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http://www.getchu.com/pc/2016_g_ranking/
Awards for 2016 VNs
What do you think, everyone?
I'm glad Akeiro got up top for scenario

>>16538453
Sen no Hatou only third? August fucked up,

>>16538453
>relief
>best scenario
what

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>>16538453
These ratings have got to be fake, pic related got 18th best for "character" but that's unreasonable, easily one of the most boring character's I've ever read, so generic and bland it's ridiculous.
>>16538466
Senren Banka has a ton of high scores in places it shouldn't too

>>16538466
It had a good scenario, spoils too much in the routes but it was good.
Also good art and music which help it.

Anybody here try a game from faro urine I want to try something the art looks cute.
Like astral air
https://youtu.be/5l8w6dBvmVA

>>16538723
*Game from favourite
Fuck auto correct

>>16538723
It's shit.

What is the most discreet method of playing eroge? My monitor is usually in plain view of others but my backlog isn't getting any shorter.

>>16538758
I play on a laptop
So I just flip it to hide stuff, if you need to need try alt+shift to change tabs to something fullscreen.

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Playing Sakura no uta wasn't expecting this on her leg

Fuck this so hot

Their whole interaction is pretty romantic like putting her head on his back and saying not to turn around.
Although I don't why he wants to see her panties so much. It seems like a cheap joke.

>>16538758
How are you planning on masturbating?
If you're desperate to read something, I'd just pick up a good all ages VN, like EMIT. I read that on my lunch break at work for a solid month, it's safe.
If you absolutely need a 100% you-will-not-get-caught lewd game, the best one I know of is Saru Getchu 3.
Seriously though, move your monitor.

General tips: If you use Windows 7, you can click on the show desktop button on the bottom right, and it will minimize all windows. If you click on the button again, it will return all windows to how you had them.
I also recommend plugging a pair of earbuds into a spare audio port so that if you accidentally yank out your headphones the sound won't go out through the speakers.

>>16538927
Any other Moe games that do this? Its cute and prefer this to the girl's entire body covered in 肉便器, 入れてちょうだい and stuff like that, this is cute.

>>16538471
>popular game gets high ranks in what's essentially a popularity contest
Wow, really makes you think.

>reading a Moreni VN
>all the screenshots that I've seen posted from it are from the first two or three pages
really make me think you guys!

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God dammit, this cat is killing me. I love it. Best cat.

>>16539019
You're really gonna play a game just for a heroine having something written on her body?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFmuFPENllQ

>>16538453
Senran Banka was one of the most mediocre things I've read. I don't know why the Yuzusoft fanbase gets so autistic about their games when there's dozens other of equal or better quality each year.

>>16540916
I preferred re:traumend, but eds never get much love.

>>16541049
If statistics hold out, there are a significant number of Yuzusoft fans who only buy Yuzusoft VNs.
Maybe the tie-in anime strategy just works that well.

>>16541270
>tie-in anime strategy

What tie-in anime?

>>16538453
did akikuru not make the cutoff for 2016 or did the nipjins just hate it that much?

>>16541386
it's just not very good

>>16541402
i'm not really up for that particular debate but surely it's better than the shit around 17-20th place?

>>16541386
Isn't it just less popular/well-known? Doesn't matter how great it is if not many people read it.

>>16541475
perhaps you're right. i'd thought the company/series was getting more recognition but i suppose the market for quantum tiddy harem comedies is still a pretty small one.

>>16540914
I kinda want the whole package.
It's cute, like she keeps thinking about the guy she, rolls around in her bed thinking he's a 馬鹿for not noticing her, acts really shy when he does something and they touch.
With that she wants to do it with him so she writes mcの専用 on her leg thinking this and reminds herself that if she's going give it to somebody it's the mc, and dreams about their first time.

Along with other stuff like making obento, trying out of her way to get near him, making chocolate, getting really jealous when he's with other girls.

乙女の心は不可雑なの(*˘︶˘*).｡.:*

>>16541536
*複雑

>>16538453
Man, 2016 was such a shit year for eroge.

>>16541785
It's been getting worse and worse over the years.

How is akikuru?
I see it shilled here alot
Is it that good or just a decent moege?

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>>16539780
猫のくせに人間語喋るな

>>16541909
It's a masterpiece. Easily the best VN of 2016.

>>16541915
Really? I didn't know that, I'll probably download it.

>>16541909
It's from a writer whose previous games were top tier and suddenly made a garbage game. Play his other stuff instead.

>>16541927
As with everything great, like SakuUta, there'll always be a few contrarians here who like to call it garbage, just ignore them.

>>16541947
Like what kiss bell, indigo?

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>>16538471
Her sex voice was more like torture voice, but her design is gorgeous.

>>16542147
Her design is pathetically generic though. The artist okay, but everything about her is a snooze fest. Whoopee, a mature 凛々しい lady that gets drunk and acts like a slob at home! WOW never seen one of them before so good

When does Subahibi start to pick up? I'm on 'It's my own invention' at the part with the teacher h-scene, and I'm really kind of conflicted on it. While a lot of scenes I think are really cool, and I love the whole craziness that is going on, it just feels kind of slow.

>>16542242
> I love the whole craziness that is going on, it just feels kind of slow
drop subahibi and read carnival instead

>>16542216
That's her character not her design.

>>16542420
I was including character in design, cause character design is a thing, and she won the "character" award, not the "good art" award.

>>16542342
Not him but do you mean this
https://vndb.org/v1001
I've never seen this before and might be wrong with what you meant.

Or the more well known
https://vndb.org/v102

>>16542470
Not him, but the first one of those is far better.

>>16542470
Carnival is very well known, it's written by Setoguchi one of VN's rockstars

How long is makoto's route in Sakura no uta I'm up to where naoya does a nude painting of her in her school clothes. I wanna get to the rina and Shikoku route asap, I hear they're the best

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anybody else play that suppository little sister vn?

>>16542567
I wasn't aware, thank you.

>>16542604
*Shizuku

>>16542342
Man that looks really fun. You know where I can download it? I have a hard time finding older games

>>16541909
Yeah it's pretty decent, but kind of long.

>>16541947
It wasn't as good as Harukuru but come on.

>>16541915
That's Tokyo Necro.

>>16542863
>That's Tokyo Necro.
That didn't even manage to get any place in the Scenario top.

>>16543491
Because it wasn't popular. It basically had no otaku appeal.

>>16543491
Yeah well Re:Lief won scenario #1 and that's confirmed to be shit so that doesn't mean anything.

>>16543491
Senren Banka got a place in the scenario top, I think that alone makes the whole poll irrelevant.

>>16543524
Hi moogy drone.

>>16543763
conjueror hated it before it was cool

霞外籠逗留記 is on sale for 999円 on DLsite.

How many h scenes are there in Tsuushinbo anyone know?

I don't much about rules regarding child porn, but can I still get eroge games where the characters look like teenagers and not be asked about by the police or customs.
Or is that only for lolige.
I live in Australia btw.

>>16545415
*or will I only be questioned if I get lolige

>>16545415
The problem has always been that the "authorities" don't know what loli is and anything that looks younger than a grandma with saggy tits is child porn.
Also how about you read the laws of your freaking country instead of asking here. A lot of places don't care even if it is loli since they can differentiate between real life and fiction.

Do you guys still fap while in refractory periods?
Like you can't get hard but still fap because theres still a h scene?

Is it bad for you?

>>16545668
My rule is if I can't get it up without touching my dick, I won't fap. Overfapping isn't bad for you in a medical sense, but well I think it kind of makes you feel like shit / demotivated. Basically you aren't fapping because you're horny, you fap to get the reward at the end.

Also see this post
>>16519160

>>16544732
10 Emi/Kotone, 11 Nonoka, 6 Other, so 37.
Don't know why Nonoka gets an extra one.

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Just finished Silverio Trinity and it was pretty damn cool.
About what I'd expect from Masada's co-writer/pet wizard/後輩/自称爪牙No.1 and only like 2 years of time since his last work.
Made me wish Light would give Takahama the same environment and time they gave Masada when he was working on Dies Irae.
Guy clearly has the potential to make something big.

