What do you guys think infantry will look like 50-100 years from

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Well 50-60 years ago this is what they thought infantry would look like

I think thesheer fact that artists can imagine futuristic armor and gear but cant imagine a future rifle to go with it says something about the M4 series rifle.

You dont see much in between M4s and blatently sci-fi pulse rifles on the artwork and movie prop fro t.

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>>22359025
Both applies.

>Tier 1 : Spartans
>Tier 2 and the rest: ODST

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>>22359025
>implying that's an M4
>obviously 11.5" barrel

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>>22359195
The armor I can see but I don't know about the energy shields. Could happen though

>>22359095
Well, it wasn't that far off.

>>22359240
>I don't know about the energy shields
Magnetic shields do exist already.

>>22359122
I don't see the M4 being used 20 years from now. The issues with stopping power and reliability would justify switching to another platform

>>22359265
Can they stop bullets and be portable?

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>>22359269
Desert tech MDR

>>22359269
I do. 5.56 has been sufficient for a long time. If anything they're going to go smaller/lighter. A new type of ammo is the only thing that will justify a weapon change for the US mil.

>>22359388
What about a weapon system that eliminates most or all of the issues that the M4 suffers from? As our current weapons get older and require replacement we could just slowly replace them with another platform.

>>22359269
> stopping power
> inb4 5.56x45 was designed to wound

>>22359442
5.56 is a small round that does not stop as quickly as larger calibers. Something like 6.5 Grendel is more effective and has a larger effective range. The US just spent 1 billion on russian helicopters for Afghanistan, I don't see why purchasing a new weapons platform would be an issue of cost.

>>22359433
You're talking about millions of weapons with two different logistics trains. Fuck that noise.

>>22359433
We already just buy new M4/M16 rifles.

>>22359442
5.56 wasn't even tested conclusively. They put it into production before they determined whether it was any good. Guess what caliber their test said was optimal?
>6.5

>>22359563
And why not switch to a better system? The military spends far more money on other things so it's not an issue of cost. There are many issues with the M4/M16 platform. It is unreliable and lacks range, barrier penetration and stopping power. Why on earth would we continue to use it for another 50 years when there are superior alternatives out there? A piston driven system chambered in 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC would alleviate these issues.

>>22359433
Maybe but people are stubborn. Cost of training trainers, soldiers, armorers, etc. The gun would also have to be cheap. FN won the latest contract to produce the M4A1 and is making them for about $642 per rifle.
http://www.guns.com/2013/02/26/fn-lands-army-m4-contract-underbids-colt-remington/

I could see some sort of rocket-assisted bullets or something special like that, mainly for defeating body armor. Since more and more foreign militaries are equipping their troops with body armor, even the shitty poorly funded guys are getting it now. Obviously it'd be hard for a man to lay down accurate fire with a .50+ caliber type rifle to defeat body armor, so you take something around the size of 5.56 and once it gets 15 or 20 feet away from the weapon a rocket motor kicks on and it is moving so fast it can penetrate any sort of armor a man would be able to wear.

>>22359626

Thank god.

Even if you look at the old-school M16A2's that still float around the military for training purposes and what not. They were made by FN, and you can definitely tell the quality of craftsmanship in them versus the modern Colt M4's.

>>22359283
They attach them to vehicles, they aren't something you would put on a person though

>>22359761
Within 50 years that could change though

>>22359606
1 because most new rifles are better in some way but not every way and possibly worse.

The 416 is less accurate and has carrier tilt problems.

The g36, scar, and other ar18 based rifles are more reliable but again in all but a few cases like the L85 are less accurate.

Long stroke piston weapons like the AK suffer similar problems.

>>22359606
these superior alternatives are really only small improvements, not really worth wasting the money, especially when were not at war, and have no reason to replace what we have

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Let's be realistic guise

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>>22359798
>scar
>ar18 based
I was fucking waiting for somebody to say this. The SCAR is very different from the AR-18. Tiny tappet vs large piston, carrier guide rails vs riding on flat metal, extruded aluminum vs stamped steel. The only thing really similar is the bolt face and cam.

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> implying they'll be human.
Drones man, get a degree in robotics to understand how to defeat that shit.

>>22359025
>Pic related minus m4.

ahahaha

The US will be using ar-15 pattern rifles until 5.56x45 is no longer a viable military cartridge, which might well be more than 50 years.

>>22359240
in universe the Mjolnir armor went through several phases before it had energy shields. IIRC they didnt get shield technology until they reversed engineered it from alien tech.

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I imagine that by then robots will at the very least start taking on some jobs in the military like cargo loading/bomb diffusing along with supporting human infantry.

But I think we are a LONG way off before robos completely take the place of humans on the battlefield.

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>>22359162
>Unsheathed knife in webbing
>mfw tanto knife
>literally least useful shape for anything
>no quillions / handguard
>low quality handle
>taped magazines
>VFG
>M4
>Not a bullpup
>shotgun shells on arm
>belts and straps fucking everywhere

I don't think this guy understands military equipment beyond 'tacticool'.
Drawn well enough tough, shame its by an autist.


When I think 'futuristic soldier' I actually get reminded of the 'Muscle' sneaking suit from MGS4.

Basic ballistic protection, ergonomic, and beneficial to the soldier.
Obviously an actual camo pattern and not optical camo is more realistic, but I think this is the most realistic and useful 'future soldier' battle dress i've seen so far.

It isn't heavy, and isn't mechanical, so it won't fuck up and be potentially hazardous dead weight for you to drown in when you get shot.

>>22360117
Why does a drone need an IFAK and why is it on top of his robo dick?

>>22360117
Why did they give the robots shirts and a big TV head saying UN?

>>22359025
Follow the money. SOF gets all the cool things first, so I bet in 10 years every grunt will be wearing FAST helmets and carrying 416s

>>22360948
It's symbolic for control through Television
>>22360929
Whenever my battle buddy goes down, I grab my junk for medicine

>>22359384
Can't wait for that shit to come out.

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Born too soon to be a hot asian cyborg on a kawaii spider tank removing Russians and SouthAmericans.

