Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1841

I hate to be told that I should chose a kanji deck that I like or fits me better. So what is, in your opinion, the ultimate kanji deck?

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あのんをしんじるあたしをしんじて

>>17592961
眼鏡が口に見える

>>17592949
この僕が他の行き先をなくしてここに生息することになったからである
僕は何の取り柄もないゴミ人間である
関わるものを全部台無しにしてしまう前提の
居なくなった方のいいスレッド殺害者

もうすぐこのスレもおしまいだ爆笑

ドロシーってどこのくにのなまえなの

うぃざーどおぶオズのドロシーから

アメリカのいんしょうがあるんだけど

>>17592914
The one you make because it has things that comes up in what you read and listen to.

>>17593192
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_(given_name)
>Dorothy is a female given name. It comes from Greek Δωροθέα (Dōrothéa) meaning "God's Gift", from δῶρον (dōron), "gift"[1] + θεός (theós), "god".
ドロシーは女性の名前. 由来はギリシャ語の「神様からのプレゼント」と意味するΔωροθέα「ドロセーア」という言葉。それは「δῶρον」 （ドーロン、贈り物）と「θεός」（セーオス、神）から為したもの。

へたにしてちゅうとはんぱなごほんやくですけど

googleしてくれてありがとう

>>17592914
The Tae Kim one with ~800 words

Is it possible I'm not smart enough to learn Japanese? There has to be below average intelligence Japanese people, and they learn it somehow.

I'm not well versed in sex position, Is 対面騎乗位 the same as cowgirl ?

>>17593502
if you have to ask the answer is yes
people learn it because they live there among people who use it every day
unless you have that kind of input which is pretty hard for a gaijin to get youre always going to be stuck at a level of competency different from a japanese person forever

妹は不死者

ＤＪＴ冗談

>>17593502
I just keep telling myself that it isn't a race. Sometimes words pop up in my anki that I get so stuck on that I don't hit good for days. When I'm reading, I catch myself looking up the same words over and over, even if it appears twice in one sentence it happens. And grammar will probably keep being a huge stumbling block for years. But hell, dude, I wanna learn so I gotta keep trying.

I notice a lot of beginner courses/books teach you to ask how expensive something is/understand money amounts. Are there lots of stores that don't have price tags on things?

平等と公平は

きわめてこんどうさせやすく

はなはだべつのものであるから

つかうものはそのいみを

しんちょうにつかいわけなければいけない

>>17593502
>>17593625
Its not a race, but people don't want it to take forever, so they'll question the time it takes them.
Of course geniuses will exist, have fantastic memories and are swiftly able to grasp patterns and exercise mastery long before others.
I think its a case of people failing into their own little expertise syndrome regarding their own native language; its seen as an everyday, common sense thing.
Except its a great deal of knowledge acquired over a lifetime of exposure. The tools we have assembled here are afford a pace that far exceeds necessitating that amount of time. It's just hard to accept how much we already know as being important.

費用がすくなく機構がすぐれている不平等で不公平な制度は善です

あたしたちはそれを平等と公平の名の下に悪であると扇動されてはなりません

きをつけてねおにいちゃん

殺さない、殺さぬ、殺さず、殺さざり、殺そう、殺さむ、殺さん、殺さむず、殺さまし、殺さじ、殺される、殺さゆ、殺さる、殺させる、殺さしめる、殺さす、殺さしむ、殺さまほし、殺さふ、殺さば、殺さで、殺し、殺した、殺しつ、殺しぬ、殺したり、殺しき、殺しけり、殺しけむ、殺します、殺したい、殺したがる、殺したし、殺しそうだ、殺しやがる、殺しはじめる、殺しだす、殺しつづける、殺しおわる、殺しすぎる、殺しこむ、殺しきる、殺しあう、殺しまくる、殺しそこなう、殺しなさる、殺しうる、殺しかねる、殺しやすい、殺しにくい、殺しがたい、殺しづらい、殺しがちだ、殺して、殺しても、殺したり、殺したって、殺しながら、殺しつつ、殺す、殺すらしい、殺すらむ、殺すらし、殺すめり、殺すなり、殺すべきだ、殺すべし、殺すまい、殺すまじ、殺すと、殺すとも、殺すが、殺すけど、殺すから、殺すし、殺すようだ、殺すみたいだ、殺すやうなり、殺すなり、殺すごとし、殺すの、殺すに、殺すを、殺すのに、殺すので、殺すものの、殺せば、殺せど、殺せども、殺せ

>ヒールの辛さを知らない女
>ビールの辛さを知らない女

にほんごっておもしろいねおにいちゃん

I don't understand how なんだ is used.

他人なんだから

What does なん add to this sentence?

>>17594089
read a grammar guide

>>17594099
not reading a whole grammar guide for one grammar note. I've figured out enough on my own and I don't have time for that.

>>17594122
well then i guess it's because you're not reading a grammar guide

Is there a certain connotation with あたまがよくない? I was told it was pretty rude, more so than just calling someone not smart

>>17594099
nty I prefer a textbook because its written by actual professionals who can speak Japanese--not Tae Kim

>>17594089
maybe learn how to use google
though just a lil tip dont search nanda because youre not gonna get what youre looking for here
anyway good luck with google the official japanese sponsor of djt

>>17594177
well yea I obviously already tried that.
Either way I figured it out. I'll probably never return since you guys were a bunch of circle jerking self important cucks.
I already understood what のだ conotates as I just didn't realize んだ was an extension of that.

>>17594145
That's why you read Sakubi

>>17594214
hey man i wish you the best and its a good idea not to return not because of anything you posted but like because this isnt the place to construct real understanding

>>17594134
あのんはあたまのよくないフレンズなの？

>>17594299
多分

Why in the fuck does this language have so many synonyms for words that don't need fucking synonyms like husband, wife, house, name, etc and how am I supposed to know when to use which one? It doesn't help that to make compound words in English we just combine words together but these people come up with something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT!

>>17594322
Why in the fuck does this language have so many random letters for words that don't need fucking them like though, high, through, knife, etc and how am I supposed to spell it when I hear it? It doesn't help that to spell in Japanese we just write each sound to kana but these people come up with something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT!

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>>17594322
casual/familiar, not ones own/common and then maybe strictly legal and honorific titles I can see manifesting
its not a big deal

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Reminder not to fall for the Anki and grammar study memes.

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>>17594401
what happens if I did and I can now read a lot of japanese? is there any way to undo this

>>17593502
>Is it possible I'm not smart enough to learn Japanese?
No. Unless you can't even understand your native language properly, you have no excuses. The only people who get to say "I'm just not good at languages" are people with mental disabilities.

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>>17594401
but what if the memes helped me?

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>>17594423
Are they memes if they help?

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考えすぎる子ですね
参加します

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>>17594431
What makes a meme a meme?

>>17594309
でもあのんとはなすとたーのしー

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わからないの？

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>>17594488
もちろん

Is it a very bad idea to learn every words that has kanji associated with them through kanji, even if they are regularly written with hiragana? Like >>17594501

>>17594401
Yeah, it's better not to even look stuff up, just stare at walls of kanji all day until you magically start learning to understand japanese. gomenasai anon

>>17594525
Is it bad to learn how to drive a manual car if there are so many automatics around?
if you come up against a manual, you're fucked

Can someone explain me what's going on with the　米　kanji? In the app I'm using to study it says it's rice/USA (in the app doesn't say America but USA in this case), but adding　南　on it as　南米　it becomes south America. I understand that USA is referred commonly as America but don't they use　アメリカ　to refer to USA? Was the guy who made the app smoking some shit or both are used? How should I refer to America (country) and America (continent)?

