Rhythm Games Thread

first for soumd voltex

>beatmania has almost 20 years
>it only has 3 games

I'm 6'4'', is there a way to remove the mat on a iidx arcade in Japan to play while standing without anyone complaining?

>>16825558
you can, but if you won't reach the supernatural kaiden powers without the power stance

sound voltage

>>16825531
>sound voltex 2 is released
>it doesnt add two more buttons
>sound voltex 3
>no floppy disk support

>tfw can't have fun with anything different from 11s
How do I git gud at 12s without becoming angry anon?

first for sound voltex is fucking gay

sound WOOSH WOOSH BAM WHEEW

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:thinking:

>>16825620
delete this post right now

>>16825558
no, not really. you cant take it out without a lot of effort and arcades would probably kick you out if you tried

random is cheating

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>>16825642

:thinking:

>>16825558

remove the mat?!?! its a fucking bolted on subwoofer transducer. are you going to pick it up and carry it away?

just play like the dude in OPs picture. sure, you look like a mega-tool, but half the people at my arcade play that way anyway

>>16825797

>sure, you look like a mega-tool

don't listen to him >>16825558 anon you look really cool when you power stance
these games are designed for manlet gooks anyways

>no sdvx cabinets
>two iidx cabinets on the other side of the country
Why is canada so shit for rhythm games, only ones that are near me are dance games and I have no interest in them

>>16826204
You'd think with all the chinks and gooks here there'd be more demand for this kind of stuff.

>>16826204
Time to get the home arcade running then.

>just start playing iidx
>pretty good at rhythm games in general but trying to get adjusted to the buttons
>tfw someone else is waiting behind you to play and they watch you and it makes you more nervous so you just start messing up and spill your spaghetti everywhere

i just want to learn how to git gud ;-;

>>16826550

That person behind you literally doesn't care. They're just waiting for their turn to play, and it doesn't matter if you're playing 1s or 12s. Everyone knows when they go to the arcade they're probably going to have to wait at some point, just relax and have fun

>>16826555
honestly i figured the rhythm game clique at my local arcade is alot like the fighting game players. we're all for new players but it gets annoying when you're trying to play matches with people and a scrub comes up and now we gotta wait.

>tfw the arcade peepz on my local neighborhood hates jubeat qubell
why? they're always clumping and playing that shitty maimai game

Are VR rythm games allowed here?
I really enjoy Beats Fever. It's from Shanghai though. Anyone know of good VR rythm games from Japan?

>>16826875
>playing any other game than IIDX
u should just stop desu baka baka desu fampai

>>16825558
I've seen a 2m guy playing IIDX, floor pad and all. He just uses really high lift.

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>>16826550
>rebouncekiller sph sightread
>forgot to take hard off
>ded right before the song ends
>mfw

>>16827912

the problem isn't really with reading it's more with the angle your wrist/forearm is to the buttons, puts a lot more strain on your fingers. At least for me

>>16828583
ＰＯＷＥＲＳＴＡＮＣＥ

Just downloaded Audiosurf a few weeks ago lads,
I'm having a great time with it 2bh

>>16828643
Audiosurf is not a rhythm game

it's a music game and a very good one but it's not a rhythm game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahcKkwf6SDk

IIDX crossover when

>>16825558
I never really thought of this and im the same height. Would it really be that uncomfortable to play on a cab normally?

How do you know where your hands are on the keyboard on keyboardmania? The keyboard I'm using has an extra octave on both sides and my hands just get lost if I'm not looking directly at the keys.

Feels like I gotta look up piano lessons before getting into this.

>>16830235
I've played on AC only a few times and it's certainly uncomfortably low if you're at least 6 feet.

Next time I play AC I'll learn to powerstance.

>>16830245
You're right - learn to play the piano and it kind of automatically happens, but even without knowing that you'll eventually get a sort of feel for "home position"

>>16830235
>>16830254
You could bring a box and play on your knees

>>16825620
wha

is this real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD7q-_nJNPQ
look at this insane ddr player i found, isn't he cool XD

>>16830861

OMG is that Max300?! no human alive can clear that song. only kevbo and hes a robot as we all know. it's physically impossible.

I love the 180 on the slowdown. booyah. then straight back into his great-fest.

>>16830881
wowww duuude like so epic man xD dude your a ddr god! LMAO

Fuck Americans, they're such fucking normalfags.

hilarious posts guys

>>16830896

I believe you're genuinely autistic to be offended by that post. He was obviously just playing off the the style of shitposting of the post he was quoting.

>Add wome rivals from the people in the thread
>I'm literally better than every single one of them

Not even trying to brag, but I wanted some people better than me to inspire me to get better. Maybe I'll add some people one rank higher than mine

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>>16830839

>>16832159
What did Beatmania mean by this?

Reminder that the UK has the worst music game community

>>16832278
not as bad as central/south america or sea monkeys

>>16832061
i usually just add rivals who are same dan rank as me. i still feel like shit with only 3 12 clears but im kicking their ass on everything else

>>16832061
>tfw cant into dans or dense charts but godly at scratching and timing

i'll never find an appropriate rival

>>16832061

>add rivals from same dan rank
>they all have terrible accuracy

>>16833327
You should try not exerting your shoulder too much and ensuring it does not get worse.
So maybe, depends if that's what's fucking your shoulder. Do you use your mouse with your left hand?

My right shoulder hurts. Should I stop playing FPSs?

>>16833348
why are fpses hurting your shoulder? i just aim with my wrist

i'm LEM in csgo and pretty good at quake 3

>>16833347
Sorry, it's my right shoulder. >>16833348
And idk, it's like, permanent, it only stops when I sleep.

>>16833347
>>16833363
Oh, but it hurts the most when I play more than 30m.

>>16833363
Go to a doctor. Does it hurt in the joint of the muscles?

>>16833374
It's hard to tell, it's like random the point it hurts. I will, but I want to try to fix at home first.

IIDX remastered collection when

Sound Voltex [any mix]
Beatmania IIDX:[any edition]
Groove Coaster 3EX
Percussion Freaks/Guitar Freaks
Cross Beats
DDR
ITG
PIU
Project Diva
Museca 1+1/2
Taiko No Tatsujin
MaiMai
Chunithim

Choose one game to play for the rest of your life
You end up mastering it,achieve kaiden,SSS's,FC's,and can play ANY chart with every modifier enabled and still pass without breaking a sweat

BUT

every other game is shit and you aren't able to play anything else mentally since you will have wasted all of your potential on your first game of choice

which will it be anons?