>>16546014
What made it good? It just looks like chuuni for the sake of chuuni to me. What I like about Masada is that his games transcend that and become something actually thematically engaging. So basically what do you think of the game if you were to remove the 演出 and cool visuals.

>>16546042
Takahama might be living in Masada's shadow, but he doesn't call himself 爪牙No.1 without reason. A chuunige built on basically nothing but respect for Masada wouldn't be complete without some thematic exploration.
Anyway, while Masada is clearly a "陽" kinda guy, Takahama likes to focus on the "陰" side of things, like the weakness of mind and body that comes with being born inept, the weight of victory, the damage that could be done by a lack of "generally undesirable, yet highly humane" emotions such as hesitation, the madness that is heroism and the pain of those sacrificed "for the greater good".

Trinity inherits most of these themes from Vendetta, and though the newer game has a lot of autonomy and could be enjoyed standalone, I'd recommend against it.

>>16546177
You say Takahama but from what I can tell the Silverios have like 3-4 writers? That must be really inconsistent. Another huge thing in favor of Masada is that he writes and drafts these 3+MB behemots all by himself. That guy can think of calling himself his 爪牙 when he drops his underling slaves.

>>16545668
I generally do it once, finish the scene and then go to bed, unless whatever I'm using appeals to me enough that my dick is instantly ready for a second round.
But that rarely ever happens.

>>16546267
Actually...
https://www10.atwiki.jp/god14/pages/845.html
>正田崇作品はDies irae新装版「-die Wiederkunft-」より参加し、以降も神咒神威神楽、相州戦神館學園八命陣、相州戦神館學園万仙陣にてスクリプトを務めている。
...Takahama himself is an underling slave to Masada.

Likely didn't want to get credited so he wouldn't ruin the perceived purity of Masada's works.
As that page writes, he's quite the small person. A true wizard who loses himself in the presence of girls(also recall reading that, when Masada invited him to a brothel, he went full orz and begged him not to force him). Wouldn't put it past such a person to refuse sharing the spotlight with someone he so admires.

And if that's not 爪牙No.1 material, I don't know what is.

>>16541909

Decent if you want to read 2.5mb straight of shimoneta and some boring surface level scifi. Read Harukuru or Natsukuru instead.

>>16541915

Are you trolling? It isn't even in the top 5 for 2016 and 2016 wasn't a great year for eroge.

Do you guys feel bad your favorite eroge doesn't have large community like say clannad.

Where people make art, comics, fan games and parodies and whole bunch of other stuff.

I mean I'm sad for other reasons that I can't discuss danganronpa with non-eops who are willing to go over the Japanese text for clues and their lack of understanding of the game being a barrier from properly understanding the game.

>>16547008
*from properly discussing the game.

Anyone has a link to a cracked exe of Daitoshokan no Hitsujikai? Can't find it

>>16547008
But Clannad is my favorite.

Anyone know any good trap vns? I've been poking through vndb but have been uninspired

who's that one girl you thought was going to be the worst but ended up being the best?

Does it matter what order I read the routes in Dracu-riot or this not the sort of game where stuff actually matters

>>16547901
The usual recommended order is Elina -> drop.

Cool, just finished downloading Eustia and accidentally read an unmarked spoiler in warosu while searching for something else. Guess I'll kill myself now.

>>16547791
Depends on what you want. Do you like trap protagonists or trap heroines?

>>16547937
What spoiler? I'm not sure I'd say spoilers matter all that much for Eustia.

>>16547951
Yes

>>16547954
I stopped reading as soon as I saw it was a spoiler, but by then it was too late and I'd already seen the words sacrifice ending

>>16547963
Eh, if that's all you saw I don't think it's that big a deal.

>>16547951
>trap heroines
Do they have homo sex scenes?

>>16548011
What else would they have?

Does Senmono get good later on?

Played maybe five hours but always get bored and stop reading for months at a time.

>>16547901
I agree Elina's the best girl
>>16547913
But nichola is the true route unlocked after everybody else's so any order really

>>16547791
オトメ*ドマイン
オトメ*ドマイン
オトメ*ドマイン
オトメ*ドマイン
オトメ*ドマイン

Trap minato is best girl(male)
2ch loves her(him)

Not sure about everybody else a here a few others have played it I think, I really like it.
Just remember you are a cute girl(male) and that you are constantly doing your route. The other girls(female) are okay I guess.

>>16548170
>But nichola is the true route unlocked after everybody else's so any order really
You don't have to do all of them, it's unlocked after finishing one other route. It's also not really worth it.

>>16548191
I really hope Hinata and Yuzu's routes are better. I just started Kazari's and I have never been a fan of MC's being dodgey after being confessed to. Might just stop reading this route.

>>16548330
I liked hianta's route.
It's meta in a sense, you know how Anime girls act different from regular girls from things like expressions to gestures? Well her chuni makes her have no friends during class. So she doesn't know whether to stop and act like a puppet and act like regular girls or not.

My problem with her is that they have their first h scene while hianta still thinks minato is a girl. And he's to scared to tell her, it left a bad a taste in mouth.

>>16541797
You only think that way because there aren't as much VN's being turned into anime. Say whatever you want, but an adaptation means it's worth checking out.

How does Baldr Heart fare with Sky or Zero? I haven't heard much of a positive reception of it so far.

>>16548572
Gameplay-wise it's the best in the whole series. Story-wise it's okay, not something outstanding so it's fine if you don't expect too much. Art is generic but you get used to it pretty soon. Its OST is great btw.

>>16548621
I rather like Baldr Heart's art. Certainly better than Sky where most of the main characters had those dead pupils for eyes.

>>16548572
better than force and zero, worse than sky.

>>16548191
Oh nice, thanks for the suggestion, just started it and it seems not too hard to read either, and pretty good production value

>>16548748
I picked it cause I love the hair it's probably hair I've seen and I really like the art

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>>16548793
>I love the hair it's probably hair I've seen

>>16548793
>>16548828
My bad
*probably the best hair

There's a new patch for Maitetsu apparently, the game was okay, but paying just for some extra porn scenes?
Seems like Japan is embracing the idea of DLC.

>>16548191

I'll probably never understand why Minato is liked so much.

>>16549072
Part of the reason I bought Maitetsu was because Lose kept putting out bonus H-scene patches for Monobeno, and they were all free.

Between this paid DLC shit and Maitetsu being quite a lot worse than Monobeno, I probably won't be buying their next game.

>>16549096
Cute
Cute self insert
Clean
Neat
Cooks
Friendly
Can be pretty sexual, wants to jack off in class as he can't hold it in
Kind
Strong
ダメダメな子 (it's hot)
Wife material

Probably one of the best eroge Mc that isn't insane or bad but I hate that he's a bit a wimp but that's part of his ダメダメ nature
Plus he doesn't do shitty things like obsses over panties and stuff.

>>16548828
Why are smug girls so fuckable?

>>16549228

He is just a trap version of your everyday moege MC though. Sure those aren't "cute", but he's just as much the tsukkomi and everything typical else as well. Even if he isn't super perverted (although wanting to fap in class is a bit worse than obsessing over panties every now and then I feel..) it's still all.. generic.
Or, in other words, it's boring.

But perhaps that's what people found interesting.. or whatever. Hell if I know.

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>>16549306
>He is just a trap version of your everyday moege MC though.

I think you don't understand the point of traps they look and act so feminine and they pretty much are girls personality wise but with male genetilia.

Far from male tsukkomis and far from everyday male mcs. From looks and the way they act.

If they acted like a guy I don't think me and others would be into them, that would kinda be gay. They don't act like guys except for a few things even then it's so miniscule you see them as a girl.

>>16548572
>I haven't heard much of a positive reception of it so far.
Have you been living under a rock or something? My and assumably many other people's reaction as well has been that it's the best title in the series when it comes to gameplay, and the story is at least well entertaining level even if doesn't reach Sky heights. Definitely my favorite game of 2016. Though I also dislike the new heroine art as well.

>>16549393

I'm not sure if it's so normal to see a trap as a normal girl. I really don't. But that goes a bit further than I'd wanna write about in this thread here. As in what's gay and what isn't..

