Visual Novel translation status >Amagami - 1st day patch

Sekai/Denpa
WEE 3 - Late December release
Grisaia no Meikyuu - Uncut release late December
Grisaia no Rakuen - Steam release March, uncut release early Summer
Memory's Dogma - Code:01 Released, 02 onwards upcoming
2236 A.D. - 100% translated, Engine/QA work ongoing
>Maitetsu - 77.64% translated
Nenokami - Part 2 98.27% translated
Kokonoe Kokoro - 100% translated, engine work
Creature to Koi Shiyo - 100% translated, engine work
>Chrono Clock - 71.15% translated, kickstarted finished
Narcissu 3rd - TL+Editing done
>Tenshin Ranman - 78.54% translated
Darekoi - 100% translated Engine/QA work ongoing
Wagamama High Spec - 100% translated. Editing/Engine work ongoing
>Koikuma - 19.28% translated
Hoshizora no Memoria - 81% translated
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
Ley Line - Engine/QA work ongoing
SakuSaku - Engine/QA work ongoing
Baldr Sky - Picked up both 1 and 2
Fatal Twelve - Picked up
Project Lux - Picked up
Her and Her and My 7 Days - 11% translated
Girls in Glasses - Picked up
Unannounced Project 1 - 100% translated, Engine/QA work ongoing
>Unannounced Project 2 - 22% translated
Unannounced Project 3 - 100% translated


Frontwing
Grisaia: Phantom Trigger - April 28th release for Volumes 1 and 2
Grisaia no Senritsu - 2016 release
Corona Blossom - Volume 3 IGG starting around December 20th, early 2017 release
Sharin no Kuni - 2nd Kickstarter ongoing, goal reached, August 2017 release
Island - Picked up


Visual Arts
Little Busters - Picked up
Rewrite+ - Picked up
Angel Beats - 50% translated


Degica
Muv Luv Alternative - Winter release
Muv-Luv Photonflowers - Translation started
Muv-Luv Photonmelodies - To follow Photonflowers
Schwarzesmarken - Through Greenlight
Kiminozo - Picked up


Aksys
Period Cube - 4/25 release
Collar x Malice - 2017 release
Bad Apple Wars - 2017 release
Code: Realize fandisc - Picked up


Fruitbat
Hakoniwa no Gakuen - 100% translated, in editing, Spring 2017 release
Seven Days - Late 2017 release


Other
>Se-rua - Released on Android
>LoveKami Divinity Stage - December 16th release
Taisho Alice - December release for the 4 chapters planned
Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra - Common/Mari/Calen/4 Bonus routes translated, Aoi 70%, Lycoris 50%, March 2017 release
Dies irae - Prefundia up for upcoming Kickstarter, May 2017 release planned
Love Sweets - Picked up
Noratoto - Picked up
Hyakka Hyakurou - Picked up
SubaHibi - Official release planned
Himawari to Koi no Kioku - On Steam Greenlight
Short Whirlpool title scheduled for Spring
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

>Himawari - Released

What's all the hype about this no name lolige?

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>>16241633
It has one of the best soundtracks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5PjCt2AsvA

and also it was god like back in it's day. So much so it would be advertised with Island on DSLite.

Anyone have OST of Hinawari? I bought this game yesrerday and really love the music.

Unfortunately, my country didn't like torrent. Therefore please don't give any tracker. Thanks in advance

>>16241708
Dude i agree it does have a great OST. I wish Mangagamer would just sell the Himawari OST alongside the game. I would grab it in a heart beat even if it was 10$.

>>16241700
Sounds kind of boring imo.

>Se-rua - Released on Android

What is this? I can't seem to find an entry on either vndb or the play store itself.

>>16241694
I wonder when MG is going to hit 1 million sales.

>>16241694
I heard Moekuri will be 12$ that is actually not too bad for a game.

>>16241623
>>Himawari - Released
Torrent where?

>>16242339
Last thread, search nyaa

>>16242012
Its possible it can be soon thanks to Rance and a couple of future heavy hitters next year.