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>>22359025

>>22360948
It has a shirt because it's supposed to be human-like. The little kid is holding the robot's hand so the robots are being used for more than just shooting people.

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>>22359025

>>22359095
they weren't entirely wrong though.

>>22360463
>Assuming it will ever be 'Ethical' to 'slaughter' humans with robots

The military gets enough flak for "fighting other peoples wars" and Killing "innocent" people who just happen to have radical religious beliefs.

The LAST thing they want to do is pull an OZ-tier stunt like sending drones to kill humans.

It is more likely than not 'Robots' will see combat, but it will only ever be in a support role, with the exception being the distant future, where W-Y Synthetics get sent on covert operations to collecty xeno samples.

More likely than not, human 'augmentation'/ 'cyberization' will be more popular post intelligence explosion than the alternatives, although it will definitely be subject to much debate.

And there will be many a soccermom screaming 'Say NO to implants cuz mah chillens!'


I really hope humanity gets it's shit straight soon, civilians are becoming really fucking retarded.

>>22361062
>Squid at a /k/meet

>>22359095
Take off the NBC gear, add mags to the chest, and you have a basic modern soldier

>>22361018
Everything about that picture is wrong.
>no spare ammo
>no gear whatsoever
>spider tank uses wheels and legs have 1 joint
>bright blue
>no seat, would fall off easily
>spider tank looks like it was engineered buy fucking teletubbies.
>purple mullet
0/10 would not operate with

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Probably something like this. Maybe a powered exoskeleton on the legs for increased load bearing ability, but I doubt by then we will have a material light and strong enough to be a viable full facial helmet.

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>>22361048
>Slaughter kebab with roboforce
>Hippies riot
>Roboforce slaughters hippies
I see no downsides

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>>22361066
All we know is he's called "The Squid"

>>22361093
tachikoma legs have 4 joints at least

tachikoma wheels turn into feet. roll for speed when you can and walk/jump/wall climb when you need to.

the major carries ammo on the back of her belt

the major has a bob haircut not a mullet

the major has a state of the art combat body. I'm sure it is more then capable of hanging on to a Tachikoma

/k/ is for Kusanagi.

>>22361140
Some say, he single-handedly services every glory hole in the continental United States,.and that he was Article 15'd for gaying up the US Navy.

blacklight had some cool designs

>>22361048
>More likely than not, human 'augmentation'/ 'cyberization' will be more popular post intelligence explosion than the alternatives
Cyborgs, eh?

We Rising now?

>>22361106
What about a facemask made out of kevlar or some composite supported by the exoskeleton? Wouldn't add much weight but would stop shrapnel and small pistol rounds. Add external cameras and a google glass/oculus rift type thing and you have a full face helmet with a hud. It's not the best solution but it's better than being blinded by shrapnel. Figure out energy shields and ammo counters
>we halo now

>>22359025
all I know is they will probably be coked up on steroids and Ritalin, be genetically modified in some way, and on top of that they would be mechanically and electronically augmented.

>>22360891
I can imagine future sneaking suits made from large flexible LCD panels. The "pixels" can be large irregular shapes. In a very simple camo system each section would only need to switch between two colors. "On" would be one color scheme and "off" would be another.
If you use a regular RGB LCD then you can adjust to any color and you can lighten/darken sections to match or counteract shadows.

>>22361190
That would be fucking cool

>>22359025
We will probably have some sort of Unmanned Ground Vehicle that is a walking robot capable of near perfect marksmanship and ripping heads off with its claws.

>>22361184
I kind of like Metal Gear's idea with artificial compound eyes. You can build them into faceplates and you get wavelengths outside of visible light detected with them too.

>>22361190
you can't flex LCD to my knowledge, you are thinking of OLED, which HAS been made as flexible screens already, it's also more energy efficient.

>>22360196
It isn't even a viable military cartridge now..

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>>22361148
>still carrying inadequate combat load
>haircut still looks like shit
>spider "tank" still looks like a mix between a spider and the noo noo from teletubbies
>spider tank is not a tank
>spider tank and "the major" look less fearsome than a roomba with a knife on it
>>22361018
>implying eggroll empire could ever take on Russia and South America
Weeaboos pls go shit up some other thread

>>22360117
I don't think 50 years from now we'll have bipedal drones capable of replacing humans. Maybe 75 years from now, but we'd need better AI for that.

>>22361330
>AI
>not bioelectronic gmo

Why do all the drawings depict huge bulky soldiers, more than likely we'll have some kind of super light bullet proof material.

>>22361363
>bioelectronic gmo
was dat

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>>22361248
6.5 grendel is the future
>YFW 6.5 grendel

>>22360111
But the AR-18 uses a 3-piece piston made of a tappet cup in front, a connecting bar, and a spring rod striking the BCG. Additionally the AR-18 has dual guide rods for the CG and extra mass above the actual bolt to raise the center of mass and reduce tilt. You really can't beat Stoner by piling on flashy cheese grater hand guards.

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>>22359384
>forward ejection for the casings
>ill be allowed to shoot left handed with a bullpup

>>22361433
Like with pistol calibers the minute differences in diameter between different rounds of the same power class usually don't confer a significant difference in performance. There are exceptions but an intermediate round with a well designed bullet will be able to perform perfectly well against armored and soft targets at ranges from 0-600 yards depending on the skill of the shooter.

Stop bickering about how bullet X is so much better than bullet Y because bullet X is 1mm longer and .0001 slimmer.

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>>22361433
>headshot

I seriously hate mallninjas hunting

>>22361433
lel headshot.

lrn2hunt faggot

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>>22361231
LCD can be made flexible but it doesn't flex quite as well as OLEDs. The difficult part is keeping the two layers of the LCD aligned as it flexes. I wouldn't use an LED for camo, it would light up the area. OLED screens are only more efficient compared to a backlit LCD. An LCD for camo would have no lighting or have passive lighting. The LCD would also be e-ink style, only using power when the suit switches.

>>22361531
>>22361548
Serious question from a person who has never gone hunting.

