This is the US Marine Corp’s new 700bhp, 8x8 amphibious assault

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>>28019301
why does it look like the new Russian 8x8 APC without a turret?

>>28019301

My 335d makes around thatish in numbers... Great job...

>>28019301
>IVAN! I SEE AMERICAN BOAT!
>NO TOVARICH! IS TRUCK!
>BUT HOW IS SWIMMING?
>AMERICANS STUPID BLYAT, DESIGN CYKA VEHICLE THAT NOT KNOW EVEN WHAT IT IS!

>>28019332
Thats funny because Russians are all about amphibious troop carriers

Can it resist 30mm? Because if not whats the point.

>>28019348
.... Getting people on shore and giving protection from machine gun fire?

>>28019308

BTR?

>>28019348
IFV =\= APC.

Learn to armoured vehicles, butterface.

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>>28019301
Why use what works out of the box when you can make your own at four times the price and half the capabilities?

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>>28019397

>>28019563
>>28019551
>>28019414
>>28019301


THEY ARE LOOK SAME!

>>28019301
Looks pretty futuristic, I like it

>>28019569

I think, it means that all move the right way.

p.s. sorry for my English (i`m Russian)

>>28019301
Oh, is it 2018 already?

I see BAE is doing what it does in the UK and spending a millions on advertising in print and making flashy Youtube videos to make it seem like the other competing design (Terrex II) is a non-entity and their bid is the only name in town.

They did this for the Warrior CSP and Fres Scout tenders, and lost on both. Should have spent the money on actually building to spec rather than wasting it on advertising and paying-off journalists to write about it.

>>28019301
I have a feeling this was modeled after Benedict Cumberbach (Beneficial Cucumber).

>>28019301
Looks like a patria.

>>28019301
Ah, they went with BAE?

Nice! Lockmart needs taken down a peg or two, they're getting lazy.

>>28019563
What use is that fucking camo?

wheres it going to hide? Legoland?

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I like it

>>28019715
I got more of a VBCI vibe, or >>28019551. Only thing that reminded of Patria is that propeller and even that looks more like it was borrowed from the earlier XA-180 than AMV

>>28019301
What are the propellers for?

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>>28019301
The selection is down to the SuperAV and Terrex 2.

I expect the SuperAV to win based on ability of the vehicle and ability of the manufacturer.

>>28019858
Given production dates it is more accurate to say the Russian vehicle is based on a VCBI as well.

>>28020134
Whats wrong with those current cool fatty tracked things they drive in now? I like the small turret with the grenade launcher on it.

>>28019414
Does it swim?

>>28020208
nah mate, they just stuck propellers on the back of it to give troops nearby a nice fan to stand by when its hot outside.

So everyone in them dies when someone fires an RPG at em and pokes a hole in em?

>>28020273
I don't recognize the model so I don't have any idea what it is or its capabilities.

>>28020182
Horrendously vulnerable to IEDs

>>28019409
lol why would you call him butterface?
You think he has a nice body? lol.

>>28020208
>>28020300
That model does

>>28020182
They will be around 50 years old when retired, the USMC is going to be operating the AAV, LAV and this vehicle simultaneously for at least 15 years.

>>28019301

Yuck. Looks like a great place to get stuck inside and drown.

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>>28020134
>>28020134
>>28019858
>>28019551
Both that thing and the Bumerang are direct copy of the VbCI

>>28019301
>>28019551
Russian one looks cooler and more menacing to be honest.

>>28020342
spot the underage

>>28020300
no, but if you looked at the picture for more than half a second you would have seen the propellers.

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>>28019301
>landing vehicle wheeled - 1

>>28019301
What kind of guns can it carry?

105mm amphibious gun carrier when?

>>28020385
It's just an APC, doesn't need any weapons.

>>28020385
I don't think weapon requirements have been specified yet, but the vehicles are capable of taking unmanned 30mm turrets.

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When senpai?