5 percent on Maitetsu in one week.
I will fap to loliae yet.

>>16241993
See this post from the last thread.
>>16224519

It probably would have gone completely unnoticed, had the translation company hired to translate Libra not included it in their list of recent projects alongside Libra.

what happened with baldr sky? did they find a new translator or comment on the r-18 content yet?

also does anyone know how well kyonyuu fantasy did? I'd really like to get the fandiscs.

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Is Himawari getting an ero patch? Seems like the original released had such scenes.

>>16243065
http://steamcommunity.com/app/554290/discussions/0/217691032431072412/
http://blog.mangagamer.org/2016/12/07/himawari-the-sunflower-translators-corner/

>>16243077
Getting ripped apart by the steamtards as they should.

>>16243065
They would have to redo all the art for the ero content if they were to ever make a patch.

>>16243077
>http://steamcommunity.com/app/554290/discussions/0/217691032431072412/
Why don't the people seem to get that the remake is exactly that? A remake with new art, so it is impossible to transfer the content from the original to the remake without it looking out of place.

>>16243168
Steamtards are absolute idiots, that's why.

>>16242439
It they do a ton of bundles maybe.

>>16243065
MG doesn't do 18+ patches and the remake of Himawari they're releasing never had ero to begin with. The art doesn't match the 18+ version.

>>16243077
Someone actually linked Steamspy to point out how badly Himawari was selling in order to discourage more vns with 18+ content removed being released on Steam. Impressive.

>>16242439
MG isn't selling 800k a year under any reasonable circumstances. More prominent game titles may help, but it'll take at least 5 years.

>>16243489
I'm not really sure how accurate that is. Doddler is perfectly fine with loli content (don't tell the Canadians I said that), and I know Kouryuu is as well. Hell, Kouryuu retweets stuff from Prism Illya and I've had a discussion with him about it. That show is filled to the brim with loli fanservice, much of it bordering on outright pornography. That's just two people, but I believe Haro once said that a lot of MG staff are OK with lolicon content (if you believe her)

It might just be a case of that kind of territory being relatively grey. I don't know. I can't speak for the entire situation.

>>16243592
>MG isn't selling 800k a year under any reasonable circumstances
A few popular bundles could go a long way towards making up those numbers.

>>16243596
What the main issue would be would be the translators. Doddler is a programmer and can't work on the game for obvious reasons due to his probation. And Kouryuu may be okay with it on a personal level, but as a business an obviously loli title could be considered too risky.

>>16243613
They had bundles last year and haven't come even close. And now they can't offer free Steam keys for MG purchases, so more people will start buying off of Steam.

>>16241700
Is this the old or new bgm?

>>16242702
More info next con, or end of year, or near release, or 6 months after all-ages.

>>16243168
>They would have to redo all the art for the ero content if they were to ever make a patch.

The so called "only 3 scenes" seem to imply it is a cheap and easy job. Not to mention the "It fades to black so it is still happening" make it sound easy to insert.

It is just censorship as usual.

>>16244171
It should be self-evident from the completely different art style that it's not as easy as simply inserting the H-scenes of the original doujin version. They are practically 2 different games. It's like trying to force scenes from Rance I into Rance 01.

>>16244203
Lolicon means "lolita complex" it literally refers to pedophilia, "lolicon" is even 和製英語 for pedophilia in Japan, get your facts rights.
Lolicon = pedophile.

And that game MG released is a loli game, because the main girl looks like a 13 years old.

>>16244228
She looked like a 7 years old in the original.

>>16244228
Your problem is of course that pedophile does not mean pedophile. Because people found it hilarious to change the meaning all the time so now it just means child rapist.

>>16244228
>the main girl looks like a 13 years old.
She is look like some alien species, what with her unhuman big eyes and head.

>>16244228
13 is too old for pedophilia, but nice fucking try.

