Touhou Gameplay Thread

>>16706047
Remilia
Yukari
Mystia
Aya
Satori
Nue
Miko
Seija
Sagume

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Another day, another 1CC. UFO this time.
I never thought a single final card would make me waste so many resources.
Also, any idea how to capture Toramaru's shitty green cross card?
Currently having fun trying SA on Hard but, as I once was a few months ago when I started playing Normal, I'm stuck at stage 5. I guess this is only a matter of time before I adjust myself to the difficulty.

>>16706047
Sakuya
Yuyuko
I don't play the fighting games enough to say anything.
No idea. Perhaps Mystia.
I don't play PoFV.
Nitori.
Utsuho.
Kogasa.
I wanted to say Yuyuko again but her patterns aren't good this time to like her as a boss so no idea.
Sukuna, even though she's pretty hard.
Doremy. (but LoLK is shit)

>>16706047
Assuming we're talking about their bossfights and not about the characters as a whole: Flandre, Yukari, Keine, Eiki, Aya, Koishi, Murasa, Seiga, Seija, Junko.
Haven't played PC98 much, so the only ones I'm certain of are Konngara and PoDD Reimu.

I tried to think of my favourite boss in EoSD but I can't even think of one interesting pattern from any stage. Game is bland as hell.

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>>16706047
Remilia
Prismriver
Reisen
Hina
Satori
Nue
Seiga
Seija
Doremy

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Meiling, Youmu, Marisa, Suwako, Okuu, Byakuren, Miko, Seija, and Sagume.

Suwako's fight is so comfy, it's not even hard for the most part, but all the cards are neat and lead to fun dodging.

>>16706150
>but her patterns aren't good this time
Yuyuko has never had good patterns.

>>16706047
Recently just started playing so I could catch up with the games and have completed EoSD, PCB and IN for now and my favorite bosses are probably

Sakuya
Youmu
Mokou although it's mostly due to her theme which probably is my favorite theme in the series for now although the boss fight is still pretty fun

LLS: Yuuka (stage 6)
MS: Yumeko
EoSD: Meiling
PCB: Prismrivers or Ran
IN: Mokou
MoF: Hina
SA: Satori
UFO: Byakuren
TD: Futo
DDC: Sekibanki
LoLK: Doremy

>>16706047
Patchy
Yuyuko
Marisa
Eiki
Sanae
Utsuho
Murasa
Mamizou
Raiko
Sagume

>>16706047
Sakuya
Yuyuko
Eirin
Suwako
Utsuho
Nue
Mamizou
Raiko
Junko

Am i supposed to clear all the stages in the photoshoot games?
Or just enough to unlock the next stage?

>>16706391
You 'beat' it when you unlock the ex stage, which means clearing 66 scenes of your choice in StB. I don't recommend spending too much time attempting to clear the extra stages unless you really liked LoLK's pointdevice mode and don't mind dying hundreds of times.

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Some of the posts in this are mine. I don't get it, is this guy trying to say I'm a secondary?

>>16706501
Some of the famous WR (western record) holders that posted on /jp/ in the past proclaimed themselves as quarternaries and teritaries and such, maybe being a primary isn't even something you want to be.

>>16706599
I get that it's just par for the course 4chan elitism, but how does using patches to make my games harder and playing fangames because I can't get enough Touhou make me a secondary?

>>16706501
are you bothered by a fucking brain meme

>>16706629
Anyone using that template is absolutely taking the piss and you should stop taking it seriously (along with all of 4chan's attempts to be elitist in general), but the obvious explanation would be that playing secondary games makes you a secondary.

At this point it honestly doesn't even make less sense than half the shit people come up with to explain it, so just enjoy yourself.

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>>16706501
My post made it to the nueposting category?
Too bad its lumped together with lewdposting perverts, leave my daughter alone.

>>16706640
Far from it, I'm just curious about the rationale.

>>16706643
Makes sense I guess. Seems kind of silly, though. Maybe they are secondary games, but the appeal is the same appeal of "primary" Touhou.

>>16706214
Sylphae Horn, Megalith, Sakuya 2nd non, Killing Doll, Scarlet Meister, Scarlet Gensokyo

>>16706047
Starting from MS:
Yumeko
90FPS Flan
Yuyuko
Reimu
Shikieiki
Kanako
Utsuho
Shou
Mamizou
Haven't played DDC much
Seiran

Pls no bullying, remember the thread subject!

Cirno
Yukari
Keine
Sanae
Yuugi
Kogasa
Seiga&Yoshika
Raiko
Clownpiece

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th07/th7_udMa15.rpy
Can't deal with this fucking cage and lost way too many resources on it. Got fucking damn it.

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Next goal: Lunatic 2.7b.

>>16706047
Fight-wise or character-wise? I'll just do both.

Fight: Patchouli, Yukari, Eirin, Kanako, Koishi, Byakuren, Mamizou, Yatsuhashi, Ringo

Character: Rumia, Yuyuko, Reimu (otherwise Eirin), Sanae (my favorite character in the series), Utsuho, Nue, Futo, Wakasagihime, Junko

what is the point of covering up your name when literally everyone in here knows who you are

>>16707044
?

Sakuya
Youmu
Mokou
Eiki
Kanako
Utsuho
Nue
Miko
Kagerou
Clownpiece
From all those kanako is probably my favorite since it was one of the bossfights i suffered the most since MoF was my first game

>>16707044
covering up the real name, of course

Seeing that people are casually posting shitty /v/ templates here. I think it's finally time to leave.

>>16707209
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

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>>16707044
sup dude

>>16707044
desu idk who that ufo superplayer is

>>16707425
25oku is not yet superplay. still not much compared to the actual wrs like kg

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>>16706047
>Who's your favorite boss in each game?

Battle wise:
Flandre
Yukarin
Keine
Yuuka
Kanako
Utsuho
Nue
Miko
Sukuna
Hecatia

Character wise:
Remilia
Yuyuko
Suika
Keine
Komachi
Sanae
Utsuho
Kogasa
Yuyuko
Benben
Clowpi

>>16706227
delet

>>16707462
Superplay for this place standards then?

I finally got around to making some Marisa attempts at the later games only to find that ZUN thought it would be a good idea to add an extremely annoying sound effect to her lasers. This was after I assumed the noise was a driver issue, bug or even a hardware issue with my computer or amp. I eventually ruled those out and found out it's actually feature. It seems to play only during Marisa's Illusion Laser and affects games 12, 13, 14 and 15. For those who aren't aware of what I'm talking about, this is the sound effect: https://my.mixtape.moe/gshvvv.wav

It's particularly noticeable in LoLK because, for some reason (bug?), it will continue to play, even after you've died, during the 'restart from last checkpoint' screen in pointdevice mode. This only seems to happen if you die while unfocused. After only a couple hours of practice with Marisa, I couldn't bear it any longer. Outside of LoLK, you can't hear it most of the time unless you just started a stage or the bgm is quiet.

I made a small mod for thcrap that just completely removes the sound effect since I didn't think removing it from the game dats would be a good idea if I wanted to share it or turn it off in the future.

If anyone wants it I'll upload it because I'm not going to put it in a repo.

>>16707487
>for thcrap
why?

>>16707475
There's only one superplayer that frequently posts here and he plays IN.

>>16706213
Might add the "characters as a whole" part at this point: Sakuya, Yukari, Mokou, Eiki, Kanako, Koishi, Byakuren, Seiga, Seija, Junko. Mima for HrtP, Yumemi for PoDD.

>>16707510
You could always patch it into the .dats yourself with something like thtk, but that would be a pain in the ass and you wouldn't be able to turn it on and off as a launch option.

>>16707487
>you can't hear it most of the time
Then why are you so bothered by it?
Also, what's the point of using crap if you are not puttin it in a repo?

>>16707462
It's not superplay, but at least it got me on the memelist of good scores. I'm happy I reached my goal anyway (which was a good score), and I'm definitely going to push it higher to an even better score.

>>16707559
Like I said, there's a serious problem with the sound effect in LoLK. I'd only consider making a repo if it's actually something people want because I made it for myself originally.

>>16707564
I think that list just tells you what the borderline for calling your run a ``score'' run is

>>16707733
the list is just there for western players to feel good about their inferior runs. there seems to be quite a large fetishism in the community in regards to making it on that list. something i will never quite understand

Are there any actual strategies for Patchouli's water spell card on normal? Or is it just "keep your bomb finger ready and hope for the best"/"switch to a different character"?