What's wrong with headshots?

>>22361564
It's inhumane if you fuck it up

>>22361564
+1 someone answer his question plox

>>22361564
Much narrower margin of error. You might just blow off the deer's jaw, then it runs off and you lose track of it.

Then the deer dies a slow death

>>22359025
>What do you guys think infantry will look like 50-100 years from now?
Don't know, but if we're talking about the US military they couldn't possibly look any worse than they already have for the past decade or so.

>>22361564
It's extremely easy to miss and if they don't die immediately, it's fucked up and inhumane

Can potentially brain damage the deer and it'll live

Aim for the heart
Even if they run, they'll die eventually

>>22361564
its way easier to blow it away aiming for heart, than it is to hit its head aiming at its head

>>22361572
>>22361586
>>22361596
This. I've actually seen assholes advocate hunting like this - blowing the nose off of a bear for example and letting it drown to death.

Cruel death to every one of those heartless faggots.

>>22360891
>not a bullpup.

Stop with this shit. Bullpups are not the Future. we've already been over many times how much they are shit

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All these pictures of future soldiers in tacticool poses, and yet not a single picture of a future soldier dicking around with expensive military hardware and getting themselves Darwined.

Fucking disappointed

>>22361649
What's wrong with them?
>inb4 mag changes

>>22361663
Terribad triggers
Exploding chambers next to your face
Don't fix any problems

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>>22359025

>What do you guys think infantry will look like 50-100 years from now?

Pic related

>>22361648
I have to
People legitimately say to intentionally aim for the head

Makes me fucking sick that people like that are allowed to hunt

>>22361675
this

Plus

>LOL LAYING DOWN
>Most people in the world are right handed, Lefties benefit nothing from constantly taking brass to the face.
>God forbid something go wrong in the trigger mech. like the damn Trigger bar Breaking, then LOL NO WORKING GUN AND dont know what happened

>>22361675
>Terribad triggers
Ever used a Tavor Timney trigger? Nnnngg
>exploding chambers
no.jpg
>D?????????????????????????

>>22361675
>terribad triggers
Maybe on some bubba sks conversion, besides it's not like the M4 has a good trigger.
>exploding chamber right next to your face
Unless you're shooting overpressure rounds or the gun is made by high point this isn't an issue

>>22361330
>I don't think 50 years from now we'll have bipedal drones capable of replacing humans. Maybe 75 years from now, but we'd need better AI for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFrjrgBV8K0
google bought this company out sometime last year

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>>22359095
people mock this design a lot but if I was facing attack from nuclear weapons I would feel more than comfortable wearing it (minus the explosive trench digger that is the most retarded unnecessary piece of kit ever conceived)

>>22361708
Tell me, what's it like being wrong all the time? It must really suck.

>>22361708
How would you break a trigger bar? It's a bar of steel under little to no stress
>LOL LAYING DOWN
Have you ever thought about slighty tilting the gun sideways?

>>22361729
>explosive fox-hole diggers

Anyone have like videos of this or something? They sound cool but highly impractical.

>>22361720
> besides it's not like the M4 has a good trigger
But its most definitely miles ahead of a fucking bullpup.

>>22361716
>Ever used a Tavor Timney trigger? Nnnngg
Yes, because everyone can buy a 2000 dollar rifle then pay even more to have to upgrade the trigger. If im paying 2k, it better already have a good trigger, and bullpups dont.

>>22361741
>>22361720
>>22361716
>didn't refute the claims in any intelligent way

>>22361727
That's fucking terrifying. Holy fuck.

>>22361729
>feel more than comfortable

>>22361743
Shit happens, maybe you fucked it up the last time you took it apart

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>>22359025

You guys are all way too optimistic.

>>22361675
>Terribad triggers
Depends on the design. Put the sear near the trigger, like the RFB, and it's good.
>Exploding chambers next to your face
True.
>Don't fix any problems
It's smaller. This is the main point. Even countries with bullpups try to make it smaller by making short barrel versions. It's a big deal to them.
It's better balanced, making it easier to carry.

>>22361708
>>LOL LAYING DOWN
Turn it sideways a bit. The mag sticks out as much as a traditional layout anyway.
>Most people in the world are right handed
We're talking about the future in this thread so make it ambi.
>God forbid something go wrong in the trigger mech
Nigger it's a fucking solid bar. It doesn't magically snap. It's not any more fragile than a regular trigger.

>>22360929
for saving human lives i guess, let's say a human gets shot or injured by an IED, the robot could probably treat them

>>22361749
Have you ever felt the trigger on a bullpup? I've felt way worse triggers on AR's I've shot than on the Tavor and FS2000 I shot.

>>22361727
What are you doing linking the wrong video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFQYUx8BuMs

The rise of the machines will begin with funk, as they strut down the streets, rifles in hands.

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>>22361773
LOL GUISE I ACCIDENTALLY TOOK A HAMMER TO MY TRIGGER BAR WUT DO I DO NAO? Also pic related is what prone is line with a bullpup

>>22361803
Yes, actually i have. My fucking DPMS has a better god damn trigger.

>>22361760
Because they're so stupid theres nothing to refute.
Just using the Tavor for example, the trigger isn't half bad stock(and it's not a $2000 rifle, it's $1400 TOPS, usually less.) Considering it's still a new technology, the fact that upgraded bullpup triggers are just as good if not better than stock AR15 triggers says something.

What exploding chambers? Well made rifles aren't going to blow up. Hell, even shitty rifles don't blow up catastrophically, whether or not it's near your face.

Pros of the bullpup - more barrel in a smaller package, the weight is balanced wonderfully- shouldering a Tavor or even an RFB is so amazingly balanced, you feel like you're holding a rifle much lighter than it is. It makes it easier to swing around, too.

lefty shooters- the Tavor can be adjusted in like three minutes to eject out of the left side. RFBs, F2000s, and P90s eject forward or down, eliminating the issue altogether.

Laying down- you have to lay prone a little bit differently, but it can definitely be done, it just takes adjustment.