>>16244171
>It is just censorship as usual.
I don't think you know what you are talking about. If it was "censorship" then it would be a release where the remaster had them in and they removed them in the all ages version. But in this case they were never in there in the first place as the remaster is a different thing to the original release.
And it isn't a simple and easy job as you would have to go and pay money to the original dev to be allowed to create the new art as they own the characters and also probably hire the original artist to make the new content. There is even the chance they could deny them to create the H-content meaning it would be impossible to do.
Saying it is simple and cheap is just you talking out your ass.

>>16244269
Haven't you read? You can ignore every trait that seems to be alien or animal and just focus on breast size and length. Loli is someone who is short and has below B cup.

>>16242054
Actually, it's more like fapping to furshit and being called a zoophile.

>>16244370
The job is cheap and easy. What other humans do to make it a pain and expensive is out of my control.

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>>16244374
I am also short and have no breast. Guess I am count as loli then.

>>16244394
Sadly you are real, so if you have an ID or a friend that can testify, you aren't a loli. If someone draws an image of you, you become a loli. The miracle of law paragraphs.

>>16244391
Unfortunately the job includes all the red tape and corporate intervention which can't be overlooked. If it was as simple as just hiring some web artist to make up some CGs in the same art style then everyone would be doing it. And not in just the VN medium, you would have films with extra scenes shot in the same vein as the original by another director, books with extra chapters not wrote by the original author etc. While there are examples of these happening it is usually done with permission and usually royalties are paid.

>>16243077
Steamtards are so fucking stupid. Well, at least they'll help us continue to get moege.

>>16244567
Hopefully this fad of EOP releases will end soon.

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>>16244757
Wait warmly for January...

>>16243077
Is everything censorship to these people?

>>16244871
Considering how many shitty localization companies there are, I can't blame people for being trigger happy with the word.

Do Steamdrones not realize the irony of complaining about no porn in the very platform they are using?

>>16244871
No, remaking a game with less nudity is censorship. If they add nudity though, I don't know what it would count as. But as that never happens and will never happen, we don't have to know.

>>16245436
i would agree, but in this particular case G.O. wanted those changes made. it isn't like someone went and cut the porn without the author's consent.

>>16244791
What happens then?

>>16245441
The problem is that it is cut without the customers consent. Which means fewer customers buying it. There are very few companies left in this world who sell games to customers instead of to their own egos.

>>16245545
I feel you man, I hate it when authors publish their creative vision instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator

>>16243596
Kouryuu is actually the translator for Prism Illya I think...

>>16245567
He still wrote in the sex. He just decided that he could save CG money by not drawing it. And then he claims it is "artistic choice to make the game as I wished it was".

It is bullshit. If he had removed the sex completely, then it would at least appear as if he wanted to go another direction. But he still wants them to fuck, just not with matching CGs.

>SubaHibi - Official release planned
Sauce? Haven't been on /jp/ for a year or so.

>>16245656
Honestly "planned" needs to be put in the biggest air quotes possible because no one has heard jack shit about it other than it's supposedly a thing.

>>16245656
Don't bullshit, the status has been like this last year too.

>>16245656
Was fan-TLed and planned to be released around the middle of 2015, saying that while the translation was done they needed a few weeks to edit and QC it. After a few months of silence, around the end of 2015 we were told KeroQ had gotten the completed fan-TL and were planning to release it themselves. Everyone was told that more information would be coming in 2016.

We haven't heard anything since.

>>16245683
The best assumption is to assume that the project died with KeroQ. Fairly sure they never planned on releasing it anyway.

>>16245619
>He just decided that he could save CG money by not drawing it
You can't seriously believe this is the reason for it, can you?

>>16245545
And does it say that a creator is required to get the "customer's" consent to modify their work?

It's funny how you also think that everyone who would want to buy this game has your desire for a few h-scenes.

>>16245619
Holy shit anon you are positively retarded.

Out of curiosity why hasn't Sekai announced Astral Air yet?