Beginner here. What are some practice exercises I can do to start the day off, other than just starting up a game and flying into stray bullets on stage 1 over and over?

>>16707903
t. Normal scrub

>>16707977
He is literally the best player in this thread though.

>>16707987
but what are we gonna do if we cant even use ad hominems?!

>>16708005
post fake scores?

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>>16708007
Following the trend from last thread with IN extra, then.

>>16707903
By the way, just to clarify: Do you mean pnd's list (which the Japs also use) or do you mean the Hall of Fame or Records or whatever.

>>16707908
Which card are you talking about? Water Elf?

>>16708030
pnd's list though it can apply to both

>>16708040
Princess Undine

>>16708042
The easterners love being on that list, too. And ditto for the LNN(N) thread on Eientei. More of them care about being on either list compared to how many westerners care.

>>16708030
congrats on the wr again u talented jap

>>16707922
Practice on specific stages you have problems with instead of replaying the whole game.
Or if you're a beginner in the sense you still have trouble with earlier stages, try to not lose lives in the first two at least.

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>scarlet gensokyo
>maze of love
>genetics of the subconscious

this shit has ended so many runs god damn

>>16708030
literally the best player in the world

>>16708172
Why do so many people have problems with maze of love? I don't get it. Never had any issues capturing with both Reimu and Marisa and I fucking suck.

>>16708205
I had serious issues with it at first playing Reimu, I even considered staying at the bottom using the score strat and simply bombing if I'm about to get hit.
But once you get used to the movement it's actually fairly simple.

>>16708172
Scarlet Gensokyo isn't that bad.
Scarlet Meister, on the other hand...

>>16707487
Is there a downside to putting it up in a repo so anyone who wants it can get it? Legit curious.

>>16708257
I find meister easier

Woot. Might not sound like such a big deal to you Touhou meisters but made it up to Yuyuko on Hard mode.
And I actually went rather far into her fight. Sadly, the blue steaks of knives non-spell cost me 3 bombs due to a miscalculation and I also didn't deathbomb my last life with 2 bombs remaining.
What a waste.
That said, the fight with Youmu went much better than expected. She always used to terminate my runs.

>>16708390
Putting it up in a repo? No, there isn't, but I don't want to bother emailing thpatch admins so that it shows up in thcrap by default, unless it's a mod people would actually use.

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>>16708582
Oh well.

>>16707487
Here's the mod if somebody wants it.

https://my.mixtape.moe/wddagz.tar.gz

>>16708741
>Oh well.
Did you fail the survival? It happens. Congrats for the 1cc regardless.

>>16708762
What do you mean? This spell doesn't work like IN's last spells. You have to do it all the way. I didn't capture it, if that's what you were asking. I just wasn't expecting to do my first Hard 1CC right now.

>>16708769
Yes, I assumed you were disappointed because you hadn't managed to capture the final spell.

>>16708821
Dude, I was going for survival. I couldn't care less if I can't capture this or that card as long as I managed to grab what I initially came here for.

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>>16707908
>>16708050

>>16708868
One response, just for you!
get lucky or be japanese

>>16707908
>>16708050
>>16708868
That particular spellcard is broken.
It can randomly give you almost impossible to dodge RNG.

I'm pretty sure ZUN was drunk - more so than usual - when he was making that one.
Like >>16708908 said, you just gotta get lucky with the RNG.
Dodge the big balls and try to move as little as possible when she fires the lasers, next wave, dodge the big ones again, you want to dodge the smaller balls by moving upwards towards Patchy while still moving horizontally as little as possible and pray that the big/small balls and lasers don't overlap in a way that makes them undodgeable.

Funny thing is, the Hard version of that spellcard is pathetically easy.

>>16708908
>>16708933
Thanks. Indeed, the problem here are the big bullets that she shoots after the lasers. I get the impression that they're easier to dodge if I manage to stay right under her, but it seems mostly random. Oh well.

>>16708971
Obviously you're supposed to try and stay under her the entire time, but unfortunately sometimes the big balls will force you to move to one of the sides and if that happens it's almost impossible to get back under her.

Approximately what difficulty is EoSD Extra stage equivalent to? Hard?

>>16709146
It's less difficult than Hard, but like Extra stages in general, it has more focus on memorization and gimmicks, and so can seem more difficult from the start.

EOSD: Sakuya
PCB: Primsriver Sisters
IN: Kaguya
SA: Satori
UFO: Byakuren

Didn't enjoyed MoF for some reason, sorry.

>>16709146
>>16709196
I thought it was slightly more difficult than hard when I was a new player, mainly because of the fact that you can use planned bombs to get through every single difficult section in a hard clear. It is however, significantly less difficult than a lunatic clear.

>>16709146
It's between Normal and Hard, like the rest of the Extras. While learning the patterns and gimmicks obviously helps, EoSD's Extra in particular isn't as gimmicky as, say, IN's or MoF's.

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Got an ending for the first time.

Now to do so without continues and liberal usage of bombs

I've been wondering: on stage 3 of EoSD normal, at the part with those enemies that shoot blue kunai, is it better to stream or just kill them and collect the score items above the PoC?

why is MoF's life gain system so counter-intuitive

if you can score well to gain more lives, then you're probably already good at the game and then don't need the lives anyway, right?
like I'm practicing normal MoF trying for my 1cc and it just seems backwards as fuck, more lives are helpful for people that die alot, but you only get more lives by not dying or bombing for better score... so...

does it count if I 1cc with marisaBug?

>>16710148

Every touhou game ties gaining lives to skill in some way or another.

If the game gave you extra lives based on how bad you were doing it would incentivize playing poorly which is generally a bad idea from a game dev point of view. By tying lives to how well you perform the developer rewards you for playing earlier levels more optimally. It helps keeps them from being too dull once you get to the point where you're good enough to be getting to stage 6 consistently.

>>16710181
I think in a sense you're correct but from what I'm used to in PCB and IN, gaining lives from PoC seems alot less complex than gaining lives from scoring, I guess was my point.

>>16710237
Newsflash: PoC is scoring.

What are you even complaining about?
You get extra lives after reaching 20, 40, 80 and 150 mil score.

Those aren't some amazing numbers you need to be really good at scoring to reach.
Just play the game normally and poc when possible and you can easily get all the extra lives without even trying to score.
I looking at replays, my very first normal 1cc ended with 300+mil score, with the last extra life gained at the end of stage 5.
Obviously I wasn't even trying to score, so getting extra lives in MoF really isn't a problem.

>>16710148
Oh right, one more thing.

>does it count if I 1cc with marisaBug?
No. And you should be using the vpatch to disable that bug anyway.

Also, I'm guessing you haven't played EoSD?
Because the life gain system in EoSD is exactly the same as MoF.

>>16710550
I've played EoSD up to stage 4 and it's shit because I can't beat it

same with MoF

Touhou is fuckin' impossible

>>16710650
Not with that attitude.

>>16710650

For MoF just bomb anything that gives you trouble、don't worry about the power loss the game gives you tons of power items.

>>16710664
I'm busy not playing MoF because I'm too tilted to play it right now
I'm working on IN extra instead because clearly since I can't 1cc normal MoF, Extra is the place I should be.

I'm actually on "possessed by phoenix though, I can make it pretty damn far in this extra somehow but cheesy/bomb fueled gameplay proves that I'm definitely still not good at this shit

i just played all the PC-98 games despite being a 2hu fan for years. they're not that bad really and I'd easily put SoEW and Mystic Square above some of the windows games. TH1 is shit though and PoDD is a worse version of PoFV which I thought couldn't get worse somehow.

>>16711382
I've yet to finish HRtP
I just find it so boring, it's like I'm playing someone's programming exercise

>>16711382
I can understand putting Mystic Square above some Windows games, but why SoEW? That's probably my least favorite danmaku game in the series. LLS is a lot better.

My least favorite place to die is is that bulllet hell after mid boss Sakuya. I hate risking losing 3 bombs on Sakuya's opener.

Also I just had to deal with Sakuya's stage 6 spell card with no bombs. I surprisingly got really close to capturing it but died at the last moment. Also before I re-spawned the spell timed out and she didn't get me a bomb.