>>22361816
Isn't that a whole bullet being ejected?

>>22361873
No. The brass is just discolored from the heat. It rotated really fast.

>>22361815
>The rise of the machines will begin with funk, as they strut down the streets, rifles in hands.
Powered by Google Systems and guided by Google Earth

And you thought all those address Captchas you filled in were to make posting inconvenient...

>>22361840
>DPMS
>raging this hard
The trigger felt fine to me. It might not win any competitions but it works fine for putting holes in kebabs which is what it was designed for.

>>22361552
what is wrong with you, anon already said oled panels are more efficient and are wa more flexible than lcds yet you still go on about it.

also colored e-ink will take over nicely for that application as well as in the civilian market

>>22361871
http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/iwi-us/tsfd16-tavor-sar-bullpup-rifle-5.56mm-16.5in-30rd-fde/


http://www.gunbroker.com/Rifles/BI.aspx?Keywords=Tavor

http://www.impactguns.com/iwi-tavor-sar-b16-223-rem-blk-full-top-rail-30rd-iwitsb16-856304004004.aspx

http://www.iwi.us/TAVOR/TAVOR-TSB16

LOL, Let me know when you find one for 1400. Even the damn MSRP on their OWN damn website says 2 grand

>>22361871
I can't comprehend why people still use the "hurr durr trigger sucks hurr durr brass in face dduuuuur exploding chambers" argument, it may have been valid a decade or two ago, but new designs eliminate these problems entirely.

>>22361978
Then explain why people still use the "HURR durr AR's Jam/suck/outdated" Argument when these problems have been eliminated?

>>22360185
This seems pretty likely to me, except I think that full face helmets might become a thing in the near-ish future.

>>22361996
They are far less reliable than other weapons systems out there. 5.56 fails to take down enemies as fast as other calibers, sucks at penetrating barriers, and is ineffective at longer ranges.

>>22361976
Idk whats wrong with all these places, but gunbroker is always high. I've seen four Tavors in local shops- one is 1200, another is 1200 used, the third is from 1600(the most expensive range in town), and the last is 1400. These are all retail prices too. Shop better, faggot.

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>>22359025
Picrelated...

>>22362102
>>22361727

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smAcZFTcL-0&t=1m13s

robot army hype go

>>22362034
>Anon provides sources to back up his claim
>HURR B-B-BUT Ive seen them go in local shops for what im pulling out of my ass!!!!!

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>>22362102
...or picrelated. Depending on which way we choose.

One source that's gunbroker, and always high as shit, and two other sources, one of them the manufacturers website. Not a great sample range. Next time I'm at one of my LGSs, I'll get a picture of the price tag for you.

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>>22362115
Actually my pic was from "Titanfall", but yeah, Keloid was just about right thing.

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Posting spess guns

>>22361675
>Terribad triggers
This isn't a bullpup problem, this is a QUALITY problem, extending the levers in a trigger should only theoretically result in a VERY SLIGHTLY heavier pull.
>Don't fix any problems
Longer barrels isn't a plus to you?
Integrated stocks to design?
Instead a piece of plastic with nothing in it the trigger mech is a few inches rearwards
>exploding chambers next to your face
Are you really this retarded?
The several inches closer to your face won't make a significant difference if you don't suddenly start aiming like a spastic, but the few extra barrel inches WILL make a difference to velocity.

None of your 'flaws' are bullpup specific, you just a hater.

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>>22362210
THis thread is full of haters.

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Posting best bullpup, replace bakelite with something black and futuristic and give the AK mag a window, also add barcodes, because barcodes are the future.

>>22361873
>Visible gases exiting muzzle
>"Isn't that a whole bullet being ejected?"

Think about it.

This isn't some bad video game dev, its the Army, even if "Hurr durr its a shoop" they wouldn't miss a detail as fucking retarded, even the signals guys they have fucking around with Photoshop went through 1RTB

>>22362254
Where does that shit eject? And why is it so damn ugly?

>Captcha natosse light

>>22362289
It ejects spent brass just like the F2000 from what I remember, also, it being ugly and weird was the only reason it wasn't picked, It was actually a damn good rifle from everything known about it.

>>22361048
>And there will be many a soccermom screaming 'Say NO to implants cuz mah chillens!'
Also humanity purists/supremacists
Humanity as current form is perfection. Anything more is heresy.

>>22362328
Haha keep thinking that, meanwhile I'll be over here watching youtube on my bionic eye and shooting lasers out of my arms. Have fun dying I'll just upload my consciousness to a robot body.

>>22362352
I only believe in purist ideals up to a certain point.
Humanity is better than robots/aliens.
Augmented humanity is greater than the entirety of the universe.

>>22362377
But what if we figure out how to fuck with consciousness and upload it to a robot body?
Like in this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETv3eNj46EM

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>>22362328
>not wanting to become a 10,000 year old war crazed dreadnought
>suffer through the glorious madness of living 99 lifetimes longer than you should, till all you have the capacity to remember is war
I'm normal

>>22362470
That's not human anymore, therefor it is inferior.

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>>22362202

>>22361062
>almost realistic/10
could be fielded nowadays, but chemical/biological hazards have NEVER been a viable threat or issue on the modern battlefield and our soldiers already discard half of their IBA because it's as heavy as they are stupid.

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>>22362471
>Not being top of your class through junior academy
>Not volunteering for the interior guard while underage
>Not training specifically for the trials in the service
>Not earning your scout armour at 25
>Not having lived more life in war than civilization at 40
>Not earning your terminator armour within your first century
>Being this much of a pleb

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>>22362309
It got problems with reliability, unlike AK. Pretty crazy mechanics inside. And yes, spent brass is exected straight down.

>>22362541
What makes it inferior?

>>22362587
That is incorrect. Casings are ejected forwards.

>>22361564
if you hit anywhere but the brain it's gonna run 10 miles and eventually die of shock or blood loss. Or not

if you miss the brain, your best bet is that the animals nasal passages have collapsed/been blocked and it'll drown in it's own blood a mile away

if you get a shot to the dome, you just ruined your mountable trophy.

for deer, and really any large animal, you want to shoot it from the flank through both lungs and the heart.

