Elona

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>Roran (Male)

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Do not leave Ehekatl

>>17372569
Is it really his weakness when all he does is prayer of Jure and then punch whatever hexed him to death?

>>17372592
Amazing work as always op.

>>17372637
Can it really be called punching anymore if you hit harder than a meteor strike

>>17372643
I would say so. The fundamental extending arm and fist to hit thing is still there. It's just how much is left of what you hit afterwards that differs.

>>17372633
If you've served Yacatect from the beginning, you will by default never have left Ehekatl.

>>17372699
Addendum: Worship Ehekatl forever

>>17372633
Why is Ehekatl leaving?

>>17372781
Don't leave Ehekatl =/= Don't leave, Ehekatl

>>17372633
Don't worry, she will always be my number 2 choice.

>>17372633
I miss boobie goddess and now I'm with another boobie goddess but she's mean.

>Worshipping any other deity

Literally why?

>second time my little girl companion dies on the first town because she drowned in the well
is there a way to get a non mentally challenged pet?

>>17372849
1. Get them wings.
2. There is no step 2.

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>>17372827
I came for this but I'm not sure if it was worth it. Mistakes were made I think. Could be worse. I could have ended up with that flat as a cutting board Yaca and a goose.

>>17372849

> LRN 0

>>17372856
I didn't even know I could choose they had equipment. How can I change her stuff?

>>17372880
[i]nteract with them, open their inventory, remove the things you want them to stop wearing and give them the things you want them to wear.

>>17372880
(G)ive them stuff. While Giving you can use Home and Pg Up to swap between giving and taking.

>>17372849
You have to have them on a leash

>>17372894
That won't save them from wells, it just keeps them close.

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>>17372888
>>17372889
thanks m8s

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I'm starting to get a good amount of gold after sleeping with everything around me but it's not really doing much for my levels. I need to do some quests or dungeons but I'm not sure how I can sleep my way to victory with monsters that want to kill me. I tried putting down a bed and squeezing enemies but it didn't work. Is there really no way to kill enemies by sleeping with them? I tried branching out to party time quests and I thought acting as a high class escort and sleeping with people would work but it doesn't. Am I left with hiring a gay boy band to help me with party time quests and dungeons?

>>17372925
Leveling out of combat is slower but still happens. Give it time and it'll come.

>>17372925
You want to fuck enemies to death? I dunno, eventually you can throw panties at them I guess. You could use the drain blood feat and call yourself a succubus, but that'll only take you so far against even weak enemies

So what happened to all that talk of Elona coming to steam?

>>17372956
Probably referring to Elin.

What's Elin?

>>17372984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdBiiXzjhM

>tfw I just ate my first godly drop by accident
A-at least my stats went up

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>>17372827
>Worshipping a deity
>Ever

>>17373039
Reminder that it is possible to convert back to no god after having one.

>>17373046
It is? This is news to me.
Now my no gods run has no evidence.

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>>17373055
It is possible, but you need the rarest item in the game.
An unaligned altar.

>>17373074
>>17373074
There's one in each quest dungeon for act 1, and the graveyard by Lumiest, and also you can do it in act 2 at the
Oblivion Palace

>>17373117
Yeah, but most people convert those for the bonus favor. And there's no way to un-convert them if you have.

>>17373192
Why would you do this
Try challenge/panic quests in palmia/noyel i guess

>>17373192
>learn Fire Breath
>goto Palmia
>breathe fire at altar repeatedly until it burns to ashes
>leave town
>come back a month later
>unaligned altar

I got a unknown shell, I think it's a good item but it says it makes me pious.

what does that mean?

>>17373353
Increases your effective Faith skill, increasing the maximum favor you can earn.

>>17373353
also, why can't I sell it?

>>17373366
oh, thanks.

my little girl just got me a wish from the stupid well, what you guys think should I get?

>>17373367
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Artifacts
can't sell or pickpocket any precious items

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Having a go at making an AE86 NPC sprite and I think I'm doing pretty well considering I have no experience with pixel art. Front end is looking very nice, need to work out the slopes of the angles on the read though. Wheel hub looks a bit off. This is the image I was using as a guide.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3693/9503709784_de6f46ab3d_c.jpg

If I can't make it work in 48x48 I can always just do a side view.
Wondering what's a good way to anti-alias when I'm done? Does gimp's antialias filter do a good job?

>>17373403
Gas gas gas

>Taxes you incur each month will be deducted from the amount that you have pre-paid, and you will not receive any bills when there is a balance remaining.
Oh yes.

Geez that is a lot of text I still have to read, but..
Just for those wondering, inv/cdata/adata/etc are not functions (yeah I know it looks like that).
They are in fact multidimensional arrays, for example, inv is named as such since it holds data about items. inv(7, ci) means value of position 7 for item in position ci...
Now, that doesn't make much sense reading it like that, but we happen to know that position 7 holds the weight for items, so in short: inv(7, ci) means weight of item ci.

For those wondering, you can find most of the definitions on the _init labels, in this case: *system_init

>>17373388
seven-league boots

>>17373675
That makes enough sense, okay. Fixed-size arrays of fixed-size arrays? Makes much more sense than a function.
>For those wondering, you can find most of the definitions on the _init labels, in this case: *system_init


" dim cdata, 500, 245"
Ohhhhhh. Yeah. Durr, how'd I miss this. Thank you!!

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>>17373403
new revision

Um... I think I bugged out my adventurer pal I've been trying to wed.
I was tired of her wandering around so I leashed her while raising her affection through killing monsters while hired.
I came across her in town a month or so after our last meeting and now she is randomly flipflopping between stabbing me and wanting to have a nice conversation with me. I was very confused when I noticed the log mentioned her struggling with a leash.
I tried to use it again on her to release her, but it said she cut it in resistance. Should I hire her again THEN try to undo the leash or will it possibly fix itself?
She is 3 times my level and I don't want to be minding my own business only for her to go yandere on me.

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>>17373407
Noone Sleep in Gensokyo

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>>17373755
I am satisfied

Any benefit for pets from favor stat/worshipping a god?

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>>17373807
I could waste dozens of hours staring at this abyss I have created. Final revision.

>>17373778
You what

>>17373807
>>17373843
That's pretty cute ( I don't see a difference )

are monster parts worth keeping?

I'm really digging the new rare loot trigger. Got happy bed on my first cupid kill and I'm swimming in unique artifacts already.

>>17373877
Ｏｎｌｙ　ｉｆ　ｙｏｕ　ｃａｎ　ｈａｎｄｌｅ　ｆｒｅｑｕｅｎｔ　ｒｅｔｕｒｎ　ｔｏ　ａ　ｔｏｗｎ．
It's better to keep your inventory slots for scrolls/potions/artefacts during extended dungeon runs, you know, things that either stack or are expensive.

>>17373877
the rarer ones are worth much more (bells) but all can be sold. if you think you'll ever do necromancy, maybe stockpile generic eyes or hearts, but they won't make good necro units - recipe scales with level and rarity of monster that dropped part.