>>17594536
America can be both 米国 or アメリカ. 米 on its own is usually rice/こめ

亜米利加最強
世界支配者ナンバーワン

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I think I'm not making any progress even though I read on a regular basis.
People told me it's fine "if I get the gist of it" and I do 95% of the time, but I don't improve that way or at least it feels like I don't.

I read slow as fuck and there are bits and pieces I don't understand here and there.
Like I get what is said but there might be some little kana word or grammar piece I don't get.

I think I need to go for 100% comprehension in order to get better.
What do you think?

>>17594559
Look up words and add them to your mining deck if you can't remember them just by looking up. Do the same with grammar pieces.

>>17594547
Thanks. Weird that rice+country would be USA instead of Japan or China.

>>17594559
If you think so, then go for it. In my opinion one should trust one's own intuition when it comes to finding the best way to learn

>>17594559
You should always be aiming for as much comprehension as possible. It is fine if you get the gist of what's being said/what you're reading, but you constantly have to challenge yourself into understanding it more. The more time that passes the faster you'll be at reading, or at least it works that way, just make sure to always do a conscious effort instead of falling into mental stagnation with no intention to improve.

Just expose yourself with no fear and look up shit/use google, then try to keep those things in mind for as long as possible.

>>17594567
Yeah but it doesn't really mean rice in that context, it's just a random kanji that has been assigned the meaning of america, like 英 is for britain and 独 is for germany for example.

>>17594577
Ok, got it. I thought they all had relation to the kanji meaning since 日本 (first country I believe most learn in kanji) seems to have some semblance with the country. Thanks for clarifying.

>>17594501
あなたってホントウにサイテイだわ

ロジャースミス

Fun fact: 魚 is not a member of the set that is 肉. Fish is not made of meat according to Japanese people, they are separate things. At least culinarily.

>>17594664
Fish and meat are two different things, yes. Is it not so in English culinary tradition?

>>17594664

As it should be. Fish meat is basically a vegetable.

>>17594525

The only downside as far as I can ascertain is that you might come across as a bit of a tryhard fancypants if you overuse kanji when hiragana would normally be used.

>>17594705
>>17594709
You heathens. There is no difference between land animal meat and sea animal meat. It is both the flesh of animals. They just taste a little bit differently but no more than chicken tastes different than beef for example.

>>17594719
Ah, that's fine. I already come across as a tryhard fancypants when speaking in my mother tongue, due to autism. Wouldn't want to break the consistency.

I'm really sorry to be annoying, but I'm reading something and three sentences back-to-back are confusing me. If I'm stuck on a sentence then I try to rely on the next sentence and/or the situation's context, but both are failing me because so much can be applicable in this certain situation.

それよりカバーできる場所探してた。。。
This is annoying because in this situation, 'searching for somewhere to cover something' and 'leaving the cover to look for something' are both applicable. できる and 探してた in their respective tenses are also throwing me off.

お前ってそーだよなー
I feel this sentence's meaning could change depending on above.

やべ今出れねーじゃん
Again, I'm kinda fucked over by context in this sentence. I learned through searching that 出れ can mean answering your phone (and the character's phone is indeed beeping), but people outside are also coming in and it might jeopardise them leaving the room they're in. 'やべ' reinforces the idea that it's dangerous to leave, but someone's phone going off isn't all that dangerous.

Sorry for rambling, I really am trying.

>>17594709
considering fish might aswell be plants floating in water

yeah

質問があります

>>17593670
>>17593928
よめる？

>>17594719
>that one cunt that writes する as 為る

for WHAT purpose

陰気な女の子とセックスしたい
後で彼女をいじめたくてお腹を蹴りたくてどんな苦しい顔をするかと見たくて・・・彼女のことが大好きからさ
そんな子なんてあらへんけどな～

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>>17595353

>>17595366
僕がずっと前から壊れちゃったから少し壊れた子を見つければ彼女をちゃんと壊ればええわ～

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Can anyone help me identify the Kanji here?

I started to learn Kanji with Anki today, using the 2k/6k deck. I had to limit the number of new cards to 5 and do extra repetitions, because there's no way I remember stuff that I only see once a day, even if I'm shown it ten times in a row.

Any tips for how to set this up better? Custom practice seems weird. Will I get used to learning this? Numbers give me brain cancer with two different pronunciations depending on the usage.

I did 20-25 kana a day before this, so I'm a bit surprised by how much trouble I'm having with this.

>>17594889
Dude, what's the context? I don't really think it's 'searching for somewhere to cover something', but rather that he's looking for someplace to hide.

>>17595503
Honestly, numbers are pretty low priority if you're focusing on learning for your hobbies. Just make sure to get their meaning right and at least one pronounciation. Real words are what's important.
Also, starting to read as soon as possible helps a lot since you'll see lots of Kanji in actual use.
Something with Furigana like Jump manga would be probably best to start out.

>>17595503
You might benefit from Custom Study - > Review forgotten cards. I do the daily study session and then two 'review forgotten cards' sessions (set to three days of forgotten cards) every 24 hours. I've gone through sessions where no cards are sticking, I take a few hours' break, do 'Review forgotten cards' and the constant repetitions help it stick.

Just because you're struggling now doesn't mean you'll struggle with every study session. Most people find the beginning to be the hardest, give yourself time.

>>17595539
This might be a stupid question, but how does anki determine which cards are forgotten ones?

I had more trouble when I was starting kana, that's true. Hopefully this will get easier as well.
Thank you.

>>17595532
I plan to start reading real text once I finish reading a grammar guide. At the moment I'm slowly working through that and learning Kanji, so I'll ideally be able to read at least something by the time I finish.

I guess I can check out One Piece then, thanks for the idea.

>>17595525
The context is that a character left his group, the group continued as normal, they then got worried and one of the characters left a safe place to go look for him. The speech bubble is also kind of ambiguous, so I don't know if it's the hider saying something like "I left for a place to hide" or the person who found him saying "I left the safe place (cover) to look for you!". The person who left the group did so for a stupid reason and now the person who went looking for him is mad.

So you believe it's the person who left the group saying he was looking for somewhere to hide? Sorry again to be a bother, this is the first time I've misunderstood so many sentences in a row and it's bugging me.

>>17595503
At the beginning, I believe getting a handbook and writing a few hundred first words really helps with remembering them. You don't need to produce them from memory (it's hard and not worth it with computers/smartphones), just reproduce the kanji with correct stroke order, then write hiragana reading and translation next to it.

Other than learning the basics of writing and stroke order which is sometimes a bit useful, I found writing the moonrunes quite fun, so I looked forward to my anki reps.

>>17595565
Anki mainly works on three measures:

>Again: I forgot the card, please show it again.
>Good: I recognised the card.
>Easy: This card is easy, don't show it often.

If you forgot a card, press 'again' and Anki will add it to the list of cards you've forgotten.

>>17595580
Oh, thanks. I've been using the red thing a lot.

>>17595578
I intended to ignore stroke order until I have learned a lot more than I know. There's a lot of information as it is and I need to get up to a certain level before I can even begin to practice with natural sources.

>>17595503
You could learn the radicals which will make some kanji much easier to recognize. Some make no sense and others only give you a vague idea, but it helps a lot with some of them. Even a small queue is better than having no knowledge of them so your brain just has to assign meaning to what is basically just a bunch of squiggles to it.

I have a much easier time remembering the meaning of words like 被る (wear) and 液 (liquid) when I know the former has the radical for clothes on the left and the latter has the radical for water. There are plenty more examples where just seeing one radical you know the meaning of can make it easier to remember.
Personally I think getting familiar with the radicals is superior to coming up with mnemonics but you can do both if you like.