So, in that regard, let's just say it like this: I don't the trap as a girl. At all. It's a guy. His voice sounds like a guy's voice to me, regardless of him being voiced by a woman. His moans are as arousing as the moans of any dude. (=zero) And trap games can still be interesting, as in there's enough "value" in there being a trap-protag. Though I'm not touching "all trap heroines" games.

>>16549072
>>16549124
It's free for people who preordered the game, isn't it?

>>16549393
>>16549828
I mean he fucks girls so I don't see what you think is "gay".
Also protag voiced in sex scenes? Picked up.

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>>16549072
>>16549124
>>16549848

And it seems the patch is actually free for everyone, like the previous one was.

How likely is it that we get a Masada / G Yuusuke game this year? They put out something every year from 2014-2016 but Ikabey was very short I guess.

>>16549878
very unlikely, my bet is on 2018

>>16549393
If you're a man who's into girly men, that means you're gay, or at least bisexual. I don't see why trap lovers are so desperate to deny it; it's not the 1950s anymore, no one cares if you're gay.

I mean, I've played and enjoyed number of games with trap protagonists, where the trap aspect serves as a source of comedy or whatever, but I can't say I've ever felt attracted to the protag himself. He's just there to collect the girls, same as non-trap protagonists.

>>16550011
That's like saying you're gay for playing games with male protagonists.

>>16550022
Right, that's my point. A trap protag is a male protag. If you're seeing a trap protagonist as one of the "girls" and feeling sexually attracted to him, that's what's gay.

>>16550046
The thing with anime traps is they usually aren't guys crossdressing, but rather, the artist draws a girl and then adds a penis in the end. Body shape, voice and everything is a girl. *Not* being attracted to it would be weird. With real life traps you can always tell that they're a man even post hormone therapy, but the world of 2D deletes that factor.

>>16549828
>sounds like a guy

Really?
To me he sounds like a girl, I guess you could say they sound like a really really feminine guy like most traps.
Still its a female voice actress.

>>16550093
I can only speak for myself here, but while you're entirely correct, once I know it's a guy all that goes out the window. He's simply a cross-dressing guy from that point on.

>>16550046
>>16550022
>If you're seeing a trap protagonist as one of the "girls" and feeling sexually attracted to him, that's what's gay.

Wait what?

I'm seeing them as a girl not a guy and am attracted to them because of that.

Look assume they are a robot instead with no gender.
They look like a girl, talk like a girl, if I'm attracted to this I'm not attracted to the robot qualities but to the feminine qualities.
Fuck, you could put anything down there tentacles, a control panel, some weird shit or even nothing, that doesn't matter, if they have female qualities I'd be attracted to the female qualities of that person.
I mean If it was the case it would be like saying I was into octopi solely because what they have down there, ignoring that I was only attracted because of the female qualities and not attracted to tentacles.
I might be attracted and not even have known they were a robot or octopi-kind unless the game tells me or I see.

It's the exact same thing for traps except they have a penis and not tentacles, and I'm not attracted to either.

Also this says it pretty well>>16550093, traps are girls that a artist just stuck a penis on afterwards. They can take it away, it even doesn't exist since it's 2d and the artist would have draw them without clothes for it to exist.

What I can't understand at all is trap protagonist games where the trap isn't an active participant in sex scenes. Why the fuck go to the length of having a cute, girly protagonist but then in HCGs have his face hidden / have him be a floating dick, or even worse him not talking much as if the game was a regular eroge. Or him suddenly becoming top in all H-scenes if he is more of a bottom in regular scenes. Even worse is completely unvoiced trap protagonists.

What's the point?

>>16550183

Same. Reason why I also feel that the voice is simply that of a guy's even if the very same voice could probably be used for a girl as well.

>>16550388
What games did this even happen in? All the popular trap games people usually talk about like Tsuriotsu, Otoboku, Otome Domain etc have voices and lots of CGs with the protags face.

>>16550409
For having so much sex TenshiHane has whopping two HCGs where the protagonist's face is shown, neither of which have him naked and both of them are just pushing a heroine down before actual sex.

Also, didn't both Ruitomo and Tsuriotsu have unvoiced protags before patches / fll voice editions.

>>16550409
Not him but for hiantas's sex scenes minato's face doesn't show up for any in otome domain.
Maybe a few times but I really wanted to see their face during sex. Sure they have their own art but don't really show up during sex only for one scene.

>>16550409
Not him but https://vndb.org/v5635 and https://vndb.org/v5153 have unvoiced protags (though he still has a face). Still, other trap VNs I know are fully voiced (Otoboku 2, Tsuriotsu, and ensemble's Otome series). Koitate too IIRC.

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>>16550457
See pic
There's only a single image where you see minato's face for their h scenes

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Finished Daitoshokan. Best moege I've read so far, but still with weaknesses.

The biggest weakness is probably romance. It's the moege typical "one-sided" thing. Protag wants to help out girl x, that's it. It's not a two-way relationship, just one-way. In this game however it's way worse than usual, as you have way better and genuine relationships, so the romance only feels like a third wheel.

Route-wise Shirasaki and Sakuraba were kinda alright. Shirasaki is simply a more fun character outside of her route and Sakuraba.. I didn't really care about.
Senri however was the best route of the game, in my opinion. It even used the shepard idea.. as the only "normal" route. It also built two strong relationships with friends of hers, though the one with Kana ended up being covered more in depth in Kana's route which is second place as far as routes go. Senri and Kana are one hell of a great combination.

The true route then was pretty disappointing. Not only do you another "common" route style story, which is also the worst of them all thanks to creating an extremely forced petty villain (and kinda killing a good character in the process..).
But even ignoring that.. why are there endings for the 4 main heroines? They are all WAY inferior to their main-routes. Short and shallow. I hope they don't continue these in the fandisc, but stay with the main-routes which are waaaaay better in all ways.
Then best girl Kodachi. She.. got the short stick. So fucking much. Because of all the "common" scenes, her "route" was actually just short. The shepard part was not satisfactory covered. Her issues with her feelings were also not really covered and at one point a switch was hit and she did a 180° from "fuck you, go away" to "take me! *smile smile*". Yeah, she was all messed up and confused, but how to do this better showed Kana's route in the very same game. It was just rushed, it felt like several steps were skipped.
Apart of that, if you wanna play all of it, prepare for tons of repeated content.. which is the worst if you ask me.


Still, even with those problems it had some genuinely great characters, a bunch of good humor, an awesome cat and is generally a lot of fun with even good charage moments (the relationship between Senri and Kana was especially great in my opinion). The true route was disappointing for me, but.. well. The curse of best girls.

>>16550518
Kana is the best girl, Senri is cock-thirsty slut.

>>16550388
it's harder to self insert if I see the face

>>16551013
You're a cute girl anon you can do it.

I know you guys here hate nekopara but have you see their Kickstarter? They managed to get nearly a million dollars for a single ova.
I mean I like the doujin, but a million dollars for a single ova?
I never knew anime cost that much, this isn't a series but single ova. They had a single episode going for 20min costing 100k dollars I mean even then i think that is way too much. I thought that was the price for a full length eroge.

Thoughts?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sekaiproject/nekopara-anime-ova

>>16549235
their pride

>>16551970
>I mean I like the doujin, but a million dollars for a single ova?
Some games are just like that, it cant be helped. For example I also cant believe how Teaching feeling made almost 2 millions dolar without any kind of voice acting & story & writing etc, but it somehow did with just the pat button. Sometimes logic doesnt work with those.

>>16550466
It's mostly an evolution of the genre to have trap protags fully voiced and featured prominently in the CGs.

Of course the idea originally was having that would be too obstructive for the need of self inserting to the protagonists but makers pretty soon found out their audience, at least a good chunk of them, don't really enjoy the game that way. Thus the full voice patches and now new trap games being released with fully voiced protags and sex scenes that are focused on the protags.