>>17373899
Or if you worship Yacatect. I think he meant if parts are worth keeping somewhere for some reason though.

>>17373877
Only if you're a necromancer. Otherwise sell them.

>>17373807
>>17373843
Keep in mind that the game interprets pure black (0,0,0) as transparent.

1) Is "enhances your breath" capped at 1500 strength max as well?

2) Is there a cap on "speeds up your travel progress" or otherwise a diminishing return?

>>17373845
I hired an adventurer and got her to soul mate. While hired I leashed her.
When I found her in a town later her so was bugging out attacking me when I was close occasionally but otherwise nonhostile. The log was saying something about her struggling with a leash.
I want suggestions since she can gut me like a fish.

>>17373935
AI not so.

>>17373935
Will probably be fixed if you re-hire then use leash again.

>>17373935
Marry her already, problem solved.
>>17373931
There was some cap for breath as well

Today in "Things I probably should have realized a long time ago" I just realized the [numbers] in the chat log are minutes for the current hour.

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slugs new sword better then Housenka.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Kaneituuhou
What type of throwing weapon it is? Is it boosted by throwing rock ehncement from staves?

1.70 changelog was posted 7/24 JP time, but it's 7/25 6:30 PM JP time now and the download link still goes to 1.69. Is this normal? How long is it usually between a new log and download being up?

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This game is pretty fun.

>>17374320
The enchantment that improves rock throwing only affects normal stones and:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Vanilla_Rock

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p3S16qPZFSdZdQoVF8hjsZf7ovS6H-cpjmSaH2qZn6I/edit#gid=0
Well damn, stuff like that is always hidden on the wiki.

>>17374296
Haha fuck

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Turn in a stray cat (50% chance, otherwise trains potential) 1000 luck xp

wtf?

How does enhanced food from farms/ranches behave?
Does a rank 5 +5 food item give better stat boosts than a rank 8 +0?
Or is it just a price thing?

>>17375048
>stray cat.
I never saw any ever.
In an ~8 yo save file.

>>17373963
Alright. I'll give it a shot.
>>17373972
I would marry her but she has 100 more strength than me. And Elona adventurer girls don't marry weaker men.

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Farming is dangerous. That bugger could one-shot my fairy with her 41hp. Random spawn on farms.

I'm afraid to level gardening ahead of pets now.

>>17375121
I heard filling your farm with scarecrows at least slightly reduces farm mob spawn.

>>17375130
Do you have to place them on dirt tiles? I just dumped them on one tile, thought they are useless.

>>17375121
Only 113 gardening level btw. I wonder if i'll get shit akin to last raven and destroy boars at level 200.

>>17375104
I see them in every second dungeon, wtf. They look like normal cats with brown tint.

>>17375104
>>17375140
They are all over the place at the Festival of Jure.

>>17375121
Just wait until a cockatrice or two show up :^)

>>17375121
Huh, I'd never seen enemies pop up on my farm...
Are you waiting there for a long time or something?

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>>17375171
Nope just started 4th farm, filled it with crap and returned after a few days, plants are still half-grown.

Probably got to properly scatter scarecrows around instead of dumping them in one spot.

>>17375157
Cockatrice is less dangerous for me than that sparrow.

I wonder if its a good idea to teach my pet Uncontroll on loss mode.

>>17375189
Same here though, yet not one monster.
I guess it's the rabbit tail farm + goddess of luck trait?

>>17375264
I didn't have any show up until I was like level 50.

>>17374567
Use the axfc link. The dropbox might take a few days to update.

There's a disguised fox in Palmia who only drinks cursed potions and throws up. She doesn't even have any in her inventory. She's done this for about 10 ingame years. If I ALP (can't dominate?) her and add her to my party, will she continue this behavior

>>17375417
Give her some crim ale or something man.

I have come to the conclusion the thieves guild exists without anyone doing anything about it so they steal cursed gear off the idiots who summon demons and crap in the middle of town.
Because Jure knows killing them does nothing and you aren't allowed to trade with 90% of people.

>>17375471
You can also zap them with a rod of uncurse.

>>17375473
Tried it. I even gave them stacks of vanish curse and uncurse.
Still doesn't stop the incessant monster attacks.

>Always played vanilla elona
>Tried Elona+ Custom for first time RN
>Found out I can use hand weapons as throwing weapons
>Do nothing but chuck claymores for half an hour

>>17375471
Uncurse doesn't help if it has a modifier that summons monsters, but if it has both that and a curse at least it lowers the frequency of summons.

>>17375501
You can also (T)hrow damn near anything.
Like shit, trees, and beds.

>>17373913
I changed all the 0,0,0 pixels to 1,1,1 then filled the background with 0,0,0

>>17375307
https://www.axfc.net/u/3819225.zip

Still 1.69

Hope it gets uploaded soon, I want to start a new character but am waiting for next version

I've been wondering how exactly magic device characters work?
From what I've seen scrolls of recharge are kinda rare, I only found 5 or so on my lvl 20 char.
Do they not use those? Do they just keep an inventory full of devices?

>>17375560
wat
https://www.axfc.net/u/3827586

>>17375609
dupli-cane and crafting

>>17375623
Ohh, that's neat.
I didn't even know you could get special actions from skills.

>>17375609
>>17375623
>>17375641
Also Draw/Refill Charge actions.

>>17375609
Magic Device guy here.
Duplicane handles all your combat rods as long as you have 2 stamina. There is a drop in damage while using duplicane though, but I have been fine so far.
For everything else you can use draw and fill charge actions. Draw takes charges from rods, fill lets you recharge rods using the charges you took. But there is the slight chance on filling that the rod will explode.

>>17375609
Don't forget Quick Use. Using rods without using a turn might be useful sometimes.

>>17375666
Doesn't quick use also work with potions?

>>17375457
You misunderstand. I want this to keep happening.

>>17375666
Oh, neat, might train magic devices just for that panic button later on.

>>17375666
>>17375673
Costs a whopping 50 stamina though.

>>17375699
Well, they won't magically procure their own potions once you add them to your party.

>>17375727
I feel more cheated now than any other time in my life. You're telling me I can't have a pet Suika?

>>17375735
Sadly no.
Only NPCs not in your party will gradually accumulate items over time.

Holy shit. My performance crab made it into the collage. My life is complete.
I'm feeling the urge to make more (potentially) dangerous crab cnpcs with crappy sprite edits based off other dangerous enemies like Atlases.

>>17375666
Sometimes? If you're a magic device user it can flat double your damage output. It's incredible.

>>17375944

>>17375707

>>17376038
Double damage is worth 50 stamina.

>>17376047
Its not readily available most of the time due to dupli's sp drain. Great for bursting bosses though.

How do you ALP strong hostile bosses? Strong as in, have a decent chance to kill PC if not killed quickly.

>>17376126
Get stronger.

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>>17375763
No... you don't understand. THis is beyond all comprehension.