>>17595636
>small queue
One might say that I'm retarded and meant to say cue.

>>17595636
I'm still thinking about whether I should look at radicals, because as you said it's not all that useful much of the time, and it takes a lot of effort for its payoff. Most people seem to advise against it, but I'm not sure. I'll see how learning them goes.

>>17594089
It's a shortening of なのだ, so it makes the sentence more explanatory. I don't know why people are being assholes about this question.

>>17595701

Using radicals and putting them together into a visualization which ties to the meaning of a kanji is a great memorization method once you get the hang of it. Sure it costs a little time initially and exceptions still need to be studied separately but it's a time gain in the long run.

The big secret is that all Japanese words can be easily learned the same way, just by assigning a visual counterpart for each kana/common sound and putting them together into a small scenario for each word. I've been at 90%-95% retention for well over a year due to how easy it makes to remember words, it's almost like cheating when you have it down.

>>17595732
That sounds interesting, can you give an example?

Can you recommend a radical list for anki?

>>17595701
>and it takes a lot of effort for its payoff.
Where did you hear that? They're not much effort at all. The radicals deck in the OP is only 240 cards in total and all you need to do is remember what they mean and it'll come in handy for a lot of kanji.

>because as you said it's not all that useful much of the time
I didn't say that. I said there are cases when it won't help and sometimes you only get a vague clue from the radicals. The radicals alone won't help you understand kanji, but they do help a lot. If you'll need to memorize over 2000 characters in the end then any way to make identifying said characters easier is a good thing.

Considering it only takes, at most, 2 weeks to get familiar with the radicals, I don't see why you shouldn't. And I don't see any downside to it either. In the worst case scenario the radicals of a kanji don't make sense or contradict its intended meaning, but there are far more instances of kanji making MORE sense because of the radicals than there are instances of radicals making the meaning unclear.

Ultimately the choice is between going in completely blind and learning 2000+ characters from scratch or finding patterns and similarities to group kanji into at the cost of maybe a few dozen making less sense.

how am i supposed to learn
起きる
起こす
起こる
in one session?

There is a sentence in Hanahira that I don't understand.
Amane and Kaori used a プリクラ and then koharu and makoto want to use it too, koharu then says this 「あまねちゃんたちとか、お母さんとかしかなくて」
What does this sentence mean, it looks simple but for some reason my brain just can't comprehend it, please help me out.

I wanted to post the lines that come before it but 4chan won't let me.
>"Error: Our system thinks your post is spam."
fuck you too

>>17595782
Can't be too hard, faggot. Those are all really common words.

>>17595740
>That sounds interesting, can you give an example?
Not him but some examples:
道 (road) = 首 (neck) with the radical for walk underneath. I don't do mnemonics much but you can think of roads as being long necks you walk on, in the abstract sense.

森 (forest) = 木 (tree) 3 times but this is just too obvious and is just a massive exception. Though things like 協 (cooperation) being "power" with the heart radical on the left also makes sense because of it.

Basically any kanji that includes the radical for hand becomes easier to understand. 持つ (to have), 握る (grasp), 拍手 (clapping), 捨てる (discard) etc. etc. all become easier to recognize when the radical for hand makes it clear it's most likely something you need hands to do.

Almost any kanji with the radical 貝 (shell) in it becomes easier to understand if you know that people of olden days used shells as currency. 財布 (wallet), 投資 (investment), and 外貨 (foreign currency) become easier to remember when you know that.

There are many, many more instances where seeing one radical has helped but honestly I'm only about 8 months into studying the language so I'm not good enough to remember this stuff and write it down on the fly. Knowing the radicals almost always comes in handy and I'd probably not be where I was now (not that I am very adept, mind you) if I didn't learn them.

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>>17595479
Anyone?
Tried radical search with jisho, but I can't even find the first one.

>>17595743
>>17595806

You convinced me, I'm putting the radical deck on my phone once google drive starts to work again.

>>17595782
Funny you say that, I studied those yesterday and I thought they were fine.

起きる - Getting up is 'ki' to starting your day.
起こす - Waking up 'su'cks.

Yes I'm an idiot.

>>17595831
Don't listen to those fuckers.
You'll just slow down your word learning.
And you don't need a fucking radical deck to learn what 手 means and realize that this Kanji is a part of other Kanji and those Kanji might have related meanings.

>>17595740
For example, for 然 you can imagine a camp at night, with a campfire, a moon and a dog. I don't give a fuck if the 月 shape here stands for "meat" and not "moon". If you get a good picture, you won't even need to tie it to the kanji meaning, for you'd remember it naturally. The point to use your own mnemonics, not premade like Heisig's.
>Can you recommend a radical list for anki?
I think there's one in the guide.

>>17595843
What if I write 起こさないで?

>>17595843
>>17595782
More like る/す is a common distinction between intransitive/transitive verbs. Like for 落ちる/落とす

>>17595843
i got a hang of them eventually
起こる　looks&sounds like occur but is actually a synonym
起きる is occur but isn\t okoru
起きる getting up is an unfortunate event
起こす that leftover word

>>17595854
I'd hope that someone who's nearly 400 words into Core2K would know about conjugating verbs.

>>17595860
That's the intelligent answer, my brain goes for the dumbest and goofiest way to remember something.

>>17595846
>And you don't need a fucking radical deck to learn what 手 means and realize that this Kanji is a part of other Kanji and those Kanji might have related meanings.
Yeah, let's assume you figure out that 手 is almost always in a condensed form and NOT straight up drawn the same and that you also figure out 水's condensed form. Now just do the same for all radicals on your own because you're hardcore and are in such a rush to learn the language that instead of spending just one goddamn week or two on getting them down.

No, you don't need to learn the radicals to learn Japanese, but then again neither do you need the latin alphabet to speak English if you think you'll manage fine just learning the words.
I genuinely don't see how putting one week aside to learn something for a language is a bad thing when it WILL take a very long time to learn the language no matter if you start reading native content from day 1.

>>17595740

For example たら for me is always "tarantula", and たらたら which means either dripping/trickling/etc. or incessant/profuse (usually in the context of complaints and such) is "I got incessant complaints about tarantulas trickling down from the cracks in the ceiling."

あ is albino, ひ is Hitler and る is Russia so アヒル (duck) is "Albino Hitler gifted Russia with a duck pond as a sign of goodwill".

しん is Shinto priest, にゅう is new (try to avoid hard-to-visualize things like "new" though) and しゃ is Shantae, so 侵入者 (しんにゅうしゃ - invader, trespasser, etc.) is "Shinto priests invaded the new manor Shantae had bought". Of course kanji words require some knowledge about the kanji first, but like I said the system is the same there.


The conclusion people usually jump to is that "coming up and remembering all those stories is more effort than doing it the normal way" but that's nonsense, you don't need to actively remember and think about how to operate a coffee machine because your brain will bring out the necessary knowledge from suspension when you need to make some coffee. Similarly visualizations will go into suspension and come out when you see the word and can't remember it, you don't need to constantly keep them in mind. Then they'll slowly fade out as the word enters your long-term memory and they're no longer needed.

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>>17595921
Not that guy, but how long have you been studying? Because your "method" sounds really ass-backwards when I read it, but it might be just because I grind shit till I learn it.

>>17595895
>No, you don't need to learn the radicals to learn Japanese, but then again neither do you need the latin alphabet to speak English if you think you'll manage fine just learning the words.
That's a real stupid statement considering you can surely find nips that don't know about your stupid radicals.

