Would the Nazis ever have been able to subjugate the United States

>>27943650

lolno

>>27943650
No way would the Nazis ever be able to successfully land on American soil. So, no.

m8 they couldn't even launch an amphibious invasion of the UK, how the fuck are they supposed to cross a giant ocean with their puny surface fleet?

I mean I don't ask for any realism at all in stuff like Wolfenstein, but it was never going to happen.

>>27943662
>>27943664
>>27943676
>Nazis invent the nuke first
>nuke D.C.
>Murrica surrenders
>Nazis occupy and install pro-fascist government
it's literally that easy.

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>>27943650

Haha fuck no.

Just like how Japan was literally never going to be able to subjugate all of China, except 5 times order of magnitude on the shit-that-will-never-happen scale.

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>>27943683
>nuke DC

With what delivery system?

>>27943683
>>Nazis invent the nuke first

But they didn't.

>>27943683
>USA loses one inconsequential city in a nation of hundreds of millions of people
>"america surrenders"

k

>>27943683

>implying all of America would instantly just bow down and start blowing their new Nazi overlords

Fucking little bitch nigger this was goddamn 1940s America. We would fucking fight down to the last man, woman, and child.

>>27943683
okay, no. The US Programs were miles ahead of the Nazis ones. Even if everything went right in the war, we would still have nukes before them.
>>27943696
Rockets?

Nukes are out of the question, and with the American fleet, the Nazis wouldn't even dream of sailing in the Atlantic.

>>27943702
In the game universe, they find some secret Jewish sect of religious science guys and uncover their tech and use it to dominate the war. With that tech, they could of developed nukes and a delivery system.

>>27943696
Since this is a made up, they would use the HO 229 big bomber version they never made that was designed for this kind of purpose

>fuck i love its sexy lines

>>27943683
>nuke D.C.
With what? They had no aircraft that could make the trip and no rocket had the range, payload or accuracy to do that job.

>>27943683

Except that's impossible without utter stupid shit happening.

First and foremost, they did not have the knowledge to make a nuke. Heavy water was a dead end. They were never going to make a nuke the way they were researching, whereas the US was the on the right track.

Second, nukes aren't that devastating. Our firebombings did more damage than the nukes did.

Third, the Nazis had no way whatsoever to reach America.

So, to recap, the Nazis couldn't make a nuke first because they were retards. They couldn't actually deliver the nuke they couldn't actually make because they had no bombers, bases, or aircraft carriers that could get within range of the US. They wouldn't force a surrender even if they used it, because it'd just further our resolve. The only reason the Japs gave up was because they realized we'd simply annihilate them. They'd already been knocked out of the war and had zero resources left to fight with. Their navy and airforce were resting at the bottom of the pacific and their army was dead on the beaches of a hundred islands. Nuke America and you've still got a gigantic, populated, armed, industrial superpower that is now thrown into maximum kraut genocide overdrive and has both the manpower and equipment to invade and eliminate every single German on the face of the earth, even ignoring the massive pissed off horde of dirty slavic commies already eager to remove kraut.

>>27943696
Just plop a V-2 on a U-boat, nigga.

>>27943714
Are you implying americans are more hardcore than imperial japan? They surrendered after just 2.

Also, it's important to note that America in Man in the High Castle didn't fully recover from the great depression, because no FDR

>>27943772

>They surrendered after just 2.
I see you never paid attention in history class.

They surrendered after two nukes...

And their entire navy, airforce, and military being utterly destroyed. That was not the case for the US. Japan surrendered because it had no recourse. They had no industrial capacity left. It was all burnt and bombed. They had no hardware left. They had no soldiers left. They had no choice but to surrender or be destroyed one city at a time. That was not the case for America. America could pump out planes and ships and tanks at a rate Germany could never match.

>>27943683
even if, it would have just started a nuclear war because they wouldnt know where we were developing ours.

>>27943772
>They surrendered after just 2.
And after being shrek'd in war with America already putting its foot through the door (lolOkinawa)

Japan was already beaten, Hiroshima and Nagasaki just drove the point home.