It didn't matter I played poorly at Remi anyway.

Jesus! Yuki is far harder than Mai.

Why is UFO so bad? From the characters, the game-play, the mechanics and the music, everything is just so bad.
UFO's mechanic is so very annoying, it is very hard to get ANY lifes or bomb pieces because the UFOs keep on CHANGING COLOR. I HATE it when I should have one-credit-cleared the game on Normal Mode, if not due to the shitty life system. And WHY did ZUN make it so you start at the start of the stage every time I continue? Just having TWO lives combined with the shitty resource system I can't even make it past stage 6 to PRACTICE the stage. Not mentioning how ANNOYING Byakuren is.
Overall the game has god awful glowshit patterns that induce puking and gagging every time you get hit by bullets blending with each other. But thankfully stage 4 and stage 5 are piss easy compared to stage 6 so I'll clear this soon and never play this dumb shitty game ever again.

>>16713021
>Why is UFO so bad?
Because you have yet to git gud. Stop blaming the game for your suckiness.

>>16710550
Are you retarded? A MarisaB 1cc definitely counts as a "one-credit-clear". If you're using vpatch to disable the bug, that is considered cheating by modifying the game.

>>16712542
>the spell timed out and she didn't get me a bomb.
It wasn't going to be a bomb...

>>16713021
I also don't like how the continues work. I remember not being able to beat stage 6 in SA to unlock it in practice mode. I eventually just 1cc'd it instead.

>>16713096
I was talking about stage 6. If you mean you don't get a bomb from timing it out I know. Had I not died I would have killed her before the time out or If I had not tried so hard to dodge and died earlier she would have died from me being under her more.

I just thought it sucked. Not only did I die but I also missed out on the bomb.

>>16713021

The UFOs really aren't that hard to get most of the time and the game gives you so many that even if you miss a good amount of them you should have more resources than pretty much any other Touhou game bar DDC/LOLK with certain characters.

Also the music is amazing.

I'll agree with you that MOF/SA/UFO's continue system is annoying though

Orinrin land is fun. Thank God I finally captured all of her spellcards.

ISC2 when

>>16714495
This time with actually fun scoring mechanics.

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My IN extra runs keep ending to Fujiyama Volcano.
Fuck that card.

>>16715348

Yeah it's super annoying, whenever I get hit on it once I end up getting hit like 2 or 3 more times.

>>16715355
Problem is I can never get a consistent path. I've literally only capped it once in practice, and I'm pretty sure I just got lucky. And, when I get to fujiyama in an actual run I get shaky hands from the pressure. It sucks. I've made it past it only once and I've been able to practice Possessed, but that card is hard too. IN extra would be my first extra clear but I've hit a wall it seems.

>>16715364

The way I do it is I go right under mokou in the beginning, then go down to the bottom of the screen when she fires the first shot and go a little to the left so that she jukes in that direction. After she starts shooting the arrow danmaku I circle up to the right and over her head, then go to the bottom left corner until she shoots another explosion thing. After she shoots it I move to the right as much as I can and then after it explodes I move back left. Usually she's about dead at this point (using border team).

If you screw up though everything goes to shit which is why I always get hit like 3 or more times if I get hit once.

>>16715383
Thanks for typing all that out. I'll give that a shot. I can see how it works in my head. I think I've seen a video strategy where he was also using border team and circled around the top of her head.

Okay, it took me a few continues but I can now practice stage 5 and stage 6 of SA in Hard mode. Goddamn I swear, the stages are more deadly than the bosses themselves.

>>16715875
Also captured Subterranean Sun on my first try. Kinda proud.

>>16713034
>If you're using vpatch to disable the bug, that is considered cheating by modifying the game.
I myself don't use vpatch, but if you unfocus MarisaB at 3.xx power, the middle laser has much more power than was intended, making the first few bosses trivial. It also doesn't help that even if you do 1cc the game like this, it won't be accepted as a "true" 1cc if you abused the glitch.
If you still think that it should count, abuse the MarisaB glitch for yourself.

>>16715973
The world records for MarisaB use that power glitch. Are they not real 1ccs anymore?

God people are stupid and/or uninformed sometimes.

>>16715996
Not doubting you (since you can clear spellcard in a wink, they are worth more points than you should ever be able to get without the bug) and not above anon but can I have a proof?

>>16715996
It's obvious that for survival goals, Marisa B doesn't mean anything if abusing that glitch.

Score runs with that shot are an entirely different matter altogether. Also someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the MarisaB world records don't use that glitch on most spellcards since you get faith/point items (I forget which) if you're at full power.

>>16716011
This is as far as I'm willing to spoonfeed you.

http://score.royalflare.net/th10/levelchar10.html

Download the replays yourself.

>>16716024
I don't agree. I think the LNN with MarisaB is really funny and pretty interesting to watch and definitely should count as legit. It's not the player's fault that ZUN overlooked something like this and never patched it. It's really similar to using MarisaB in DDC. You get so many lives it's impossible to game over but it still counts as a 1cc when you clear. Don't blame the player for using what's given to them.

This is like complaining about unintentional safe spots. The only problem with them is that the player themselves may not feel satisfied abusing these things. But that has nothing to do with other people's judgment of the matter.

Also yes, you are right. They do not use the power glitch on a lot of spells. On bosses, you get point items when you're at full power.

>>16716055
Was the safespot in Okuu's third spellcard intentional? There's no way you can miss something that big while coding for FOUR spellcard.

>>16716062
Don't underestimate ZUN's sloppiness. TD extra crashed with all shots if you did not have a bomb active during the transition to the final spell and DDC crashed in stage 4A upon release. These are far larger oversights than some safespot. I think it has a good chance of being unintentional.

Where I can find the replay for the current th06 WR?

>WR is 672,839,700 by somen_soc

Saw this in Cactu's youtube, but I can't find the actual replay.

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Almost 1cc'd Perfect Cherry Blossom on Ultra Lunatic. Ultra makes Yuyuko and Youmu a whooole lot harder.

>>16710148
I think you're supposed to reach exactly 8 extends.

>>16716583
http://pndsng.wwww.jp/touhou/highscores/replay/th6_ud0022.rpy

Happy watching! Hopefully it'll be topped soon for that awesome 700m.

>reached stage 6 of SA Hard
Even though I lost the two lives I had in the most stupid fashion ever (a hell crow and Youkai Blazing Wheel) I have HIGH hopes about 1CC'ing this shit.

>>16716696
Yes! I'm also excited to see the 700m becoming reality.

Thank you for posting the replay, anon.

>>16716958
Yeah, he just PBed a little bit ago and got 696m. Pretty silly how I tossed you that run and he pulled it off a little after.

No problem!

>>16716583
Isn't the current WR for EoSD 698,078,330 by 稼符一族?

>>16717351
japs think he cheated

Anyone else's spine tingle when the first few chords of Septette for the Dead Princess hit on a 1cc attempt?

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I've been too tired from real life to practice lately. Even right now I feel like going to bed at 4PM but obigations are keeping me awake until like 6PM. I managed to beat Ran a while ago, and was doing fantastic progress on Yukari compared to how much of a struggle it was to beat Ran, but I haven't played it in like a week and I can feel my slowly accumulated skills draining away.

>>16717500
Yeah. Earlier I had a 1CC attempt ruined by Remi for the third time today. I think I'll try again tomorrow...

>>16717500
It's bad to get excited when the fight starts. You're gonna lose your concentration and it will ruin your reflexes.
However, when I hit the last card and I have very few/no resources, nothing can prevent my body from shaking and my heart from racing.

>>16716055

If there was a glitch where bombing at a certain point in stage 1 automatically sent you to a good ending it'd technically count as a "1cc" too but it would still be meaningless and misleading to claim you had 1cced the game after doing that.

Like you said it's up to the player whether to abuse things that make the game trivial but saying that using a strategy like that makes it not a true 1cc is legitimate, because as far as the practical, greater meaning of "1cc" goes (as well as ZUN's intended experience of a 1cc for the game) it isn't.

Scorerunning is different because it's competitive and using the most effective strategy to get points is necessary in order to optimize, similar to speedrunning in other games. If someone used the warp glitch in Ocarina of Time to beat the game without actually having to solve all the puzzles and tackle the challenges of the game honestly you couldn't say they beat the game in a practical sense, even if they beat it in a technical sense.