>>16245992
Might as well save it for one of the big cons

Lovely Cation is still actually happening right? It hasn't moved for like over a month now

The sex scenes are in Himawari even in the android version, it's just less explicit.
People cry censorship for everything.

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Are you part of Team Sunflower?

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>>16245756
Even if KeroQ decides to not release it, someone on the translation team will do it eventually, they released a patch that translates almost everything except Jabberwocky I and II

How's Himawari doing saleswise? It's a really good game, it would be a shame if it does bad.

>>16246065
since they accepted money for the translation already, pretty sure they would get into legal trouble for that

>>16246076
Everyone should torrent it instead.

>>16246076
don't support mg

>>16246100
Don't tell me what to do with my money, you piece of shit

>>16246109
Yet you're implying that you want others to buy it as well. The ironing.

>>16246116
>Yet you're implying that you want others to buy it as well.
No I'm not.

>>16246118
Yes you are, and you're shilling it too. For shame.

>>16246126
I did none of those things.

>>16242117
http://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1005

You can already preorder it for $10.

>>16246100
Why?

>>16246263
he doesn't get royalties, you retard. you aren't supporting anyone except Frontwing, MG, and Steam (if you buy it on there)

>>16246306
Duh, everybody knows translators get jack shit but it's nice to support something they personally worked on.

Oh looking like chronoclock will be good https://twitter.com/puffketeer/status/807653208411799553 actually no. Looks like more mangagamer rejects working for sekai.

Apparently Himawari is selling worse than the Sakura games on Steam even though Himawari is on sale, kek

>>16246027
Pls respond

>>16246375
which reject is this one? is that the guy who got fired for fucking up ImoPara?

>>16246306
No shit Sherlock.

>>16246065
It also has a random script from Jabberwocky II the moogster translated himself.

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That bit at the end is interesting. Back when his pussy grabbing comment blew up and people were asking him if they should boycott mangagamer, he also said something to effect of "please don't boycott them, they translate loli games and they still pay me!"

This is just crazy longshot speculation, but I wonder if he's pushing to get mangagamer to pick up a tanukisoft game. That'd really be something if it were the case because their games are pretty pedo(more than galette, less than iris).

Just something to keep in mind when the hints for next year get put up.

One of you guys with an ask.fm account could try asking him if he thinks mangagamer would actually publish a tanukisoft game.

>>16246499
>the moogster translated himself.
Guess it's a bad translation, then

>>16246076

It's charted for 4 weeks and given the volume of orders in the four weeks it charted, I'd wager somewhere around 250 sales on their site so far+whatever sales on steam.

>>16246076
Charting on the Steam best sellers list thus far seem to indicate it is going to be another disappointment, although not a Myth level disaster.

Himawari though was always likely to have problems selling, for reasons that have been extensively discussed in these threads before the release. As to its sales though, the writing was on the wall yesterday, when the early number of people playing on Steam looked limited, even compared to a couple other MG titles that went on to be disappointments. These niche, not well known titles selling on their good reception, something only known to a small slice of the potential market, have never done particularly well, and the era of putting a title on Steam and having a hit is long gone. Its hope remains a long tail, clawing out a success overtime by letting its reputation make sales as people become aware of it, like Fata Morgana has been able to do to some degree. That said, the idea that an off Steam release, or an H-patch for Steam would have had dramatic results is also unlikely, as while it surely would have boosted sales some, it would not have accomplish much with the bigger visibility problem for an unknown, $35 (well $30 on sale), title.

>>16246593

I wouldn't count himawari out quite yet. While it's weak in sales, it isn't a low cost title. Given it's initial performance, so long as it doesn't immediately cease selling, it may end up doing gahkthun tier numbers. Not particularly a success, but atleast made back the costs and some change. Though, whether frontwing would be happy with those numbers is a different story.

>>16246619
I would agree with that, if it were tracking like Myth then it would basically be dead, but it looks to be doing well enough that it could very well go on to make back costs (and as stated, it has a promising tail ahead of it, following in Fata Morgana's footsteps, with an Island boost in the cards as well). Nevertheless, its launch isn't exactly encouraging, and it is going to be well below the expectations MangaGamer must have had when they picked up the title, and probably below even revised, more realistic expectations.