>>27943772
>Are you implying americans are more hardcore than imperial japan? They surrendered after just 2.

No, they surrendered because
>tiny fucking island nation
>zero fucking resources left
>zero trained soldiers left
>navy completely fucking decimated
>production capability crippled

The nukes were just the icing on the cake

>>27943772
>Just plop a V-2 on a U-boat, nigga.

They were going to try that. Hell, give them enough time without being bombed to shit to experiment and improve the woeful accuracy and it would be a pretty useful weapon

Except early nukes weighed far more than the payload of the rocket, and were fatter than my dick.

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>nazi invasion
The US had roughly 100+ carriers (of all types) at VE day, 20 of which were Essex Class. It would take Germany years to even match that. They didn't have the resources necessary. It would be literally impossible for them to invade the US at all, ever.

>>27943835
Even if the rocket tech was there, and they got one on a u-boat, as soon as the Pacific Fleet was transferred over, no German wolf would ever see the American coast again.

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>>27943696
AMERIKA BOMBER

Basically like a B-36

>>27943650
Yes, but there are so many ifs in place that it's ridiculous.

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>>27943794
>America could pump out planes and ships and tanks at a rate Germany could never match.

: "At the peak of production, Boeing was rolling out as many as 363 B-17s a month, averaging between 14 and 16 Forts a day, the most incredible production rate for large aircraft in aviation history." This production rate was however surpassed by that of the Consolidated B-24 Liberator.

>>27943650
what will really bake your noodle is the fact that US Subs and Sub tactics were better than the Germans.

....MFW American wolf-packs.

Question:

Did Hitler ever think the US would lose or did he hope for a peace treaty or something?

Once the US got in the fight did he think "oh well we will use this plan and defeat them" or "ah fuck this is dildos we are fucked".

>>27943920

It's more "ah fuck this is dildos we are fucked".

IF he had actually won in Russia and was then able to totally devote his forces to Western Europe, he may have been able to sign a treaty. But that was never going to happen.

>>27943920
He didn't want war with the US. He knew what it would bring. That's why he waited four days after pearl before he declared war. He wanted to see what the US reaction was.

BUT MAH CAPE COD YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS DESU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Orleans

>>27943920
>>27943929

What were his thoughts on the US? Culture, military etc. I have to admit I am not the wwii geopolitics knowledgefag.

Although I did see that movie "Conspiracy" with Stanley Tucci. That was a good movie.

>>27943762
If the Nazis weren't racist fucks against the Jews they would have had nukes and we wouldn't. The Jew scientists all came to the US. Ever hear of Oppenheimer or Einstein?

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>>27943929
they sorta developed a strategy late in the war which was inflict as many casualties on the Americans as possible in the hopes that we'd get grumpy and the alliance with the Brits and Canadians would break down.....shit really didn't work, when we'd get bogged down the Brits would just go on the offensive.

>>27943963
Again you rely on changing major parts of history to fit your shitty fantasy.

>>27943989

Kinda stupid. The Americans, British and Canadians stood strong together and wreaked havoc during the North Russia Intervention. And that was under worse conditions.

>>27943963

"if the nazis weren't nazis they might have succeeded!" I mean yeah, maybe.

But far more likely they never would have even taken power in the first place.

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>>27943683
> and install pro-fascist government

No need. Wait 70 years, and half the US populace are fawning over policies plucked straight from the Nazis.

What with idiot preachers saying that gays should be "made to wear identifying badges" last week, and fucking presidential candidates saying muslims should do the same, and be forced to register onto a list, this week?

I wonder what sort of sign they should wear. How about a yellow star?

>>27943772

>FDR magically fixed the Great Depression, without him we are nothing

Is this really the bullshit revisionist history that television teaches children now?

>>27943650

Conquering the USA would imply they already conquered the Soviet Union as that was a fundamental part of Nazi ideology. There are plausible scenarios where Germany doesn't declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor and the USA stays out of Europe, but America still would have mobilized to defeat Japan. At this point, especially if they could have negotiated with England, there would be no reason for a direct confrontation with the USA. Possibly a cold war would happen.