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>>28019301

I was going to do a comparison, but the BAE Vehicle is not even a prototype yet. Zero useful information. From reading this thread it seemed like there was info to be had until I started looking.

>>28020182
The ACV has the option to mount that turret. It also is actually useful on land

>>28020437
>Armament will consist of an M2 .50-caliber machine gun in a remote weapons station, with the potential to install a stabilized dual-mount M2/Mark 19 grenade launcher turret.

>>28020134
It's butt ugly

>>28020551
>Country of Origin = Great Britain

Nope. It's Italian in origin and it's BAE Systems Inc. (i.e. the American subsidiary) who are responsible for ACV

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>>28020614

>BAE Systems plc is a British multinational defence, security and aerospace company headquartered in London in the United Kingdom and with operations worldwide. It is among the world's largest defence contractors; it ranked as the second-largest based on applicable 2012 revenues.[5] Its largest operations are in the United Kingdom and United States, where its BAE Systems Inc. subsidiary is one of the six largest suppliers to the US Department of Defense. Other major markets include Australia, India and Saudi Arabia. The company was formed on 30 November 1999 by the £7.7 billion merger of two British companies; Marconi Electronic Systems (MES) – the defence electronics and naval shipbuilding subsidiary of the General Electric Company plc (GEC) – and British Aerospace (BAe) – an aircraft, munitions and naval systems manufacturer.

Not sure. But yea, I guess we should compare known APCs.

The problem is that it's hard to pick by weight class. I am guessing it HAS to fit in the country's common delivery plane or it's dropped.

>>28019305
Apparently they fucked patria over and the finns withdrew from competition. So it was their own stupidity.

Wouldn't tracked be better?
No roads on beaches, as far as I am aware....
Tracked also gives more room in the vehicle, and will be lower down.

>>28020727
Modern wheeled vehicles are much more capable of offroad than they used to, tracks do not provide IED protection from a V-hull and ground clearance.

In the 30 ton or less weight class it is hard to justify tracks over wheels nowadays.

>>28020755
Tracks can be built just as high/v-hulled as any wheeled vehicle.

IED's were only such an issue because iraq/afghanistan was a decade long insurgency with popular support for the insurgents.
Rebuilding a road with an IED under it isn't something thats going to happen in a war.

Especially for an amphibious vehicle, tracks would be far better. Wheels are going to tear up a beach until its impassable.

so does saic have it's own vehicle or are they working together with bae?

>>28019305
>Cooperate to make a vehicle that beat others in every category
>backstab Patria and try to win with copy
>lose

Merica!

>>28021234
Spotted the Patria fan.

>>28021222
Terrex 2

>>28020725
What happened was that LockMart partnered with Patria, they had the fronr running favorite vehicle and were set to win the competition, then Lockmart got greedy, learned what they could about the AMV, then used that info to design their 100% 'murican AFV and dropped Patria like a sack of potatoes. They deserve to burn in hell for all I care.

>>28019348
Nearly no apc will be protected against 30mm.

I think the boxer is at the front but it will also swim like a stone.

>>28020688
Regardless, it's Italian in origin, and having worked with BAE in the UK I know that their international subsidiaries operate more-or-less as independent businesses.

>>28021368
Lockheed and Patria's vehicle was tailored to the MPC program and not the ACV program, which is why their design(s) lost out in the ACV 1.1 selection.

>>28021434
>Its Italian despite being made up of no Italian companies and not operating in Italy

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AFT-10 food

>>28021376
Namer. Also it is protected against 125mm.

>>28021434
>international subsidiaries operate more-or-less as independent businesses.
Fucking no? BAE Systems NA is a subsidiary wholly owned by BAE Systems UK. All of their project data and revenue funnels back through the main company.