>>17595968
Not ones who graduated high school.

>>17595968
that's a real stupid statement considering nips learn radicals in school

>>17595968
>That's a real stupid statement considering you can surely find nips that don't know about your stupid radicals.
Because they rote memorize it, like you insist on doing? Sure, if you really want to because it's "more natural" then go ahead.
Basically you're saying "I want to make it harder for myself because that's how the Japanese learn it." Never mind the fact that they grew up surrounded with the language while you're way past the prime age to intuitively learn languages like they did.
Keep on being hardcore all you want but keep it to yourself.

radical freedom

>>17595479
厨房の危機

Heads up, AppLocale will work for a lot of games. But changing your system's region to Japan will work for a lot more. Some games will actually run like shit until you change the region.

>>17595964

Man my studying activity has varied so much that I couldn't give you an accurate time, but roughly a couple of years and with about 100k reviews in Anki. I've mined a few thousand words and have a visualization for most of 'em.

And I totally know what it sounds like, but pretty much all powerful memorization techniques are based on visualization for a reason. People who compete in memory championships and such don't memorize the cards in a card deck, they memorize visualizations linked to those cards and then link the visualizations into a long chain of events to keep the order straight. Concrete imagery just sticks in the human brain in a whole different way compared to abstract stuff like numbers or words or kana.

>>17596029
Thank you, I love you.

Do any of you anons know of a Fantasy/Magical based Anki deck? I've been trying to find something like that for a while.

>>17596036
What bugged me were the somewhat long and complex mnemonics, but I guess if you aren't hurrying it can be viable. I try to keep a faster pace recently (to atone for slacking during starting days), so I just remember "家鴨" is read "あひる", means "common duck" and I learned it by checking dictionary when watching ducks. Then I just grind it, after a few times seeing it sticks. Quantity over quality.

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>>17596050
Well this isn't an anki deck nor is it fantasy but I guess you can still find some words used in a fantasy settings and just mine them.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Japanese/Vocabulary/Videogame

I'm also interested in Fantasy, 魔法少女 and porn vocabulary if someone has a good source for that.

>>17596050
>>17596086
If you're into tabletop rpgs, you can read 5e basic rules in Japanese and mine from there.
http://hobbyjapan.co.jp/dd/news/5th_dnd_pg/
One day I'll work up the courage and try DMing a game in Japanese.

>>17596086
it's a start, thanks anon. I'm sure a deck exists somewhere. we may have to sacrifice a few magical girls to obtain it however

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>>17596064

>What bugged me were the somewhat long and complex mnemonics

Yeah, that's because they're in text form, but you don't memorize the text itself. The visualization is like this painting. If you try to (accurately) describe every aspect of it in words to someone it's inevitably gonna end up sounding long and confusing, maybe downright nonsensical. But if you show them the painting itself, every aspect of your entire long-ass description is right there, contained within a single image which you can easily picture in your head.

If you take a bit of time looking at the painting and memorizing its details, it's entirely possible that a couple of years from now when you see the same painting again in some completely different context, even if you haven't thought of it for a single second in the interim you might go "Hey, I remember seeing this painting before" as your brain brings the image of it out of suspension. It's the same deal with visualizations, and why they're so effective.

>「全部声が誘導してくれるから、わたしたちはその通りに動けばいいんだよ」
Is that an idiom or something or what is a 全部声?

>>17596195
全部 is an adverb modifying 声が誘導してくれる

>>17596195
It is two words, 全部 and 声

"The voice will guide you through everything, so you just have to do as it says"

>>17596197
>>17596200
>"The voice will guide you through everything, so you just have to do as it says"
Well I read it like that but I thought that doesn't make sense (it still doesn't to me) but I guess it can't be helped then.

Thanks anyway.

how many days does it take you to learn a word?
i don't remember half the words from yesterday and i routinely have to redo words that should be borderline mature

>tfw brainlet

>>17596221
eat fish oil

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>>17595784
Can anyone help me?

>>17596245
post picture

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>>17596258

>>17596221

It's impossible to say you've learned a word until a long time after, recognizing it the next day doesn't mean you'll still recognize it a year later. If you do, that's when you can say you've probably learned it.

If you're having trouble try to figure out what's causing it and what you can do to fix it. "Bad studying method" is a lot more likely explanation than "bad brain"..

>>17596287
i know but from what i've read here people claim they have abillion mature words and they never, ever fail them and they learn 30 new words a day or don't even use anki at all and japanese is really easy, but i keep failing mature words and can't even remember ever having seen a kanji when i studied it yesterday and it should be fresh because i pressed again on it 7 times or some shit and failed it multiple times in a row minute after minute

>>17596310
>from what i've read here
You shouldn't put too much weight on what people on 4chan tell you.

>>17595130
読めるんだけど

>>17596323
it's everywhere else on the internet too, if you google "how long does core6k take" there's people saying they did it in two months by doing 100 new words a day and >900 reviews

but like my original question was, is it normal to struggle remembering words and to forget "mature" words or am I just retarded

I take zinc, d3, omgea3 and multivitamin supplements every day

やばいストレスがするぜ

そうですね

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>>17595784
>>17596245

>wanted to post the lines that come before it but 4chan won't let me.
>>"Error: Our system thinks your post is spam."

Maybe because it contains the phrase in my pic. Edit that out and try to post it again.
The sentence you want translated is very context dependent.

>>17596245
あまねちゃんたちとか、お母さんとかしか(一緒に撮ったことが)なくて

>>17596352
Its perfectly normal. I'm pretty sure those people didn't actually learn the words. They just brushed over it. Otherwise everyone would constantly learn new languages. Its not that easy.

>>17596352
Just read more. I've found that the only words that give me trouble are the ones that I only see in Anki.

(And words that I remember backwards for some reason like 供給 as きゅうきょう until I learnt the word 給料. This occasionally happens with random words and I feel dyslexic every time.)

>>17596279

Isn't she just saying she's only taken photo booth pictures before with people such as Amane (+たち so her buddies or whatever) and her mother?

>>17596399
>Maybe because it contains the phrase in my pic
Good to know thx.

>>17596418
I see thank you, I didn't recognize the words as しか and なくて, but even if I did, I probably wouldn't have realized that she is refering to 一緒に撮ったこと
How did you know?

>>17596429
Yeah thought it could be something like that, but I wanted to make sure it's correct cause I've been completely wrong with my guesses in other cases.

>>17596399
Wow. How come this is filtered?

>>17596531
The admins once added a button that posted that to parody a reddit upvote or facebook like or something. Or maybe it was the 4chanX extension that did it. Either way, when the joke was over people kept posting it. So the admins got pissed and filtered it.

>>17596547
そうですね

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Holy fucking handwriting.
Someone here that wants to help me understand this? I think I stared at it for like 20 minutes now, but I can't make out what these scribbles are supposed to mean.
Judging from the context, it's probably food related.

>>17596612
もともとこったものは作れませんが
もともと凝った物は作れませんが

>>17594889
>>17595568
Giving this (and the follow-up context post) a cheeky bump since the thread is more active.

>>17596621
Thanks anon, that makes sense.
But how the hell did you guess that た? I guess it's experience? Just looks like a mumbled も to me.

>>17596641
Not him but I clearly see た there. Compare it to the actual もs and you can see the difference.

>>17596279
>「あまねちゃんたちとか、お母さんとかしかなくて」
I've only done it (photo booths) with Amane-chan and co. and my mom.

>>17596641
I have no reason to expect も to come after こっ.
It never looked like anything but た to me until you pointed out that it could maybe look like も.
It's the difference between being able to read whole sequences at once and reading character-by-character. I can just look at the general shape of the sentence and my brain automatically fills in ambiguous spots based on which types of words could possibly appear in which positions.