So I went to Palmia to get screenshots of this behavior. Taoliz the fox (female) has anorexia, eats random shit, beer and potions, and vomits all the time. I went to get a picture of her inventory, always empty -- just before this shot she ate a raw noodle -- and then this happened. She turned into a neutral blue baptist who can talk to me. A male blue baptist. I don't know what to do. I'm telling you all, for 10 years she didn't have any potions or food, but every single turn she wasn't disabled she would eat or drink something.

And now, on this day of all days, she became this. I haven't even saved yet because I don't know what to do. I'm gonna leave the house for a bit and think.

>>17376325
Must have drank a potion of mutation.

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Close one.

>>17376401
That is, in a very clinical sense, what happened. Do you not find things funny. Is this game fun to you

>>17376325
RIP fox grill, after 10 years her rough lifestyle of eating random garbage finally caught up to her and now she is member of the blue man group.

>>17376466
i think i'm still gonna try to marry her

>>17376470
I don't remember, but can a rod of change turn her back into a human npc or only other monsters?

>>17376429
I do, but I assumed you were asking why.
Excuse me for trying to be helpful.

>>17376470
Feed ~her~ potions of mutations til she become female enough to make a gene.

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We need an avatar of RNGod in Elona as a secret unbeatable(0,00001% chance to win) boss.

>>17376637
If we had the costomization of elona MMA or OOM, we could have made custom god.
You'll have to settle for a custom NPC.

No, really, make a good cnpc.txt and I'll add <Anon> the god of RNG, to my game.
Do it my elonigger.

>>17376625
I'm thinking unblessed forbidden meat for extra roleplay value

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http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

Latest Version: E+C 1.70.1

https://mega.nz/#!txBSyDxQ!CB-S175ZQvzF0DBAEVFbGLzIeTSjT2yfztIRfTH1qCk

Fixed

Duplicated "bottle" in "bottle of X juice"

Added

Melt Clinch for slimes as a Custom AI evolution action

Flame of Rage and Blood Stream as Custom AI evolution actions for the respective monsters



Misc
Removed extra spacing in some item names

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>>17376664
Sadly, I don't have the RNG god as a cNPC. However, I do have a brand new cNPC that will ruin your day!

Behold, the Atlas Maneki! Not only does it spam multiple gather, but it can use Fron's lightning kick to teleport to you and fuck your shit up. Between the lightning fast kicks and the swarm of enemies gathering, this accursed crab is something right out of Kai's nightmares.

Fuck up your game right here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/m7s3ey2f7c32lyy/Atlas+Manakei.zip

>>17376754
Why have you spawned this abomination?

>>17376754

fix the legs a bit more or make the legs hairy crabs do have bits of hair on them.

>>17376736
Huh, I missed 1.70's arrival.

>Made the sound for Collected Power play only if the user is within sight.
Thank god.
>NPC identifying is now cheap at low fame an gets more expensive with fame.
Interesting, but mostly just makes it cheaper early on because later on you have a million sources of identification on your own.
>increased the chance that general vendors will sell monster balls
Nice
>high potion of wisdom
Seems kinda useless since those shits take forever to brew and it's weaker than just spending four turns buffing yourself.
>tax certificates
Very nice
>fried tofu
My fox brother is going to love this but I wish I could make it apply to one of my customized followers.

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>>17376754
o sweet fuk no

>>17376754
I'm afraid to put this in my game but rest assured, when aromalocarigrill becomes even somewhat powerful, this is getting added. I've got the summoning stone ready to go, just got to figure out how

>>17376811

tofu trains str when eatten

Glad to see everyone enjoys my Atlas Maneki. I already have ideas for the next nightmare.

>>17376805
Dude I'm not a master class sprite artist. The crab with Atlas's legs, arm and head is all you're getting.

>>17376898
>I already have ideas for the next nightmare.

Please, I'm loving this nightmare train. If you make another npc, please make it immune to fire because my catch-all when I see a death crab is to cast meteor while screaming in real life

>>17376955
Oh don't worry. That's already planned for.

>>17376898
You know what Elona needs?
An explosive-breeder-type enemy like those in some other traditional roguelikes. +Fire immune if you can, so Meteor won't instantly solve it.

>>17376988
The mod pastebin contains the Performaid Crab, an earlier creation that combines multiple gather + summon creatures/chaos + shadow rush, with a separate version that splits. It's not immune to fire, but it's the best "explosive-breeder" that I could think up.

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base sword only had time stop and maintains etc.

magic damage grav sphere and piercing were god tear stone on.

Curse flying scrolls to make it heavier for the damage boost happens works on pets too.

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>It increases your charisma by 0.
T-thanks

>>17377314
I've always wondered how that happens. Did it like get +# Charisma and then -# Charisma and truncate badly?

>>17372633
>if you touch her, she sets entire place on fire
Nah, thanks.

>>17376736
>Melt Clinch for slimes as a Custom AI evolution action
Hell yeah!

>>17372849
Master's Lash, prohibit from eating from ground.

>>17377371
The game generates an enchantment with random strength, from 0 to 500. On a particuarly unlucky roll the strength of +attribute can be too low to grant even 1 point of relevant attribute.

>>17377449
How horrifying, the game does this on purpose...

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>>17377473
If you think this is horrifying, you haven't seen cursed items yet.

>>17377375
Never sneak up on a cat.

>>17377481
That's a pretty bad one. I just mean, how awful, the game is programmed to taunt you. But hot damn, not 1 but 3 massively negative resists.

can I give my custom NPC a unique class name? like how Amurdad is labeled as a "warden" but really is a farmer

Where is map position 22x21? The new save deleted one of my storage units and said it moved it there.

>>17377853
>>17377845
Try using Elona extender, I think it has an option show you coordinates in the * thing.

Other then that, just count, the top left position is probably either 0,0 or 1,1.

>>17377865
Ah fuck that noise. I'll just copy my save back and move my shit out of that storage house before re-updating. Thanks though

Anyone playing 1.70 know exactly how bad the new nerf affects the listed special actions?
I use them occasionally and don't see much in 1.70 worth upgrading for if the nerf removes even the early game viability of stuff.

its nice that pets auto eat any food you left them in the bag whats not nice is they stop to eat at the oddest times.

>>17377992
The problem comes in with "divides by PV + DV" Now, with my stats i'm essentially a level 30 trash mob. My PV + DV looks to be about 220, because bad at game. That's pretty low.

Imagine you went from dealing 30k to 30k/220 = 136, that's how bad it looks.

I fired a panzerfaust X at a rogue wizard. I dealt 488 damage.

>Deals rnd(50) + Perception * 2 + Marksman^2 / 40 damage to single target
(This was before change, and according to wiki, so, grain of salt)


So I would deal, with my stats, minimum 0 + 188*2 + ( 65^2 / 40)
Which I had to estimate marskman on because of +skills. About 480 damage. Uhhhh... well, I was pretty sure they said rocket fire was one of the things that was changed. Let's try another special action.

