffs probably think about it frequently. I know I've fantasized about the US displaying its full power

>>28075683

>russia is homosexual
I'm not surprised

>>28076289
turkey is a grill, but it's easy to miss it since turkish women look just like their men

>>28076323
>turkey is a grill
your auto correct doesn't know (the word) a girl, neither do you

>>28075587

Anon, west is not interested in any of that. There is literally nothing in Su-35 that is better than what west already has.

>>28076420
>new to grill
lol ok

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>>28076420
spotted the turkroach newfag

>>28076435
>damage control
speak human, your ghetto culture tongue is not welcome

>>28076504
>damage control
Yes, I recognized yours, Mehmet. Shaking my head to be honest.

>>28076043

As an american, yes.

Sometimes i wish the US would just take over the world.

But then i think about the logistical problems and the demonstration nukeings on malcontents and i just realize how much of a pain in the ass it is.

Better to leave it as it is, with europe and select others as client states.

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>>28076526
holy shit you're such a newfag

lurk moar.

>>28076526
>he must be jew or kebab if he doesn't agree with me
watch out! your /pol reasoning is showing

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>>28076542
>spergs over "grill"
>calls others newfags
Are you late for your Turkey damage control threads on /pol/?

>>28076542
>>28076558
obvious samefag, mehmet

>>28076542
>>28076558
>samefagging posts so close together

holy shit you're such a newfag

lurk moar.

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>>28076570
>>28076573
>>28076560
hahaha
you faggots

>>28076323
>turkish women look just like their men
This is true.

>>28076617
4 minutes in paint?

>>28076632
>everyone has to reply immediately!!!
I'm sorry, not everyone takes these "i have to win internet arguments" as serious as you

>>28068529
pay denbts

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>>28076667
You wouldn't have made that pic at all if you weren't taking what those anons said seriously. lol

>inb4 "w-well I have reason, b-because X!"
haha

>>28076682
>taking a screenshot is hard work
i believe you anon, i believe you

>>28076703
You took it seriously enough to insist your innocence, while your other you never responded. lol

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>>28076667
>vainly tries to assert he isn't samefagging because he doesn't care
Top kek, Mehmet on full damage control now.

>>28075998
Turkey would be enjoying it instead of calling for help. Sodomy is very common in their culture.

>>28076750
meant for: >>28075683

>>28076750
>Turkey is so culturally focused on being analized that their actions are a national attempt at "notice me, senpai!"

>>28066024
the beriev A-50 can reach syria from russian bases
and it has a radar powerfull enough to track F16 230 km away from it

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>>28068073
leave /d/ out of this pls anon, all we want is xeno futa

>>28076944
I'd sell my soul to Incase

>>28076961
so would i anon, so would i.

>>28063870
And then NATO dogpiles on Russia.

>>28061558
Suzy would literally rape the ape out of that smug looking falcon

What is the reason intakes are separated from the fuselage?
I've seen it on many planes. Is it just laminar flow or is there another reason?

>>28076434

It's still a grave blow when an enemy gets their hands on a weapon of yours and figures out exactly how it works.

If they know how it works, they know how to exploit its greatest weaknesses.

>>28077548
The boundary layer air tends to be bad to ingest. Easiest way to deal with it is with the separator plates you see on most aircraft - it keeps the boundary layer out of the intake. It is possible to design an intake that makes it possible to ingest the boundary layer (see the F-35's intakes), but can cause big problems if you don't deal with it right (see the early production F-111s)

>>28061339
The MiG-29 in no way shape or form, can beat an F-16, especially in BVR.

Watch the Wings Red October doc on youtube to find out how difficult it is for even the best MiG pilots to get a kill against real 4th gen fighters

>>28075587
The SU-35 doesn't have anything the west really gives a shit about.

Russia would be more worried of an F-16 taking down a SU-35 because it would hurt export sales.

Turkish F-16 Block 50+ machines are equipped with Exelis ALQ-211V9 EW-Jamming suite, APG-68(V)9 RADAR, AIM-120C7 and AIM-9X missiles.

Also they are supported by airborne 737 AEW&C systems and locally produced EW systems like Koral.

Russians have a huge possibility of being humiliated again if they ever decide to take out a Turkish F-16

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>>28062704
It is.

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this

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>>28068419
The Russians made a habit of poking at British airspace with MiG-31's earlier in 2015.

The British ended up scrambling Interceptors a couple of times. Shit was pretty funny.

>>28079561
I know very little about turkey but they seem very strong from what I've learned. They have a pretty impressive domestic defense industry and many modern weapons. Russia would lose badly in syria if the turks were pissed off.

>>28065882
>whose emission spectra aren't even known
...to you lol.

It would be fair to say the United States penetrates Russia quite deeply. From interception of communications, measurement/signature intelligence, signals intelligence and so on.

>>28075587
They should stick with deploying and using the S-400, so that RC-135 aircraft can be entertained.

>>28064344
in that instance, it sounds like the IADS was very exploitable.

Given the work by Israel, UK and US on breaking air defense networks by nonkinetic means, decisionmakers relying on IADS may overestimate their systems.

>>28065882
you idiot, once it goes nuclear tactical nukes can be used and they would be effective against causing disruption in their radar and identification equipment. When they encounter Important engagements, they will use them as often as they can. Air power has more versatility in this type of warfare which is the one that will go down.

>>28065882
Against the S-400? MALD-J, JSOW, TLAM, JDAM, HARM, and JASSM-ER.

>>28080870
They weren't near British airspace, it was over the Baltic Sea.

RAF Typhoons were the NATO aircraft in rotation to police the airspace for the Baltic States at the time. IIRC the Typhoons were based in Estonia

>>28061353
Turkroach pls

>>28082427
Food for 1L222, 1L267, 1RL257, 55Zh6ME, 9K317M, 9K330, 96K6 and 50R6.

>>28065882
>Rossia turn on emitter
>Splash smelly turkshit F16
>Ameryka EW craft on station monitoring emissions
>AGM88 inbound

Fucking retard faggot moron

>>28071912
>They wouldnt just fuck everything flying up with ABMs

>>28076105
I fantasize about Canada being able to assert herself against a power larger than Spain.

>>28065515
Not that guy, but the S-300 and S-400 both are nothing to be sneezed at. Sidelobe suppression makes them almost completely immune to older-gen anti-radiation missiles, and dramatically reduces the effect of offensive jamming as well (though defensive ECM aboard the aircraft being targeted should still work).

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>>28063389
>caught u mirin

>>28066004
Not the VVS, but the VKS

>>28061353
>shooting down a non aggressive aircraft
totally btfo'd, turks showed those russians!

>>28061353
>disregard NATO RoE to shoot down an aircraft fighting a (supposedly) common enemy as it flies mere seconds through a tiny bit of airspace

Who's the butthurt one here, really?

>>28085060
NATO RoE wasn't ignored, but nice try.

>>28085414
It was.

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>>28061353
No Ahmed, you will not get your virgins by shitposting on infidel pillow-fighting board.