>>22362619
It isn't human.

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>>22362587
That's wrong, on both counts, there were no reliability problems, and this is the closest we understand from how the internals were described.

>>22362567
probably gonna get one of these and the carbine kit

and a cx4 fish gun

>>22362643
That isn't even an answer. What about being human is better than being robotic with a human conciousness?

>>22362697
Robot pls go.
Your inferiority to me is making this thread suck.
>Tfw made in God's own image

>>22362697
having a penis

stay mad tin can
>cyborgs 4 life

>>22362721
This is where I would link a picture of a Star wars droid with a cock, but that might get weird.

>roger roger

>>22362734
>if expanded universe was canon.jpg

>>22362721
>having a penis
>not having virtual drug and sex simulation programs
>not being immortal
stay mad organic

>>22362793
>having a penis
>having real drugs and sexual stimulation
>being functionally immortal, thanks to your drastically extended lifespan and ability to clone and replace new organs, stem cells, and neural tissue

all while not being a trashcan running linux

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>>22361027

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>>22362823
>getting sick
>dying
>stem cells and new organs doesn't mean shit if you get really fucked up.
>mfw I die and reboot in a new body
>mfw poor fags jelly they can't afford uploading and augmentations

>>22362823

if you're running on a machine, you can travel at light-speed to anywhere with an internet connection

>>22362860

What the fuck is this and why do I want to play it now

>>22362860
What is this from?

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>>22362115
>implying first world countries will be willing to endanger their citizens as infantry in 100 years

>>22362875
Destiny. New borderlands-y thing Bungie is putting out. Beta just ended a few weeks ago, not sure on actual release date.

>>22362880
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8XbsFxyYpE

>>22362875
>>22362880
Dostono

>>22362875
>>22362880
league of legends

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>>22361564
There is nothing wrong with a headshot. If you have a scope and you're close enough go for it. Through the brain or through the neck is a much quicker death than slowly bleeding out through the lungs and heart, there's no chance of ruptured GI organs, and no meat is ruined. There's a reason slaughter houses shoot livestock in the head with a bolt gun, shooting through the heart means a long, drawn out death and tons of coughed up blood as the animal simultaneously bleeds out and drowns in its own blood.

You won't have a mountable trophy but I don't believe in keeping trophies anyway. Other people will tell you it's cruel but the truth is most of them either just don't have the stomach for gore or they're terrible fudd shots.

And if you really need a trophy you'll still have other parts to work with. You just need to get a little creative.

>>22362904

the suggestion that we'll totally replace human beings with robots is an absurd fantasy thought up by people who want the war but not the death that comes with it.

sorry, but war is meaningless unless people die. legions of machines blasting each other to bits isn't war, it's just the prelude to the real conflict, which must always involve human beings - otherwise ,what the hell is the point? if nobody dies when you go to war, who gives a shit? nothing changes. nobody is inconvenienced.

thinking you can have war without the people is like thinking you can have sex without a partner.

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>>22359025
>>22359095
>>22359162
>>22359195
>>22359204
>>22359984
>>22360117
>>22360185
>>22360891

Implying that the fuckers causing most of the problems in the world will have joined you guys in your science fiction fantasies.

>>22362875
>>22362880
I'm pretty sure it's the Destiny Beta

>>22362980
>implying we won't rape them with drones if they become a legit problem

>>22361815
i would operate with Petman

imagine uploading a super loyal, commie hating personality into him

>>22362972
Are you autistic? What do you think people will do?
>guys lets just get rid of these robots war is pointless now
>humans go out to fight
>enemy still using robots
>humans get absolutely raped
What really would happen would be
>Our robots beat theirs
>Our robots burn their cities to the ground

>>22362972
>Thinking you can have war without people is like thinking you can have sex without a partner.

But you can easily do both of those things.

>>22362471
sheeeeiit nigga this ain't a WW1 thread

>>22361746

well in the Finnish army they sometimes use a small EFP to blast a hole in frozen ground that would be too hard to dig otherwise. After that you add another explosive (a small block of TNT) to make an instant foxhole for today's rotund ugric warriors.

The gist is to start it off quick and use the extra time to work on it some more. When I was in I got to use 'em, but no vids though since I'm a poorfaq :( they're not as loud as you'd think

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Mechatronic Engineering PHD here (ie: robotics)


Humans have no place on the battlefield of the future.
Power armor will not be utilized beyond experimental use.
Exoskeletons will not be used beyond experimental use.

we have almost reached what could be considered the highest point of technological advancement for Infantry units.

The human body is frail and weak. it is not a purpose built machine for war. we have adapted it to suit our needs of course, but what more use will there be in sacks of meat which are so easily broke and killed? what use can there be in slow lumbering targets, bumbling about on a battlefield they cannot comprehend?

The future is drones my friends, the future is purpose built machines birthed from fire and electricity to kill with great efficiency and zero remorse.


Your "power armor" is a futile attempt to keep up with these deadly machines. all those resources spent on pointless systems such as eating, sleeping, and overall biological living. Once the operator dies, what then? do you add in a system where the suit takes over....like a drone? then what need is there for an operator to begin with? if you don't have an operator and its just a drone why make it in such an inefficient bipedal design?

for your power suit I can make you a squad of drones, each one capable of feats no human would ever be capable of. speed, accuracy, precision, and the processing power of the most capable computers.
Your power suits are simply toys.

The insectoid form seems almost perfectly suited for warfare. and why not? is not the world of insects one consistent with a constant state of war and striving for survival?
The future of warfare is filled with nightmarish creatures of metal and electricity.

you do not belong on the battlefield with these masters of warfare.

>>22361746
basically this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangalore_torpedo

>>22363277
>Mechatronic Engineering PHD here (ie: robotics)

Your qualifications are admirable. But we're on the internet.

>The human body is frail and weak. it is not a purpose built machine for war. we have adapted it to suit our needs of course, but what more use will there be in sacks of meat which are so easily broke and killed? what use can there be in slow lumbering targets, bumbling about on a battlefield they cannot comprehend?