>http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats
To anyone currently managing or contributing to the VN scripts stats site. I extracted and formatted the VN scripts for Parfait and White Album:

Parfait
https://mega.nz/#!TY5kwDia!AfuC_FzI50hqP-7uQA88w9gAjgT9ufB2bge6pMXisPs

White Album - Tsuzurareru Fuyu no Omoide
https://mega.nz/#!fZ4WnZCI!sYKxtUUgOdZ9rv6sZW8IRtLr8_gxgZ7f9uHnOexf0sA


I don't have a bash shell setup right now so someone else will have to run the analysis on those.

I feel like I learn words from my mining deck much more easily than I do from my core deck. I'm still new at mining, so it might just be that there are less cards and thus my brain sees less "possible answers" for each card, but I think this might just be the best way to approach learning vocab.

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Does the concept of 下町 hold any connotations regarding the quality of life or residents of the 町 in question?

Or is it just a place inside a city with an oldtown atmosphere.

>>17596628
Post the actual panel, cluster of panels, or page it appears on. Your "context post" doesn't help.
The "context" people refer to when they say something requires context to understand is principally the lines of text surrounding the sentence(s) in question, and in manga also the art so we can see things like the characters' facial expressions, and whatever is going on in the background they might be commenting on.
What you posted basically amounts to a story about what you thought you were reading and doesn't help me understand at all. But if I can see the original source material then my understanding of the situation is not filtered through, and therefore limited by, your understanding. And I don't mean that in an offensive way. Generally if you want help understanding something you should post the source material from the get-go.

>>17596748
Might be the fact that you encountered it while reading and it therefore sticks better in your head cause you saw it used in context.

Unfortunately my unseen cards stacked up and my new cards were added weeks ago so I have to relation to them anymore => can't remember them well.

>>17596777
literally depends on the area

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>>17596803
okay, thanks!

>>17596777
シタマチ・アトモスフィアが実際ワザマエ

>>17596814
それはシタマチではない

ヨコチョウ・タウンだ

>>17596779
Thanks, I'll do that from now on. I think I actually worked my original question out by myself, I'm feeling pretty happy with myself. That being said, an even more frustrating challenge has presented itself. I've browsed through the rest of the manga and nothing else looks to be giving me trouble, so I think this is the last time I'll bother people.

The wider context is that two male characters are talking in one toilet cubicle (the hiding spot mentioned above) and in comes other students. This is obviously an embarrassing situation so they're talking back and forth about how to deal with it. In the manga, this conversation takes place behind a toilet door so I can't actually see faces or anything.

じゃあ上から掃除用具箱に移動するから

This is a solution one of the characters has come up with and I'm just baffled. Is he going to climb over cleaning supplies into another cubicle? This is the most complicated thing in the manga so I really would appreciate help, sorry.

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>>17592815
Is that Osaka in the OP image?

>>17596978
せやで
べっぴんやな

>>17596973
Dammit, I forgot to paste a bit of dialogue, sorry.

じゃあ上から掃除用具箱に移動するからアキラは先にでろ

アキラ is the name of the other character in the cubicle.

>>17597012
Why didn't you just post the page?

Quality official translation (from Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 game).

After successfully learning something new in the tutorial:
Voice: いいぞ。その呼吸を忘れるな！
Subtitle: Good. Don't forget to breathe!

>>17597024
The page is just a toilet cubicle door with that speech bubble. I thought it would be easier to type it out so people can copy and paste anything they're unsure of. I know there's a number of kanji in there that was my complete first time seeing.

>>17597034
Is it 'Don't forget that trick'? Ten days of studying reporting it.

>>17597038
Yeah, that's exactly what it actually means.

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>>17597050
Thanks, that's my ego boost for the day.

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>>17597057
>successfully used rikai
>ego boost
Anon come the fuck on.

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>>17597065
Joke's on you I don't know what Rikai is.

>>17596505
I think あまねちゃんたちとか、お母さんとか"と"しかなくて is grammatically correct. She would have omitted と in colloquial expression.

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What does a verb in て form at the end of the sentence usually mean if it's not a request?

I think I've heard about something like a て for that shows that something was done unintentionally, like for saying "sorry that I made you wait" or "I wanted to do that but I couldn't" but I couldn't find a reliable source.

>>17597094
I'm still learning so someone please feel free to correct me, but I have written in my notes that a て verb that isn't a request means that the て is denoting that the action is currently ongoing. Does this make sense in the context?

>>17597115
That would be ている　anon.

>>17597012
It says "I'll move into the cleaning tool box from above, so you go first." Presumably there is a cleaning tool box in the cubicle for him to hide in.

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>>17597136
You're my hero, thanks anon.

>>17597094
It's often just a play on sentence order. Or, if there's nothing that can easily link to it then there might an implied sentence ending.

what's the なり・何なり mean in this sentence?
this boy made bread but he doesn't need it anymore, so he says to another guy at a party
僕はもういらないので、客人に振る舞うなり何なり適当に処理してください
is it "I don't need it anymore, so whether or not you treat them to our guests, dispose of them as you see appropriate"?

>>17597119
Thanks, I've updated my notes now.

>>17597156
Dispose of it by feeding it to a guest or whatever. なり~なり in DoJG.

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I'm being pedantic, but is this handwriting ゴゴ? The first ゴ looks pointier, and the more I look at the second one, the more it looks like it has three ticks instead of two.

>>17597255
ブッコ

>>17597258
Shit, that's perfect. Thank you so much!

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Post your reading speed
http://www.sokunousokudoku.net/hakarukun/

>School level
>Vertical / horizontal
>Results

ヘッ
館員なことじゃないぞ、小僧目

おやっす

おまんこや
我がチンポ刺す
水の音

>>17597339
grade 6 horizontal
136 moji/minute

I'm ashamed to admit that it was harder than I expected, I'm much better at reading dialogue heavy moege.

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Can someone tell me what the demon/ogre is saying on this page? Thanks

>>17597865
Issun-boshi jumped into the ogre's mouth
and started stinging the inside of his stomach with his katana.
"Ow ow ow I got rekt"

>>17597865
いててて is what you say when something hurts, like ouch
こりゃ = これは
かなわん = かなわない
Something like "I'm no match for you" or "I can't take this"

>>17597884
>>17597891

Oh okay, thanks!

>>17597865
>>17597884
Issun-boshi is so tiny that oni is like what, the size of a 4 year old?

>>17596426
成就 is the word that always trips me up. I just typed it two seconds ago and I can't even remember what it is... じょうじゅ・じょじゅう・じゅうじょ・じゅじょう
Actually, my first instinct is to read it as せいきょう
How can I fix this?

>>17596426
I feel the dyslexia as well, but I think its just trying to push it out too quickly without properly taking some time to read it

>>17597919
JOUJUtsu brings fulfillment.

So 刑務所 = prison, while 留置所 = police cell?

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>>17597935
google images can often help you clear up shit like that
just be sure to use google.jp

For the anons who use the Koudansya Kanji Learner Course book and Anki, what do your cards look like? What do you have on the front and back?
Just curious.

>>17598089
There's a deck for it in the guide. I do not use the recognition cards though. I only use the recall cards.

Front: Keyword
Back: Picture + stroke order + vocab
I was using the recognition cards with kanji on the front and meaning on the back, but it made me get lazy with the mnemonics which are the real backbone of the system. However once I hit around 1000 kanji I stopped doing it and have just been reading now. I will finish it someday in the future but it was taking too much time and I gain more now from reading and building my vocab.