>>16833358
>CS:GO
>aiming with your wrist
not a pro if your hand doesn't fly all over the place because you set it to 0.00001 sensitivity

>>16833466
I'm not too invested into rhythm games, I could live without it. So would choose IIDX for the status of it being a hard game. I hope you meant that I would be good at all editions, not just a particular one.

>>16833467
my edpi is like 1500, awp flicks like you wouldnt believe

>>16833469
yes anon,any and all editions

there are some anons that refuse to play certain editions,so you'd have kaiden on 1st mix all the way to Sinobuz,even if you only want to play Empress charts

>>16833480
> 1st mix
>kaiden on 1st style
lol

>>16833466
I choose the bullet.

>>16833466
wheres osu

Nostalgia sim when? I have an old yamaha keyboard here and I want to use it.

does anyone know an approximate date (or even month) when the Michigan Round 1 is supposed to open?

"Fall 2017" is pretty vague

>>16833570
September 22

Did Hommarju make the best scratching song yet?

Can't wait to play Sinobuz.

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Even Friends play IIDX!

>>16833578
o shit

what is the source of this information

>>16833582
I just autistically pretend to play the song with the help of Youtube.

>>16833617
first day of fall is sep 22

>>16833466

people who only play one game are chumps. also you didn't include pop'n music in your list what is wrong with you

>>16833826
agree heavily with both of these points

>>16833675
I do this with every rhythm game ever

glad I'm not alone

>tfw took me 4 months to clear my first 25 12s

took me 2 years to hit 8dan :')

>>16833582
Yes. All songs should be funny like this one.

Is it just me or are stairs fucking difficult in Pop'n? Anybody have any advice for how to not suck at them? Is it just practice?

>>16833564

you could use a keyboardmania sim nostalgia doesn't really simulate each key from what I've seen it's like chunithm where you just hit your hand in the general area

Any rhythm games in the Portland area? Going to be moving there in a few months.

>>16833826

yea I wouldve chosen lapistoria myself

>tfw would probably be 10th Dan by now if I could keep my controllers together

Is it worth buying a kiosk for a Bemani game? There's no arcades where I live and I'm tempted to just go big.

>>16833466

I already do this with IIDX
why even bother playing anything else, that's just time that you could be spending playing iidx

>tfw IIDX is gone from my local arcade

>>16835106
ground kontrol has a pretty good ddr extreme iirc

>>16835183
>kiosk

you mean cab?

and for dance games, absolutely. for touchscreen games too, and shit like jubeat or danevo, its the best way to experience them. but for iidx or popn, etc. button games, you can just buy an asc and wall mount a tv and have much more money left over afterwards.

>>16835185

I just do what I feel like doing. Sometimes IIDX is fun. Sometimes I'd rather spend my time playing a different game. I'd definitely be better if I just concentrated on one game, but grinding skills isn't necessarily the same thing as having a good time. I'm not always motivated to be better, but I am always motivated to be having a good time.

what are the heaviest scratch songs

>>16835340

Central Station if you're really a masochist.

>>16835346
t. sowsuser fattoxthegreat, the angriest autist to ever live

>>16835346

Nigga you passed it in the same thread, it's rated correctly, just let it go

>>16835346
TBPH senpai, I've seen worse scratch songs. Though I play LR2 with lots of BMS stuff so it's not only IIDX stuff that I have.

>>16835397

I'm just meming at this point, friend.

>>16835402

Okay friend.

I worry about you anon, please don't break your controller this week

Struggling with a breaking a wall in IIDX. I think it might be my hand placement, should I keep pushing with it or should I switch to 1048? I currently have my hand set up like this.

Player 1 Side
1:Ring finger 2:Middle Finger 3:Left Thumb 4:Right Index 5:Right Thumb 6:Middle 7:Pinky

Out of curiosity how bad is Osu! compared to every other rhythm game? Does it have something to do with the timing?

>>16835606
Looks awkward

Learn 1048 ahyways. Knowijg several techniques and positions always helps. Your hand pretty much needs 5o move around at high level. Having static hands limits you

>Use Vega as lane cover
>WN is pretty low so all I see is his dick

Damn...

>>16835606
Your left hand is at a rather unconventional placement.

I'd recommend switching to a (321) on (123) or just 1048, which is (132) on keys (123)

>>16835606

don't listen to these clowns, your hand placement seems fine, what wall is it? You might have to just keep working at it

1048 is for bms fags and wrist scratchers

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playing after a long break is so fun

>>16836527
t. clawfag
his technique is fine though, I agree

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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=62322236

>Ex Score only 1 point above best

So this.... is what they call.... diminishing returns....

>>16835917
-timing is variable and bad
-the base gamemode scoring is fucking retarded with 100% emphasis on conbo and none on timing
-the only game actually designed to give you rsi
-only 1 channel (think like how many buttons you can press), so the gameplay soon becomes something where every map is 16th or 8th jumps actoss the screen
-every gamemode is a ripoff off other games
Also the community is cancer, but that isn't strictly the fault of the game.

>Statistik updated

Finally!

Tip of my finger is getting sore from scratching.

>>16836897
within a few weeks it'll build a callus and you'll be fine

>>16836527
I'm trying to break into the 10 wall right now. I've cleared a good few of 10s but just wanted to make sure it wouldn't start problems in the future.

>>16836917
You will have problems regardless since the game starts getting brutal at 11 and it never stops from there.

>>16836677
>AA+0

>>16836855
People still need to actually start posting on it again for the update to be remotely meaningful.
There's also some missing charts, but I think they were missing even before the update.

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>>16836908
i have p soft hands andno callus

>>16837718
why are breakcore and speed rave in the 4th one again

Dao should ship from the US storehouse for other countries in the americas.

But no, gotta charge a fortune for shipping instead.
I really want a pop'n ASC to have a side game to rest from IIDX.

>>16836537
The first few days will definitely make you want to kys.

t. someone who has derusted many times

>>16837732
because even if theyre legit genres with simple names they're patrician by being hella good

>>16837976
Send it to a mail forwarding service

>>16836917

Keep at it, try practicing moving your right thumb to cover 3 when you can, it helps for left side heavy scratch patterns

>have pretty much all lvl 10's cleared
>try a few 11's
>all those dense bullshit + scratches
>fail at every attempt

I thought the 10th wall was impossible...