>>16246641
Unfortunately for them, unlike Fata I doubt the license was cheap considering the VA work on the title, not to mention that Frontwing is a big studio.

>>16246650

Licensing the VAs perhaps, if it was necessary, but for the actual game itself mangagamer's agreements are more royalty based than upfront money to my knowledge.

>>16246593
is it a good game though? translator says its a kamige but of course he would

>>16246806
Seems like a solid 8/10+ to me on the "5.5 is average objective quality but most material that people consume is at or above an objective average quality anyway".

>>16246838
then why worry? good games will sell.

>>16246865
>good games will sell

lol

>>16246424
This guy's an editor, not a translator.

>>16241623
>>Amagami - 1st day patch Released for PS2/PSP, "2021/2308 original edition scenario scripts translated (87.6%)

Is this....real life? actual progress?

>>16246593
Even if they had released the 18+ doujin version, I really have to agree that it likely wouldn't have increased sales.

Do you think MG got too lax on the marketing and were perhaps too reliant on its reputation to push the product? Come to think of it, outside of small circles, I really haven't heard shit about Himawari. And it blends in so well on Steam amongst a crowded market full of trash.

I think the only hope the title has is that some people pick it up, like it, and get enthusiastic about it, like what I think happened with Fata. But even then this looks pretty bad.

Though, I do have to admit some slight satisfaction seeing the various "big-names" in this community getting upset--realizing that their endorsement of various titles largely falls upon deaf ears. People like Moogy have absolutely no sense of scope when it comes to this market, they deserve to have their egos crushed a bit, as they are so thoroughly full of themselves.

>>16247197
Reminder that the average EOP sees Himawari as "a no name lolige and the art looks as expected."

>>16247032

Just two more years to go!

>>16247210
The art part was talking about the original, wasn't it?

The no-name lolige part never gets old though.

>>16247219
The original unironically sticks out a bit more. The remake has better art (though I can't stand those cheeks) but it also looks more generic. There's absolutely nothing about Himawari that stands out on the surface level. Absolutely nothing. It may be a treasure on the inside, but a Steamtard will see it and immediately discard it because it looks like more of the same.

>>16247197

There's nothing mangagamer could have done for himawari except giving out steam codes to the people who bought it on their site in hopes of generating early steam reviews(since it seems like a decent chunk of people bought it on their site).

The only kind of "marketing" that would have helped is giving some youtube ecelebrities a fat cheque to play the game. They don't seem to want to do that though.

>>16247197
>Do you think MG got too lax on the marketing and were perhaps too reliant on its reputation to push the product? Come to think of it, outside of small circles, I really haven't heard shit about Himawari. And it blends in so well on Steam amongst a crowded market full of trash.

Short of finding money to run a huge advertising campaign, I am not sure how you would have marketed it. Himawari by its nature is tough to sell to an audience that hasn't heard of it as you need to convince a crowd that won't pay attention to you that this seemingly generic looking title is exceptional, and you need to do so without an easy to sell hook. You said it quite well, it blends in well with the other garbage on Steam to the casual observer, and it doesn't do anything to stand out at a glance.

Ideally, it would have been released last year, as script editing was done by the end of Summer 2015, but then it got held up at some other step before release. At least in that case it could have benefited some from better timing with the Steam market, as the Steam crowd then would have been much more willing to have given a title like this a look.

>>16241694
Dec 9th - 240555

MangaGamer sold like 10 extra copies for having various people bully Conjueror.

>>16245831
I don't think anyone wants h-scenes. I think a lot of people are fed up with censorship and it has a rather significant impact on sales. Everyone will still play it, they will just pirate it because they won't hand out money to people who censor products.

>>16247280

Now that's marketing.