I mean people can do what they want, and if they want to call it a 1cc they can, but I don't think it's wrong for other people to call them out on exploiting bugs and oversights to trivialize the challenge of the game.

>>16717731
What about, say, Seiran's last spellcard? Is it cheating to "safespot" that by getting close to her, then circling around to avoid her triangle danmaku?

>>16717877

I don't really think abusing a safespot is on the same level as using the Marisa B glitch since it's only one spellcard or attack (per safespot) which is a relatively small part of the entire run.

Now if you were to claim "I can capture this spellcard" but you did it using a simple safespot then I might think that's a bit dishonest in a similar way to saying "I 1cced MoF" when you used the Marisa B glitch is dishonest.

Really the question is "does this glitch/exploit make the game far easier than the intended difficulty" and if the answer is yes then I think it's dishonest to claim you beat the game while using it. It's sort of a gray area how much "far easier" is though. Obviously this is just my personal opinion, people can do whatever they want, but when it comes to comparing your achievements to others I don't think you should say "yeah I 1cced MoF" when you only beat it using an unintended bug.

>>16718058
Oh, that makes sense. Sorry, I didn't read the full conversation. Using the MarisaB bug is definitely not on the same level as safespotting a spell.

>>16717500
The moment I hit Yuyuko's Reflowering, I can't help but have an Adrenalin rush. It makes the victories sweeter, and the defeats painful.

>>16717473
>japs
you mean that one obnoxiously loud "jap" who got everyone to believe 稼符一族 cheated because he couldn't get the actual wr?

>>16718159
:^)

>>16718159
t. ichizoku

I thought I'd try watching some runs on YouTube for the 1cc I'm attempting and came across this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kidm0qNGezI
This makes me feel so discouraged... Sure, it's a "score run" - I have no such ambitions, I'm perfectly content with just Normal 1ccs, but still... the guy just completely destroys the game like it's nothing. It feels as if he moves 10 times faster than I do, even though we're using the exact same character. I wanted to get some tips and ideas, but now I just feel like quitting the game altogether because I know I'll never reach this kind of skill.
Sorry for blogging, I don't know what the point of this post was.

>>16718159
who also spent most of his time sucking jap dick on twitter to grow his e-pen and cant do anything anymore because of "supposed injuries"

>>16718251
Is this post a subtle way of sucking this guy's dick

>>16718251
>I just feel like quitting the game altogether because I know I'll never reach this kind of skill

You may as well quit every other game too.
Or better yet, do yourself a favor and don't play any games at all, because there's always going to be someone better than you with a skill level you couldn't possibly match.

That's stupid.

>I'm perfectly content with just Normal 1ccs

So why would you care then? He spent hours upon hours playing that game, so obviously he's really good at it, what did you expect?
There are tons of people who are much worse at the game than him or even you, though.
That's the most autistic reasoning I've heard.

Reminder that we hate everyone here, including ourselves.

>>16718251
>Sorry for blogging, I don't know what the point of this post was.
It was being a HUGE FAGGOT
...or, to be told something nice about it like don't give up and stuff? Dunno but it might be time for you to ask yourself why are you playing these games.
To me, I play because I enjoy it. It doesn't matter if there is several people that is better with my favorite shot at my favorite game, I'm not playing to be better than them and without them it would be harder to get better for me.
Now, if you are playing only to about your kickass normal 1cc in touhou, then it may be more frustrating that is needed to be.
Also
>the guy just completely destroys the game like it's nothing
This guy died to shit you would never do in normal survival and practiced a lot in order to obtain this.

>>16718337
You are a dumb nigger. You are the blackest retard gorilla nigger I have ever seen.

>>16718365
And holy shit, that capture is annoying. WHO THE HELL CAPTURES WITH THE SOUND OF THE KEYBOARD IN YEAR 2017 FFS

>>16718317
I don't know who that is, I just searched for "embodiment of scarlet devil normal reimub" and that came up as the second result (the first one was someone a lot closer to my skill level). I'm watching a related video though and it's similarly insane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaP81JNvYnY
>>16718333
>Or better yet, do yourself a favor and don't play any games at all, because there's always going to be someone better than you with a skill level you couldn't possibly match.
That's the thing, though. I'm only playing Touhou because I've been a secondary for years and thought it was finally time to acquaint myself with the source material. Normally I don't play any competitive/skill-based games and only stick to eroge and turn-based RPGs. So perhaps that's why - I don't really care if someone can clear FF7 in 5 hours or beat SMT3 with only a Jack Frost, but seeing someone mindlessly blaze through a game that I've been really struggling with for a few days now is unprecedented to me. Anyway... yeah, it's silly, I'm silly. Sorry for going off-topic, please disregard my posts.
>>16718365
See above.

>>16718422
>a game that I've been really struggling with for a few days

Few days? FEW days? Get the fuck outta here.
Most of us have been playing for years and we're still nowhere near good enough.
And you're crying already after a few fucking days?

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micrododging and rng

all skill dodges

>>16718401

Maybe... because he was livestreaming?

>>16718251
Practice.

i think everyone would instantly become motivated to become godly at shmups if they could watch me play, due to the confidence boost. i'm so unbelievably bad at these games that everyone would instantly realize that yes, tthey're more than capable of getting LNNs in every touhou game with some practice as long as they're slightly less shit

>>16719033
There are people who can't beat the games on easy with continues. Are you one of those people?

>>16719056
those people haven't practiced nearly as much as I have so this isn't a fair comparison.

>>16719084
Well, how much have you practiced? What's your greatest achievement?

>>16719130
i have no "achievements" to speak of, only a few lunatic 1ccs (mof, sa and eosd). to give an example of how much i practice i have currently more than a hundred of hours in UFO, most of them practicing bosses. after ~400 tries against byakuren my best against her is 4MNB. usually i just end up with no lives remaining. fairly sure i'm mentally retarded or something at this point. in any case, spending about half as much time on UFO as I did will probably lead to great results for most people, so it's weird to see so many people complaining about how hard it is when they probably don't even practice

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>>16719265
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
1CCS ARE ACHIEVEMENTS BY THEMSELVES, THERE IS A FUCKING SECONDARY HERE THAT CAN'T FUCKING CLEAR EOSD AND YOU (YOU) WHO HAS FUCKING LUNATIC 1CC TALKS ABOUT BEING BAD!?!?!?
>>16719265
>>>16719130
>i have no "achievements" to speak of, only a few lunatic 1ccs (mof, sa and eosd).
FUCK U

>>16719339
1ccs are difficult when you don't understand anything about the game. for a beginner of course 1ccs are nice to get. after how much i've practiced these games it should be nothing though, if anything most people would have decent scores/ LNBs of all windows games by now. Those people who can't get a normal 1cc are probably actually better than me at the games and would have no trouble if they put in the effort

>>16719265
It took me about 160 hours in UFO for lunatic 1cc, and a bit over 500 for an LNB. Granted, I was a new player at the time and didn't play the other games anywhere near as much, but it's still quite slow.

Spending more time than you think it "should" take you to reach a goal is a good way to feel like shit and burn out. Bad mindset, I guess. Or it could just be retardation and you're better off not playing these games in the first place if they are going to bully you that much.

>>16719339
Calm down.

>>16719415
>and a bit over 500 for an LNB
How do you feel a that literal negro has gotten a decent score in half that time?

>>16719429
Pretty shite. I'm happy I "quit".

>>16719429
zm is a nigger now??

>>16719453
yes, he wuz kangz

>>16715348
>>16715364
>>16715383
>>16718759
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sg4k7pesabatl6s/th8_06.rpy

Who is your favourite character to play in PoFV?

>>16719265
>Lunatic 1ccs
We have two main groups of people in this thread.
The ones who aren't good at Touhou (yet), who are either trying to 1cc or are able to 1cc in Normal and maybe hard, while the other group is good enough to do score runs in Lunatic.
You are part of the "second" main group, you just have to get better, since there is no upper limit on how good one can be.

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What the HELL is going on? I never got past Yumeko before and now I'm here with so many lives left.

>>16720709
That's very very wrong. The difference between being able to 1cc lunatic and being able to actually score lunatic is far larger than the difference between normal 1ccs and lunatic 1ccs.

There is also a limit to how good one player can get. This will vary and the strengths will be different for everyone (e.g one player might become a god at dodging but has shit tier timing and precision and then the next guy has the exact reverse). There is a limit for everyone but it tends to be fairly high so most people never even reach it.