>>16839757
i have cleared like seven 11s and i cant even consistently clear those same ones on subsequent plays

they're just like 10s with gay ass bullshit ass endings

>>16839757
>>16839766
Twelve 11 clears veteran here.

Heh.... you will get there eventually, kids.... just keep practicing.

>>16835606

your setup is great for songs with even amounts of scratching and notes. playing 1048 won't magically make you good and it will take alot of time to be as good at 1048 as you are now anyway. it'll only really help on super dense songs with few scratches. it's good to know how to do it so you can have multiple playstyles available to you but it's not like, the one true playstyle people make it out to be.

who is best bemani girl and why is it TRAN?

>>16839757

Wait till you hit the 11.5 wall. Then the 11.8 wall.

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>>16840199
>iidx has walls on walls

>>16840228
Starting at around 9 every single difficulty is a wall in itself and each contains multiple walls within. It only gets worse as you go higher.

Difficulty ranges in IIDX are roughly exponential and probably best described by the function 1.5^(level).

>>16840228
It gets even worse at 12s.

post your green number

300 for me

>>16840306
420 smoke weed da da da da da

>>16840306
360/360 sudden+ no lift

>>16840306
285/265sudden+

>>16840306

I haven't played in so long I don't think I even remember.

I think I got to around 285/120 Sudden+

how does one get internet rankings for empress cs

>>16840306
271/190 white

>>16840306
250 white 380 green

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Is USAO's next album going to be good or will it be another collaboration with aran

>>16840228
There's more

t. stuck on babby 12s.

>>16840306
265gn 300wn
Gotta go fast

>>16835917

Something to do with difficulty, physical health and eventual depression

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>tfw the router shat itself

>>16840306
330.

Sometimes I drop it to 320. Sometimes I raise it to 332

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEE (*juggles beats*) EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16841112

Who would ever imagine always on DRM would be a problem with nips who can't into technology.

What is omnimix anyway? I've never been able to find info on it and I don't feel like downloading it

>>16841785

Every song that has been removed throughout the years re-added and console exclusive songs and chats i.e. Black Another added as well.

>>16841806
o alright thanks

After seeing this chart I want to smash the shit out of those hamburgers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcdc1s2J-k

>>16842131

Holy shit that looks fun as fuck.

What is the worst BEMANI song? Worst IIDX song?

>>16842131
Is ghat character named Senshiiiiiii?

Kek

>>16842287
>denpa metal
>denpa metal

>>16841112
damn those gfdm white cabs are so clean

its a shame the game sucks

>>16842287

I Really Want To Hurt You
Jam Jam Reggae

>>16842720
>its a shame the game sucks

>t. angry drum scrub

>>16842857
yeah i'm a scrub i guess lol

can't read shit with like 10 unique lanes and the timing windows are too tight

and on gf, the core game mechanics don't feel like guitar hero/rock band which i had the chance to play way before ever encountering a gf/dm cab, like just the way you're supposed to hold fret buttons, so i cant play that

inb4
>ur bad at music games
i can play popn 39s and iidx 11s and ddr 18s
>ur a newfag
i started playing ddr in 2001

>>16842865
>IIDX 11s
>Impressive

lol?

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>>16842876
you're delusional, iidx 11s are harder than 99% of all videogames

>>16842865

Yeah, GF is still and has always been a fucking disaster. Guitar Hero/Rock Band far more faithfully emulates guitar playing, as little as that is.

>>16842917

yeah as casual as it is at least i can have fun playing guitar hero, can't really say the same for guitar freaks

>>16842440
He's related to Yushaaaaa in some way.

>Add rival
>We're about the same but he has the edge.
>Literally 20-50 expoints above me on most songs
>Can't surpass him except on a few songs

I didn't ask for this.

>>16839766
IMO 11s feel like a legit jump in difficulty

Hard 10s are the ones with the bullshit endings.

>>16843318
honestly not really

with how manysongs are in iidx the difficulty curve is really smooth

theres always a song out there that slightly pushes youbut is managable, the only gap not really covered is between mei and mendes black

>>16842876
ROFL !!

Reminder that 11s are impressive and 12s are literally impossible.

>>16843860
i would go as far as to say that iidx 10s and up are impressive and genuinely difficult. there's a significant difference between 10s and 9s that tends to weed out more casual/lower skilled players.

>>16843873
This. Let's pat ourselves in the back a bit more.

Hate this mentality of "If you're not on the top 0,1% you're shit at the game" we have.

Reminder that 26% of players who have cleared a dan course are 10th dan or higher and that there are over 5000 kaidens.

>>16843918
Those numbers are meaningless if there are no more data to compare to.

5000 kaidens out of how many players total? And how many of those are AAA kaidens and "fijished it with gauge at 2%" kaidens?

>>16843918

>people who do autistic thing take it to autistic lengths and become autistically good at it

I'm shocked.

>>16844185
>effort and practice=autism

Stop being lazy.

>>16844337
b-but dude having fun is autism

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mfw I play iidx casually and barely clear 11s with a b

Happy Sky rerelease when?

That's when shit got epik.

>>16843895
>>16843873
you guys are babies

iidx really isnt superbly hard, it just seems like it to an outsider. its just the fact that your time in iidx translates so much better to ingame results compared to other games like mobas or shooters

iidx is hard yeah, bit it's hard to feel great when you know the game isnt much about thought and more about building up your subconcious on how to deal with the patterns in the game

>>16844439
it takes anywhere from several months to a few years of dedicated, regular practice to get good enough at iidx to play 10s. that makes it difficult. you're dealing with upwards of 1,000 precise inputs in a span of ~120 seconds.

IIDX for ps4 when?

>>16844462
>infinitas console version
>reasonably priced dlc songs
>better unlock system
>custom ui skins available, either for cash or in-game points
>wired usb konami asc and kocs for ps4 use

we can dream

>>16844337

I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that a good number of Kaidens grind those songs ad nausium then never play them again once they succeed. Especially Mei.

>>16844495
I don't know why they released it on PC i the first place instead of a console? Is it because they wouldn't need to port considering the whole thing is PC data already?

>>16844521
I mean I'm pretty sure more people have a PC than a console

>>16844521
yeah you got it

they would have to port the ldj iidx engine to make it run on ps4

its a native windows application

That feel when my hand-eye coordination is so bad that I can only play Groove Coaster

>>16844917
ddr?