What are some easy, basic 4koma or manga I can read online?

>>17598152
the guide

>>17598118
>Back: Picture + stroke order + vocab
Fair to assume you produce the kanji, physically or mentally, in order to pass the card?
I remember reading online that someone was having trouble with the vocab part, but I wasn't even aware vocab was involved, which made me curious to see how other people use the resource, since it has been mentioned a bit in various places online.

I study kanji via kanji to onyomi, but that's not really a system or anything like Remember the Kanji, Kanji Learner Course, Kanji Damage, etc. so I wasn't really familiar how different people actually use these systems.

Does ことにしている have a bit of a forced connotation? As in "I'd rather not but I really should". Based on the example sentences I've seen, it seems to be that way.

>楽しいことをすることにしてる
>I force myself to do fun things

Would that be an accurate feeling to the sentence?

How would you regularly pronounce 紅?
べに？くれない？

>>17598209
By itself with no further context, probably くれない.

Is there a difference between 嬉しい and うれしい？ Or more generally, is there a difference between writing a word entirely in hiragana and writing it using both hiragana and kanji?

Which Japanese language fluency certificate looks the best in your resume?

>JLPT?
>college degree?
>other?

>>17598252
A collage of all your DJT posts.

>>17598252
Cut-outs of the most difficult manga you've imported with note-cards next to them explaining the intricacies of the dialog, all on a tack board.

>>17598204
It does not.

>わたし生きてたってしょうがない
Is there a difference from using 生きてたって vs 生きたって here?

what's this slang verb ending? this guy is dressed in traditional japanese outfit
納得せーへんかったんやな

>>17598312
That's good to know. Can it applied to non-regular things (i.e. things that only happen once or twice a year)?

>祭に行くことにしています
>I tend to go to festivals

Something like that?

>>17598329
生きてたって is 生きていたって

>>17598338
へんかった is negative past in 近畿方言

>>17598194
>Fair to assume you produce the kanji, physically or mentally, in order to pass the card?
Yes. Usually mentally. When I "learn" the card and the mnemonic, I would write it 5-15 times usually, focusing only on the memory trick. I stopped doing the vocab part because it was slowing me down--I wanted to move through the course as quickly as possible. I don't think doing the vocab through a separate deck would be a bad thing, but it's also good to just learn vocab through reading. And that's where I'm at now, I got through 960 kanji and got sort of burnt out, and learning the mnemonic and character meaning doesn't give a huge benefit besides making vocab acquisition a bit easier. Once I really got to a point where the system of looking at kanji as radical components became intuitive, I decided it would be better to just go back to reading and learning vocab. I think once I have a much broader vocabulary base I'll go back to KKLC and finish it up for thoroughness and for writing purposes, but now it's not the most efficient use of my time.

Do you get what I'm saying? I did it for long enough to help train my brain towards seeing kanji as components and to have a strong base of that sort of visual reasoning, and then I decided to stop. And the more I read, the more I see kanji pop up which reinforces them through vocab and context even better.

>>17598209
べに and くちべに is mainly for lipstick.

「足は止めない」って英語でどう言えばいい？
あなた知ってるかい？

>>17598479
As for foot, not stop.

>>17598496
but for real though like for real people

>>17598510

keep on truckin

>>17598564
https://streamable.com/wr80w

I don't think I can do it. How the fuck do you learn kanji? I have no problem whatsoever associating pronunciations to English definitions and learning kana was easy as fuck. For whatever reason I can't associate kanji with pronunciations. My retention is literally like 15%. How the hell do I learn this?

>>17598682
Can you understand these and how they're used?
>! @ # $ % &
if yes then you have no excuses pal

>>17598698
but theres more kanjis than funny symbols on the number row of a computer keyboard

>>17598682
How much time have you put into Anki? If you're giving up after like a day, don't.

I was the best at Japanese in my classes until this non-chalant foreign Chinese kid came in this semester and seems to be much quicker than me. I am jealous.

>>17598705
Your argument was 'I can't associate kanji with pronunciations' not 'there are too many kanji for me to possibly remember'
how do you expect me to remember all of these arguments

>>17598725
wasnt my argument my nicaraguan

>>17598707
I'm a couple weeks in

>>17598339
>祭に行くことにしています
ことがあります**

Maybe if I just start fighting my way through books I'll remember more kanji

>そうすることは、本当は死ぬこと以上にツラかったはずだ。
I don't really understand 以上に here, I'm thinking the sentence means "Doing that is, truthfully, even worse than death." But I'm not sure.

>>17598791
isn't ツラ in past tense
doesn't that change things a bit

>>17598785
what are you reading now?

おはようおにいちゃん

>>17598479
Don't stop me now!

だね？！

>>17598723
Kanji is literally the only hard part about Japanese so it's no wonder chinks learn it fast

>>17598209
あけ

と

も

よむよ

むかしのことばだよ

>>17598723
If you're still in the mindset of who is best in class, you clearly haven't progressed very far in your studies. Of course any chinese/korean person is going to destroy an intro level course using genki 1/2. Who cares? Study hard and you too can develop proficiency in japanese.

>>17598950
being the best in class was all i had anon, it was all i had.

>>17598969
Well it's not the last time in life you'll feel that way. Get over it, sit next to that guy, and become friends with him. There, now you are practice partners with the best speaker in the class.

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What's the point of learning how to write kanji if Japs use half-cursive script that you won't be able to read/write? Only kids in primary school take their time to scribble these beautiful kanji, adults just do something that resembles them.

Ultimately my question is: does practicing writing kanji helps tremendously with memory retention of kanji?

>>17598994
かんじといえば「日本の楷書」だよ

そこにあるのは

にほんいがいの楷書だよ

>>17598994
>Ultimately my question is: does practicing writing kanji helps tremendously with memory retention of kanji?
Two processes
>what is this kanji
>how to write this kanji
both tasks are exposing the brain to the same information, so adding the additional task of writing is just further exposure.
If you dropped anki and solely do writing as a form of exposure, the retention rate wouldn't be a massive improvement.

If we're talking about solid comprehension then writing not 'just kanji' but grammatically correct sentences, you're unable to gloss over misunderstandings like you can with reading.

>>17598396
>Do you get what I'm saying?
Yeah man, I do. With those 960 kanji at least you're more familiar with 960 kanji from a different angle to straight up vocab, I guess. Also probably enough coverage to become rather familiar with most radicals/elements.

Were you studying vocab 'normally' alongside that KKLC system? It's interesting that you comment on noticing the characters as components because, even though the approach I am taking is rather different, it is starting to have an impact on how I see these components regarding readings.

I'm a little over 6k vocab at least with Anki and currently 740 cards into this kanji deck, but for the most part with vocab it has been a mixture of rote/brute force and overall shape familiarity. What I've noticed while reviewing these kanji is how certain radicals provide the "reading" aspect of the character, while other aspects provide a sense of "meaning", which is present in the words they are found in.

It's interesting how various approaches to studying individual kanji seem to boil down to different expressions of component awareness, almost as if regardless of how you try and study kanji, all roads lead to Rome.

おはようさん
みんな今日も絶対頑張るやろ～
頑張らんとアカンから～

理解を得ない
知識は入手不可能
出来る状態たどりつけず

>>17599180
>>17599238
あのんだんだんうまくなってるね

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https://youtu.be/bmKOW46LaGo
https://youtu.be/O2ML955u8Y0?t=19

>>17599253
ま～だまだやで

寒いじゃん

>>17599378
凛たる風は心が如し

>>17599397
さすがに深いだなｗ

>>17599400
恐縮でございます

im retard

>>17599473

Welcome home.