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I never even fought Shinki before. How in the world did this happen? I'm supposed to suck at 2hu.

>>16720968
What about the dropped frames? Paid attention to them?
I did 1CC Lunatic mode on second try because I had MASSIVE framerate drops.
Also, where did you get the english version?

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>>16718422
>a few days
It took me months before I got my first 1cc, man. You are like a little baby.

I CLEARED EXTRA IN WOOOOO

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>>16721568
my first extra clear in any touhou
I'm so fucking satisfied right now
it was a bad run by anyone else's standards but as someone still getting into these games it feels great to do shit that is really hard for me

>>16721591
Did you get caved by ex-Keine anon? Anyways, congratulations on getting your first Extra clear.

>>16721591
Nice job. IN has a really cool extra. Any idea what extra you'll try next?

>>16721601
I actually had a NBNM Keine in my clear and I managed to cap hourai doll even though it was only my second time seeing it in an actual run. I did practice it in spell practice and capped it there first, though.
>>16721636
Yeah I really like Mokou's theme and her cards are fun. I don't think I would have grinded out this extra being as bad as I am if not for that, but I have put it some work on PCB and MoF's extras since I heard they're pretty tame as well. Probably not going to do phantasm in PCB but I think I might focus on PCB extra next.

>>16721649
Phantasm PCB really isn't that much harder than Extra PCB, it's even easier in a couple of parts. I haven't been able to play in a while so I barely have any hours in Phantasm, but it took me forever to beat Ran and by the end of the first day practicing Phantasm I was already able to reach Yukari's first survival card and captured like half the cards on my first try since a lot of them use the same strategies as Ran's equivalent cards.

>>16721649
I felt the same away about my first extra which was PCB. It was also probably the most fun I've had playing the series.

>>16720952
Still, scoring tends to be very memorization based and not fully representative of a player's skill in the games.

On the contrary, things like LNB and Lunatic no miss no bomb tend to highlight a person's complete dodging potential and ability. The dodging survival type of play requires high-tier raw dodging ability which is completely different than just memorization that scoring requires. I think it's safe to say that players like Yatsuzume tend to be pretty top notch around these communities. Jaimers as well.

>>16721840
So what you're telling me is that you're an idiot? Okay, gotcha.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16721876
Not really an idiot when my statements are accurate. Even the ancient prestigious players of old, like Kefit would agree.

"I don't particularly care about score, so most of my replays are anything flashy scorewise. However, I do care about survival and card capturing, and I believe that those are far more important indicators of skill."

>>16721906
nice meme

>>16721840
>>16721906
LOL

The one thing about Jaimers which implies high-tier skill like you imply is that he does the stage perfects shortly after new games are released, so he obviously doesn't need to memo or grind to hard to get them.

>>16721906
Okay, you got me. Nice troll. Completely fell for it. Good job. Good meme.

>>16721840
>>16721906

hmmm, was a good attempt at bait, but in the end you tried too hard. pretty funny though

>>16721913
I thought his undertale videos were the most impressive. Sans is much harder than flandre or anyone you might encounter in touhou

perfect sans is the epitome of skill in any shmup game. should stop the guerilla warfare and do skeleton warfare!

>>16721909
>>16721913
>>16721914
>>16721927
You can stop samefagging now.

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>>16721936
Okay.

>>16721840
>Yatsuzume
He's not even good at dodging, and only has the piss easy LNNs. Should have said Everlasting_ and I'd have believed you.

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>>16721950

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>>16721934
The majority of the Sans fight is a platformer, not a shmup, and most of the shmup sections are easy to dodge. Only one that really gets me is the very end when you're spinning around in a circle, beyond that I think I can usually dodge all of it. The real thing that damages me in his fight is when he slams you against a wall, because you're almost guaranteed to get hit if he's at his fastest speed and slams you into the same wall as the one you just jumped from, it's like frame-perfect to avoid it.

>>16721934
>>16722020

>>>/vg/171120057
Remove yourself.

>>16722020
I dunno, it's semi-platformer-ey what with the whole being blue half the time, but not entirely? For some parts you're red. I guess it depends on how you define shooter vs. platformer a bit. Undertale has certainly had no qualms with taking a lot of unique things to the genre. The difficulty is still semi-high for Sans, though. You will definitely lose health very quickly if you don't pay attention and fuck up; which to an extent is fair since he has some tricky fuck-you moves which have a really good chance of hitting you if you don't know what's coming. Also normally, in shooters, when you take a hit you, you die and have a set number of lives. With Sans it's not quite so cut and dry. While most fast bone attacks will only cut off about 15HP or so at a guess, a full hit Gaster Blaster could potentially cut off up to half of your health. Of course, since it's Karma damage, it won't be instant death, which, despite the potentially and generally large amount of damage he can sometimes do, can occasionally be a saving grace of sorts. You don't get any bombs, either. But since you get your inventory full of items, especially if you've kitted it out with all sorts of powerful healing items, you don't really need them. Though, you do have to wait and won't progress through the dialogue every time you use them, and thus suffer another attack. As a side note, I'd like to note that using a Sea Tea during Sans' fight can actually be pretty helpful. Many of his attacks will hit you pretty fast and the extra speed can really save your ass. Just try to control your movement a bit more carefully, since the potential to move too far, or jump too early and get fucked up anyway exists, too.

Anyway, Sans benefits more from memorization than most bosses in my opinion. After about 20 plays or so I'd memorized most of his attacks and they became fairly easy to dodge once you know what's coming.

I know how you feel about the slam attack when he's slamming at his fastest speed and slams you right back down to the same area you jumped from. I just say fuck it and spam items if I need to. It really does feel sort of like a frame-perfect thing. By that point in the fight, you'll have little need of your items once you reach his final attack, so you might as well use 'em up as you need to. Best to do his final attack with full health. Remember to wait between turns for your Karma to fully deplete to get the most returns from your items. Just wait anywhere that isn't on the top left of the item screen so you don't get hit by his bullshit between-turn attacks.

>>16721985
Give him some credit. He got his LNNs pretty quickly, and pulled off some pretty sugoi dodges during them.

>>16722345
stop self fellating dude :^)

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>>16722314
Yeah, the karma gimmick definitely makes the fight easier than harder, despite how intimidating it looks. I think the Sans fight as a whole is a bit too different from normal shmups to directly compare. I found him easier to beat than Undyne actually just because I'm good at platformers.

I'm going to listen to >>16722052 and stop the discussion, though. Not going to /vg/ though, that place is a shithole, especially the Undertale general. If I wanted to surround myself with furries there are better communities than that place.

>>16722384
Yeah. It's very different from how you would design a traditional shooter boss fight. If you had lives it would probably be too difficult for most people, especially since most people are going to get fucked a lot the first few times playing, especially due to the tricky nature of some of his attacks. Nobody wants a frustration grind.

I guess it would be prudent to stop, though, you're probably right, since it's not the right place to have a conversation about it. I won't be going to /vg/ either, myself.

>>16722314
You can avoid the wall slams automatically by holding 4 arrow keys at once for the whole attack, if your keyboard can press them simultaneously.

I propose we establish this thread as the official /jp/ Undertale thread starting from this post.

Is anyone else working on their first lunatic 1cc? If so how is it going?

>>16722463
How about you go fuck yourself?

>>16722367
It's not fellating when someone else is being blatantly wrong. Sure, your MoF scores are more impressive, but that doesn't mean that LNNs don't require good dodging.

>>16722539
>scores in MoF
>impressive
Good one

quite the day when this thread talks about more than normie 1cc's

God I swear you scorerunners are easily the shittiest posters in this thread regardless of how good you are at touhou. Why do you feel the need to act like retards whenever anything related to playing on a difficulty higher than normal comes up, is it all the pent up frustration? Or maybe it's just one particular poster who needs to chill the fuck out.

>>16722767

No wonder it doesn't get talked about much when it summons those spergs

>>16722781
I'd say it's more of some sort of strange insecurity. Something about seeing lower players happy about their runs must drive these people insane. If you run isn't "worthy" enough to be happy about, then you shouldn't even bother posting or feeling happy.

>>16722811
It seems the better one is, the more bitter they are and think they are shit more.

>>16722781
>>16722811
Just ignore them, really. Most of them are just shitposting, anyway.