My golden storm deals about 550 damage to a kobold. It deals about the same to a Minotaur boxer. About the same to a green dragon. Same deal against a black griffon, 4 times.

I feel like I've unlearned, somehow. It definitely says "elonaplus custom 1.70.1," where's the damage reduction?

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>>17378085
>>17377992

>>17378770
SP-eating non-spammable skills are reduced by both resists and dv-pv, cool. Ano should check lategame scaling too if he likes balancing so much.

If people are annoyed by Ano rebalancing everything all the time why did people jump on Elona+ instead of one of the other Elona modded variants?

Just because he kept updating?

>>17378838
There is a whole lot of other things in +. Its just Ano is really half-assed when it comes to skill balance at times. Like, why you would make linear scaling while target's effective hp scales much faster, and make players spam expensive stamina-based actions which dont scale with speed at all due to sp regen.

>>17378838
I don't remember it being that bad until 1.64.
The everyone started complaining.

Ano expands vertically but suck at expanding horizontally; that is he should add to the beginning of the game and what's already there, instead of trying to always add more of the far away from the start stuff.(geographically).

>walking on world map
>suddenly burst into flames
>don't know what the fuck happened and I always play on loss mode

what the fuck? can I check somehow how did I die?

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What's the appeal of this game?

>>17379077
Being able to intoxicate, fuck, cook, and eat everything that moves. Also gradually mutating into a horrible calamity of an organism.

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>>17379077
Different appeal for everyone.
Some use it to be creator, other to become gods, and some even just play for the moorcock inspired story.
Which isn't expanded correctly on since ano don't even realize that.

And above all, we are the cult of the younger sister. Here meal is disgusting, but you'll have to eat since you pushed the door.

>>17379072
Were you starving or over burdened?

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>>17379096
I think I was over burdened, but I was taking slow steps to make sure my hp didn't drop too fast. God fucking damn, my greed was the end of me.

>>17379077
I like building a big party with all sorts of cute girls/creatures and managing my ranches, farms and shops in between dungeon diving. Crafting is neat, slowly raising and outfitting my pets to become godslayers is engaging, decorating my properties is enjoyable, encountering bizarre shit is fun

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>>17379077

slowing turning into a Demigod as you train team of god slayers to fuck shit up.

>>17379104
when traveling each move takes tens of turns, so you get several damaging ticks and several healing. Usually its safe until RNGod decides to rape your loss char horribly and procs 5 damaging turns without healing ticks.
>>17379077
Exquisite mental masturbation tool. Its like an sandbox with nearly infinite roleplay potential that entertains the player instead of simply reacting to players actions.

how hard is to get a cure corruption potion? I got the ether thingy and it's getting worse.

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>>1737942

Casino on a lucky day/with some luck boost.

>>17379422
Invest in magic store.

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Could anyone re-upload this to mega or something?

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>>17379567
Nevermind,

Okay, my girl now got pregnant while drink from the city well. I searched about it and it seems pretty bad. Is there a way I can fix her? I'm pretty low level still so I don't wan't the alien spawning and rekting me

>>17379610
never mind just gave her sulfuric and she drank it on her own. rip. I assume that when I buy her back she will be normal again

>>17379610
I'd throw acid at her, like Yacatect ( Wealth Be Upon Her ) intended.

>>17375137
I've tried tilled soil and grass, scarecrows, cockatrices still showing up

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>Made fever mode affect only random Nefia
No more B1F-B44F 30 new material spots per floor Lesimas runs

>>17379641
Yeah I guess that was too strong. Oh well, it was becoming a chore anyway

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>>17379641

>>17379664
Cheating is wrong,

>>17379610
Fuck her until you feel the head of the baby crushed by your dick.
Also, use dye.

>>17379641
>>17379660
A smart dev would have made the Lesimas fever a rare event.

>>17379664
I remember when i was young and memory editing.
You'll get that out of your system, soon enough you'll understand the pleasure of going straight.

>>17379677
Nah I'm using it for testing.
>>17379672
Lesimas fewer farming is not that different by me.

>>17379677
And how will playing straight allow me to have a lamia as a magic store vendor?

>>17379691
You're dumb

>>17379672
>Cheating is wrong,
Define wrong.
You're not alowed any emotionnal appeal.

>>17379699
No, you are. There is no clear borderline once you start using exploits.

>>17379716
There's no borderline once you equate every ''cheesy'' tactic to straight up editing the data either bonehead

>>17379692
if you make enough monster balls and practice dominate, yes

>>17379716
Don't ever use a sprite sheet, it's already an exploit.
Retard, My world, My way, and you will abide by it, sperg.

Playing a specific version because you don't like the later change will be cheating too.

>>17379675
DESU i think it was incorporated for a good reason. This is why I get so confused over the scaling.

Summon spirits were nerfed, so add some music ticket spawns. (But why nerf summon spirit? Now it's a useless spell)

Purchase price caps sell price (but fever mode auto-id's items on the ground, encouraging more diving)

Shops nerfed, but more gathering spots so you can craft more items to sell (but did they have to be nerfed that much?)


There's so much thought put into Fever Mode, I just don't know how so little thought is put into the linear (or low cap exponential) damage-dealing special actions

>>17379733
How my evel 120 dominate can allow me to ahave the SPRITE of a lamia for my castle magic store vendor, not my player shop, I never talked about the player shop.

what's the point of oracle scrolls?

>>17379707
Ok
It runs counteractively to the game developer's wishes, so posting in a thread about playing the game and instead cheating means you are not actually playing. The thin line between cheating and playing is constructed by a crowd of people who are all working, voluntarily, within the confines of a set of rules and allowed operations (philosophically known as a game). I don't mean morally wrong, I mean circumventing actions required for gameplay is opposing the spirit of a thread dedicated to gameplay.

It is mechanically wrong and socially unacceptable.

>>17379736
Grow up.
After that, learn some basic psychology.

Being unable to differentiate customization and exploiting, and then calling other people retards. I'm simply at loss of words.

>>17379740
Thing is, he designs those special actions for specific NPCs for some reason.

>>17379764
You get into party time > read scroll > it says artifact is spawned in party time > you cast meteor > profit.

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>>17379736
>sprite sheet is an exploit

>>17379775
I think they're being sarblonic

Anyway no one really cares if you cheat, it just means you're gay, and that's ok

>>17379764
Ｓｏｌｄ　ｉｎ　ｙｏｕｒ　ｓｈｏｐ　ｆｏｒ　ｍａｄ　ｍｏｎｅｙ　！

>>17379769
>socially unacceptable.
How?
What is socially acceptable related to a single solo activity.
Moral is pragmatism, efficiency.
Fucking nothing else.
If you think you can decide the value of what people do alone in their corner and then judge them based on your own disturbing self decided emotional values.
Then go be an authoritarian leftist elsewhere.

Oh jeez, what's all the fuss about here?
This is usually one of the more decent generals...

Other then that, I've been wondering if there are ways to get materials easier tan just dungeon clearing?
I'll never get my crafting skills up with ~2 material spots.
Do higher level dungeons have more spots?