>>16843895

>clear some mid tier 11s
>pass eight dan
>think i'll consider myself good
>just think about 12s

I just assume for a lot of players it's hard to put your skill into perspective
You don't think about how much you've progressed, just that next clear lamp you want


also why does 4chan think my post is spam whenever i'm talking about dan rankings

>>16842287

bemani in general?

no fucking contest:

https://youtu.be/TQO9UHVriO0

made the transition from hyper 6s to light/hyper 7s. making progress, slow, expensive progress.

also Round1 put the bright maximum tune cabs facing the iidx cabs so now theres bad glare on both iidx cabs.

>>16845114
this song isn't bad you're fucking tasteless

help me anons, i wanna play ddr but im too intimidated because i always see really good players on the machine and ive literally never played ddr in my life

>>16844917

is that even a good game? idk why but I never play it. I should try it, I suppose.

>>16845058

it thinks you're posting about the site hotwheels runs

>>16845114
>>16845131
song is good just the vocals are fucking abysmal

>>16845272
the rap vocals are fine. its literally just the "let them move" sample. hating that song is a fucking meme, i could walk up to a sdvx cab and find 50 songs that are much worse in about a minute

>>16844450
im starting to clear easy 12s and ive played 6 months and only play a few hours a week

>>16845156
Just play. Nobody will care. DDR is pretty popular with casuals so you won't stand out. Go with a friend if it's that much of a problem to you.

>>16845156
stop being a beta bitch and just play

>>16845156
there's an autist at my r1 that literally shows up in workout gear, does stretches, and plays the same three songs on basic/difficult every set. you have nothing to worry about.

>>16845123

grapevine r1?

>>16845333
wait what LMAO
also nice trips
ill play when i go this saturday i guess, should i bring anything beforehand thats useful/important?

>>16845401
water bottle, towel(s), windex

wiping the pads down with windex makes them feel better to play on

towels are also for your sweat, especially on your face, and for putting on the bar to cushion/increase grip/remove the possibility of the bar becoming sweaty and hard to hold mid-song

>>16845374
Puente Hills Mall.

The racing game machines are like flood lights

IIDX/Beatmania in general needs to die.

It is FAR from the deepest or most challenging rhythm game out there.

It's reputation and existence is only maintained by bemani-tards who can't let go of nostalgia and bad ideas.

It doesn't mimic an actual instrument or dance. Hell, Sound Voltex does a better job of emulating a "DJ booth" these days.
Its all memorization, no skill. The gameplay isn't really challenging in any meaningful ways. There are no techniques, no gimmicks, no gradual rise in abilities overall, It's "Run at this wall and jump. Keep jumping until you get over it. Repeat." You'll have 9th Dans failing 8's, saying "Oh, well, nobody plays that song competitively, so I wasn't familiar with it." and can't even tell you why they're not good at that song, besides, basically, that they don't have it memorized.
The music selection is dated, and caters to the nostalgic and weeb.
Konami has still, yet, to introduce anything meaningful to the game with Shinobuz. It's been a stagnant series since Empress, basically.
When your "community" has to make jokes about "haha, power stance" because the manufacturer still refuses to acknowledge that there are groups outside of Japan who enjoy the game, it's time to realize that they don't care about you anymore, and you shouldn't care about them either.

>>16845620
>it's time to realize that they don't care about you anymore
They never cared about gaijin pig. Bye.

>>16845620
>It is FAR from the deepest or most challenging rhythm game out there.

DO pray tell, what IS the hardest Mr. Answers?

>>16845156
One of the keys to git gud is thick skin. Just go and play.

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>>16841112
>big holiday period coming up
>new router won't show up until after it's over

JUST

>>16845620
Looks like someone is shit at IIDX.

These people are wrong
>>16835606
>>16836456
>>16836527
>>16839932
What you are doing is claw and it's not efficient, you wont get past easy 11s and you wont even get good scores.

>>16845813
I love DRM!

>>16846006
I'm 91% Kaiden and can AAA most 12s, and I use claw. People should absolutely have other styles in their arsenal, since I'm aware of several limitations due to my play style, but you can definitely get past easy 11s.

Does someone know under what license/how is the copyright behind bms of fighter or groundbreaking songs ?
Everything in their site is in jp and it doesn't seems to be precised anywhere

>Purposely searching for songs my main rival played like shit so I can raise the W/L ratio

Is that autistic?

sdvx. lets say i bought a card, played the game, fucked up and put on a dumb name.
can i delete my sdvx game data on that card? or i really need to use PASELI to change my in game name?

>>16847053
The only way to delete game data off a card is to buy a new one and transfer your data to the new card, which will also transfer any other data you have on it.
You can change your name, but you need a subscription to do that.

>>16847190
fuck that sucks.
subscription method? like monthly? what if i subscribe only to change my name, remove it, and never pay again? would i still be forced to pay?

>>16847263
Monthly subscription for ¥342 a month. I believe you can just get one month of it, but you need to pay in Paseli, and if you're not in Japan you have to buy Paseli with Bitcash prepaid cards.
If you play on arcade machines a lot, it might just be worth it to get the subscription permanently since there's a bunch of features you can only use with one.

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>>16847322
>subscription permanently
permanently meaning.. i have to pay monthly? or there's like a one big payment i can pay to have it permantly?

thanks for the help f a m

>>16847479
Subscribing monthly I mean.

>>16847573
thank you anon

>>16847479

well you're going to have to buy a bitcash card (you're not in Japan right?) and that will buy you way more paseli than you need anyway even if you only get it for $20 so you're going to have paseli left over to cover more than just one month anyway no matter what. the monthly thing is mostly because people in Japan will just put down their CC rather than buy prepaid cards like us outside of Japan have to

>>16847778
You can also use Paseli to pay for credits for games, can't you? He could use it that way too, couldn't he?

>>16845620
Where do I even start with you, anon.

>It doesn't mimic an actual instrument or dance
It has to? It's a game, it can take whatever form it wishes.

>Its all memorization, no skill
All rhythm games benefit from memorization, not just IIDX; no, sight reading is actually a more prominent and important skill to have for IIDX. Unless the chart is randomized/generated, and randomized/generated charts are usually shit and noone wants to play them.

>The gameplay isn't really challenging in any meaningful ways
What's challenge to you? If you're talking about accuracy and density, IIDX objectively has plenty of it. So is challenge based on gimmicks, then? Something that is almost entirely based on memorization, something you've been attacking from the start?