>>16722824
You need a mental illness in order to be a superplayer at Touhou.

what posts are even aggravating you guys so much? I dont even see much of an offense being committed?

It's times like these that we need the TouhouJusticeWarrior to return. Or MaZe.

>>16722847
Go back to your discord hugbox, friend.

>>16722811
because its funny you dumb negro

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good """""""""""gameplay""""""""""" thread

>>16722866
The problem is that you think it's funny but really it's obnoxious to anyone who doesn't have autism.

>>16722881

boy you'd think it was a general or something

>>16722901
How is that a problem? He doesn't have to care about what you think.

Question- on that last run of PCB I found I had 4 continues. I hadn't changed anything since my last run so Im not sure how I got that?

>>16722926
in some games you get more continues than 3, I dont exactly remember how it works in PCB. Maybe it was dependant on the difficulty, how many you get

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Can I be a fan of Touhou but never play the games? Frantic Bullet Hell Shooters just aren't that fun for me, but I do like the music, character designs and the story looks fun.

Also Clownpiece is adorable.

>>16722937
It's just strange because I don't remember getting 4 continues on any of my previous runs.

>>16722964
it's called being a "secondary"
there's nothing particularly wrong with it

>>16722964

Assuming you're not just baiting people, that's what people here call a secondary, you should at least give the games a good try and if you don't like them then read the official print works and maybe some of the lore stuff from the games (available on the wiki). Being a secondary is basically being a fake fan which is fine if that's all you want to be but you'll probably get derision from people who actually are knowledgeable about the canon material.

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>>16722964
>Can I be a fan of Touhou but never play the games?
>Clownpiece is adorable

You'll fit in perfectly

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>>16722972
>there's nothing particularly wrong with it

>>16723000
It's just a videogame dude. Didn't your mom tell you not to play them?

>>16722468
I am.

EoSD, I can do up to stage 5, but feels so cheap playing stage 3 and 4 for survival, I'm working on better strats for them first. Need to work on Patchy too.

I'm also trying to improve my score on normal, but I'm kinda stuck atm, people (scorerunners) normally score a few mi more than me by the end of stage 2, but I can't go higher than 23mi. I know I can optimise mid/late game, ofc, I'll work on that later.

>>16722980
I'm not baiting, I've seen gameplay and it looks more frustrating than entertaining. What are some of the "easier" games that you'd recommend?

>>16722981
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GgISzVQVBvg

This is what made me fall in love with Clownpiece

>>16723009
I'm a naughty boy, so I never listen to my mom.

>>16723068

It can be frustrating for some people but really it depends on how quickly you improve and how willing you are to grind a bit to get better. For an easier game I'd recommend Touhou 7 (Perfect Cherry Blossom), Touhou 8 (Imperishable Night), or Touhou 10 (Mountain of Faith). Though if you want to get into the lore you might want to start at Touhou 6 (The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil).

They're much more fun to play than to watch I think, for me at least they're pretty good at sucking me into the game with the music, atmosphere, and intense gameplay. I don't really get that frustrated (only sometimes) because it's almost completely skill based and it's easy to measure your improvement by how far you're getting and which spellcards you're capturing.

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>>16723000
I've owned touhou merchandise for years, listened to a shitload of the music and arranges since forever ago, and even read up on the story and shit. I've only just gotten into the games like 5 months ago. There's nothing wrong with being a secondary but I don't go around bragging about it either.

Why do you hate secondaries, /jp/?

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Just beat UFO with 3 lives left. I kinda surprised myself with some dodges here and there, even though I'm quite tired.
I guess I should step up my game and start going Hard mode a little more.
That said, Extras are still out of the question aside from the ones of the classic era.

>>16722964
>>16723068
>Clownpiece is adorable
>fall in love with Clownpiece

Until you actually have to fight the fucking cunt.
But that's the benefit of being a secondary, I suppose.

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>>16721591
Feels good, huh?

>>16723152
>Why do you hate secondaries, /jp/?

Because,
>owned touhou merchandise for years
>listened to a shitload of the music and arranges
>read up on the story and shit
any retard can do this.
It doesn't take any effort, skill or dedication.

>>16723192
It takes skill to get a job to have money to buy the merchandise you autistic weeaboo neet.

>>16723192
Why does "effort", "skill", or "dedication" matter at all when it comes to being a fan of something

Are you so delusional that you think people that like things without devoting all their time to them are "doing it wrong" or something

You're not wrong, anyone "can" do these things, but your argument that effort, skill, and dedication is only what makes someone a proper fan is idiotic.

>>16723215
welfare exists

>>16723220
but m-muh food stamps bixnu mufudda

>>16723218
Not him but if you refuse to play the games then you're not a real fan, no matter how much fanmade shit you cosume

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>>16723231
But what does it truly mean to be a fan? Is the act of consuming entertainment not an end to itself, regardless of whether one is fully immersed in the source material?

>>16723231
All my argument is is that there's nothing wrong or harmful about being a secondary. "Real" fan or not, secondaries aren't harmful to the community. The real cancer is ugly as dirt cosplayers who want to prove to their parents that they can be pretty if they dress up like Reimu.

>>16723245
Well, ZUN did suggest secondaries to try his own official games several times...

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>>16723245
Would you say I'm a fan of Pepsi if I had never drunk a single drop of it?

>>16723254
>there's nothing wrong or harmful about being a secondary. "Real" fan or not, secondaries aren't harmful to the community.

They are when they come to gameplay threads pretending people to take them seriously

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>>16723277
>They are when they come to gameplay threads pretending to be people to take them seriously

Anon, I think you're confusing "secondary" with "troll"

>>16723190
Nice job.

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>>16723290
What would a secondary contribute to a gameplay thread? huh?

>>16723311
Well that was a while ago though.
Right now, I've tried Mokou but I failed at the survival spell card. I always fail there.
All this because I wasted a particularly high amount of resources on Fujiyama Volcano. Fuck this card.

I'm not too familiar with how the endings in IN work, because I keep on reaching FinalB, even though I want to reach FinalA. Do I have to be bad enough to get FinalA?

>>16723350
after 1ccing finalB you can chose your ending, otherwise you will always go to finalB on your first credit if you cleared finalA before (anycc).
If you continue before stage 6 you stil lgo to finalA

>>16723313
They could ask a harmless question like >>16722964 , Get an answer, and then leave if they have nothing more to contribute that's following the thread's topic. But, it's also just 4chan, and who fucking cares that much my dude. All of this discussion of secondaries and shit is as far away from gameplay as we possibly could be.
>>16722881
>>16722881

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>>16723360
>it's just 4chan, and who fucking cares
Get out

>>16723339
Oh ya that card is tough. Practice it more in spell practice.

>>16723386
Nah, I just saw an easy way to capture it. I feel like I should try again.

>>16723360
There is really nothing to "discuss" about. People post their clears and whatnot, and might get some encouraging replies, which does not constitute a discussion. If you needed a strategy or whatever, visiting a replay archive is a much faster solution than asking about it here. No wonder the thread turns into a place for fun people to come and shitpost.

>>16723401
I just realized I was only 4/168 in capturing it myself.

>>16723407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_5fPuGyHI4

Also found this very interesting video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZXM5L75h38

>>16723427
I never even thought of going over her head.

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>>16723378
You can't make me and that's part of the fun

>>16723231
You could get a good dose of canon by watching playthroughs of the games with different characters. If knowing canon material is what makes a true Touhou fan, you don't actually have to play the games as such. You can even go on the Touhou wiki and they have translated dialogue for all scenes with all characters in a playthrough right there on a web page.

If playing the games themselves is what makes you a true fan, then the canon isn't strictly needed. They're two seperate instances of two things that both help form the game, the gameplay and the story.

You could seperate these two parts of the game into different aspects that different people might enjoy to varying degrees. Some might not like the games too much, but might like the canon enough to partake. Some might not care for the story/dialogue and just skip through it all in the games to get to the pretty, colorful bullet patterns and dodging.

There is a certain amount of overlap here when you play the games themselves, but you can have one of these without the other. It would be prudent to recognize that both of these together, along with the music, characters, mood and general tone come to form what everyone knows as "Touhou."