>>16550011
The issue with arguments like this and similarly the "you can't insert into a trap/girl protagonist so the experience is ruined" argument is that it fails to differentiate fantasy from reality and imagination with experience. I just played Kanojo Step for a while and enjoyed it quite a bit despite the protagonists being completely unrelatable to me personality wise but I have no issue with "self inserting". Same with everything. You can "self insert" into an octopus if it was well written. It's really stupid to try to pin your own mind to an identity.

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Anybody playing the demo how is it?
Micchi seems really into it

>>16552099
I liked it

>>16552055
I did not know this, in that why not make a game where you are a cute girl doing cute things that's all people want and there's not a single game that does that yet properly.

>>16552099
Well he has bad taste. The screenshot he posted aren't a good case for the game either and make it look incredibly generic. Which it probably is, I guess.

>>16552099
I've been meaning to try this

>>16552099
Someone said it's worse than previous minori games, which means it's shit.

>>16550518
I haven't played the game yet but the subtitle for Daitoshokan is probably my favorite out of any VN.

"a good librarian like a good shepherd" just sounds really cool to me for some reason.

>>16552673
Are you an ESL?

>>16552099
they need to fix her neck band

>>16552099
Kinokonomi Art is pretty kawaii. That's it.

Hey guys I want to ask something, why is 18 considered the age for adults?

Regarding eroge, outside the West there are people who would get angry the girls aren't 18.
As anything under is considered a child.
Even buying them you have to be 18.

I mean humans and animals go through puberty we are ready for children at this
age then why is it looked down to want to have sex with them?
Wouldn't it make sense if you'd want a young partner?

I mean take eroge most of the girls you see are teenagers yet you'd be considered an ephebophile for being attracted to them. Some people would find that abnormal.

I get lolicon as they look like kids but in other eroge they would would been teens.
I realize they're not real yet but am curious about this issue.

Why is 18 the age?
When humans develop during puberty, before they reach 18 can express the sexual feelings thoughts and actions. Yet being anything sexual with them is wrong.

>>16553628
Adulthood is firstmost characterized by legal capacity, the capacity to act with legal consequences. Legal capacity assumes reasonable and independent manifestation of the will, reasonable disposition of your own legal relations and responsibility for your own actions. A man acquires it at a certain level of physical and mental development, which, according to Roman understanding, coincides with sexual maturity (pubertas). Since sexual maturity does not begin for all people and in all regions at the same time, puberty was originally established in boys on case to case basis, and was manifested by the ceremonial act of assuming the toga of manhood (toga virilis), and also involved taking off his bulla and a shave. It happened between the age of 14-16. For girls, on the contrary, establishment of sexual maturity was not required and the beginning of their legal capacity was the end of age 12 (of course, it was very limited since women were under a lifelong tutelage (tutela mulierum); however those limitations with time weakened and in the later Roman law remained only as a formality).

This was the old standpoint on establishing maturity, which even in the imperial period of Rome (roughly after Augustus in 27 BC) was advocated by one of the two famous schools of legal tought, the Sabinian school. The other one, the Proculians saw a need for a fixed age for maturity and determined it to be end of 14 for boys and 12 for girls. This later view was also partially adopted by Justinian in his Digestae (6th century).

Amongst the immature (impuberes) under that age are children (infantes) "who can not yet speak" (qui fari non possunt - meaning they lack the capability to pronounce old formalistic legal formulas), in other words, a complete lack of legal capability. Justinian designated the end of age 7 as the limit of infancy. That was the first period of becoming an adult in the eyes of the law.

The second period was immaturity above infancy (impuberes infantia maiores; qui fari possunt) and they had only limited legal capacity, they couldn't marry or make a will, and they could only enter into legal transactions that bring them benefit (such as gifting) and not transactions which include a reduction of their property, possessions or obligations. For those kinds of transactions they needed the participation of a tutor (tutoris auctoritas). The mature (>14;>12) were in the early days of the Roman state had full legal capability and if they weren't girls, their tutelage would stop.

This early onset of maturity, which also occurs in other ancient laws, proved to be unsuitable for developed and more complicated economic relations. Therefore lex Plaetoria (around 191 BC) introduced a new age limit and a third period which lasted until the age of 25 (minores viginti quinque annis). This law also provided a criminal and a popular (meaning everyone can file a lawsuit) lawsuit against those who would abuse the inexperience and naivety of a minor (14<25) and deceive them to enter into a damaging transaction for them. The praetor also provided more protection for minors through his edicts as well as the possibility of legal reinstatement (restitutio in integrum) with the effect of retroactive nullification of the legal transaction.

Because of those means of legal protection, minors did not enjoy the confidence of third parties in commerce. Therefore in the classical era of roman law (roughly around the era of the Principate (27 BC - 235 AD)) the magistrate would, on minors request, appoint them a curator for that specific transaction with whom the above mentioned means could not be as easily used. So starting from Marcus Aurelius (161 AD), a custom developed of appointing permanent curators for all minors transactions and in the post-classical era a permanent cura minorum was created for all persons under the age of 25. Finally, Justinian equalized cura and tutela and de facto moved the age of adulthood to 25 and the legal capability of minors was almost as that of impuberes infantia maiores except they could marry and make a will.

Also, in the post-classical era, a minor under the age of 25 could attain adulthood with the emperor's permission (venia aetatis) and would gain full capacity to conclude legal transactions (except alienation and hypothecation of immovable property) and would be freed from curatorship as well. In the later Empire (from Constantine) venia aetatis was granted only to men over 20 and women over 18.

>>16553628
That's a debate way outside the scope of this thread, but the short answer is that that's the law, so eroge have to comply, even if it's just the obligatory disclaimer when you start up the game.

>>16553645
No I mean I get its the law I just don't get why people get worked up over it, that person isn't 18 how dare you be attracted even though it's normal.
>>16553638
This is a way bigger response than I anticipated. Thank you.

I want to bully more 2d girls.

>>16553680

No one can type that response in 3 minutes, not even Clephas. It is copypasta, albeit a good read.

>>16553680
The long answer is from reddit.

>>16553645
It's not strictly against the law to make eroge depicting sex with explicitly underage 2D girls in Japan, right? It just makes it hard to officially publish/advertise it.

Why is insider so obscure? His scenario is higher quality than normal ones I think and Lovely Cation 2 was really popular.

>>16553628
Laws are made by old men. Men with wives, children, social bonds etc. Most of these men won't fuck young girls openly - they'll get crucified by society (doesn't stop them from hiring high school escorts in secret, though).

Instead they're worried about their daughters getting fucked - aka jealousy - by younger men. With women getting more say in law, even more so - who wants competition, right.

Hence the laws.

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>>16552099

All they have to do is kill the robot and instant 10/10 from the "feels" crowd

Has makeup ever been used in eroge? And has it ever made a difference on appearance?

>eroge talks about makeup and how schools don't allow them in school
>characters all look the same outside school

I mean seriously what's the point of mentioning it?

>>16554270
Only sluts wear makeup.

>>16552099
Seems like a lot of mixed reactions

What's a good minori game then?

>>16554312

ef

>>16554312
Bittersweet fools and ef.
too bad the first one is unvoiced.

>>16554325
>>16554409
Bittersweet seems interesting but
ef seems very religion heavy, is it?

>>16554624
no

what are some vanilla VNs worth learning japanese for?

>>16554714
The infinite number of worthwhile moege/charage like Lovely Cation 2

>>16554714
>vanilla?
Do you mean moege?

>>16554758
moege reminds me of lolis and i do not want that

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>>16554765

>>16554717
Not him but I see Lovely caution 2 and shilled here a lot.

I don't like the art but I listened to you guys and tried funeraba and I really liked it it was amazing. I'm gonna ask is Lovely Caution2 that great?

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>>16554775
Lovely Cation 2 is pretty good as a "Dating sim", well of course heroines are pretty charming and their routes are good as well but what makes it better / different than others is being dating sim and its art.

>>16554775
>I don't like the art
how is that possible

>>16554784
>>16554788
The art actually put me off I'm used to moege art like
ナツイロ ココロログ
オトメドマイン
マイテツ
I guess the art feels a bit outdated I mean it's not bad but it doesn't wow me.
Still i'll give it try.
I mean if you shill enough, I'll probably play it.