>>27943963
>>27944058

Also I feel the need to point out Oppenheimer was born in the US in 1904, his father immigrated in the 1880s, before the Nazis ever existed in any way shape or form. Einstein published all his relevant shit before moving to the US.

>>27944080

It is a sea shift in opinion and capability not politics nor party.

Compare life under Reagan to life under Obama.

What was more of a police state?

>>27944085
An America where FDR was killed in the 30s would be a very different place, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that it took the US longer to recover from the great depression.

>>27944086

Considering our strategy from the very start of our entrance of WW2 was Europe first (and that's where all our aid went before we actually joined up), I don't see this as even plausible. They didn't need to declare war on us for us to come kick their asses, after being dragged into WW2 there was no way we'd be ignoring Germany.

>>27944089

IN THE MATTER OF OPPIE.

Do you feel that he was a communist just because he fucked one?

Kind of a tragic figure. So many poor life choices for a brilliant fucking man.

>>27944080
>What with idiot preachers saying that gays should be "made to wear identifying badges" last week, and fucking presidential candidates saying muslims should do the same, and be forced to register onto a list, this week?
Sauce on all of this wild bullshit, please.

>>27944111

I dunno. I don't see that as evidence, I'd fuck a commie too.

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>>27944085
This, people talk about FDR like the fucker could roll on water, when the truth is, his flawed Keynesian policies have contributed greatly to the mess we're in today economically. And don't give me the bullshit about "Muh poor! Muh Elderly! You're a monster and your opinions are therefore worthless!". I just believe that there are other options to help the poor, jobless, and elderly than the ones FDR advocated. People talk as if denouncing FDR's policies means hating those less fortunate, and that's the mark of a populace subjugated to generations worth of propaganda.

>>27944120

She was kinda hot. I don't think any of us know the weight that his shoulders had to bear.

>>27944080
[citation needed]

>>27944047
very stupid...the Nazis never had a coherent plan to defeat the allies, or the Soviets for that matter. Their general plan seemed to be "kill enough of them and they'll give up", problem was they were dying in droves as well and had a much fewer lives to lose.

>>27944098

Many credible historic and modern day economists criticized the FDR government's policies for worsening and lengthening the depression -including Henry Morgenthau, his own Secretary of the Treasurey- and that without the war economy of the second World War it would have lasted longer still.

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>>27944080
>implying what happened to the jews wouldn't be a good thing for the world to happen to muslims
>implying the holocaust even happened
b-b-bb-but muh six grillion!

>>27944089
also Fermi wasn't Jewish and moved to the US before the war.

>>27944155
I fucking hate facebook frog, but I'm going to save this one.

>>27944155
Grand-dad actually got to liberate one of the camps....what he saw fucked him up but good, who cares about the details?

>>27944129
its true
my history teacher quite literally said "we won woth world wars"
that is a direct quote

as for FDR, he taught us that his new deal plan was more beneficial to our country than all of the wealth and production we gained from our wartime efforts
he would go on sensational stories about how those who were helping the hungry in the depression would leave potatoes out in front of their house and the sensationalized poor would only take a few potatoes and leave eggs or other shit in return

>>27943650
>>27943683
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>27943726
>Rockets?

With the guidance systems available then, they'd be lucky to hit the right continent.

Wouldn't that be a bitch? Spend 2 years accumulating and processing enough U235 to make a bomb, aim for DC and wind up nuking Sao Paolo instead.

>>27943772
> America in Man in the High Castle didn't fully recover from the great depression, because no FDR

That Socialist fuck extended the Depression about 8 years longer than it needed to be.

>>27944476
>That Socialist fuck

Yeah sure the shit he did was socialist as fuck

>extended the Depression about 8 years longer than it needed to be.

This I'm going to have to disagree on. Were his policies optimal? Of course not. But he still did a pretty impressive job.

Put fucking Obama in his shoes and he would've driven the country into the goddamn ground

>>27943960
if you read the rise and fall of the third reich the author talks about hitlers opinion of the US. Hitler, multiple times tried to make an alliance with the US and was astounded that the US and Germany weren't already allies. He believed the US should help him and his empire.