>The future is drones my friends, the future is purpose built machines birthed from fire and electricity to kill with great efficiency and zero remorse.
>Zero remorse

War is more than a simple act of killing. It is diplomacy. How can a machine replace a diplomat? The modern soldier is not simply a soldier, he/she is a representative of the country, its ideals and beliefs that accompany him/her. Machines cannot fully replace this last faucet of warfare.

>>22363299
jdf here
this shit is graet. we still use it for fances and barbed wire

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>>22363299
>Cue Medal of Honor: Frontline flashbacks.

I loved that game.

>>22363320

>Your qualifications are admirable. But we're on the internet.

fair enough believe what you will


>How can a machine replace a diplomat?

I in no way said that humans would stop having a hand in war and its business, I simply stated that humans have no place on a Battlefield. Diplomacy and politics will still be very much a thing.


>The modern soldier is not simply a soldier, he/she is a representative of the country.
>its ideals and beliefs that accompany him/her.
>Machines cannot fully replace this last faucet of warfare.

Who's to say that these machines cannot fulfill a similar role? stick an American flag on a drone, and instantly, whatever that drone does will be considered an action of America the nation.


But you bring up a good point. Its something that has kept me up some late nights. what if the drone had no clear markings of origin or owner. could this be the beginnings of some sort of proxy wars?
could nations war and kill without political backlash simply because noone can know who to blame?

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>>22361785
>tfw new mad max film

>>22363320
>War is more than a simple act of killing. It is diplomacy. How can a machine replace a diplomat? The modern soldier is not simply a soldier, he/she is a representative of the country, its ideals and beliefs that accompany him/her. Machines cannot fully replace this last faucet of warfare.

>Machines cannot fully replace this last faucet of warfare.

>soldiers are diplomats

>war faucets

you are dumb

I think we will try to reduce the weight of the gear and make soldiers more mobile.

>>22363277
so what your saying is drones will only ever fight other drones, so no actual killing in war?

are you retarded? eventually one side will run out of drones and need to fight using people, thus the requirement of equipment for human soldiers

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>>22361785
>>22363434

Yeah and the trailers even make it seem like it has a pretty good chance of not being complete shit.

I'm looking forward to it, although I heard its set in the US not Australia which is kind of a bummer.

>>22363277
You forgot to tip the fedora

>>22359095
>Helmet-mounted optics
>Eye-pro
>Comm gear on the helmet
>Ballistic chest protection
They were pretty darn spot on. Goddamn I am almost kind of impressed.

>>22363722
well, it's not as if the logic behind it really changed, the general needs were the same back then as they are now.

>>22361727
Yes and that is no where near where it needs to be to cook a fucking omelette, let alone going to war.

>>22363277
For being so frail and weak, we seem to do pretty well against EMPs and other forms of electronic warfare. Until you can kill someone by holding a magnet up to their head, humans aren't going to completely exit the battlefield.

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>>22361093

>>22359095
Future of warfare...Woodstock m14's....I'm in love

>>22361139
Don't you have school tomorrow

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ill dump

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>>22364268

>>22359673

proto-bolter when?

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>>22364275

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>>22364285

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>>22364296

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>>22364311
Anyone lurking?

>>22362009
Oh boy, are you ready to meet those vulcan assholes in 59 years or so?

>>22359204
kriss vector would be useless against advanced armored targets like the one in the photo?
thoughts?

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>>22361655

>>22362029
Yea full face helmets seem most likely due to built in thermal and nvg stuff.

>>22364324
yep

>>22364296
>>22364285
>>22364275
>>22364268
why his art is full of tacticool and retarded shit? like half of this shit will end up as a dead weight to the operator.

>>22361106
don't look at a full facial mask as some sort of bullet/shrapnel deterrent but instead something that gives soldiers a more readily available optics platform.

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>>22363387
fucking solid game

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>>22361106

This is Kruger before he became a drunk Australian hillbilly

>>22364472
he's seth efricen

>>22364472
Australian.. He's south african as fuck you moron

>>22364472
Reminds me of Shadowrun.

>>22364285
>50Cal for sniping.
>I bet he even fires it standing.

This guy doesn't really know shit about Snipers.

>>22364472
Way better what we've got.
I would've cringed if he was an Assassins Creed type of guy.

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>>22364472
Why does he wear a Ming-Chinese/Manchu brigatine armor?

Not that I dont like that, as it is the most underrated, but effective armor system in history.

>>22363617
>George Miller
>filmed in four different locations in Australia
>two different locations in Namibia
>also a studio in South Africa

Don't think you need to worry.

>>22362659
Lool`s like your version is incorrect. Loot at the freaking gun. There is simply no place for upper ejector tube. additionaly, how can there be no "reliability problems" if it packs so much precision mechanics inside?

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>>22364650
There are different variants of the TKB-022 you doofus.

Does THAT look like it ejects from the bottom?

also, it's not that hugely complicated, it's just weird, it outperformed the AK-74 in every way in testing, the only legitimate doubts that were had about the design was whether the bakelite was sturdy enough to make up the stock of a rifle or not.

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>>22364650
Here are all the known TKB-022 variants, the bottom right one, the TKB-022PM is the final variant.

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>>22361045
this.

>>22364690
>>22364705
Also worth noting the original version of the TKB-022 was chambered in the 5.6x39 experimental round, it was the only military rifle to take that cartridge, that cartridge would later develop into 5.45x39.

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>>22361045
>>22364711

>>22361299
In GITS Japan was the nation to invent radiation scrubber technology, making them the first to rebuild from the nuclear war. They eventually sold the technology elsewhere pumping huge amounts of money into their economy.
America also split into three, EU, Russia and China got very badly nuked. Not to mention they fought another world war after that.

>>22364711
>>22364752
What's this off?

>>22364650
It's not precision, and not really complex. The main differences between it and traditional rifles is that the 022PM separates the bolt face from the locking mech and that the 022PM uses that static ramp to lift cases into the ejection tube. That ramp is a lot simpler than the F2000's stupid mechanism.