>>16554825
A moege is never worth playing if you don't like the art.

>>16554832
That the thing, happened to me for funeraba I only liked one of the characters, but I ended liking the game a bunch

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I wasn't ready to handle this level of quantum superstition.

>>16554765
Why are you EOPs this stupid?

>>16554922
very original joke
sasuga scatji

>>16555005
but im not eop

https://vndb.org/v18176

What is this? I was thinking of doing the original Aselia but if it's like a remake I might wait.
Wait is this even ever coming out? I see the vndb entry was added in 2015.

Is Ninki Seiyuu actually good? Anyone played it?

>>16555441
It's just ok.

>>16555251
I have no idea but that page says the remake is all ages, so I would just play the original.

>>16555548
That makes it even better.

I'm about to finish Paradise Lost, and want to start on DI afterwards. Just to make sure I get the order right, in order to see everything, I should play:

Acta est Fabula
KKK
Amantes amantes (side stories)
Kaziklu Bey

Does that seem about right?

>>16556076
yes

>be hot ikemen in eroge
>girls getting wet over me, guys say fuck you リア充! wanting to be me.
>during sex scenes with girls, I don't my see face, wtf
>how am I meant accurately insert as a hot ikemen if you don't show my
ikemen face
>The alternative is BL but you fuck guys and not girls so that doesn't work.
>I just wanna be a hot ikemen and have drooling girls over me not just personally wise and by physically is that so hard?

>>16556076
Add KKK AnH's extra chapters after normal KKK.

>>16556076
I didn't bother with the side stories myself so I can't comment when would be the best time to play them, but Amantes Amentes also has a new extended true ending for the final route that Acta est Fabula doesn't have. There's a choice at the very end, one leading to AeF ending and other to AA ending. KKK's all ages version also has side stories and extended epilogue.

Also a question of my own. I haven't played Kaziklu Bey yet and I remember hearing somewhere that it's supposedly a continuation to a drama CD or something? Is this true?

hey guys what should i read next

>>16557124
please bang my wife

Does Konata yori Kanata work in modern windows? Trying to play it on W10 but it crashes after the opening like this guy says http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11114424761 although he's on W7, but in egs there's people that have played on w7 and even on 10, but dunno how legit that chart is.

>>16557144
8.1 works fine here

>>16557135
no

>>16557149
mind telling me what version did you get?

>>16557124
I've just realized I have not played a single VN in 3 years.

Is this pic related still relevant?
>tfw huge backlog can't say this
>>16557124
Anyway what are you after?
Moege?
Plotge ?

>>16557245
Now that's a rec chart I can agree with.

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>>16557245
Forgot pic

>>16557249
It took way longer to upload and post than I thought...

>>16557228
My last was Steins;Gate in 2015. I really should read more.

>>16557249
>Majikoi is an A+
>Dies irae is an A
>muv-kuv is a B

Who made this?

>>16557298
*muv-luv

>>16557298
>muv-kuv is a B
There is no C rating so he had to go with B.

>>16557199
パッケージリニューアル版

>>16557298
That chart was made by Asceai. By the way, anyone knows what happened to that guy?

>>16557354
He achieved satori after retweeting some buddhist Linux guy and declaring Love Replica to be a kamige on twitter.

>>16557249
I take it Moshiraba is his favorite game ever.

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Don't you feel for character that gets picked on by the group for being stupid or funny I really hate that.
Those characters make boring daily conversations interesting.
I mean I get if they were being perverted, or harassing sure fine. I'm sure you all have seen a character like that in the eroges you've played

But if they were just making bad puns and having a time making jokes or even being stupid by their personality why do they pick on them I feel so bad I honestly want to hug them.
Pic related.

>>16557257
>>16557228
And one wonders why this thread gets so bad sometimes.

>>16557462
As long we talk about VNs that started off in Japanese, it should be fine.

>>16557462
I don't usually post in these threads, but I used to read untranslated stuff semi-regularly and was lamenting.

>>16557507
>>16557529
Fair enough.

>>16557529
I want more posts here, even if it's memes, screens shots, Twitter posts and even if I don't know what you guys are talking about it's so lonely here.

I get excited with every single post. Even if it's stupid. Fuck.

>>16557349
it works thanks

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The Fuck was her deal?

>>16557457
There is nothing more I hate than the fucking classic perverted sub male characters. I mean at least make them funny like Fukahire from Tsuyokiss, which was a huge plus for the game imo, what the fuck is all those "tits tits tits ass ass ass mature ero ero loli hehehehe" type retarded friends' point? They are not funny for sure and useless & annoying as fuck.

>>16557741

It's just as useful as incredibly forced accidental titgrabs, random zooms on tits and insane angles for CG to show the panties. The eroge illness.

>>16557741
Same I hate those shits, but I think it's meant to make you feel better about yourself.
Does it work?
Still I don't why the Mc hangs around a guy like them in the first place or even let's his girls near eye distance of that guy.
One day these characters are gonna lose it and start raping and shit put them down now.

>>16557781
I don't mind if it's nuking and gonna be Fucking them in a minute or something but for regular eroge yeah I agree it gets on me. Especially the zooms.

>>16557249
It's very old but eroge has been so shit since that chart was made that a new version would only have a handful of new additions. And you definitely shouldn't ignore good games just because they didn't come out in the last year or two.

>>16556138
Ah, I didn't know KKK had two releases. Unfortunately, it looks like nyaa only has torrents for AnH. Do you happen to know if those contain all content?

>>16557882
it does. it also has an extra scene in main scenario and 2 really good side stories. definitely go for it over 18+

>>16557249
France Shoujo is depressing? Because of the plot or because it never ends?

>>16557892
If it's all-ages it obviously doesn't contain all content from the 18+ version.
I imagine you'd want to read both, similarly to AeF and AA.

>>16557801
I dont think there is a single person who sees those retarded characters and think like "oh hey at least I'm better than those", its something equal to seeing a monkey picture and thinking like "hey at least I'm not a monkey" and feeling better.

>>16557904

I haven't played it, but I think those are just story-things. Though the length in combination with duplicated text will probably make you cry on its own.
>Also, there appears to be a significant amount of copypasta. Counting only the unique lines gives 116400 lines, 4.68 MB for SJIS text

I was always thinking of trying it one day for the heck of it. But I doubt I'd actually completely finish it.

>>16557892
>it also has an extra scene in main scenario
That's good to know. I suppose I'll go for the all-ages release. Thanks for warning.

What do you do when you don't wanna see the sex scene and wanna get on with plot.
Do you just lame it out?
Do you skip it?

>>16553628
I'm so sorry you can't fuck little girls you fucking pedophile. go fuck some goat instead.

>>16560677
Did you read my post?
I don't wanna fuck little girls I mentioned it in my post.
> I get lolige as they look like kids

I'm talking about people going through puberty as with all species on earth puberty is basically the body saying I'm ready to make kids.
Like take most eroge we read here most girls are under 18. Their bodies are ready to have kids and they fuck.

Why can't teens buy porn or if you have sex with a 17 year old its like having sex with a minor. Why is 18 considered the age for adulthood that was my question.

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>>16560677
I know right

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>>16560677
3D!=2D

Quick question in most eroge I've played girls have pain the first time they have sex and don't enjoy it, why do they continue?
Can they just lose their virginity the first insertion and they just rub themselves and they guy off. Then next time when it doesn't hurt they have proper sex.
I mean if the guy loves the girl why doesn't he just wait when it doesn't hurt?

Am I missing something?

>>16560767
Someone post the
挿入 >　「痛い！」　>　「あなたなら我慢する」　>　「段々気持ちよくなってきた」　>　「あん、あん、ああああん！」
screenshot.

>>16560767
It's just love and self-sacrifice. The girl loves you so much that she wants your first time with her to be a pleasurable experience and she doesn't want you to hold back for her sake. It hurts like hell for her but that doesn't matter as long as she knows you're enjoying it. It's a statement of how strong her feelings of love are, and it's beautiful.

>>16560795
Yeah I agree it's romantic but I mean hold back a little.