>>28021376
30mm protection isnt worth much mind you- next gen IFV armaments are being upped to 40/45/57 mm autocannon.
>>28025450
>Namer. Also it is protected against 125mm.
mangos yeah- newer rounds, doubt it. it uses the Merkava 4/3(memory fails) hull which has a much thinner armor array than the frontal turret of Western tanks.

>>28026009
>40/45/57 mm autocannon

Outside of that 40mm CTA gun everyone is staying at 30mm.

That 57mm turret for the BMP-3 is targeted at wealthy Arab countries.

>>28023847
nice b8

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>>28019414
Most of the ACV entries are modifications of existing vehicles. SuperAV is used by the huehues. It had the best performance in the water, even compared to LockMart's Patria

>>28025450
I'd like to see a Namer try to swim

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>>28021234
AMV Masterrace.

>>28019301
They should get their money back from the fucking Jawas.

>>28019301
Troop crawler singing in!

>>28019347
This. The Soviet Union pretty much mastered floaty boatie APCs and IFVs

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Why is it that ALL APCs have their wheels completely exposed? Why not have armor flaps that would protect against basic small arms fire or shrapnel, and could be easily flipped/propped up if repairs are needed?

>>28027072
because it's trying to swim not drag itself down to the bottom

>>28027072
wheeled vehicles suck, and can't spare the weight

>>28019301
Why is a foreign company allowed to bid on contracts and make vehicles for another countries military?

>>28020573

Meanwhile bumerang has ATGMs, machine gun and 30mm canon

>>28019736
Unless you're a sniper or scout camo is useless and putting it on a vehicle is just asinine.

>>28027959
Because they want competitive products not some buttressed welfare clusterfuck hardware

>>28019569
Convergent evolution, it's very common with military shit

>>28027072
Because crew survival is prioritized over wheel protection.

>>28019332
this is literally the worst board cancer.
This isn't even funny.

meh.. no where near as cool as the howe and howe riptide.

>>28027999
But having a foreign company bid a conctract is pretty funfair due to the head quarters of a foreign country being in another foreign country and doesn't follow the same tax and payments.

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c-c-c-can i play senpai?

>>28026282
Lockheed kicked Patria off the team and came up with an "original" design.

Regardless it wasn't down selected.

>>28027959
>>28027999
>>28028121
The designers have American prime contractors by law.

Iveco has BAE Systems (the American subsidiary) as its prime.

ST Kinetics has SAIC as its prime.

>>28020338

the russian and USMC look way more alike together than any one of them compared to vbcl

I mean they look alike to the point that in combat situation you'd rather have some bright stars and stripes on the good guys.

>>28020510

never

>>28027072
Weight. Aren't they already using run flats?

Jesus Christ, there's only so much you can do with contemporary 8x8s that the designs will happen to look like each others.

Patria - AMV
GDELS/Mowag - Piranha
GDELS/Steyr - Pandur
GDLS Canda - LAV
Nexter - VBCI
Iveco - Freccia and SuperAV
Rheinmetall - Boxer
FNSS - Pars
ST Kinetics - Terrex

>>28019736
Maybe a beach on Minecraft

>>28027072
firstly, there are eight wheels, loss of one two or even three (depending which wheels) wont result in a mobility kill
secondly the wheels themselves are made of thick as fuck bulletproof rubber, anything that can knock one out in the first place isn't going to be stopped by a couple centimeters of steel
thridly, any meaningful armor would weigh too much and counteract the mobility benefits of a wheeled platform
fourthly it costs money
fifthly wheeled afvs aren't really meant to be going right into battlefield hot zones and taking fire from .50s and rpgs, they're meant to get troop to the battlefield and provide supporting fire from a distance

>>28023493
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iveco_SuperAV

>The Iveco SuperAV is an 8WD tactical vehicle developed by the Italian commercial vehicle company Iveco.
>developed by the Italian
>Italian

BAE Systems Inc. (USA) have bought the design and modified it to fit the USMC's needs.