>>17379791
I like how you cherry-picked the last part of the post. You can cheat all you want! Just know that it's silly to suggest it to people who are trying to work within the confines of the game. To most people that is fun, and it's socially unacceptable to show rewards you got for avoiding the process that other people submit themselves to and bond over in a thread on a kerouacian greasepainting imageboard.

Anyway, I only answered because you asked so nicely. I don't care if you cheat! Just know that I think you are a little baby.

>>17379800
Nefian fever mode.

>>17379791
Breaking the rules of the game is shunned upon in most communities, since it disregards community's common sense of value without any real-life benefits to the cheater to excuse such behavior. In other words, its pathetic.

>>17379800
You can make your pets get all the kills and then gather stuff from them, invest in shops at your home and then buy all gain material scrolls, then bless them and mass-read.

>>17379807
>I like how you cherry-picked
>>17379772
>Grow up.
>>17379769
>socially unacceptable.
>>17379699
>You're dumb
>>17379677
>when i was young

You've been insulting to everyone, please leave

>>17379819
! Good point. I want to add to that you need to have your pet gene-engineered (or come equipped with) one or more of:
Fishing, Gene engineering, Detection, Gardening ... Not sure if Mining works but probably. Pets gather resources on kills if they have those skills, and only materials from the skill.

>>17379828
I'm not that person... we're two people arguing with each other... I never called anyone dumb! I called the cheater a baby though.

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>>17379828
Friend...

>>17379807
>>17379819
I won't pretend like I'm with the cheating guy, but try to be mature.
If the guy wants to cheat in a single player game, let him, he's only ruining his own fun.
And if he isn't and that's how he enjoys his game, so what?

>>17379843
Sorry mom

>>17379835
Which cheater?
One person called you out on misusing the word wrong and deciding all memory editing where de facto cheating.
Which cheater?
Because the one using elosnack here as a bad way to say there was nothing to complain about
>>17379664
Is not the guy here >>17379707
Trafico

>>17379828

Thats actually 4 or 5 people linked. Welcome to anonymous image board, friend.

>>17379843

Noone cares how you play, but expect some stones to be thrown if you try to promote such `gameplay`.

>>17379854
How do you misuse a word that has no meaning?

t. Euphoric Eyth Worshipper

>>17379835
>>17379819
Oh, gotta get my gene engineering up!

>>17379807
Why is there so little info on this stuff?
All I could find is a book ingame that i never picked up.
Are nefia monsters?

>>17379890
Hi there! The english wiki we tend to use is http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki. Nefian Fever was introduced in update 1.69, it happens on months not divisble by 3 between the 15th and about the 20th. Fire sprites appear on your clock. More loot in dungeons, stuff on ground is identified for you, music tickets in gold piles if high enough level, a TON of gathering spots. It's supplemental to a massive shop nerf.

>>17379918
That's technically a single sprite that is placed over the clock. I wonder if a younger sister face with eyes on fire could be made to work without fucking the clock itself

Nefia fewer is such a nice idea to promote active gameplay. I'm afraid that players will stop dungeon diving without this mode with time, though.

>>17379890
Also http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Detection if you REALLY like gathering materials, put some platinum in training this up.

>>17379928
Should work I think

>>17379929
...I've already pretty much done that. Oh well!

>>17379931
What is supposed to be the g-enginering spot? Looks like nothing to me.

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>Enter Lv176 dungeon
>Ragnarock out of fucking nowhere



>>17379942
I think it looks similar to an alchemy set. Idk, I just stand on all of em and hold down 's'

>>17379918
Oh, I know about the wiki, I guess I was just searching for the wrong thing, or my internet was fucking up. Thanks though!

>>17379931
Oh, more stuff to funnel plat into, how wonderful.
Makes me real glad I got the goose.

>>17379854
I don't think the point was about all memory editing, I just see guys that disagree with ''players making use of dev oversight = memory editing stats''.

There was a guy talking about psychology, well everyone should understand that if there is any *in-game* way for players to get ahead faster, they will nearly always exploit it. Look at summon spirits in party time quests before the nerf for example.

It is the job of the dev to keep these things in check and from spiralling out of control, or better yet make use of it (someone said make exploit into an event). This is also a game that is for a large part about ''breaking the game'' (getting strong faster, finding new methods to be efficient at whatever you do) so players are always looking for ways to bypass their ''work''. But all of it still takes place in the game itself and not an external program.

>>17379954
It just reminds me of a pretty big amount of bugs and unintended features from earlier versions that allowed extremely fast growth with passive gameplay. Its kinda cool to find all that stuff but it impacts gameplay in a way similar to memory/savegame editing, it spoils(not sure if its the right word, english is weird) players too much.

No more please mom will get mad

Please keep all cheating discussion in our special thread : https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=257455

Wait. Are draw shadow and Multiple Gather blocked by "prevents teleport" ? I'd give up liching if I didn't have to worry about DEATHCRAB

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One day i'll get a couple of Garok'ed rings with SLB and gather all the escort quests on the map.

>>17379981
>Moses takes the slaves TO Dephry

My dude, I think you read that book right-to-left

>>17379819
memory editing to create a scuttlebug jamboree isn't cheating

>>17379990
Guiding refugees from orderly Palmia, Vernis and Yowyn to a land of pure freedom.

>>17379077
It has tons of features and mechanics that have no right being pasted together that somehow make a fun game even when mindlessly grinding.
It is one of the few games I can make a party out of basically anything in the game I want, and allows me to give them their own in game personalities via tone.txt.
Just tons of rp possibilities in general supported by mechanics.
Also the main plot is just engaging enough to me it gives me a reason on top of everything else to keep playing when I normally get bored of open sand box games in like a week.

>>17379800
I don't know, but lately these threads have been filled with a bit of frustration and anger over the most trivial things like the definitions of "essential" and "cheating". Hopefully this will all pass and the threads will go back to 100% relaxing.

>>17379890
It's mainly because as far as gaming communities go the English elona player base seems small. If you ever are curious about something try the wiki others have linked (which admittedly takes time to update and is hard in some cases if you don't know EXACTLY what you are looking for). If it doesn't have/you can't find something just pop in the thread and ask. Most people are willing to help out.
Nefia are the lores name for the random dungeons that pop up on the map.

>>17379994
I do it to change the portrait and sprite of my home shopkeeper, hence why I uploaded the snack file.
Incidentally, it can also be used for eternal stayers.
>>17380006
True, between discord, reddit, the wiki and /jp/, the holyland of the youger sisters, we must be around 100+ player on a good week?
Elin may bring more.

Do I want a blackmarket vendor if I'm not a thief guild member? Otherwise I'm assuming it's magic/food, +goods for rod of firewall.

>>17380082
BM sometimes gives pretty good items at very high investment.

>>17380086
Do you feel good about having one though? Or would you rather scrap it and get another magic vendor.

>>17380082
>magic/food
We can get food vendors? Not just general/good vendors?