Like picture it like this

Mc holds back and does his first time calmly because he loves the girl and doesn't want their first time to be bad as they know it hurts for her. So he takes care and does things slowly and treats her right or just inserts to take the virginity and when they are both ready to go all the way.

Vs

Mc releases his desires and ignores the girl's pain bleeding and wails to fulfill his own desire.

I get what you're saying she's holding her ground to satisfy him. But still imagine your dick bleeding, and in pain while having sex you could have sex later when it's not bleeding or in pain.

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>>16560815
Fuck even the game is calling me out on my way of thinking

>>16560767
I always assume they're faking it to sound frail and cute. Never believe a woman, not even a 2D one.

Anyone noticed how this doujin game keep getting good ratings since the past few days?
http://egs.omaera.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game.php?game=24891
Anyone tried it?

>>16561159
Hadler read it

>>16561159
>>16561206
Hadler read it, as he said. His opinion on it is not very good, the game ends abruptly apparently. The high votes are just the usual "wow doujin so unique" shit.

>>16561159
Torrent where?

>>16556076
Don't forget to read Goethe's "Faust" before.

I want to play Dies Irae. Is it just one game? Why are there so many names for it?

>>16561307
There's editions with different content like many other games. Picking the newest released version is usually the best bet.
If you're talking about the series it starts with Paradise Lost.

>>16561322
Not him but I heard it's hard to read. In what way exactly?

Is it something like you can read the text but don't understand what the fuck is going on?
Like if I picked up a book on advanced economy or western philosophy. I can look up words but not fully understand it without background knowledge on the subject and form my own opinions.

Is it just worded different/old Japanese text like hanachirasu or something.
Or is it more chunige like silver vendetta?

>>16561445
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1L_9AR6pBI

>>16561445
It's not really hard. Just uses a grandiose writing style like usual in chuuni. Just download the game and give it a go.

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Finished Marelle's route in BSZ2. I really hope chapter 17 is worth doing it again, because the game skips the text really slow for me. I don't mind doing the gameplay parts again though. They were fun.

>>16561445
>I can look up words
Are you sure you want to look up words?

I know the DJT school of <reading> is that you look up majority of the words as you go in some flawed J-E dictionary and then try to force yourself to remember them through Anki, but I don't believe that's an enjoyable way to consume media. It will ultimately turn everything you consume into a slow grind. To grow your ability you definitely need to do that to some works, but you shouldn't do it to the ones you really want to enjoy.

Studying enough so you overcome the need to do this is the first step towards reading Dies Irae. To see if you're there you can and should test yourself with this >>16561456

Then the second step is overcoming the game's reliance on references to Western literature and such. Those are rare enough that I'd just look up as they appear. In many cases the game even explains them enough by itself, or they appear as furigana to a kanji compound that gives you enough of an idea to understand them.

>>16561445
It's worded differently. There are plenty of unusual words, but that's not what people refer to I think.
I haven't seen it in any other VN author to be honest. The closest thing was maybe Albatross, and the second closest would be some specific parts of Shumon Yuu stuff. While not as "grandiose" as the other anon pointed out, they both felt overly convoluted.
Haven't read Silverio but from screenshots getting posted it looked nothing like it.
>>16561547
He was clearly talking about looking up complex words that one would not encounter while studying. Where would you learn stuff like 鏖殺 or 那由他? When have you last seen 喇叭 not written in kana? That's what I got by just clicking three times on the prologue video. I'm pretty sure Masada himself sometimes just goes through a thesaurus to find whatever he needs. Actually, that's what most professional authors do anyways.

>>16561621
>Where would you learn stuff like 鏖殺 or 那由他? When have you last seen 喇叭 not written in kana?

In the games you read previously. 鏖殺 and 鏖/皆殺し are obviously the very basics of chuuni lingo.

>>16561547

If you think you can study a language till 100% comprehension.. no. You can't. You aren't even able to do so for your mother-language.
Expose yourself to language. A lot. And more. It's why it's best to live in an area where the language you want to learn is spoken naturally, so you have to interact with it all day. Like that you learn "what you need". And you will still see new words every now and then, although they become more and more rare and are more terminology than normal words, or "old/dead language" or whatever.

It's not part of this thread though. Provided people aren't outright stating they use automatic translations or make it really obvious they shouldn't be reading stuff in Japanese (i.e. posting a lot of BS and obviously not understanding what they "read"), we don't care here. That's best for everyone involved, too. Pointless drama.

>>16561647
>If you think you can study a language till 100% comprehension

Clearly I don't, otherwise I wouldn't specify my dislike as being towards looking up "majority" of the words. When that majority becomes a minimum of obscure stuff, you're good to go. Presumably you have to look up such minimum even in your native language.

>>16561668
Pro tip: To get to the point where you only look up the minimum you first have to look up the majority.

>>16561679
And doing that in the games you want to enjoy isn't an enjoyable thing to do.

>>16561668
>>16561679
>To get to the point where you only look up the minimum you first have to look up the majority.

Right, that's pretty much what I wanted to say with that. You "always learn" anyway. Sure you are "bad" at some point, but the only way out of that is to expose yourself to the language. A lot. Dictionary meanings of words are crap. You don't want to "translate" a language, you want to understand it. It starts with translation, it has to, but that stops at some point. And you can only get that by reading/listening or whatever.

Did you have language lesson in school? You read and speak way before you are done with vocabulary. It goes hand in hand. After some school years vocabulary tests and whatnot stop and you gotta do it yourself, as the "base" is built, after which it's only exposure. Mind you it's a pretty small base, too. After all school language study is super shoddy. Or in other words, if you don't invest into the language learned there yourself, it's barely enough to somehow hopefully get by should you ever need the language. But it's not gonna be fun. Japanese people learning English is even worse as the languages are so different. Which is why they usually suck so much, unless they lived some time in an English speaking country or have hobbies that utilize it a lot.

Someone has a voice patch for Scarlett?

>>16561698
Well, it's better than doing it in things you don't enjoy at all. You don't have to jump into your #1 game you're looking forward to, but there's probably a whole lot of other things that you want to play. I did Subahibi as my 3rd game or something and it was some of the most fun I ever had so I don't regret it one bit.

>>16561746
Holyseal
http://holyseal.net/cgi-bin/mlistview.cgi?prdcode=5561

>>16561754
Is it smart to study if you don't enjoy what's gonna be the majority of said studying - studying itself?

But I guess we're getting too off from the thread's course.

>>16561772
thanks, speed sucks but oh well

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Cute

>>16560767
Kana's first scene in Akeiro was like that. I thought it was a great choice by the writer.

>>16561906
>Kana's first scene in Akeiro was like that.
Velvet's also had nice stuff. Probably the first time ever in eroge I've played that the sexually inexperienced protagonist cums instantly by touching the girl's pussy with his dick.

>>16561906
>>16561934
That's so cute so do they just stop and do it later?
So she doesn't feel pain?

>>16560676
I skim it.

explosion

>>16561279
I read book 1, but dropped book 2 at around the time the homonculus showed up because I didn't get anything anymore.

Is that good enough?

>>16561934
Didn't Velvet also have the "do you want me to regrow my hymen?" part, or am I mixing it up with something else?

>>16560815
The second one sounds more hot actually but whatever right? Different strokes for different folks.

>>16562484
I know... I realized after I typed it but was aiming for a more moege feel.

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>>16562440

>>16562484
Not him but I don't find causing pain hot. But it seems most men do, which is why rape nukige is common.

>>16562535
It feels like keying your own car.

>>16562535
I don't find causing pain hot but rather the whole dominating and going all out in sex. Like really wild sex and tons of sweating and panting.

>>16562535
i'm with you on this one.
it's a shame i only like it when the girl is noticeably enjoying herself because japan really seems to hate that stuff. and the 'she hates it but then slowly starts liking it towards the end' is just as awful if not worse.

but i keep reading these porn powerpoints. truly i am trapped in a cage of my own devising.

>>16562527
To those who don't know, she says どっかん and a sfx explosion happened on screen. This happens many times.
It was so random and weird.