Nothing about its origin is British, even if BAE is a British-owned company. Hence >>28020551 is bollocks

>>28019736
>>28027984

Camouflaged vehicles are hard to spot with the proper camo net set up over it. Granted it offers no concealment from IR sights, it still helps escape detection from your average insurgent or 2nd world trooper.

>>28019332
dae le russian meemees

>>28028417
or natural cam, generally you dont roll around with a cam net

>>28021376
Patria is.

>>28028476
Yeah, the camo net is only set up when you're digging in for the night.

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>>28020510

We are getting there.

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>>28019551

>>28028194
No. Go away. Nobody likes you.

>>28028194
>streaker ifv

>>28019301
It looks like a precurser to the mako.

>>28028713
The Mako is based on an LAV so what do you expect

>>28028194
A Stryker would be the sempai.

>>28019332
I love how newfags get triggered by Ivan speak.

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Iveco made a new Assault Vehicle here. Soon they'll start to build the 8x8 versions.

>>28030622
Will Brazil ever replace their shitty tanks?

>>28020297
>So everyone in them dies when someone fires an RPG at em and pokes a hole in em?

Basically. This vehicle seems to occupy a special niche that is both too expensive to mass produce for massive amphibious landings and too cheap to withstand any serious damage.

Literally shit.

>>28032740
I don't see why they'd bother.

All their neighbors are as shit or worse than they are, and all they really ever fight is narcos and favela dwellers.

>>28034482
It isn't that hard to protect against single warhead HEAT.

Slat armor, spaced armor, and ERA all render them largely ineffective.

I don't know if any of those countermeasures will be present on this vehicle though.

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Wish we would have got these 6 years ago

>>28034667
I wish we had them now. I'm about to go to the field in fucking AAV's.

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>>28035000
Civilian here. What's wrong with AAV's. I think they look really neato

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>>28030622

pretty fucking neato

>>28035156

they're not great for use deep inland like they were used in Iraq, and they have pretty crappy hull protection for mines, IEDs because they are amphibious.

>>28035203
how the fuck does that even happen

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>>28026282
>SuperAV is used by the huehues.
albeit in a lighter 6x6 variant

>>28035684
marines

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>>28027072
the SuperAV can have its rear wheels covered in armor flaps

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>>28030622
only the MGS version will be 8x8
and the design is not even ready yet

>>28019308
Becuz we V shaped hull nao.
Seriously though it's damn timed APC's and IFV's caught up with dogshit MRAP's

>>28035156
They get a bad rap because when one goes pop it takes 24-25 marines with it. going forward it should probably be given to independent amphibious transport units and used in an initial beach assault and push inland, being relieved after a beachhead is cleared and a gap is exploited in the enemy's inland defenses, replaced with MRAP's for further operations
I'm glad the EFV was cancelled

>>28035995
Kinda pointless to buy a vehicle built around amphibious capabilities when it'll hardly ever use that capability

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>>28035000
Those things scare me. Rode on one off the back of a ship and I thought we were going to sink like a rock.

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>>28035156
You know I thought the same thing. When I was a boot hitting the fleet I thought damn these things are cool as fuck! BUT! AAV's are garbage! I was so mad when the EFV was scrapped I would literally see it everyday going to the RAMP for formation. I was stuck on this sorry excuse of a vic but oh well. Pro tip Aluminum does not DOES not go well against bullets.

>>28035156
Being inside one while they're swimming to shore is vomit inducing. Imagine the Higgins Boat scene from Saving Private Ryan but worse since its more cramped and completely sealed off from fresh air. They also have the tendency to bletch black smoke from the top which is absolutely delightful for those having to stick their heads out of the hatches

>>28019332
muh board culture
fuck off you fag

sage

>>28021311
Except the patria is fucking good. It could also replace everything in the Army too, but Lockmart had to ruin it.

>>28027967
While simultaneously having very little ammo, or having terrible water performance.

>>28037476
But not as good as the SuperAV.

>>28037279
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