>Vz. 58 looks like AK >CZ 82 looks like Makarov Any more

It's not mimicry. The soviets mandated the Czechs build weapons compatible with their service weapons. The Czechs made their versions as a sort of middle finger to the Soviets.

>>27803328
I didn't mean it in a bad way.

>>27803292
>weapons of the same era, purpose, bloc, design school and caliber look vaguely alike
>OMG THEYS COPIED IT

The 58 and AK and the 82 and Mak have nothing in common except the round and the fact both pairs work generally the same (gas operated select fire rifle, straight blowback pistol).

>>27803344
Even so it's wrong. And you should feel bad.

>>27803292
Don't forget the VZ52 and the SKS.

>>27803328
The VZ.58 has no parts interchangeability with the AK47 though, so why did they insist of copying its looks?

>>27803328
and they made them better

>Superior short stroke gas piston operation
>lighter than an AK but still implementing a milled receiver.
>bolt hold open function on last round, bolt stays open for new magazine insertion.
>better safety
>can also use stripper clips

and then with the CZ 82
>double stack instead of single stack
>push button magazine release instead of heel release,
>spur hammer

Czechs knew what they were doing.

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>>27803292
VZ52

basically, a much better sks that shoots a superior round.

>>27803358
I said VISUALLY copied.

>>27803361
To mimic simply means "to copy or imitate".

And the Vz for instance imitates the AK visually.

I'm a big fan of Czech guns actually, I own a Czech military surplus Vz.

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The CZ52 and the TT33.

>>27803402
>I said VISUALLY copied.

They only look very vaguely alike and that's because that's what your rifle ends up looking like when it's late 50's and you're designing a mag fed, short stroke piston operated intermediate rifle in 7.62x39.
No one is going to go out of their way and change the way their rifle looks just to appease sperglords that appear 50 years later.

>>27803399
Does anyone even make 7.62x45 anymore?

>>27803373
>>27803328
This you fucking mouth breathing illiterate tard.

>>27803463
The AK's visuals were obviously copied, give it a rest.

>>27803484
no, you have to make your own

>>27803380
They still know what they are doing.

>>27803489
The Vz58 wasn't visually modelled after the AK?

>>27803497
>The AK's visuals were obviously copied

Almost every fucking intermediate rifle designed in Europe between 1940 and 1980 save for the bullpups looks vaguely the same.

>>27803455
The Cz 52 looks more like a Stechkin than a TT 33

>>27803455

They look nothing alike.
They work nothing alike.
They are 22 years apart.

>le epin czech copy meme

>>27803544
Riiiiiight.

So the Vz.58 wasn't visually modelled after the AK?

>>27803539
The only thing "copied" was the concept, and only because their Soviet overlords mandated that their military arms use the same ammo. Other countries could have designed their own weapons, but they decided that literally copying the AKM was a better idea.

Who is more devoid of creativity? The people who design their own guns to fulfill the same role or the people who looked at the AKM and Makarov and said "good enough"?

>>27803583
So the Vz wasn't visually modelled after the AK?

>>27803589

So the AK wasn't visually modelled after the StG-44?

>>27803598
Kind of, absolutely.

>>27803603
are you saying it wasn't done on purpose?

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>>27803358
This.
The word "copied" implies that it was done on purpose.
>>27803615
somehow quoted OP instead of who I meant to quote
but yes, I'm saying it was not done on purpose.

>>27803548
>>27803576
If you say so.

>>27803626
>it was not done on purpose.
Jesus christ what's wrong with this fucking board.

>>27803644

The layout was simply what was best known to work with that system at that point in time.
No one went and said "lol let's make our rifle look like the AK/StG/Dlugov/TKB/Vahan".

>>27803615
Ask yourself this:
"If they liked the gun so much, why would they bother to design a whole new gun instead of simply copying it like the rest of the Eastern Bloc?"

The visual similarities are coincidental.

>>27803644
get some fucking glasses and look at the guns next to eachother
the czechs caved and used the same rounds, the rest does not look all that similar other than handguard locations catching your eye first
even the handguns are actually quite different looking from eachother

>>27803677
>No one went and said "lol let's make our rifle look like the AK
>>27803688
>The visual similarities are coincidental.
>>27803689
>does not look all that similar

It's like I entered some kind of twilight zone of retardation.

>>27803710
>erryone else is retarded but not meeeeeee

Okay, bro.

>>27803754
Actuallym "erryone else" acknowledges the striking resemblance between the Vz and the AK.
You're the snowflake here.

>>27803763
>the striking resemblance

Go look up some of the assault rifles designed in the combloc between 1940 and 1980.
Then list the ones that didn't look like a slightly deformed AK.
Go on.

>>27803782
>other guns look like AK, so the Vz wasn't modelled after the AK

This just keeps getting stupider and stupider.

>>27803816
>everyone intentionally copied the AK aesthetics for some reason!

Or maybe.
Just maybe.
The layout just happened to be the best solution known at the time for any suitable design and the looks just followed.
...nah, that's stupid. Everyone copying AK aesthetics whether they were suitable or not explains it better.

>>27803535
>They still know what they are doing.
Not according to the BREN 805.

>>27803877
>The layout just happened to be the best solution known at the time
So you agree that the vz copied the AK's silhouette?

>>27804554
>>27803877
>>27803816
>>27803782
This is a stupid argument about semantics. Neither of you are completely right or wrong.

>>27803292
Czech SVD would be so fucking cool.

>>27804632
The vz was obviously modelled after the AK, nothing semantic about it.

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>>27804647
Its called the AP-67.

>>27804720
>AP-67
>Expirmental
>Real fucking Nato
> No scope
Not even close

What the hell are you faggots even argueing about? Goddamn, this is the most pointless thread I've ever read. Fucking absurd.

>>27803626
>it was not done on purpose.
So you disagree with that pic you posted?