>>17599473
アホになってしもうたか？

>>17599473
コツメカワウソ？

Has anyone experienced this character before?
鰒
Seems to be some type of fish meat that looks like a vagina

>>17599645
Ain't nobody got time to learn all the kanji for different fish

>>17597080
What if it's not the usual とか but と as in "with" + か.

>>17599645
>鮑

こっちのほうがＩＭＥせんせいはゆうせんどがたかいっていってるよ

>>17599645
>>17599901
こてんのうぃきぺでぃあも

さかなへんにむかしのつつむのほうになってるよ
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AE%91%E3%81%AE%E3%81%97

>>17598865
これも正解
だと思ういます

Is NHK easy DJT approved? Is it too easy?

>>17600305
If it helps you learn, what the fuck does it matter? Once you feel its too easy, graduate to something more difficult.

>>17599684
I think in that case と+しか is correct.
あまねちゃんたちとか、お母さんとしかなくて

Does anybody here know where to download N3 level volumes of shin kanzen master?

>>17600305
You will learn some useful vocab for sure.

>>17598981
You're right anon. I need to relinquish my mediocre ego. Time to 頑張る

>>17600305
It's what most people read after finishing Core (since that deck is sampled from newspapers)

左手ににぎられている
Would this mean to grasp left hand or be grasped by left hand, and why? I keep getting confused by に+られる sentences.

Is there an English grammar equivalent of Tae Kim's grammar guide written in Japanese?
I just want to read it to see how the Japanese translate English grammar into Japanese rather than the other way around.

>>17600541
The second one. In passive sentences に usually marks the agent. In this case it points to the left hand, so we know the left hand is the one doing the grasping. に can also have it's other meanings in this position which can be confusing sometimes, but as far as I know 握る doesn't have a に argument so that's not a problem here.

>>17599106
Download KKLC from the guide and read the introduction, I think it makes a compelling argument for how it helps baka gaijin like us learn to differentiate similar looking kanji, and it presents kanji with similar elements in groups. If you have 6k grammar that should work really well with the system as you'll further be able to associate the kanji's overall "meaning" with the vocab you already know.

The reason I don't do vocab and only do recall cards is based on some elements of RTK. Basically Heisig's approach is "divide and conquer," get the writing system shapes out of the way, then go and learn readings. Doing any mnemonic system is not fun, and I wanted to get through KKLC as fast as possible. The vocab was slowing me down, so I dropped it. When I go back and do the system, I'll probably create a selected vocab deck for it.

The DJT meme of read more really isn't a meme though, I've been putting my KKLC time into reading and it's made a big difference and really helps with the vocab acquisition. Currently reading One Piece and Aria. I was doing VNs with the dictionary plugin but I find VNs boring so that after an hour I don't want to play anymore. Whereas I love sitting down on the couch with a volume of manga.

>>17600305
I wouldn't recommend it for two reasons. First of all, the quantity is just way too limited. It will take you forever to get anywhere just reading a couple of the short articles on that page every day. Second reason is that it's just boring. The thing you're reading should be challenging for you to read, and if something is boring at the same time as being challenging, you're just not going to keep doing it for very long.

If the thing you're reading doesn't meet the below criteria, you should find something else:
- challenging but not completely incomprehensible (it's okay if you can't make sense of the odd line, just so long as you can get the general gist at least of most of the material)

- high density of text (don't worry about 100% perfect compression, it's better to read a lot and not understand some of it than to read only a very small amount and understand it perfectly)

- interesting and/or fun (this is perhaps the most important factor of all because it's what encourages you to keep going back to the material and challenging yourself with it again and again until you see it to completion)

Can somebody break down this line's grammar and vocabulary? I'm confused. I know what it means but I can't see how it means it.

用意してきてやる

I'm seeing "Preparations/Prepare do come do" or "Prep by come do"

>>17601058
Read a grammar guide that actually covered teiku and tekuru instead of trying to make it up.

>>17601058
I'm not confident in my answer, but the way I see it:
Preparation <do reach/come <do.
You do the aforementioned preparations, then you will complete (きて) that, and do said completion. So he's really, thoroughly preparing himself/the thing he's talking about.

>>17601058
用意する to get something ready, to prepare something
用意してくる to get something ready and then come
用意してきてやる to get something ready and then come back as a favor for someone (やる=rude あげる)

>>17601093
>>17601094
please do not respond to basic grammar questions when you do not understand basic grammar

>>17601099
Completely fair point, but then where would I read up on and learn said grammar?
My guess was based on what I've gathered from reading, so if I've got it wrong then I'd appreciate getting back on the right track.

>>17601108
grammar guides + https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>>17601099
Please don't tell someone they're wrong without correcting them

>>17601137
No, fuck you.

>>17601137
There's literally nothing wrong with telling people not to help when they don't know enough to help.

Know your limits. If you have to logically think through a basic conjugation, you do not know enough Japanese to answer a question about it.

>>17601148
I just want to know how I'm misunderstanding. >>17601094

>>17601154
てくる here is a temporal "aspect" marker that expresses that the action started in the past and has remained in action through the present.

preparations are underway / have been underway

>>17601091

>>17601161
くる can have many different meanings as a supplementary verb, not always a temporal one.

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/64270/meaning/m1u/%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8B/
>ある動作をしてもとに戻る。…しに行って帰る。
>ある動作・状態をそのまま続けながら、こちらへ近づく。また、そのようにしてこちらへ至る。

Now explain to me how you know it's the temporal meaning and not one of these in this situation.

>>17601179
Because it's acting as an auxiliary verb and cannot have the literal meaning くる, because the やる is logically attached to 用意する. If やる were not logically attached to する and くる were also not logically attached to する, then きてやる would not be connected to する via the て form.

>>17601193
I think you have even less of an idea what you're talking about than I do.
Where does the やる even come into your "preparations are underway" translation?

>>17601207
It doesn't. やる operates on してくる as a whole, I only translated してくる.

If you somehow think くる isn't operating on する there, you are very, very far from fluency. Nobody would ever write "preparing and coming back for you" this way in Japanese.

>>17601207
please do not argue about very basic grammar when you've just finished a beginner's textbook and hasn't consumed very much japanese

>>17601241
>hasn't
lol

>>17601245
yeah i rewrite my post and didn't care to change every single verb what of it

>>17601225
>If you somehow think くる isn't operating on する there
I do, I just think it's definition 9-う or 9-え instead of 9-い because the only context I have to go off of is てやる.

飲み物を買ってくる I will go buy a drink (and come back)
飲み物を買ってきてあげる I will go buy a drink for you (and come back)

資料を用意してくる
I will go ready the materials (and come back)
資料を用意してきてやる
I will go ready the materials for you (and come back)

資料を用意してくる the materials will have been being prepared?
資料を用意してきてやる I will have been getting the materials ready for you?

>>17601308
9X are conjunctional uses of the て form rather than operatives ones. Which means that they logically operate relate くる to the action 用意する rather than "operating on する" (so to speak).

>資料を用意してきてやる
>I will go ready the materials for you (and come back)

This would not be 用意してきてやる. It's technically logically possible to write 用意してきてやる when you mean something along these lines, but it's like writing "I'm going to send a letter" when you mean that you're physically heading out to the post office to send a letter instead of a generic going-to future.

>>17601332
I googled it and it looks like the person asking the question was reading Yotsuba&. I don't have scans, just a physical copy, but it's volume 1 page 13.