>There are no techniques
Go take a look how many different hand styles there are for IIDX. Being able to do a variety of types of scratching requires good technique. You demonstrate your lack of IIDX experience by not knowing this.

>no gimmicks
Excessive gimmicks are bad. They're artificial difficulty and mostly based on memorization. Literally the "run at this wall and jump" part that you're going on about. Sometimes gimmicks are fine--such as DDR boss songs. But in those cases, the player knows what they're getting themselves into. Inserting them randomly into random songs is bad.

>no gradual rise in abilities overall
Again, what defines difficulty. IIDX has notes like every rhythm game. As things get denser, players will struggle more to read them and as a result of that struggle and practice they improve. Hence gradual improvement?

>You'll have 9th Dans failing 8's
Utterly baseless and untrue. If people are actually failing those songs it's because they're doing something they're not very good at, or they can't sightread it, at which case they're simply too bad at the game to do it normally and are trying to brute force it.

>The music selection is dated, and caters to the nostalgic and weeb
More baseless slander. Most of the songs are pretty good nowadays. If you don't like them, then that's just, like, your opinion, man. As far as the weeb shit goes, you have it here and there. But IIDX has a shadow of it compared to other Bemani games.

As for the last part, Konami is pretty much a somewhat stagnant company that doesn't care about foreigners, yes. But that's their prerogative.

>>16847988
You can only pay with Paseli in Japan. Round 1s machines have it disabled even though technically they're Japanese machines.

anyone order switches and buttons from rakuten before?
I'm wondering how long it takes for the sanwa store to charge you for shipping and send the shit, or if i have to actually go somewhere and confirm it

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>>16847988

Well said, but really, all you needed to post was:
>It's a game, [...]

People take these games to an extreme level, because we have a desire as humans to get as good at something as we can, but at the end of the day, you can have as much fun playing 6s as you can 12s. Its all about the mindset. Its just a game, its meant to be fun. If you take it too far, thats on you --
and if you're getting as upset as the dude you quoted was, yea, you've taken it to far.

>>16848198
I'm not upset. I have the same mentality you do about rhythm games. I just don't like seeing people talking shit about something when it's obvious they don't know anything about it and are just talking out of their ass. Rhythm game communities have a regular habit of getting posters of this caliber and it's toxic to their communities, so I get the urge to correct someone whenever they post dumb shit like that.

>>16848071
Don't have to do anything special. Took me about a week to arrive after placing the order I think (bought Sanwa springs).
Although they don't include shipping in the price so you'll have to figure it out with the shipping chart or ask them.

>>16848275
I feel you but you don't gotta respond to obvious bait, your time is worth more than that

IIDX is a great game and I have a lot of fun playing it!

>>16848686
Same here, anon!

>>16848686
i agree!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

FINALLY NORMAL CLDCLEARED MEMECLE 5YMPHO X ANOTHER,!!!!K

Who's the casual now motherfuckers???

>>16849139
The only casual filter left for me is the safari.

That one is a bitch though. I can only stay on 80% untio the end then it's all downhill

>>16849139
I somehow cleared that and aa spa (as with a fucking a ?????) but I can't for the life of me pass them again

>>16847053
If it's like IIDX, you can change your name as soon as the next version comes out, so you just have to deal with it for a year or so.
Otherwise you need the subscription, as already mentioned.

>>16844920
With DDR, I always lose track of my feet and trip myself.

>>16845175
It's my favorite in the arcade, personally, but it's a different experience from other games.

First of all, it is more aesthetically divergent than other games, with each song having a custom "coaster" and 3d imagery. This also means that you often have a very short period before you see the next beat, as your avatar might literally make a turn on the coaster in 3d space. I also think it has the best visuals by far, though.

Second, you have two buttons. That's it. You tap them for a beat, hold for a hold, and move them for a directional beat. This means that messing up once makes it very easy to fail a chain of beats, since the "rest" period of each button seems to be longer than the time between each press for harder tracks.

It's a strange mix, but I love it.

The mobile version is the best rhythm game for mobile IMHO, and it's songs are fully-featured counterparts of Groove Coaster 2 (arcades are now on 3). It's still an inferior experience, though.

>>16850172
>not coordinated enough to play ddr, museca, pjd, etc

how do you even live?

>>16850182
Your question is pretty valid.

My hand writing is so poor that I have to use graph paper for proper spacing.
When soldering, I often have to use an instrument to hold the materials in place, rather than using my hands.
My Chinese characters are more legible than my kana or alphabet letters since I have trouble drawing curves.
It takes me longer to use Swype than a normal cell phone keyboard interface.
My typing style on a manual keyboard involves three fingers on my right hand and one on my left. My left index finger often reaches the "U" key.
The only sport I could perform well in was the 2 mile in track. I spent four years playing football/soccer and never made a goal in a game.
When I used to swim, I often got caught on myself unless I used a one piece suit, and swam headfirst into the pool walls more than once.
I have gotten my legs caught in the chains of my bike more than once.
I frequently clip walls with my shoulder when walking down a hallway.
I put a few thousand hours into TF2 and still had trouble aiming the medigun.

To play Groove Coaster, I have to use my whole hand. Therefore my arms are sore for days after playing, even with consistent use.

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>>16849403
The Safari, killing your 7dan dreams since 2002.

>>16851070
>Play copula dan course like shit, pretty rusted
>Reach Safari with less than 20%
>Actually beat it with 2% left

Damn was that intense. Actually normal clearing the song is whole another beast though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ooTyTmxpc

So is DDR just dead now? I thought A was supposed to signify the rebirth of the series? Where the fuck is the new content?

does anyone have that one DJHACKERS tricoro torrent which was hosted on torrentkitty a while back?

>>16851070
i feel like i'm in the minority that didn't really have much of an issue with the safari
gigadelic fucks me up harder than TSP however, adjacent rolls are incomprehensible to me

>>16851503
Is it the same stuff that was on BCG before it was kill?

>>16851645
i don't remember, but i found the torrent, trackers are down tho

>>16851513
I remembered trying 9dan and passing it on a whim. Bullshitted my way through the end and finished with 12% IIRC.

I might be blind but is there a way to set a preferred BPM in pop'n instead of the multiplier? I was using that in SDVX but I don't know if pop'n has that.

>>16852727

Nope.

One day...