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Any ideas why my (Org) CON attrib is higher than current one? I have no equipment that lowers this attrib, and NPC recover doesnt do anything to my attributes.

>>17380093
Well its intriguing to check new stuff from that guy from time to time. I usually get equips for my new pets from him.

>>17380107
Oh, maybe you can't. That explains why I've been waiting 6000 years for one to show up on my house board.

>>17380120
I'm sold, intriguing > efficient

My pets are better at killing shit than I am.
I beat Usazzil, or whatever the guy in the Fort of Chaos <Hell> is called, by spamming Mist of Silence and Slow until my pets murderized him.

>>17380120
Faith?
Kumitrap at work?

>>17380120
You have the "big head smart man" ether disease

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>>17380134
The usual. One one of my playthroughs I simply trained my soul-spindled bell in Port Kapul until it got around 300-400 win streaks easily.then i got murdered on my first encounter with lv4 and fame>100k

>>17380142
Kumi is love Kumi is life. Too bad he is into cats.

>>17380152
The opposite of IRL, it seems. Forgot to check feats. Thank you.

How does a pure magic character fare in the late game?

The idea I had was to make a fairy spellcaster with (no more than) 2 tanky melee pets, but I'm not sure if I should substitute magic arrow spam with maybe firearms for a smoother late game if resistances become a problem.

>>17380214
Definitely not magic arrow, but it works pretty well overall. I'd suggest getting one of the pets with Megid Flame and spam lightning/water spells til you could oneshot everything with meteor.

Can I just say nothing feels quite like throwing a potion of weaken resistance on an enemy and having them elemental scarred and wet to sap with a lightning rod.

>>17380214
Ball spells > bolt > darts
Magic-typed (raw magic) damage is great but you'll need to specifically abandon magic dart eventually for better scaling spells (magic storm, ice ball against wet targets, meteor)

This always bugs me about the game though. Why is there a hierarchy of single target/line/radius that only gets better? I would think single target would excel against single target, but this is not the case, due to speed. Maybe one day we'll get feats for bolt/single target casters?

>>17380395
Try using alchemy rain to get an entire room weakened and wet and then freezing them all with ice ball.

>>17380395
Those aren't the same debuff? Oh lord

>>17380404
Ball spells have no range.
Fairies have no life.
I'm rather content with lightning/water bolt combo

Magic is ok if you go crystal spear or magic storm, but ultimately are inferior to pirmary elements if you debuff and wetten targets. Nether is reasonably good for selfheal though.
Also, its good idea to follow this >>17380409 anon's advice.

>>17380455
I feel like nether would be a legitimate route if it overhealed you, not sure about otherwise

>>17380409
I would love to but alas I have a party and I don't want to kill them by weakening them at the same time.

>>17380412
Nope. Wet is literally just being wet after standing in water or hit with any potion. That doubles lightning and ice damage, but halves fire damage.
Elemental scar weakens resistance to the 3 main elements(fire/ice/lightning).
Putting them together is very fun.

>>17380545
Control Magic?

>>17375735
>>17376325
You can "easily" reproduce this as I've noticed, as adventurer NPCs will force restock their inventory when you trade with them until they get to a point there there's some sort of timer before they can do it again.
If the item they restock is a potion they'll get stuck in a loop of drinking a potion unless they lack an equipment piece, and well be restocking a new one potion once the last one has been drunk and/or timer runs out.

>>17380545
>I don't want to kill them by weakening them at the same time.
That's why I spend 1000 AP on upgrading each of my pets' quality

>>17380562
More worried about the hound/mage enemies that manage to survive killing them honestly.
Nothing stopping them from sniping my team after I weaken them.

>>17380566
Jesus christ how horrifying.

>>17380569
Excellent point. Can't believe I didn't think of that.
Now if only there was a potion of nightmare I could have fun being a grenade throwing maniac late game on top of electrocuting everything in sight.

>>17380605
Weaken resistance applies both hexes.

>>17380615
.....I'm not even mad that I was too dumb to notice. This is amazing and thank you anon for letting me know this wonderful news!

When leveling a livng weapon, is any of the slay[race] worthwhile?

>>17380705
Gods maybe. 1,5x multiplier vs the most difficult enemies is always nice.

how do I interact with the stuff in my cargo thing?

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>>17380869
You can sell it to traders in any inn. Other than that you can Drop/eXamine/Eat it

>>17380887
the thing is, I got a piano there, and I don't know how to sell/drop it

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>>17380914
Err, i meant traders in bar in any town. Find any bar and sell it here. Or press 'd' and drop it.

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>>17380922
oh, thanks!

>>17380615
Wait really
And this indirectly improves Violent Garden.

>>17381262
Elona Thread #6942 - Violent Garden General

>>17381308
level 70 in south tilith, is it too late to feel overpowered with garden kun?
I have one kumi's treasure to eat.

>>17381329
Well, can you beat this http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Mobile_Communication_Equipment with violent garden

>>17381387
No.
You use Violent Garden to take out all its helpers, and then you kill it.

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Uncontroll + Violent garden = <3
No, seriously, fury got no downsides if all enemies are dead. Using it before changing floors for guaranteed oneshots.

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Looking for a ranged magic based pet to supplement my main three of a little girl lumberjack, 15 meter tall martial arts practitioning Flame Dragon and toothpick poking Defender.
Suggestions would be helpful.
Cuteness is always the deciding factor.

>>17381471
Fox bro is kinda squishy but is cute and one of his evolutions learns Megid Flame. Flame Dragon does get that ability I believe, though.
There's also the new silver fox brother, but he's harder to get.
Exile, Itzpalt's god pet, has the unique ability to cast its three dart spells in one action.
You can always teach pets Crystal Spear for AP, or any spell you have at level 50+ if you have Elona Custom.

>>17381471
I'd recommend my wife but fuck you she's mine. Dark elea's not a bad choice but good luck finding one, much less one that's not (male).

You could always evolve a little girl into a magical girl. They get good spells on their own and you can always teach her more.

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>>17381471
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Abyss_Princess
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Nein_the_flying_witch
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/M_girl

And the cutest mage pet requires picrelated.

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>>17381501
In all seriousness I think little witch is the best choice, sanity heal is nice.

But cute fairy is still the cutest.

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So I was thinking of using Catsister or something, but when I got that Alias... I think I just used Juere as the race instead. It's really rough doing nothing but hand-to-hand though.

Been spending most of my time just running to Yowyn, Harvest Timing a lot, doing Escort Quests. Not really sure what to do actually still, hrm.

Need to remember how to add in a portrait.

>>17381591
Save platinum to buy skills and also keep their potentials out of the gutter. It's hard to balance that early on.
In the future look towards getting Investing once you're no longer dirt poor so you can Invest 50 in Magic vendors and pull your attribute potentials out of the gutter.

>>17381591
Portrait \user\graphic\face#.bmp 80x112
Better get some healing magic and second pet asap. Herb gardening is nice early since you get good potential for attributes from rare herbs, so i'd invest some plat in gardening til lv30 or something.
Train evade a bit with putits.