I miss this game, it's probably my favorite eroge

>>16562586
Sorry I mean special effects explosion with sound effects

>>16562579
But if you can walk out, its not a cage. Use food puns next time they're more fun

>>16561934
I've seen that a couple of times, but usually it only makes the protagonist's dick even harder and then he usually ejaculates another several gallons of semen everywhere.

>>16561934

>sexually inexperienced protagonist cums instantly by touching the girl's pussy with his dick.

Are there even scenes like it that in VNs doesn't involve NTR? I know premature ejaculation doesn't exactly makes a hot scene for majority of people, but I like the awakward situations on MCs first sexual experience with a girl because I feel that what's supposed to happen on someone's first sex, instead of the MC able to jackhammer the girl for minutes and make her cum on the top of that.

>>16562586
What's the title?

You guys are stupid. I've played enough nukige enough to know that virgin cock is mightier than anything.

>>16562597
>>16561934
This reminds me of the premature ejaculator MC from Tonakoi and Ryouka treating him like a little kid in her H-scenes. Masochist heaven.

>>16562463
She did indeed mention that in a later scene, to which the protagonist says she doesn't have to since he doesn't want to hurt her every time they have sex.

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>>16562600
Hatsuyuki sakura

I love this game so much
It got eroge game of the year in 2012 if I remember correctly

Aya is best girl

>>16562597
Oh, also the MC from Doshikuro. In fact a big plot point was actually to cure him from premature ejaculation. Urara's route was hot as fuck, she actually uses that as an excuse to steal him from Hime.

>>16562597
mildly interested in this as well, i've seen so many mediocre sex scenes the arousal part is completely lost. might as well try for the 'realism' or at least comedic/d'aww moment angle.

first time scenes are always unfappable anyway

>>16562617
Thanks.

>>16562611
Don't diss hes a cool mc

He doesn't premature ejaculated in other routes. Her route was bullshit

Red heads route he has sex for Fucking hours I repeat hours, and he doesn't prematurely ejaculate. How alpha is that?

Also he's an ikemen so it doesn't matter either way, he should lift though

>>16561934
I don't know why but thats pretty hot.

I'm imagining a really buff guy just rubbing the tip of his dick on a loli's キツキツ. She's so scared if it'll fit or not and he keeps rubbing, and she's all struggling with her little body and really feels from it and then she cums.

The buff guy says its wet enough and tries to put it in but almost immediately ejaculates all over her and she's panting from just cumming and in a state of relief that it didn't enter.

>>16562617
Wasn't it a colossal disappointment? I remember reading many such opinions back then here, I ended up not even checking it out beyond the prologue. Am I mistaking it for something else?

>>16562684
Maybe?

I remember going on a archived 2ch thread and people were spouting memes and shit like crazy about it.
It was kinda nostalgic

>>16562684
82 on egs, seems worth a try.

>>16562692
It's got some better scores on vndb
https://vndb.org/v7302

Still don't know how much you guys trust those reviews.
Even if it is untranslated

>>16562684
It's a very highly regarded work by a highly regarded writer, Nijima Yuu. It gets memed in the same way other big titles like Subahibi or Dies get memed - aka people hating it to be contrarian.

>>16562719
Still sad about the music NTR in shin*ai
I haven't played it and it's sitting on my computer

Wait is that spoiler? I'll still tag it

What are you guys gonna read today?

>>16562904
学園退魔！ホーリー×モーリー. I still need time to recharge my energy for a scenario-intensive read.

>>16562904
I'm reading Sakura no uta I'm at Makoto's first sex scene I'm waiting for it to end.

She's cute and some parts and really romantic but some parts fall short, which makes me sad. (;_;)

>>16562904
Rance Quest
Have to get the series finished in time for X's release

Dear My Abyss torrent when?

>>16562904

Aqua. Only in chapter 5 though.

How is Witch's Garden by Windmill Oasis?

>>16563037
The best e-mote in the eroge industry so far. The story, characters etc are kinda average or slightly better than average, but just having that awesome e-mote makes it worth of trying at least imo.

>>16563086
What does it do better than Maitetsu?

>>16563089
Its really hard to explain but it has definitely better e motes than maitetsu, at least imo. check it out yourself; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2eResgAdgc

>>16562651
Yeah, I don't think Akeiro's protagonist less of a man because of premature ejaculation. I actually think more games should have that sort of thing since it's usually weird for a heroine to be 初々しいマグロ女 in her first sex scene whereas the also virgin protagonist handles her like an expert. I think it completely misses the cuteness of both parties being tumbling lovable idiots who don't know what exactly they're doing and fail at having optimal sex on their first try.

And besides, in that scene the protagonist goes for a second shot anyways so it's not like it ends up being a ドＭ type ridiculing matter or mark of shame for him.

I might be losing it but sakura no uta's songs sound so familiar like are they remixes or just other version of an existing song?

I mean one time I was playing a guy came up and asked me the song's name, it seemed familiar to him, he said if it was a certain songs name but I forgot what he said.
Now when I play I hear the music I feel like it resembles all sorts of songs I've heard before.

I keep meaning to ask but what's the deal with people in this threas using random Japanese 言葉 in the middle of their English posts when they could just use the English word?

>>16563249
Most do it for fun, but some Japanese words have no equivalents in English with the same nuance.

>>16563249
Was a meme a while ago with words like "onegai" etc. Seems like some autists like you still remember it.

Or theoretically it might be actually a useful thing to do in some cases where the Japanese term says everything clearly and the English equivalent is hard to find.

>>16563237
Is it Erik Satie? Eroge writers are in love with him in the same way they're all in love with Schrodinger's Cat.

>>16563249
It's fun and some words are hard to say in english.
Like
なんのへんてつもない

>>16563263
Not sure the guy who asked me came up when I was on the common route or rin's route when the male teacher was drinking in the art room and asked about the music that was playing.

Just got the over sky end in in C;C. That was amazing. They may as well made the game linear instead of starting again to do the heroines chapter which I don't feel like doing at all, having to go for a slow start after what all happened is retarded.

>>16563296
Haven't played Sakura no Uta myself, but SubaHibi had both Piccadilly and Dreamy Fish.
https://youtu.be/sScd15eyoUU
https://youtu.be/5HPOGUAsRHU
I don't think it had Gymnopedie, but a bunch of other eroge have.
https://youtu.be/S-Xm7s9eGxU

>>16563318
Just stop now, the heroines chapters are mostly boring with only a couple of highlights and the true end is shit. You've already read the good part of the VN anyway.

>>16563249
nandemonai

>>16563437
Don't listen to this guy.

>>16563437

Listen to this guy.

>>16563771
>>16563857
I am confused! ( ﾟдﾟ)

>>16563940
Third guy here. The game, especially most of the things after the common route are pretty divisive, some like and some hate them. I didn't like most of the routes either, but you should probably just play them and form your own opinion if you were left wanting more after the common route ending.

>>16563318
I wouldnt have minded having to go back and do the other routes if they were actually good. There was maybe good route that I enjoyed and the rest felt really forced.

>>16563973
Normally I agree with the "read it and decide for yourself" attitude, but in C;C's case I didn't really want to read the heroine routes but did it anyway and now I feel I wasted my time and should've just gone and read something better. So if you want to read them, sure, but there's no need to force yourself through them.

>>16563973

If the game would just not be so fucking damn slow with literally everything. If you could reach the new routes within 5-10 minutes and if you don't enjoy it THAT much skim through the text, it's different. But we are talking about HOURS of pure skipping (and annoying "breaks" all the time where you have to do something for the branching) and skimming is also impossible as you can't advance the text faster than like one box per second or so, let alone the effects.. and possible crashs. (remember to quicksave often.. god I hate that game engine so much)

>>16564321
I found the game would crash after switching from windowed to fullscreen, so I'd skip text for an hour in windowed while doing something else on the other monitor, then switch to fullscreen to read, a few seconds later the game crashes and I have to do all that skipping again. What a disaster.

>>16561540
The only new thing you get from the extended Marel ending (which is kind of a "true" one, I guess?) is one dialogue with Marta (some stuff about Scavenger mostly). The third ending is completely nothing new, so I wouldn't really bother getting it.