>>16852727
no, pop'n is years behind other bemani in terms of features

>>16853202
Only its sorting options is cool.

>>16851503

i used to play on that tricoro leak with ealocal server and no hex edits before getting into sows, good times

Having some trouble with keyboard stepmania. Pardon me for not knowing the proper terms and lingo. My question is how do I get better at hitting jumps in the middle of fast lines of other notes. (Jumpstream?)

I'm at this point where most hard pad songs are too easy but damn near every keyboard song is impossible to get through. I usually just turn off jumps, but then the songs end up being too easy and unsatisfying to play.

Sorry if I sound like an idiot.

>>16848563
This is how I look at it. I can debunk his post, even if it's responding to bait, and it keeps the community in good condition because anyone who's been keeping up on posts will be able to tell he's full of it, if they weren't already.

Were I to refrain from doing so, someone less knowledgable and/or more emotionally charged to respond may be tempted to do so, which is a road that typically sparks more drama. Since I'm generally in a position to be able to do so without causing more problems, it helps those new and/or unstable enough to take him seriously to understand that he's pretty much full of it by flouting the copious flaws in their posts.

>>16849449
I know how you feel. I AA'ed Sound of Gjallarhorn a while back and I can't for the life of me get past an A since then. I must have been really on the ball and I haven't been able to get it back since.

>>16853514
Play keyboard songs. It sounds like, by now, you're used to streaming but you're not very good at jumps/hands/quads yet because you haven't done them very much. Get some keyboard packs, find a good level of difficulty within the packs and practice away. Low level keyboard packs are likely to contain a lot more jumps/hands/quads while high level pads are often prone to streaming.


Try this for getting some packs:
http://stepmaniaonline.net/index.php?page=downloads

>>16853635
Thanks, I'll keep looking for more kb songs to practice on.

On a seperate note, do you or anyone else here have a recommendation on a controller for stepmania? I don't trust myself not to break my expensive keyboard and the keys I use for stepmania feel a little off compared to the rest already.
I guess I do have an arcade stick for street fighter which might do the job, but I don't know how comfortable it would be to have both hands on one side of the stick.

>>16853667
>controller for stepmania
lmao

just buy a sdvx/iidx/popn asc and play a real game

>>16853675
I know for a fact that I can't handle more than 4 buttons. My brain just doesn't process it.

>>16853677
i was like you, about 2 years ago

about 1 year ago i started playing iidx and now i can clear 11s

>>16853514
>>16853667

it can be kind of difficult to get into playing keyboard charts if you have no idea where to start, so for some easy-ish keyboard packs, i'd suggest:

Stepping Stones 1-3 (the easiest end of keyboard charts)
Dark Chancellors
ODIpack 1-3
Community Keyboard Megapack 1-4 (really old but a good starting point)
FFR Community Packs
Otaku's Dream packs in general. anime mixes 5-9 are alright, keyboard mixes 1-2 are pretty good. you'll see the keyboard mixes labeled as "otaku's dream mix X" on stepmaniaonline.

all of these can be found on the page >>16853635 linked. if you're looking to get good at jumpstream, being able to play the Nuclear Blast JS packs would be a good goal to set.

as far as a controller goes, no one really uses a dedicated controller for stepmania. my only suggestion if you're that worried about breaking your keyboard is to just use a different keyboard you don't care much about or buy a cheap one.

>>16853667
If you're playing with a keyboard? Honestly just do that. Get a mechanical sooner or later when you get good enough for it to matter. Seriously, a controller is only going to hold you back. Don't use one.

Also, if you aren't doing it already, use spread: 2 fingers on each hand, index and middle, spread out over the keyboard. Ex: as kl

>>16853621

nigga it was literally copy pasted from a thread on fucking /v/
>>>/v/373492161

>>16854058
crossboarders please go

>>16836712
I'm interested to see Osu! players try out other games.

>>16855047
Like osu!mania and osu! taiko?

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Learning kshoot. And then I come across all the songs I want to play in sdvx that are 15+ or 12 and below.

>>16855056
yeah sdvx is like that

all the good songs are too easy on adv and too hard on exh and you're left with vocaloid shit

>>16855053
No I mean the original version of the games Osu! copies.

>>16855056
you progress to 15s in a week so it's not a problem

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>>16855056
I've never understood this thing where people apparently only enjoy charts within a very small difficulty range. Unless you already have a literally perfect score, there is still plenty of work to be done on easier things. Take it as an opportunity to work on timing and solidify technique. On the final stage, play something hard that you've wanted to play since there is no risk of losing your credit.

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>>16855238

>work on timing
>sdvx

>>16855047
O!M got me started with rhythm games, and eventually I ended up downloading LR2, to see if it would make me a better player.
Ended up getting hooked on it, bought a controller and never looked back.
Getting used to a proper rhythm game after playing O!M is tough though. The very forgiving timing teaches you to spam. If you can clear 7s in LR2, you can probably clear the equivalent of 10s or 11s in O!M just by spamming as hard as you can whenever the chart gets too dense for you to keep up.

>>16855238
>kshoot
>final stage
?????

>>16855073
elite beat agents was the reason I got into osu! in the first place

never played oendan though

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>>16846617
pls respond

>>16853736
I have two mechanical keyboards. One with cherry blues and one with browns.
Primarily use the one with brown switches for games though. It just feels like my QWOP and my asl; keys are feeling looser than usual. (I switch between both for some reason)

I'm worried that one of the switches is going to break or something and I dont have the slightest clue if thats repairable or not

>>16856580
I'm assuming they're owned by their creators individually as bof is just an event where everyone submits their songs and bms

>>16855238
>solidifying technique

everything below 13 in sdvx is a tutorial mode that you should be done with in ~10 songs worth of gameplay

>timing

sdvx doesnt have timing windows

now, in iidx, you're right. low level iidx songs can still be fun to play (i clear 11s and i still enjoy playing some 6s and 7s occasionally)

>>16856741
people spend years mashing the same two keys in osu! and I've never heard of anything breaking

it's not difficult to replace a switch either

>>16853696
>>16853635
Found a nice vocaloid song in one of the packs that has everything I'm currently struggling with but at a nice, slow pace. And its really long so I have multiple attempts at patterns without having to restart. Seems like a good one to practice on. Thanks guys

How in the fuck are you supposed to play Guitar Freaks? You can't switch frets and strum at the same time because if you strum .01 seconds before the fret changes you just miss the note. Are you really just supposed to switch frets immediately after the previous note? That feels so fucking awkward.