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>>17381471
I am so bothered both by the fact that a "12 year old" has a sprite of adult fate and that unlike the others, the portrait doesn't even fit her.

>>17381471
get that new race-buffing roran secretchar , turn it female.

Also how do you even do that, wish secretchar after reading book?

>>17381600
Yeah, I think I'm up to 20+ pp so far... I'm also playing with Elona+, that should've been important to mention I think.

>>17381628
I did go and pick up a second little girl from the Slave Master recently. I forget completely how magic even works in Elona, been ages since I tried it.

Picking Predator as the starting class was maybe not the best idea, but it sounded appropriate.

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>>17381721
You can change classes now with business card (won at casino). Pets have their magic based solely on Casting skill and main attribute for the spell.
Predator is okay. There are better choices but yours is pretty safe. Little girl wont learn magic until you get magic and another hearts for evolution, so better get some god pet and use her for melee with stave(for training con) weapon. MA training is tedious, so good luck. Maybe its better to hunt for Art of Martial Arts book and read it during bad weather/in snowy areas as long as you have plat to upgrade potential.

Maybe pick picrelated god, this tsundere will passionately watch over you, jure's heal skill is pretty nice both early and late, its easy to gain her favor and defender is pretty nice for melee.
Get as much equipment with 'chance to get extra attack' bonus and take everything from your hands once you get this. This will allow you to deal up to 8 attacks barehanded at once.
Once you learn attribute, use ice or lightning element and throw potions (ideally weaken resistance) at beefy targets.

>>17381773
Thanks for the advice anon. Been ages since I played Elona, and I think last time I just used Elosnack to pick God, add back all the equipment slots, and went to town.

...
Of course that only lasts so long, since eventually you can't just run headlong into enemies and always expect to not die horrendously.

Been also considering for fun to do some Symphogear-esque builds. Maybe do one based on Kanade, or take advantage of Farmer's unique passive to do a Kirika build using a Scythe.

Gimmicky things are fun. Farmer also has all those kind of handy skills you'd get anyway, at the expense of having absolutely no combat skills to start with, of course...

>>17381773
>You can change classes now with business card (won at casino).
Wait those aren't just an aesthetic? If you actually type in a proper class it changes you to that?
SHIT

>>17381826
Yes.
Type in the name of your desired class (in lowercase) and it'll switch your hidden feat to that class'.

>>17381835
And I kept using those to give my self bullshit class names for shit and giggles, fucking damn it.

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>>17381686
>12 year old
>lumberjack
>oppai loli
I think its fair to say she's just over developed for her age.

>>17381945
I see you're a man of culture as well.

Is there some kind of quickswitch or presets for equipment? I have separate gear for gardening that isn't for combat, and it gets annoying swapping it out every time.

>>17381998
There is a feature like that in extended tool for elona. Never tried it.

>>17382028
Ah, ok. Good to know. Thanks!

>>17381471
I'm a little confused at how all three of those have the exact same EXP count.

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>>17381998
>>17382028
>>17382035

https://mega.nz/#!1ZsizKSQ

Copy ElonaExtender in Elona folder, start elona extender, adjust settings and select relevant executable to start Elona from it. Anon said it bugs out when you try to swap equipment but you dont have it in inventory, beware. For me, most features work properly with any Elona version, including custom. Only expiration time for food sometimes vanishes for some reason.

>>17382092
In Snack we trust! probably. maybe.

I forget, is there some way to make little girls look different from one another? Or should I maybe just get some new kind of pets... hard to tell my little girls apart.

I also can't remember if you only need one leash, or if you need one leash per pet. I totally forgot where you got them until I wandered into Noyel.

>>17381501
>>17381505
>>17381507
Cheers, I'll start piling of mysterious diaries for a Fox bro since Gwen's keeping me stuck in Act 1 and I'm a loyal follower of Yacatect for another 11 months.

Totally dropping him for a Dark Elea or taking the Abyss Princess out for adventures when I can though.

>>17381686
She was fine and dandy until the Evo Heart steroids hit her, should morph her back into her base sprite.

>>17382092
You're looking at the total exp to level numbers, current exp is just above that.

>>17382297
>You're looking at the total exp to level numbers, current exp is just above that.
Yes, I'm confused at how those are all the exact same numbers.

>>17382250
'i'nteract->Shape change
Can give your pet a custom sprite.
Leash doesn't need to be in your inventory. Think of it as a magic device that adds or removes the "leashed" status to any number of pets.

>>17382332
The little girl was 459,759 from leveling, the fire dragon child's 99,286 and the defender's 189,479.

The Next Lv number's always a static target number to go from one level to the next while the EXP counter resets to zero when you hit it.

>>17382344
Leash doesn't have to be in my inventory? What do you mean by that? I tried checking the wiki on the Leash, but I couldn't find it anymore...

While it is sometimes nice to have my little girls slaughtering anything and everything, its also bad when they leave me defenseless and some Hungry Demon or something eats my face off.

>>17382415
You can use the leash on your pets and from then on they'll teleport back to you until you use it on them again. It doesn't have to stay in your inventory.
The stethoscope works the same.

Is it rude to practice your magic on a five head god?

>>17382518
The five head god is a piece of shit that keeps burping in your face, do whatever you want to it.

I'm guessing if I'm playing a Fairy I want Dual Wield as my melee skill, and not Two Hand, correct?

>>17382694
Not sure about dual wield, but I don't think you can ever wield anything that weights more than 4s so two hand would never apply.

>>17382714
Two hand applies to light weapons, just with reduced effect.

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Got 2 spellbooks of wish back to back within seconds. It's times like this I really wonder about leaving investment of magic vendors at like 200 shop level instead of raising it to some high number if you have gold to burn. I know I was mass investing to raise charisma so it would at least be more in line with my other high attributes.

A lot of my spellbooks of wish I got off of my home vendors at shop level 20k instead of the rest of the magic vendors in all the towns of North/South Tyris and Irva. The town shopkeepers are at like 2k shop level for me.

I do see spellbooks of wish on them sometimes but I just wonder why the 8 at home seem to carry them more for me than the 17 other vendors found out in the world. Either this is some weird coincidence or there might be something more definitive going on. At any rate, yay for at least 100 more levels from wishing.

>>17376754
Truly what the gods fear. These crabs are evolving at an alarming rate.

>>17382721
If anything a fairy would want Shield to help with their squishiness.

>>17382752
If they actually care about their melee skills, they're likely not touching their MP. If they're not touching their MP, barrier solves the squishiness.

>>17382749
Your shopkeepers have like 150m invested in them. That's crazy

>>17382694
DW or martial arts.
>>17382721
there wont be any effect for less than 1s weapon

>>17382778
>there wont be any effect for less than 1s weapon
Testing this now.

So I've got this bug where no matter what I do all my character does is try to pick things up. I can't use any other keys except movement and hotbar, it's like the g key is stuck but obviously it is not. Can't cast spells, open inventory, or save the game properly. What happened?