>>27944098
Both Keynesian and monetarist theories hold that FDR made the Depression worse through a combination of the wrong actions compounded by the wrong inactions.

>>27944644

No, he did a fuck awful job. Read a fucking history book written by actual economists instead of worthless political hacks like Arthur Schlesinger, Jr.

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>>27944785

>Where's my image, you idiot website?
>lol i dunno, here, select mountains

Fuck you!

>>27944111
Consider those dub trips checked.

But anyways, there's a fantastic opera about Oppenheimer called Doctor Atomic, by John Adams (possibly the greatest living American composer). The Metropolitan Opera did a production of it some years back and it was beautiful. I highly recommend anyone who's interested seek out a recording from its run in the 2008 season of Metropolitan Opera Live in HD.

>>27944836

Sounds interdasting. Will look into it.

In trade have, since it is so close to topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKn1aSOyOs

>>27944200

I'll take made up stories from a pog that never saw front line combat for 500

>>27943650
They didn't even subjugate the French and Hitler ordered officers to execute anyone who raped a girl in conquered territories. Better question is would the commies have been able to. I think yes, and very brutally so.

>>27944115
the presidential candidate was probably trump, i don't remember him saying this thing in particular but it sounds like some shit he would say, if it's true.

>>27945064

It is about Trump, however it is not a true statement that he made. But lies make for way better stories than truths, so that's what the media would rather have people discuss.

>>27944080
>and be forced to register onto a list, this week?

You mean like the same list that every other American is already on? I don't see the problem. Have a drivers license, a social security card, a passport, or ever been considered a permanent resident of a state? Then you are already on the list. Also, fags should be made to wear a badge so people know to stay at least 20 feet away from them so they don't catch aids.

>>27943695
>Just like how Japan was literally never going to be able to subjugate all of China, except 5 times order of magnitude on the shit-that-will-never-happen scale.

Maybe not all of China but certainly the parts that matter, as in the coast line. They already had Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Manchuria.

>>27944080
>No need. Wait 70 years, and half the US populace are fawning over policies plucked straight from the Nazis.

This. Obongo and Hillary are already worse than Hitler anyways. Democrats would probably invite the Nazis to take over America as "refugees".

>>27945290

Most of the Democrats of the age were all aboard the European socialism/fascism train back then. If you want to dig through archives you can still find the glowing articles in the liberal newspapers of the time, and their fawning praise for Hitler and Mussolini, and many of progressivism's posterchildren went over and worked with the European socialist movements, like Margaret Sanger and Edward Bernays.

The good liberals all went underground with their opinions once the war broke out, but they still held them, and still do hold the belief that people must be made subservient to the state.

>>27944080
>What with idiot preachers saying that gays should be "made to wear identifying badges" last week

>'I wouldn't mind if they weren't so in-your-face about it and acted like everyone else'
>'they should have badges so they're instantly recognizable'

>>27945275

Enjoy your gun registry

>>27944115
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trump+says+mexicans+should+wear+badges

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>>27944426
O I am laffin

Never would have happened.

The GDP Disparity between the Axis and Allied powers made the war a foregone conclusion after it became clear Hitler wasn't going to conquer the Soviet Union.

Even if the Nazis won anyway, they would have to cope with an extremely large, geographically diverse nation full of angry, well-armed patriots who are upset that their US of A got annexed. A full-on subjugation would be highly improbable.

>>27943920
His plan was to take over a big chunk of Eastern Europe one small piece at a time, basically hoping that US and Britain would rather let him do that than go to war. He figured France would fight, but that US and Britain could be appeased.

>>27945716

It's not about wetbacks, it's about kebabs. And the only people who are saying the kebab should be forced to wear special badges are the liberal media, who are wildly taking a statement out of context about building a better database to track Islamists in this country. That's what I found out by using that link. Thanks, senpai.

>>27944086
>There are plausible scenarios where Germany doesn't declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbor and the USA stays out of Europe, but America still would have mobilized to defeat Japan
US was already in Europe all but officially.