Touhou is a niche franchise of a niche game genre which is generally known as being difficult to your average player. It is as unfair as it is untrue to stick "secondary" status to one who may not have the time, ability and/or desire to get better at the games, as, aside from the aesthetic of little girls flying around shooting magical bullets at eachother, there is nothing that has to clearly define what form of game Touhou has to take; the fighters and the plethora of fan games in existence as such are proof of this.

Such people may, however, enjoy the music, characters, and lore. The amount of factors one could conceivably factor into what makes someone a "fan" is not so cut and dry as simply to playing the games or not.

>>16723277
Fan works are more like drinking watered down Pepsi, with Pepsi being canon fact and water being non-canon. How watered down depends on the writer. You'd need to know the canon to know which parts are Pepsi and which parts are water, but you'd still get a decent enough dose of Pepsi to be able to tell what Pepsi tastes like by drinking enough of it.

One might also argue that, with the canon material being far more limited than the fan works in terms of capacity, a fan who's exhausted his canon options would likely seek out some of the better fan works around as well. It may not be canon, but if it were written/drawn/etc. well enough, it'd still be enjoyable to read/listen/watch. You'd just have to keep it in mind that anything in there is non-canon.

>>16723695
is that hardufo

>>16723717
Ultra.

>>16723714
You could have 1CC'd a game by time you finished writing that lame excuse

>>16723714

I think these are good points, especially the analogy you made with the Pepsi™, but if I were a huge fan of Pepsi™ and someone came up to me and told me they were a fan of Pepsi™ too but had only drunk watered down Pepsi™ I probably wouldn't accept them as a true fan.

This post brought to you by Pepsi™

>>16723714
Fuck off secondary shitter.

Looks like I can't 1CC IN Hard mode with Reimu only. I can't only make it up to halfway through Kaguya.
Too bad. I wanted to unlock to last word card linked to it.

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All this bullying makes me remember when I was first starting out and got called a troll or not even being believed when I described how I got completely overwhelmed and surprised by stage 2 bullet speed in normal mode.

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>>16723406
I use this thread to bitch about how shit I am more often than I post clears. It's not like my list is that impressive.

>>16723977

I don't understand how you can do that many normal clears without ever doing a hard one.

>>16723995
After I cleared all the games once, I didn't feel confident enough to start Hard so I started going through all of them again (though I skipped Mystic Square because I realized I was dropping frames to a degree that it was affecting gameplay despite not doing so in LLS or SoEW; I have a slightly better computer now so I should go back and do it).

Then I made the mistake of trying to beat DDC with Sakuya-B, which many anons chastised me for but I didn't quit until like a month in. I decided to try beating Ran again after that, succeeded, and want to beat Phantasm next but I just don't have much time to play right now.

I've never even attempted Hard, not once. I've tried Lunatic a few times just to test the waters, somehow got to Stage 3 without continues in GFW on Lunatic just because of how much death bullets help but never got past Stage 3 without continues in any other game, which I expected since I'm a scrub who still struggles on Normal.

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>>16724016

Hard really isn't that much more difficult than normal, the other day I gave IN hard a go since I was tired of UFO normal attempts and I got halfway through Kaguya on my first try. The patterns change but they're still pretty similar to how they are on normal so if you know the game already it won't be that much more difficult. Here's my chart for reference, I haven't even beaten UFO yet and I could still probably do a hard 1cc of one of the easier games with a little bit of practice.

how are so many players so bad?

did you all start playing last week or something?

>>16724094
After playing for a short while most players decide to take a look around and become aware of the colossal skill disparity between them and the superplayers. They might not ever be able to bridge that skill gap, and upon realizing this they stop even trying, telling themselves that they were never really serious about playing stg anyway. This attitude brings mediocrity.

>>16724132
Or maybe they just lost interest after getting some normal clears. People's levels of interest on things vary from subject to subject. Not everyone has the time they need to throw at becoming good at everything they want to, unfortunately. We have to pick and choose our battles.

>>16724132
That's because most people have actual lives. Most of the superplayers are NEETs who spend 8+ hours a day playing nothing but their scoring category. It's a special type of autism that allows that type of dedication without getting bored.

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How do I dodge the yellow (and blue) homing shots in MS?
The massive cheese snakes? I don't understand what I have to do.

>>16724094
Some of us are just slow learners.

Slow learners with very poor accuracy at dodging.

>>16724264
Move in one direction, then move in a different direction when they come close. You have to turn only when they come close or they'll have adjusted to your new path.

>>16724179
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you happy.

>>16724380
Keep telling yourself that playing the same game content for hundreds of hours is worth feeling superior about if it makes you happy.

>>16724392
Unless you have a wife and children his legacy might just outlast yours

>>16724447
I don't think that has anything to do with his hundreds (thousands?) of hours spend on mindless rote memorization.

>>16724463
>>16724447
People aren't the same. I have 500 hours clocked on Osu, but there are people who are better than me with half that.

And I do try hard to improve. It's just not in me to not make a good effort, and it's not any fun that way. I have often found myself grinding out songs a star harder than I'm used to. People learn at different rates in different ways. The people with the best traits and greater intelligence will meet with greater success with the same amount of effort as those without. To deny this fact is to deny that people are different.

And I'm not denying that hard work is important. It's very important and is something that everyone should do in general. However, what you(>>16724447)seem to be ascribing to is something is known as the "Just World" theory--the theory that everybody gets their just desserts according to how much effort they put in. It's a flawed theory that many normies ascribe to because it justifies them in thinking that everything they've gotten in life was given to them by the grace of God because of their supreme efforts, and not because of a combination of their efforts and the hand of fate.

So while their attitude might bring them mediocrity, so too does the Perfect World theory bring one arrogance. The total lack of understanding between the weak and the strong is and always has been far more than just a thorn in the side of realizing potential and fostering maturity and good will in everyone.

>>16724537
>normies

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>>16720212
Tewi!
>>16721591
Congrats anon! IN was also the first game I got an extra clear on. You should Ran and Flandre now, there are easier.
>>16722468
I am. I can get past Keine now with 2 extra lives! Now I only need to become more consistent and learn more about stage 6B and I'll get it soon™
>>16722767
We are growing!
>>16722964
Yes you can, you have a whole board for that too. This however, is a thread for people that play the main games. That's a VERY cute and adorable clown btw!
>>16723714
>Fan works are more like drinking watered down Pepsi, with Pepsi being canon fact and water being non-canon. How watered down depends on the writer. You'd need to know the canon to know which parts are Pepsi and which parts are water, but you'd still get a decent enough dose of Pepsi to be able to tell what Pepsi tastes like by drinking enough of it.
Oh no. Even a single drop of water in your pepsi will completely ruin it anon, please do not use this as an example, it's terrible and never use ice cubes to cool your pepsi too.
>>16723753
I also love Pepsi™ anon.

talent is required
only talented players deny this

>>16724537

I'm not sure if replying to me >>16724463 was a mistake or if you misunderstood what I was saying.

>>16724581

Do you think Tewi also enjoys the refreshing taste of Pepsi™? Maybe she tried some of the stock that Rinnosuke found that one time.

>>16724679
Well if she came over here I would give her a taste of my pepsi, if you understand.
Of course, this has nothing to do with how fun to play as she is in PoFV.

>>16723220
not everywere

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>>16722847
>MaZe

>>16724537
The problem is that no one in the real world really gives a shit about the 1,000 hours one person put into some niche shoot em' up game from Japan. Seriously, go outside into a busy city intersection. Look at all the people around you. Could you honestly think that even one of those people would really give a shit if you yelled "Hey, I got so and so WR by playing 1,000 of the same video game on my ass". Of course not. Only a very small niche people will honestly care. Essentially, no one will give a shit about your shmup based ego. Shmups don't put food on your plate. Shmup WRs don't contribute to society. And shmups most certainly don't warrant an "I'm better than you" attitude.

That's not to say it can't be fun to play and have a passion. But it most certainly does not justify the arrogant attitude that a lot of the so-called scorerunners have when they put down others that are new or just enjoy Touhou for its characters or lore. It's a very toxic elitist attitude that only does damage instead of bringing a community together.

Live and let live, my friend.

I'm having trouble with Yoshika. I get that she heals herself with the spirits that come out of her when she deals damage, and during her third spellcard, but on the third one how do I overcome her healing powers? Just keep shooting or do I need to keep trying to get in aggressively?

>>16724963
I don't think there are scorerunners that do what you say.