>>16247268
I think that the market has become more skeptical of claims that this or that is kamige brilliance. It's not MG's fault but the scene has just too much hyping and disappointment

>>16247304
It's hard not to be skeptical when they try to hype up just about everything they release. I've gotten to the point that unless a title looks immediately appealing to me I just pass on it.

>>16247268
In my experience the games do barely appear in the top coming, new or discounted releases. Which is odd for me since most of my purchases have been VNs so Steam should have bumped those up for me to notice them.

I think they have redesigned the system in some way that actually works less well than in the past, and now it is really hard to spot VNs when they release.

Most of them would be completely missed by people who don't frequent VN update threads.

>>16247304
That may be true for the crowd that follows these titles closely, but the crowd MG was getting when they had their big Steam hits wouldn't have a clue about any of that. There are currently more people playing the Steam version of If My Heart Had Wings then the peak concurrent user rate for Himawari. The problem is communicating to the person willing to play a VN like IMHHW that they likely would also enjoy this new exceptional title without the 1600 reviews and word of mouth from 90,000 owners backing IMMHW. It also is made far more challenging when at a glance of the product pages, nothing distinguishes Himawari from garbage OELVN #2147.

https://twitter.com/_garejei/status/807492476005191680

Mangagamer's marketing is certainly challenging. They're pretty much abandoned by a lot of the news sites because they're an adult games company (sending out press releases for adult titles probably hasn't helped), but it's not like there's any decent sites that cover VNs much at all anyways. LewdGamer won't cover games that don't have porn, ANN and Crunchyroll won't cover it unless they get paid to do so. There's some small sites that have VN news but most of them seem to exclusively follow Sekai for some reason (probably some kind of relation to sekai staff is my guess). Ads are expensive, and ad blocker is quite prevalent. I can't really imagine how you handle that kind of situation. They do about the best they can, they're active on social media and their own staff blog, send out press releases, hit most major cons during the summer, and regularly put out games.

>>16247280
That's probably their true goal all along.

They needed the sales boost, so they bully Conjueror.

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>>16245436
>No, remaking a game with less nudity is censorship.
>Remake

Its just a few small scenes that have nothing to do with the plot in it's entirety. If it was that huge of a problem i am sure Mangagamer would not have put it on Steam in the first place.

There is a huge difference between being mad about a small scene or two being cut that does not play a huge role in the game and was tacked because sex. This has happened even with Fate when the Eroge scene would not buy anything unless it had it.And as anyone knows when you tack sex onto something its just not that good anyways vs it being there for storyline reasons(Grisaia). There needs to be a line drawn between that and an understanding.

I hate censorship as well but i am mindful of the fact when there does not need to be any "censorship or no buy" deal by complaining about it.

>>16245619
>He still wrote in the sex. He just decided that he could save CG money by not drawing it. And then he claims it is "artistic choice to make the game as I wished it was".

Anon stop speaking out of your ass like you know what you are talking about. It was tacked on, the author did not feel like drawing it in a remade fashion and on top of that is a lot of corporate red tape to go through.

>>16247880
>le i'm on your side but... meme
MG deserves the lose for not providing the h-scenes. And also for other crap they've been pulling lately. I have high hopes Rance will do well for them, however.

>>16246508
One thing i hope MG does is try to give certain games a chance and pushing boundaries with things. They also did hint that they have 5 new announcements as well soon for next year which should be good. Maybe they might actually it's worth a shot.

>>16246076
I agree it would be a shame if this did bad. But i do not think it will be worse as Tokyo Babel(completely undersold expectations but finally made a good comeback) when it started out. The only reason why i believe this is because it does have a really good synopsis and also some solid music. It does have some nice artwork as well. I am sure word of mouth will help it.

>>16246593
>an H-patch for Steam would have had dramatic results is also unlikely, as while it surely would have boosted sales some, it would not have accomplish much with the bigger visibility problem for an unknown, $35 (well $30 on sale), title.