>>17382752
shield is for mages, battlemage fairy cannot use magic equip, thus shield is the only viable choice for them.
Shield completely murders mid-lategame damage potential, not recommend for melee PCs
DW fairy is inferior to MA fairy even with very good weapons.

>>17382798
Nevermind, it magically fixed itself. Ok, good talk. If it happens to you: I dunno.

>>17382778
>>17382786
Used wizard mode and cheat engine to get a character to 2k two-hand skill.
Wished for a lightsaber and a shield.
With the lightsaber (weight .6s) equipped with nothing in the other hand slot, melee was 2d5+1 x62.1 hit 93%.
Equipping the shield changed that to 2d5+1 x2.2 hit 68%.
The shield had no abilities that would influence hit chance or damage multiplier.

Conclusion: Light weapons benefit from two-hand.

>>17382817
what about multiplier for 365s weapon?

>>17382823
Outside the scope of my test.

>>17382834
to compare how much worse TH is for fairy vs standard chara

>>17382859
Still outside the scope of my test.
I have verified that two-hand provides benefits with <1s weapons. Period, space, space, end of paragraph, end of page, end of file.

>>17382870
can`t be! such a shallow test.

>>17382878
I had a yes/no question.
I conclusively answered the yes/no question.

If you want the answer to another question, you can go find that answer yourself.

>>17382878
It's better than no benefit, but it's not as good of a bonus as a heavy weapon. It's in the middle.
The real question is "If you want to make a 2handing character why are you playing a fairy?"

>>17382859
Full benefits of the two hand skill is not realized until the weapon passes a certain weight threshold. The log will tell you if a weapon is suitable for two hand style. If it is you'll see a greater damage multiplier than if it was too light for two hand. In other words, light weapons can benefit from two hand but to maximize its bonuses a weapon needs to be a certain weight or greater. More info can be found with the two hand article on the wiki:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Two_Hand

While you can make a fairy be a pure two hand wielder and make it work, a non fairy pure two hand wielder would do more damage simply because he/she is not weight restricted. There is a damage boost to crit for weapons that weigh a ton.

>>17382749
Redpill me on how you make so much gold Senpai.

Ok, after running cargo between Port Kapul and Noyel for a while I was finally able to upgrade from shack to Palace and have started the process of trying to be creative.

Is there any way to tell what tiles on the enter menu are passable or impassable/walls? I have a couple ideas for a moat and a guest customs/drowning chamber but I can't seem to make heads or tails of the tiles.
Do I just need to keep randomly trying them until I find the right kinds?

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>>17382987
There's a lot of ways to make money in the game but earlier on you probably won't make much. This changes though and earning potential ramps up the further along you are in the game since you have access to more resources and can spend money to make even more money.

In my case, I made my gold earlier on by collecting everything I saw on the dungeon floor in random dungeons/void and selling it. I also sold cooked food from the meats I would gather from dead enemies. The money from the items I was selling from junk treasure wasn't anything to write home about back then but it helped support me. I got more money from selling cooked food however. I used my gold to buy all sorts of things but as far as making gold goes the important purchases were scrolls of gain material and properties such as farms and shops. Between the scrolls, the resource nodes in dungeons, and later on pets, I had enough materials eventually to train up my crafting skills such as tailoring, alchemy, and carpentry.

My farms were cranking out produce and I would sell tons of cooked produce for gold to vendors in towns. My first stores I opened up were a magic store and a blacksmith. I would sell the junk I got from dungeons in them and got a bump in how much gold I was making through selling it in my own stores than vendoring. Much later, about the time I got a ranch, I opened up a restaurant/shop to sell cooked food.

As I practiced crafting stuff my tailoring skill got high enough where I could craft stuff in bulk to sell for a lot of gold. That supplemented all the other stuff I was doing. Keeping my shops constantly stocked with stuff, I eventually got to shop rank 1, Tyris's greatest mall. At first my shopkeepers didn't really move much inventory but as my shop rank and their skills rose that all changed.

Despite the nerfs to shops, they're still very good gold making machines even in 1.70. At the very least, the blacksmith and the food shop are very good gold earners at least in my experience. My magic shop doesn't make that much gold 1.70 but the fact that I can get spellbooks/rods of wish traded in and scrolls of gain attribute from it keeps me from closing it down.

As I said before, crafting is one of the way I make gold and I assure you it can be a very lucrative business. For instance, I have a brand of panties that I have the goddess of wealth, the shopkeeper of my blacksmith, sell. People are willing to pay top gold for panties in Elona. In my picture I crafted a seemingly unremarkable panty aside from the fact that its material is dawn cloth. Selling to a store vendor I would get 160k in gold. Having my shopkeeper sell it in my store however I was able to flip that same panty for 864k gold. So not only does this prove panties are very lucrative but even pet run stores in 1.70 are still worth it. Selling a bunch of panties I can get millions each day from that alone however I sell other stuff I craft such as beer. I also have a ranch which I get lamb from and sell premium lamb steaks in my food shop for lots of gold as well along with cooked stuff from dungeons. Junk gear from dungeons also gets tossed into the blacksmith.

Eventually you can build multiple streams of income and just make so much gold you have tons in your safe stored up. Currently I'm still going through my 44 million I have on hand but I have about 200 million waiting for me in my safe at the moment. I'm content with how much I make and I can think of plenty of things to spend it on. Could go for another round of growth scroll stacking so I can spend a lot of time in a dungeon leveling things without having to come up to visit a trainer.

>>17383087
Damn, this is so comprehensive, thank you. Here's proof that food stores are still worth it and crafting isn't nerfed out of existence, rather, is probably the best source of income. Super cool, thank you.

Any particularly good place to get Casino Chips? I got unlucky with Etherwind, took too long to find the Inn in Noyel, and got some really bad Ether mutations... and of course, now that I need the Potions of Cure Corruption, I somehow lost the ones I had.

>>17383440
Wait for fever mode and then run through low level dungeons until it ends.
You should have like 20+ if you get all the material spots.

I got trouble with inventory.
Where i can get a list of minimal set of consumable items?
I am just a mage.
Sure i need rod of teleportation, heart for timing pets, rod of change monster, scroll/rod of mana, scroll of escape, return.
Poison/sulfuric vs aliens.
Blessed restore body and spirit.
Blessed healing potion
Healing rod.
Fire and ice proof.
I know, this is just a part of this set.

Do you get separate ranking/fame for each shop or all your shops share same ranking?
>>17383580
Food? Blankets? Cure corruption pot and other expensive shit to trade with adventurers? A couple of monster balls?

>>17383440
Pet arena if you have op pets.

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Of course my first wish boots would spawn in a state where I practically die if I put them on.

Can you actually get Lulwy's Trick invoke on random equipment?

>>17383602
>Food? Blankets? Cure corruption pot and other expensive shit to trade with adventurers? A couple of monster balls?
Yes. Thats it.
Maybe need any more kinds of consumeables?