Jumbo:
>おまえさ　近所にあいさつで配る粗品とか用意してるか？

Koiwai:
>そうかそういうのしなきゃな
>頭いいなおまえ

Jumbo:
>じゃあ俺が用意してきてやる　おまえ片付けてろ

Now please explain to me how this 用意してきてやる is only theoretically possible and how I
>do not understand basic grammar
and need to
>Know [my] limits.

Why is Japanese so hard.

>>17601425
Wrecked. Sadly the guy you're arguing with has a pathological inability to accept when he is wrong.

>>17601468
My knee-jerk reaction was "brazilian"

>>17601425
That is a picture perfect example of the aspectual use of てくる.

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今学んだばかり「苦情」が。スティーブン・スピールバーグ は狡猾ですよ。

>>17601486
I don't even think you're seriously arguing with me at this point.

>>17601517
I am, but apparently you can't fluently read Yotsubato.

>>17601486
No it's not, idiot. He didn't start 用意 before that statement. I like how all the smug hotshots in this thread can't understand fucking Yotsuba.

>>17601522
The temporal use of てくる doesn't require you to start the argument before the present time. That would be if it were してくた. してくる in the "plain" form can begin in the near future, and is still aspectual.

>>17601537
so basically what you're saying is that he's going to 用意する it in the future and then come back, right?

>>17601544
No, he's going to come and start 用意する in the near future.

Original Yotuba& asker here.
I didn't give enough context, sorry.
I still barely understand though. Even with Tae Kim's grammar on the subjects I didn't get it.

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Can anyone recognize these two kanji? I just can't recreate them in sljfaq.

>>17601610
best guess 欲求

>>17601669
That seems to be right. I have no idea how you could make that out, but thanks.

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What the fuck is wrong with this magic spell part? It means that this katakana gibberish is the meaning and she's actually speaking the Japanese words which are used as furigana or what?

>>17601744
And I don't mean the 'firebolt' part, that is obvious.

>>17601744
Just ignore bullshit like that

>>17601760
I'm not worried or anything, just interested if anybody can make sense of it.

>>17601744

It's pretty clearly just to show what the words are meant to represent while keeping the words of the spell itself sounding mystical.

>>17601782
But normally you write the meaning normally and add the cool name in furigana.
I'm asking what's the reason/meaning for this inversion we see here.

>>17601786
maybe five characters just isn't enough room to fit all that kana on top

>>17601744
>It means that this katakana gibberish is the meaning and she's actually speaking the Japanese words which are used as furigana or what?

No, the opposite.

As for what the kana is, it's just a spell so it wouldn't be strange if it was completely meaningless, but in this case it does in fact seem to have some meaning. For example sagitta, the first word, is apparently latin for arrow, and radius is apparently latin for ray. The middle one is probably something similar.

>>17601807
see
>>17601746
>>17601786

>>17601815
I did see those posts. What are you trying to say?

>>17601786

Because it's the chant for a spell rather than a set of fictional terms. The furigana part is only there to give the reader an idea of what the words supposedly reprenset.

I'm not sure where the confusing part is.

>>17601817
That this part is completely different from how usually the cool names are added.
I want to know what the meaning/reasoning behind that is.

>>17601825
Different kind of spell? Not sure what kind of answer you want, this is obviously some subjective choice by the author, there is no objective rule or grammar that can explain it.

>>17601820
Normal way:
kanji is meaning
furigana is reading
(also applies to adding cool names to spells orproper nouns, reading 'friend' as 'rival', etc)
But here we see kanji used as furigana (which normally would imply that this is what the char actually says).
I'm asking if there's any meaning to that.

>>17592815
I came across a verb that ended in たり
what did they mean by this?

>>17601844

Are you a little dense or something anon

You're putting too much meaning on the kanji there, they could just as well not exist and nothing'd change. You could just have her say 「サジタ インフラマラエ　ラディウス！」 and leave it at that. But solely for the sake of giving the reader an idea of what it's meant to mean instead of just being pure cool-sounding gibberish, the author added their "meanings" as explanatory small kanji above them.

There are no cool names or proper nouns involved here, nothing that requires help to read the correct way, just a fancy-sounding chant given a little extra depth by pretending the words mean things.

>>17601839
It's almost like writing:
>What's wrong, 'she said.'
instead of
>'What's wrong,' she said.
It goes completely against the convention. I do understand adding cool furigana readin, that happens all the time. But here, we see the exact opposite of that.

>>17601878
I think you're exaggerating how consistent it is. It's not like it's highly unusual that the furigana is the explanation rather than pronunciation, I've seen both ways many times. There is no rule that says that furigana has to be the reading, so it's definitely not like switching quotation marks in english.

>>17601877
see
>>17601878
There's a convention to doing it and it's broken here so I was wondering about the reason.
I guess nobody ITT knows if there is one so I'm gonna give up and maybe try asking a real eleven some time.

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>>17601890

Yeah alright. You go ahead and do that.

>>17601887
>There is no rule that says that furigana has to be the reading
It's a fairly strong convention outside of genre fiction.
But if you say it's often broken in genre fiction then I can accept it.

>>17601852
Try posting the actual text. It depends on the context and whether they're using 文語 or not.

>>17601744
I know what you mean, but a few times in the past I've come across this seemingly "backwards" usage of nonstandard furigana, so at the very least I can tell you that it's not unique to the thing you're reading.

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>>17601900
Context: She was talking how she didn't believe a girl who saw her as a robot.

>>17601941
In this case it's the conjunctive particle たり, this definition in edict:
>(2) (used adverbially) doing such things as...;
or the second definition here:
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/139246/meaning/m1u/%E3%81%9F%E3%82%8A/
>（副助詞的に用いられ）同種の事柄の中からある動作・状態を例示して、他の場合を類推させる意を表す。
(used as an adverbial particle) offers one action or state out of many other possible scenarios as an example, so that the others can be deduced through analogy.
>「車にひかれたりしたらたいへんだ」
If you did something like get hit by a car we'd be in trouble.

>自分を宇宙人と名乗ったり
doing things like calling herself an alien

It's just like the ～たり～たりする structure but with only one thing and no する.

>自分を宇宙人と名乗ったり妖精が見えるとか言うようなイタイ子
An イタイ子 that might say something like she can see fairies or do things like call herself an alien

My hunch is that this is poorly-written Japanese but you'd have to ask いもうと

How am I supposed to approach RTK? I started off with the core2k/6k deck and I'm not very far into it and decided to try out RTK along with it but it's kind of got me wondering if this will work for me. I already make up mnemonics for the words I learn in the core2k/6k pack, and they give me the readings and such unlike RTK. Am I missing the point or something or is it just something that isn't for me?

>>17601941
refers to the act of doing something as if it were a noun.

>>17602038
If you're already doing fine with the core deck you don't need to do RTK or KKLC. If you ever get to a point where you feel like kanji aren't sticking or your mind is getting fucked by similar looking kanji, that is the time to give one of those systems a shot.

Well, if vn script anon is still collecting then

https://www.mediafire.com/file/1brw39delxa3qrg/

I saw a comment on another board where someone accidentally left the space out of "take home" and I read it in my head as たけほめ. Am I officially Japanese now?

>>17602188
No, just a brainwashed weeb

What exactly does the phrase "出会いの数だけ" mean? I see it frequently used so does it originate from somewhere in specific?

So what's the deal with DBJG vs HJGP. I like to purchase my study resources, and the dictionary seems to be tried and true, but I was wondering if anyone who prefers the handbook could explain it

>>17602257
absolutely no idea

>>17602257
>does it originate from somewhere in specific?
Yeah, it originates from the Japanese language

Is まんこを食べたい correct or is it too literal?