>>16724963
First of all I have no idea why you're deriving value from things based on what normalfags care about. On /jp/, of all places. And secondly most scorers play the games for their own sense of accomplishment. Any validation they're aiming for would only be within their own small community, because those are the only people who can actually appreciate it. Otherwise they'd be doing something with wider appeal to the general public like speed-running.

>>16724963
u dumb dude

>>16724264
Move unfocused. Shinki also uses them so you better get good at dodging them.

Did somebody in this thread who could qualify as an expert sperg ever put down a regular player? I saw the usual snarky elitism towards score players ("your score isn't special" "your motives are not pure") from their fellow spergs but nothing towards people who just post their clears.

>>16724963
Why are you even in this thread? I'm not a score player, but you have the wrong attitude entirely for a thread about gitting gud at Touhou. It's not a mystery why you're upset at the attitude here when you have the exact opposite attitude.

To contribute to on-topic posting I need to fucking bomb more, I sometimes die multiple times to the same nonspell on Phantasm, and I'm playing Sakuya who gets four bombs per life. I don't know why I don't just do it, I'm not likely to survive whatever spell comes next which means I'd lose that bomb anyway.

>>16724983
I think to capture the third spell you have to aggressively go through the lasers just as they're coming out to collect the spirits. (unfortunately I have no replay or video at hand because I'm posting from work)
However I believe it's easier just to time the card out instead of capturing it

>>16724264
Holy shit those graphical glitches, use a better emulator

Wow just 1cc'ed it in my second second try. TD is piss easy.

>>16726123
TD is probably the second easiest game in the main series (after LLS) in terms of patterns. Resource collection is its only tough spot.

What do you want in your shottype?
For me, I want to deal massive amounts of damage (similar to Marisa).

>>16726307
Potential for abuse and glitches that trivialize the game for survival

>>16726307
I want Mima

>>16726307
homing or a really large spread

come watch yu-suke stream the world first 700m+ scoring run of EoSD
https://www.cavelis.net/view/C0AEBB00339348FCBE6ABA9BFC9D311C

>>16726307
Large spread. Stuff like SA Marisa A or Reimu Needles in general.
Homing is shit.

>>16726395
Even on scoring runs, they save one bomb for Scarlet Meister?
Is the card that tough, or is it used for score?

>>16726510
you get the bomb from sakuya midboss, so there is not much other use for it. They use is on meister so that they can secure a good cancel on it aswell as for safety

Is there any way to set iamp to use my full numpad so 7 is diagonal up+left, 3 is diagonal down+right etc?

>>16722468
I started to write a fucking novel about my experience with trying to get my first lunatic 1cc. I decided not to post it. Basically I play touhou a lot. I wish I could see how many hours I've put into EoSD.

I've been on a roller-coaster between I can do it and no i can't it's too hard. I've quit multiple times. I took a 2month break from touhou all together. After another long period of trying I took another break. I've gotten actually angry recently. It's the first time that's happened playing these games. That passed and then I got half way through Scarlet Gensokyo the other day.

Finally I can say with certainty this is possible or so I thought. Yesterday was nothing but endless reset loops. This morning my first run I said you know what? No matter what happens I'm going do a full run with continues and not reset. It started off well. Then I died. That's ok. I died again. That's ok. Then i died again. That's ok. Then I fucking died twice within seconds of each other. I rage quit.

Then after a short break I tried again and made it back to stage 6 on my first try and my next try was back to stage 6 again. Both runs had so many mistakes too. Looks like I need to go back to practicing parts again.

I noticed that my high score screen is all from stage 6 now. I wonder how much longer until I succeed. I wish I could see how much time I've put into this. I can't even guess.

I CAN'T BEAT UFO REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16727575
What difficulty?

>>16727575
hahaha silly anon

>>16727575
>>16727618
It doesn't matter UFO is hard on any difficulty I was just curious. I actually liked UFO and hope you enjoy it too.

What's the world record for EoSD Lunatic Ultra?

By this time tomorrow I will have done my first 1cc, I swear on me mum

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>>16730027
And I'll congratulate you for it

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https://mega.nz/#!FEhFmJiI!-Lsjc3vBTTkn65BstgsNlwPICj3ZWWcYcr3VusSWXOc

I think I've gotten to the "upload a replay and have anons pick me apart" phase of my Phantasm practice because there's something fucking wrong with my brain.

I managed to capture both Ran's cards.
I managed to only waste two bombs (if I can remember correctly) during the second half of the stage and even managed to survive the entirety of the PC98-style bullet hell at the end.
I managed to reach six lives before dying, use ALL my bombs before losing my first life (for once) and even fucking captured Charming Siege 2.

And then I fucked up. And I don't know what made me fuck up so bad.

How the hell did I capture Charming Siege 2 but die twice to Ultimate Buddhist 2?

By the time I got to Ran I was panicking. I can never remember when she aims at you downward and when she aims at you upward because I've only fought the card a few times so I just started panic bombing, and then when I got to the survival card I walked into the goddamn lasers.

>>16730165
Upload replays here,
http://replays.gensokyo.org/

>>16730453
I do that for runs I actually complete, but don't think my shitty practice runs should be recorded publicly like that.

Somehow, I can't beat PCB on Normal with SakuyaB, despite me being amazingly competent with Marisa's shottypes and SakuyaA.
I have already beaten PCB with Reimu on Normal, so this is really strange.
I keep on making mistakes that I didn't do with the other five shottypes, so why can I not do the same thing as before?

Maybe this is the wrong place to ask but does anyone know what replays for PCB lunatic are good referral replays if I want to score it? My first big goal would be 2.5 and I'm not sure what sort of run to download for that.

>>16730165
The pattern for Ran is:

She starts at the wall -> aimed at you -> upwards -> towards opposite wall -> aimed at you -> upwards -> towards opposite wall -> aimed at you -> etc.

It looks very confusing but once you know how to handle it the spell is fairly easy.

>>16730797
Just look at most of the >3b replays here.
http://pndsng.wwww.jp/touhou/highscores/index.php?th=7

Dang. SOC actually broke 700mil yesterday.

In the classic era touhou games, when you hold left and press right, you'll be moving to the right, even if you have both ← and → pressed. If you hold right and press left, you'll keep moving right, it doesnt work like in the first example.

In later games, it's other way around.

Why is that?

>>16730165
I always like to see how much you optimise the stage portions, they look insane.
UB is what it is, you just need to get used to it
For Ran, you would be better at the center of the screen. Ran only aims at you when she bounces off the bottom to the top, do a quick unfocused dodge for this.
I would give you a replay, but I have only cleared this with Reimu, I can't into Sakuya for some reason

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Any tips for Gengetsu's penultimate attack?

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>>16732857
left right movement on the double blue bullet wave

other than that, just keep practicing it cause you seem to have a good grasp on the attack

How do I lighten up? Failure after failure puts me in a mental state that further worsens things (and even if I managed to successfully 1cc, I think I'd sulk my way through it like a bitch at this point). But if I watch videos of otters or something like I normally do to get myself out of a slump, when I start again, all of my skill seems to have left.

Just fucking kill me, I did an impressive run at Yukari (for my standards at least) and lost all my resource on the shitty survival card.

>>16734393
Think about it that way, you're disappointing no one. It's not a job and there are no expectations laid on you because the distribution of natural ability is random, meaning that there is no common standard of performance. People say that Lunatic is something of a baseline for minimally proficient players but that usually says nothing about the time and effort really required to do it; in that sense there is no standard. So long as you play regularly and try to get good by challenging yourself, you're doing well. Playing is you versus the game, not you versus yourself.

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>>16730119
>get to Yuyuko with zero lives left
>last long enough for me to start entertaining the thought that I might win
>don't

I have failed you.

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>>16732695
I should tell you that this optimization really only happens with me during Extra stage attempts, and Great Fairy Wars attempts, since they're short games and I play the stage portions of them over and over in practice.

>>16730830
>>16732695
>aimed at you when going down
>aimed at you when going up
Man, I'm confused with all the conflicting information.

>>16730165
>>16732695
I actually got one
I got really lucky at the survival card, but failed twice one of the cards that I like at the start and that settled a shitty mood during most of the run until Ultimate Buddhist
so here, it might be of help
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=42728
>>16734916
oh don't worry anon, you'll get it and it will be great!