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>>22364940
It's from a real time tech demo for Square Enix's new game engine, The full video of Agni's Philosophy can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU

>>22365148
>that webm
talk about some dark enlightenment type shit.

>>22365022
So Soviet Russia back in the 60's made pretty much the best bullpup rifle ever and did jack shit with it because it was weird?

Silly Russians.

> Civvies think I'm going to wear all this shit

Lol keep dreaming nerds. Whatever it takes to sell contracts.

>>22362115
Supposedly this has been green-lit to be a feature length film.

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>>22365181
Oh, you'll wear it because SOP said so.

>>22362471
War without end brother, war without end.

>>22364690
How does this thing even chamber its cartridges?
Is it even real?
There is no room behind receiver for traditional feeding mechanism.

>>22364311
>Dat TD

>>22365350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk

>>22365332
see >>22362659

Looks odd but it's actually not complicated.

Passed military trials but the people in charge were traditionalists, they couldn't handle having what would today still be a damn impressive rifle back in the 60's

>>22359728
My unit deployed with M16A2, some of them are marked Colt AR-15 with stamps over the auto. Then we also have some GMC ones.

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>>22365332
This image should also help, but it's in Russian.

>advances in computer science and robotics technology give a new meaning to "mechanized infantry"

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>>22365428

there will be no more infantry

>>22365437
>Urge to post droid porn rising.

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>>22365480
I liked the older trilogy better, but these guys were pretty boss.

>>22361727

It actually pisses me off that they did.

The president/CEO of Boston did a very restricted presentation for people in the field showing what they've got done behind the scenes and so on. He said that they were going to show some of the footage off in a few months. Then not more than a week later Google snatches them up out of thin air.

Dollars to donuts someone from Google was there saw what Boston was keeping quiet.

>>22365371
Kee-rist. That's same shit I had and I got out back in '86.

>>22365500
>boss
>couldnt communicate non verbally
>extreme limitations
>humanoid limitations
>slow walking style instead of treaded/wheeled for actual combat movement
Yea...

>>22364324

Why does he have a SATA cable attached to his right arm?

>>22364296
>grenades not in pouches

His Staff Sergeant would freak, that shit is not conducive to survival in a kinetic environment.

>>22365554
>implying they even had to be there
>implying Google doesn't datamine the shit out of everything we do every single day

>>22363277
You sound like some combo of Thomas Friedman (hint he has no brain or soul) and some futurist-autist giving a TED talk.
War is a dialectic, nerd.
What happens when we can just either selectively target or completely saturate battlespace with all sorts of bad radiation for a machine? What about jamming suites that already exist, that effectively kill the ability for these machines to coordinate?

To your point about power armor, lets look at the counter factual...what happens when the machine cant coordinate, or if the machine dies? All combat power is lost.

Above all nerd, Dead Carl still rules the day. Whatever machines might come old Carl Von Claus' still knows the game.

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nah man, gonna look something like this mixed with Talos armor

>>22359025
don't think infantry will even exsist except spec ops rest will probably be thre to act like cops or gard places from far away

most of the other stuff will be done by robots and drones

>>22365910
god fallout can't in to weapons but their Armour is damn cool

>>22361433
Is that a baby whitetail? Pretty sure you're not allowed to kill those.

>>22365910

>ww2 era canteen and bandoleer

okay

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>>22359025

50 years ago infantry wore helmets and boots and camo, carried semi-auto rifles.

50 years after that, today, they wear helmets that look pretty much the same, just with better materials, they wear some body armor, and they carry select fire rifles.

50 years from now, they will probably wear helmets that look pretty much the same just with some fancy gadgets, they will wear body armor, but again probably better materials, and they will carry select-fire rifles.

Technology advances fast, but not THAT fast in this case. Until we develop railguns and energy weapons that are man-portable, or energy shields, then they won't change much.

>>22359798
Obviously never heard of the SIG550
>Long stroke like the AK
>Even more accurate than an AR
>Good trigger for a military rifle
>will not jam

The barrel is heavy though, which makes it a rather front heavy weapon.

Still, it combines the two worlds in such an excellent way!

>>22365170
In Soviet Russia rifle be weird yo.

>>22365593
It's fuckin star wars bro

>>22366380
Technology advances exponentially.

The difference between today and 50 years later will be far, far greater than the difference between 50 years ago and today.

>>22362659
So if we roughly understand the idea behind the TKB-022 and it is relatively simple, why hasn't anyone tried to make one yet? It is basically the ultimate bullpup design in terms of length savings and still manages to have a frontal ejection system. It would be something worthwhile to pursue.

>>22368941
>futuristic helmet and shit
>m16

>>22369761
>aircraft that require no pilot and fly faster than the winner of the Schneider Trophy
>M2 machine gun

>>22369761
its light? i dont know.
make some 5-7.5 pound rifle in 556 or 762

>>22369838
wat

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>>22368941
>fully enlcosed helmet, probably with HUD
>still has an NVG mount
>sports an ACOG
>fucking goggles

>>22361564

Wild animals have prodigious levels of endurance & Resilience, sans you don't commit a full destruction of the spine, or brain.

I've been hunting with my father when I was younger in the 90s and seen a fucking buck come jogging out of the bushes willy nilly who'd obviously been shot in the neck 3 times.

three fucking times, and he'd gone on to heal through them. And grow to maturity, they were so fucking old hair had started to regrow from the scar tissue.


I've also seen ducks with fucking arrows sticking through them, or bird shot wounding.

You need to make your shit count. And there is retarded instances of animals surviving brain shots.

But punch a hole through their lungs, or heart and they leave this world in a flurry of running, then getting tired and falling unconscious.


Also, bait hunting is for fucking fags.

>Badass face mask and helmets will never be standard issue because they're so impractical

I just want to be ODST

>>22361655
I really want this now. I want all these artist drawing cool shit post pic of future soldiers dicking around.

>>22361729
well they kinda got it right.

I love how like every fucking "future concept" includes a fucking face mask.

