Why are light novels such an awful medium?

>>17101209
Low standards for publication.

No seriously that's it.

>>17101209
How many did you read? In Japanese that is.

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>>17101210
This.

>>17101210
this basically
pretty much anyone can get one made because of how low the standard is for making a profit since all you need is like 6 good drawings and really shitty writing
but that's the same as it is for all novels and books

EOPs think they can judge a medium they can't read

>>17101214
>can't read
dude they're books that expect you to know about 1000 kanji and even then use furigana for basically everything, they're pretty lcd

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>>17101209
Because 95% of everything is awful. LNs are no different, they're just manga in text form. Also, it's really only the popular pandering moneymakers that get translated or animated. Plenty of good stuff get passed up because they're harder to get into.

>>17101215
>dude they're books that expect you to know about 1000 kanji and even then use furigana for basically everything
Except that's completely wrong you retarded EOP, don't talk about shit you have no idea about

>Hakomari
You take that back nigga

Now it ain't some literary masterpiece but it ain't that

>>17101215
>even then use furigana for basically everything
I really wish this was true. Would make it a lot easier to pick vocab from them.

Can you guys even mention one novel released in the past year you consider good, language doesn't matter

Easy profit for high lack of effort, just like American YA novels

All you have to do is copy what's popular. It's different than manga where you need to be able to draw as well.

>>17101209
They're made be teenagers, for teenagers.

>>17101216
>Lot of good stuff get passed up because they're harder to get into.
This is sadly true. I'm still wandering how many good stuff from the mid-70s to early-90s that are sitting around without an anime or translation.

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Slayers is literature and Lina is perfect

>>17101209
Some of them are passable enough to act as a story board for a superior medium like manga or anime, but yeah, by themselves, they are completely and total shit.

>>17101209
>oregario
one of these is not like the others.

>>17101216
Actually, no
Sturgeon's law says it's just 90% of everything is crap. Unfortunately, the standards in publishing an LN is completely abysmal making it's chance of failure soar up to 99%. They just kept on throwing shit to see which one sticks

>>17101210
This. And I believe most LN garbage written by "ghostwriters".

>>17101221
Well for example "Ender's Game" is YA novel. But quality is completely different compared to LN

>>17101217
>>17101219
they do exist, I'm not lying, it's just the ones that do use furigana and such are really trashy and are more of just smut/porn than any attempt of being a wish fulfillment or actual narrative, but I honestly don't think the rest are really much more complicated anyways

>>17101226
>one of these is not like the others.
Please don't kid yourself.

>>17101209
one of these is not like the others

>>17101228
Nah. LNs aren't the type of thing to be ghostwritten.

You get contests and recruited materials from online WN websites that perform really well and are published.

WNs differ from their LN counterpart due to the fact there is some changes to the story or the story gets a massive rehaul.

You also got some anomaly LNs. Goblin Slayer started out as blogposts on fc2 using ASCII and got turned into a Light Novel or Maoyu which was posted on 2ch in play format then converted into a book..

>>17101231
utsuro no hako might be unlike the others but that's honestly one of the strangest book series I've ever read from any country
it makes freaking shadowrun look consistent in terms of quality

>>17101232
Yeah Index is actually good.

>>17101231
>Please don't kid yourself.

Please don't kid yourself.

>>17101226
I agree, HakoMari shouldn't be there.
and neither should machine doll, to an extent

>>17101213
Chrome Shelled Regios had shit drawings. And was shit writing. And it got like 20 volumes published.

>>17101209
Literally any fucktard can make one. Hell at least when you make a manga you need to know how to draw, LNs can be made by a fucking kid

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>>17101220
While not the best in the series, QUEENS has a good story and does a good job at continuing where ACES left off and setting up where the next book will continue.

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>>17101209
They're shitty fantasies written by otaku who don't even like anime enough to learn to draw.

>>17101210
All the people saying "this" really aren't much for critical thought are they? VNs have standards that are even lower but even the best LN has yet to touch the heights of a good VN. It's not about "publication", it's about the kind of people drawn to the format.

"I want to tell a niche story through an appropriate medium as an end in itself, I well self publish this at my own expense as a doujin if needed because I'm passionate about my work" -VN Author

"I have an autistic fantasy in my head marginally different than the autistic fantasies that inspired it but can't draw so I'll write a shitty book as disposable entertainment for vacuous otaku with no taste and hope it gets made into an anime, also I want easy money" -LN Author

Two completely different breeds really. LN Authors really are the lowest of the low.

>>17101209
still better than visual novel (porn games)

Just make some battle harem another world stuff and you get an instant profit. It's like making a generic M rated FPS game. People will always buy it.

>>17101209
They're Goosebump tier writing for the most part as that is the primary demographic for this crap.

i accidentally bought a light novel because it had big tits on the cover. Have you read sousei no ishtar? I like the illustrations but I don't want to read it. I would rather wait for the anime or comic to be made

>>17101238
They're cheap as hell to publish. If you sell like a few thousand copies and you're guaranteed a job writing forever until you want to end your story.

>>17101210
No, that doesn't explain anything. However easy it is to publish, a series doesn't get popular (and made into an anime etc) just by being published.

>>17101209
Easy to produce.
If anime was as easy to make as light novels it would be as awful.

>>17101209
Any idiot can write a (shitty) book. As a shitty author, you can easily get away with pretending to be a good one and still get published.

It's not a terrible medium, because there's plenty of good light novels. It doesn't matter how shit the average light novel is because you can just choose to only read the good ones and ignore the shit ones.

I find them very entertaining but i don't think it has any value as real literature has, it's just pure entertainment.

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Light novels are perfect

>>17101209
They are the superior medium. Sorry.

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>>17101209

Apologize.

>>17118992
can Nisio stuff really be considered LNs

>>17109322
>as real literature
Not this shit again.

www at those mentioning that VN are better than LN when they're a different kind of trash.

>>17118992

The whole series came out for a LN line, so yeah.

>>17119229

Not that anon and don't agree with the concept of "real literature", but do think LNs will never reach the same tier as academic writing. As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there are economic reasons to support this (lower cost to produce, higher sales).

I don't say that to discourage reading LNs, but ignoring their problems won't make us better consumers/readers.

ugh i fucking hate words

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>>17118930
>ero-LN
Not usually the sort of thing people are thinking when they say "light novel" but I approve nonetheless

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>>17101209
There are fun ones, too, OP. You just have to stop being a helpless baby and start using your brain.

>>17101229
>Ender's game
lel 2bh

Fuck you, OP. You're awful.

>>17101300
I really like mgrp, but the deaths in them do seem a bit forced. deaths of main characters and all is fine, but when 90% of the people die in every book it becomes a bit silly. kind of like game of thrones, at a certain point it feels like you're just killing people for the sake of making your book about people dying and trying to cater to that shock value.

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>>17128136
>at a certain point it feels like you're just killing people for the sake of making your book about people dying and trying to cater to that shock value.
This was my biggest problem about JOKERS since Shufflin kills 9 characters, 4 of them in the same place, under the same circumstances (Quake, Tempest, Utakatta and Kafuria), one of them with no build-up or foreshadowing at all (Umbrain) and one of them just so she can't appear in later books (Filuru)

>>17118992
Look at the label. Is it a light novel label? If so, it's a light novel. If not, then it isn't.

Because the high quality ones like Spice and Wolf become labeled as just illustrated regular novels instead.

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