>>16562921
Tell me if that gets better, I read the prologue and it was so boring I couldn't endure to wait until the porn.

>>16555010
Asou Ei was the one in charge of Makoto's route btw

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>>16562597

Gusha no Kyouben has scenes like that. Hell, first H scene with Orino doesn't involve penetration at all. They both kisses each other until she was out of breath because she wants to kiss MC as long as possible, they carefully both touch each other's body then slowly focused on parts where they both feel good when touched, the MC cums seconds after she touches his dick, and then he can't continue and falls asleep. The scene really feels like two adolescent couple discovering their sexuality. When he did take her virginity in the second scene, he instantly blows his load inside her. But after that the scene played like what >>16562596 said though, where he continues to plows her until he cums again. And there's the fact that the girls actively describe their feelings during the sex in each route, which is impossible to happen during someone's first time, but that's just me being nitpicky.

>>16565290
Yeah, Gusha no Kyouben handled it really well. You obviously have to strike a balance between realism and erotic sex scenes, so they kept the clearly inexperienced and natural-feeling sex but portrayed it in a way that's still plenty arousing for the reader.

Man, the beginning of Looking Glass insects in Subahibi is just way too damn good. The way they redo RH1just blows my mind, and also the atmosphere is incredible. Zakuro's point of view is probably my favorite so far. Really great stuff.

>>16565469
Looking Glass Insects is inarguably the best part of Subahibi, Zakuro and Kimika make such a great pair.
>It seems they're also bringing back the Cyrano de Bergerac stuff. Zakuro even referenced the prologue quote again, so I think that might be something important.
Astute

I know most a eroge companies try to sound cute with their names
Peasoft
Marlmalade
Petit pajamas

Just cute things I guess, or just random English words trying to sound cute

But why do I see tinkle in some of them? Tinkle kinda means urine. Did nobody say anything?

>>16565661
a) they're probably going off the onomatopoeia of bells rather than the slang for pee
or else
b) that is exactly what was intended

Say, in the Muramasa prologue when Saginuma says he didn't care what Kakei would do and just go for the throat stab anyway as soon as he made a move, why was he even waiting for him to make a move in the first place if he really didn't care?

I really like how in Utawarerumono 2, all female characters don't all immediately fall in love with Haku, and in fact many have crushes/love other people, even major female characters. For instance:

- One main female character is looking for love in general so she clings to various men throughout the story
- Nekone is a massive brocon, and Haku is not her brother, to be clear.
- One main female character has a crush on Oshutoru cause he's so cool, so she blushes whenever he walks in

Stuff like this basically. It honestly feels weird, but good, to see main female characters feel romantic/feminine emotions for characters other than the protagonist. I think this is kind of helps display why a route structure focused on pure love with heroines can be detrimental to a story. These characters either couldn't exist or would have to be significantly changed in order to be objects of pure vanilla love to satisfy arbitrary routes nowadays. By eschewing that, Utawarerumono 2 develops characters that aren't necessarily 10/10 deepest of all time, but are interesting and a fresh break from all the main female characters in a game immediately falling in love with MC and never showing any romantic affection for any other male ever.

As a side note, I also think U2 is one of the only VNs I've ever read that didn't feel as if its cast was truncated due to sprite limitations. There are so many characters with sprites, it truly feels like an expansive world of various individuals, as opposed to say... to compare to another fantasy, as opposed to Aiyoku which feels empty with very few characters with sprite. If compared to a normal game like a moege, holy crap, not even the same league, with there often not even being sprites for side characters, only for fuckable heroines.

>>16563237
>>16563263
>>16563296
>>16563336
I think I found one of the songs that sounds like something I heard before, I'm very certain the guy wasn't talking about this song however.

https://youtu.be/FLMslk6pYDk
From about 10 seconds in
sounds like this track
https://youtu.be/P6-pEhrJsCw
About 35 seconds in
The second video goes on a bit longer I know but for ages I kept trying to remember where I heard that part of the bgm before.

Some other parts of the track are kinda familiar just that one bit stuck out the most

Sometimes I kinda wish that I could skip sex scenes, or have them at the end of route when everything is done and over.

But then I remember chronoclock ...

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>>16566504

Anybody know any similar ripoffs of songs or anything

https://youtu.be/4FStyG2WYAk
Most of the song but mainly apparent from 0:30

https://youtu.be/aNQvLECht08
Same here but more apparent from 1:00

>>16564699
Yeah, I'm just going to get through the route one more time, see what happens after chapter 16 and then I'm done with the game.

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Did anybody finish danganronpav3?
I found most of it mediocre to decent, except the last two chapters.
Which were perhaps one of the hypest moments I've played in gaming.

Also what do you think of the schrodinger's world ending? I found it amazing to use a thought paradox experiment and turn it into an ending like that.

>>16566819

I played only 1, and that was already exactly like that. I don't think the game's structure allows for more. Of course it's not very interesting when you have like 15 random clichés, most of which are throw-away characters to play the roles of victims/murderers and won't really matter for the story anyway. Would be fine, if the cases would be exciting and fun to play, but at least Danganronpa 1 didn't manage that very well. Most of the time you immediately knew who did it and the game still forces you to go through several obviously wrong ideas and shit. And when then the protag suddenly sees a tiny detail like a minor piece of plastic that he has seen before lying at a different place.. it's just stupid.


Danganronpa is arguably hard to pull of satisfactory, players have different amounts of "intelligence" and ability to logically piece together a given mystery case, but I feel Danganronpa is worse than it should've been. For one thing, the "Watson" should exist for the people a bit less intelligent, so the protagonist/detective doesn't have to be a dunce a lot of the time which just clashes with actually solving mysteries. Well, "muh self-insert" maybe..

>>16566903
Not him, but your thoughts mirror mine. I'm baffled that Danganronpa 2 and 3 get as much discussion as they do when 1 was so strikingly mediocre to me. Baffled as in, no clue how 2 and 3 could be so much better by the same guy.

>>16562684
Some people seem to love it. I'm not sure if I'm in the minority because I've played the trial and I hated almost everything about it.

>>16566903
>>16566939
>>16567079
All the games a weak start, boring middle but a strong end.
Though I agree 1 was the weakest entry, the mysteries and story weren't that great. All the murderers were incredibly simple and pretty easy to figure out. Even then you only grow attached to a few characters and they don't get along as well.

As for 1's ending everybody knew that the outside world was bad from touko, who knew about the outside world, but they had hope and went forward. It's not really the same as as they already knew the situation just not the extent, while in v3 they don't what which is which it's 50/50 they don't if it's bad or good.

V3 improves on this by miles, you grow so attached to the characters that it feels so weird not seeing them when they're dead. You see them pouring their hearts out saying they're not the killer, you see stupid interactions and them grow as friends only to betray and murder, you see the detectives themselves refuse to listen to their own mind and reasoning but to their heart due to how close they get.
Some are really emotional some aren't but the mysteries really improved. In the later games it's like if they got a decent writer.
My problem as I mentioned before is the really good parts come at the end. The beginning is weak but the is so strong.
I even got bored and wanted to stop half way but by the end I wanted more.

It's a really crazy ride.

>>16567373
Obviously moege fans accept that there are stories where every female character doesn't love the protagonist. You don't see them burning down cinemas or libraries.
They just have a Don't Tread On Me attitude when it comes to pure love stories. They do this because it works. There is no game called "Doukyuusei 3".
I'm not even saying what they are doing is right, I'm saying that if you post on /pol/ and say "I am in an open relaitonship with my wife and she has a boyfriend named Tyrone" the reason they called you a cuck is because you asked to be called a cuck.
You're taking a realistic, some would say nihilistic, view on love when talking to one of the very few groups of idealists on the subject in the world. /pol/ cares about preserving the white race, /jp/ cares about Haruka and Sakura and Asuka.
You keep saying what you want about VNs, but you will never have a productive discussion with people by going after their closest held beliefs. If you keep talking about the kind of stories you love and getting called a cuck until the cows come home, I'd respect you for it. My hope is that you understand the other point of view, and know why they keep calling you a cuck.