Face masks are retarded and you shouldn't use one unless you have to here's a couple reasons why.

1) They're heavy as fuck. that's a bunch of weight that doesn't need to be there. Helmets are primarily there to protect you from shrapnel from air bursting artillery a situation where the head was struck a disproportionately large amount of the time and it was both necessary and prudent to armor the head. Added weight for a small benefit.

2) It is almost fucking impossible to get a good cheek weld with a face mask.

3) Psychologically speaking it dehumanizes you. It makes it easier for the enemy to kill you if they don't have to look at your face.

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>>22359025

>>22361018
Why is she wearing a 1-piece bathing suit? Is it some sort of wierd Japanese fetish thing?

>>22361729
>facing nuclear weapons
>molded rubber gloves
>nylon vest
>comfortable
I'm not sure having my clothing melt instantly and become one with the top inch of my flesh is my idea of comfortable.
A white snuggy would probably give you more protection.

>>22359025
I hope that in 50-100 years time the government won't have the money to outfit an army in that stuff

>>22370078
I think they were focused on what it would look like than function

>>22370024
This is the only future

>>22370111
what about the years before then?

future past?

>>22361048
No one's going to give a fuck about a bunch of ragheads getting killed by robots as long as their kids don't come home in body bags.

Surprisingly, it's better for the hajis, too. Think about it: a robot doesn't get bored, doesn't need to fuck. It doesn't sleep or eat bad meat and get distracted not trying to shit itself. A robot doesn't care about race, a robot isn't worried if the kid on the corner is a lookout for insurgents or a suicide bomber. A robot doesn't come to despise the country and people around it.

Sure, a robot can be killed, but it is in the end just a robot. We can build another. And Americans despite all their whinging and gnashing of teeth show no real urge to cut their tremendous military budget any time soon.

Imagine a future where an Iraq or an A-stan could be occupied with no cases of people cutting up the locals for trophies, raping little kids, whatever. A world where civilian casualties are reduced and when they do happen, the robots don't feel remorse. Insurgencies function on provocation. You can't provoke a robot or a drone.

>>22365554

Googles bought them in the hopes it could probably obtain a future multi-billion dollar asset.

I wouldn't be surprised if they're also snatching most of the people behind major prosthetic advancements as of recently.

>>22363005
>implying they won't adapt to it and thrive like always

>>22362952
but that's wrong retard

>>22368941

Who ever did this really needs to fucking work on their spastic desire to claim Tacticool fools.

They're fucking ruining the appeal of this shit big time.

Alot of the shit on this picture is just straight up noise. Filter that shit nigger.

For the record tho, I can understand the ACOG & maybe even a mono NVG. But no fucking birth control goggles. Or whatever they call'em

>>22367294
This. From the dawn of man to the middle ages we went from wood clubs and spears to maces, metal tipped spears and bows. in the last 500-600 years we've gone from swords and crossbows to airburst grenade launchers, trackingpoint rifles, and automatic weapons.

>>22361729
>Star of david on shoulder
I KNEW THEY WERE BEHIND THIS!

>>22370009
>Heavy
They'll most likely be made from lighter materials. Having your face protected from bullets and shrapnel is worth an extra 2-3 pounds
>Cheek weld impossible
HUD or modify gun to allow for cheek weld
>Easier to kill you if they dont have to look at your face
I'd argue you're more likely to die from shrapnel or a bullet to the face than you are from muhammad having a half second less hesitation when he pulls the trigger

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>>22370224
>thrive
>adapt to being hunted by killer robots who don't need to sleep or eat and have perfect target recognition and aim

>>22370009

There are guys who spend entire days with fucking dirtbike helmets mounted to their heads, and 2-3 Go-Pros along with a fucking pole of some sort for dynamic cinematography who do so without worry for neck injury.

Your shit is ignorant and short sighted, also. Muhammed doesn't fucking hesitate, and many soldiers would probably prefer to survive a shrapnel or bullet impact, rather then the empathetic effect the human face (should have) on another combatant.


You goddamn retard.

>>22361675
>Exploding chambers next to your face
Explosions aren't magic. They take the path of least resistance.
All they need to do is make sure the top and sides of the chamber are overbuilt and the bottom of the chamber meets specs.

>>22370126
>future
>all clothes, weaponry, anything is gone
Nigga what? Why would we be using animal skin and bows? Do you think some aliens are gonna come along, take every manmade thing in existence, remove all of our knowledge of technology, and leave us? Half of /k/ could build an SMG out of an old car. There's clothes everywhere. Society would rebuild once somebody creates a large enough group and gains power. Shit ain't ever gonna go back to the paleolithic days, we know how to make shit.

>>22361720
Squib rounds/obstructions happen in combat. But it's still not really an issue because all they need to do is account for that in the design. It has to fail somewhere, so make it fail in a safe direction.

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>>22370448
>>22370430
These fuckers are using their heads for more than a hat rack.

>>22370384
I'm sure killbots will need to restock, refuel, and repair. So they will have there own form of "eat and sleep".

>>22370471
Give them repair kits that can be used in the field. Send out resupply drones.
Have them run off solar

>>22370486
So they still stop to fix themselves and will still have limited run time per day, push them to hard late in the day/early evening and watch them shut down before sun rise.

>>22370592
Humans have to eat and sleep and apply first aid. It's the same concept. If they were actually used they'd probably have a long enough battery life to ensure this didn't happen.

>>22370641
I know just saying they will also have some down time.

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>>22370486
I'll nuke the sun

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>>22370722
THEN ROBOFORCE WILL SKULLFUCK YOU IN THE DARK. WE WILL RECHARGE WITH UV BULBS RUN ON GENERATORS. NO ANUS WILL BE READY TO RECEIVE THE HORROR WE WILL BRING

>>22370722
>>22370761
Isn't this how the Matrix happened.

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>>22359984

>being beep boop beep

>>22359095
>tfw no m14

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>>22371662
>tfw when you tfw with no f

>>22360891
I aways get a hard on when I see synthetic armor with fabrics on top like the rig of snaekkk