As much as I hate to say it, Guitar Hero did it better.

Wondering whether to go to R1 next weekend since it will be crowded from spring break. Nobody plays 2dx so I can probably play that as much as I feel like, but SDVX might have a wait.

>>16853621
You're part of the problem. Not realizing defending or debunking is equally as toxic. It doesn't hold the community together because hey look, osu! exists. It doesn't matter what you do or how you do it. It's all the same. Mostly I don't disagree with what you said but acting like some rhythm game savior and defender was just sad. You replaced one asshole with yourself. What a win for the community. Community what doesn't want to be one to begin with. Why do you think there are so many inactive users across all these sites. All they're doing is trying to gather information, get games or into secret clubs and once they have it all if everything works you won't see or hear from them again for years or ever.
Look around. Go to your club, look how many members there are and then those who're active. With recent changes it's easy to see how many crawl out of the shadows to beg and back they go. There's active minority around most of these so called communities. Many who've met irl in some way. That's all, that's your community what needs defending from all the toxic shit 99% of the lurkers will never see or care about.
This has been going on for more than ten years and it has never grown out of its infancy and never will. You can't go public. Can't share anything or do anything to build a proper public facing community. Don't act as if there's some massive underground party going on. There isn't and don't treat people like idiots. Everyone was new to this once and what, they desperately needed all this debunking to ensure they aren't being played? They're also such morons they can't look into other sources, figure out how to scroll down, hit that update button or wait for other opinions or, better still type to ask questions themselves, get a lot of dumb responses and a few useful ones.
As if this isn't enough. We have new stupid groups popping up at every corner. One more toxic than the other. Segregating what's left even more with idiotic promises and attitude. Inevitably causing even more restrictions. gg

>>16859295

what

>>16859295

Totally agree, this asshole thought he was being some hero of rhythm games, "properly" correcting all that 'terrible misinformation' when in reality he was just perpetuating his smug elitism about iidx

When you have people that respond that way to the most obvious bait it's not surprising at all the state the community is in

not reading​ all that -_-

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>1 week into owning an svse5
>on newscale 15's already

>laser songs still impossible though

>>16859759
Good choice, because they didn't really say anything.

From the bottom of my heart, I sacrificed my time for you, if that's not solidarity in this community I don't know what is.

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What do you do when you've attempted a dan course so many times that it now just auto-tilts you and you miss a million notes even in the easy opening songs

>>16860069

Only reason I'm a 9th Dan is because they got rid of Holic. Some plays I would fail right there on the first song depending on how I did on those garbage nonsensical dumps right there at the end.

I hate life. I'll never be good at the game.

>come back after 2 months of not playing
>suddenly scroll speed looks way too slow and I have to reduce GN by 30
>accuracy suddenly gets way better on easy songs
>but I can barely clear charts 2 whole levels below what I was doing

I'm confused

>>16843918
>there are over 5000 kaidens

Oh whoops I recently tried to compare being kaiden to being challenger in league of legends but I guess I was a little wrong

>>16845401
bring the knowledge to not bring your feet back to the center of the pad after each note

ddr cabs need to have a fucking sign that says that

>>16860097

I know I'm biased as fuck and haven't been a noob DDR player in like 15 years, but I cannot possibly imagine the logic behind doing that.
I mean, most people have at least seen someone halfway good at the game, right?
Surely they can see that they aren't doing that and put 2 and 2 together to surmise that they shouldn't be doing it either.

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>>16855238
sometimes there are legitimate complaints about difficulty gaps though

>3
>10

>>16860109
I don't imagine most first-time DDR players have ever looked at or cared about good players' technique at all

also, an important thing to note is that the tutorial literally depicts standing in the center the whole time, so there's that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRa0n1MBqGY

>>16860111

No worse than a gap that's a 7 or 8 on Hyper and a 12 on Another. Just a "fuck you" to everyone involved. Especially if you really really like that song.

"Sorry, little Timmy, you're going to have to play on 'trivially easy' until you can play on 'soul crushingly impossible'"

>>16860119
>can't have fun playing 8s

look at captain autism over here

>>16860119
yeah it's pretty lame

I wouldn't say 8s are trivially easy (even good players can be challenged with something like an 8 on SRAN) but there are a lot of great songs with gaps like 5 - 10 or 6 - 11 and it makes me mad

>>16860131

You wanna hear the autistic part? I like having my favorite songs be a challenge, but not out of reach entirely. I like to imagine I'm playing "for the song" and if I fail the song, the song itself dies, like a buddy I'm trying to carry out of 'Nam.

The thrill of the thought of "God dammit, please, I gotta do this for [song name]. We're going to live!" nearing the end of the song and while balancing right on the edge of passing and failing is such a large part of the fun of the game for me.

There would be no thrill if it were a 13.2 or something. Maybe a 12.1 but even still there's a 98% chance I'd fail.

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>>16860155
uh

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>>16860155

>>16860155
wew

well at least I'm not the most autistic person in the rhythm game community

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>>16860155

>>16860169
>>16860167
>>16860156
>>16860165

Oh, c'mon. A deep, emotional connection to music isn't THAT autistic. And it hurts more to fail your favorite songs, does it not? So the opposite must be true as well.

>>16860195
Don't worry anon
I liked your story

>>16860113
They finally changed the tutorial in A, it explicitly tells you to not go back to the center now.
Every time I see someone watch the tutorial, they proceed to do it anyway.

I've been playing iidx for 3 months now, and I've recently been grinding the shit out of my favorite songs to AA them. I can actually get the AA for most of the 7s and a couple 8s, but only after playing the same song for an hour or so. It's impossible for me to get anything better then an A on 9s. Should I give up on improving my shit timing, and just go get better at harder 9s and break into 10s?

>>16861988
I've been playing for 1.5 years and I still can't A 9s or even pass the majority of them

brb killing myself

>>16861988
>>16862042
Having godly timing is a genetic thing.
Be satisfied with getting As on your current difficult level.

Anything above that you gotta win the genetic lottery.

>>16861988

You'll naturally do better on songs once you progress more.
Maybe work on some easy 10s and break into those harder charts, after playing those and going back to 8s they'll be easier

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>>16860155
>God dammit, please, I gotta do this for [song name]. We're going to live!

holy fuck

>>16862083
lol?

>>16861988

where you're at now is fine and you won't be able to do much better until your skills in general improve, so yes, focusing on clearing new stuff right now is your best bet. once your skills have improved and you're comfortable clearing stuff you can't clear now, go back to trying to get high scores and you'll find you've advanced in that regard as well.

>>16860195
I do the same thing except less with imagination and more feeling the music I'm playing. Especially for things like Touhou music where I have a good grasp of the characters and story. I feel like I'm fighting them, or that I'm them fighting the protagonist, it gets a bit muddled at times since it's mostly emotional-based, broad, non-specific type of understanding, if anyone gets what I mean. Almost like the music is causing me to emulate the character or something.

It's certainly an interesting thing to do. The different emotional states it tends to invoke can sometimes have positive effects on my gameplay, giving me motivation or increasing my concentration; things of that nature.

Touhou is hardly the only thing I do it with, though. Really any song that feels like it has a theme to it, and especially ones with emotional undertones, I have a tendency to do it with. It's a fun way to play and is a great way to appreciate the music. There's a lot of beauty behind music if you grasp it this way.

In the whole history of man, all the people of Earth are truly one.

>rest for a day
>Accuracy plummeted

Wow, suck my chode, Konami. This game is like a clingy girlfriend.

>>16863049
>dont play ddr for a week
>scores jump from 950k to 985k on the same songs

>dont play iidx for months
>scores improve slightly or stay the same

heh... nothing personnel... kid..

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>>16863049
I know how you feel. Just a few weeks away from LR2 did this to me. Feels bad man.

(note not a 7 actually an 11, for some reason it always says 7)

(do another 7's even actually exist lmao)

>>16863197
pretty sure it means 7 key

>>16863197
>do another 7's even actually exist lmao
>i have never looked at any early iidx style's song folder

also it means 7 key you dumbfuck

light7, 7keys, and another7 aka normal, hyper, another

>>16863205
>>16863214
Oh, well I guess that makes sense. wew

>>16863197
Sinobuz has a level 7 another

>>16863197
Burning heat says hi

>tfw AAA-2 that song despite 9dan

>>16861988
>playing for 3 months
>can pass 9s

welp I'm coming up on a year and I'm still stuck squarely at the 9 wall, time to kill myself

>>16864466
there is no 9 wall, seriously

unless you are only playing misrated charts like starlight dancehall [h] and DPS [a], they're the same as harder 8s

>>16864475
haha, you say that

but it took me around 3 months to get to 8s and I've spent nearly 3 times that amount of time unable to pass more than 3 9s

granted, I had to stop playing as much because of school, but wtf there is definitely a 9 wall. For one, 9s start putting chords in the middle of 16th note streams (my biggest issue rn), and having 4-note chords in chord songs, neither of which really happen much in 8s.

>>16864492
fast 16ths and big chords are purely introductory in 9s, they have light sprinklings of them. thats basically all that there is to 10s (there's like an entire genre of 10s that are just "the hyper chart but we added one or two notes to every chord" like sweet clapper, mermaid girl, light shine, dazzlin darlin)

once you learn how to read and make your hands do 3/4key chords consistently, you'll rocket through 10s.

obviously everything is anecdotal, there's no definitive/scientific basis for iidx skill, but i smoothly transitioned from 7s to 8s to 9s with a slight hiccup at 10s. i was exhcing 9s before ncing 10s

>>16860119
Just get good and play the 12 : D

>>16864505
it's not chord songs that are the problem

literally it's putting even 2-note chords in the middle of streams

like the entirety of broken [h]

I honestly cannot read that shit

>>16865336
but those chords are just 5+7. hitting 5 and 7 is barely different than hitting 5 or 7 alone, you just slap/use two fingers.

maybe your GN is too high/low if you can't read it.

also why are you confusing being bad at one thing with being bad at all 9s? its not that common. just play some other 9s. some fun ones:

angelic jelly
love shine
night sky
rave it rave it
vega
invitation from mr. c

>>16865342
no it's just the actual presence of any chords in the middle of fast streams makes me unable to read it

like my brain gets confused as to which notes are supposed to be played at the same time and which aren't

i'm using 400 WN/300 GN so that's not that slow, i dunno

I love angelic jelly but it's also really hard

>>16865397
I was that way for a long time too. You get used to it, but it'll take time. 'Til then just keep playing/grinding away.

Why does Captivate Joker have sucn a high clear rate and is called "barely an 11"? Those chords are pretty awkward to hit and there aren't many songs like it for me to practice.

I've technically cleared harder 11s according to ratings hut I can't even get to 80% on joker. Also, apparently I'm having a serious problem with quick scales and I don't know how I'm messing up. Ending of Sigmund H and IX H always kill me even if I'm flawless the entire song.

I swear I'm doing those fast sequences of 765432 34567 7654365432 right but I keep losing a lot of gauge.

>>16864475

9s are absolutely a wall and milestone.
9s are the very first difficulty level at which any pattern can be considered fair game, albeit perhaps at a slower speed.
Scales, stairsteps, butterflies, tricky off beat scratching, chords of 4+ notes in any configuration.
You can find almost everything the game has to offer in 9s. These patterns just get faster and much more dense as you go forward.

anyone else feel like they're mashing but they're mashing the right notes

>>16867388
Sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDjQgSNh1As&t=18s
does anyone here play beattube?

>>16867388
every damn day

>>16867757
looks stupid as fuck

>>16867757
This is just a bad ripoff of reflec meme

>>16867757
>shitty chink clone of the worst bemani series

uhhhhh

>>16865342

>some fun ones
>just a handful of pendual and copula 9s and love shine

i hate faggots like you

>>16869803
>>16869819
>>16869823
yeah but you can make a chart out of any youtube video ever
you could make a chart of trumps inauguration speech if u wanted to

>>16869994
That just makes it even worse, why would I want to play random garbage unkeysounded charts of random shit from youtube

>>16869979
well anon, would you rather i listed 9s from earlier styles that are rated 9 when they're really 10s, like:

quell
watch out
watch out pt.2
naughty girl
b4u remix
air raid from tha undaground
still in my heart

they're better songs, sure, but someone who believes in a "9 wall" isn't gonna have fun playing them.

>>16870043
you forgot in the sky and golden cross

>>16867757
>>16869459
I do beat my tube everyday if that's what you're asking.

9s I like
thunderbolt
era songs
angelic jelly
final countdown crybaby mix