I was about to say the same. It would not increase it by much. But i still do not think it will be a disaster far from it. I believe it will be one of those games that will take time for users to find it and it will start selling more. Because it is not that well known outside of dedicated circles.

>>16247197
>Do you think MG got too lax on the marketing and were perhaps too reliant on its reputation to push the product? Come to think of it, outside of small circles, I really haven't heard shit about Himawari. And it blends in so well on Steam amongst a crowded market full of trash.

As another anon stated earlier it is most likely the timing. This would have made a great summer title judging by the artwork and the cover. In fact MG did upload it to youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTkwNLMVsPI

It looked like it was ready for Summer but due to the delay it actually might end up underselling a little bit below expectations. I know everyone will use the famous youtuber meme for marketing but i do really think it would have been nice to show a little bit more advertising of gameplay or even some key scenes to build excitement up for a game. The problem was that MG does not build on its excitement if it is going to take a bit longer than expected or they announce something when it will be awhile away. Its really more about the sense of timing and being able to build on things than it is about the game itself. It's too soon to tell but i believe it will do well.

>>16247992
>As another anon stated earlier it is most likely the timing.
This. I'm actually looking forward to read Himawari, but it came out nearly at the same time as Steins;gate 0, FFVX and The Last Guardian and I'm going to wait until I'm done with these to start Himawari.
I don't know how much of an overlap there is between high profile games buyers and visual novel ones, but it seems like the worst time to launch anything.

>>16247906
G.O. and Frontwing made that call, not MG.

Are people really expecting Mangagamer to frankenstein H scenes without voices and with old art style from the doujin game into the commercial release of the remake? Are they fucking morons?

>>16248433
They aren't that stupid, probably.

They just want MangaGamer to somehow force Frontwing and G.O. to make new H-scenes to match the new version and get the V.A.s (which don't do eroge) to voice them.

>>16248433
>>16248439
Judging from my experience with people with that attitude, it's not that they want the H-scenes to be forced in, but rather that they'd rather have *nothing* than a version with even a slight bit of anything porn related removed from the original. MG is at fault for accepting the license in the first place, they "should" have declined to work with anyone that would push a title with any amount of removed porn.

>>16248449
But that mindset is stupid as fuck. The original version was published 9 years ago. The author has stated that he wanted these changes. And the version that was published is technically the definitive version.
I can get why they would be mad if companies were putting out stuff like vita versions in order to not publish 18+ stuff, but this was almost a full rework.

Why are Westerners infinitely more obsessive about mediocre pornography than Japanese people? Nobody in Japan gives a flying fuck if someone releases a cut version of something.

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>>16248492
My theory is that for Japanese people, VNs are just a part of life in sense. They're normal, they're advertised, everyone knows them. Tokimeki Memorial and other such console games were extremely popular even among Japanese "normies" (remember that GameCenter CX episode?). To a Japanese person, a VN is a normal piece of media like a book or a movie.

But, to a westerner? VNs aren't a part of our lives, normally. We find them, we stumble upon them in Japanland. And how do we usually do that? Through porno VNs, through eroge. To a westerner, porn* is the main appeal of VNs, the main draw, the light of their lives and the fire of their loins. Why read a VN instead of a book, a book which is normal for their culture? Because the VN has porn. The porn is everything. It's the focal point of their focus on VNs, it's why they read them, it's why they're here. It's everything to them, because it's what they read VNs for in the first place.

It's just a difference in culture.

*To a lesser extent, waifus (think majikoi).

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every single thread until the sekikes deliver the EPISODE 3

>>16244871
When there's 18+ version available, but you offer only all-ages, its censorship, period. People don't care about excuses and mental gymnastics of MG staff, they only care about the fact that version they offer has less content than original.

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>>16248691
Such wonderful censored hentai artwork.

>>16248691
There's no 18+ version of remake avaible. There's only old, unvoiced, 4:3 version without short stories from ps2 edition.

>>16248691
It's really not though. I mean I would take Yumehaven's Shuffle release as censorship, especially when the original and the PS2 version is basically identical and there's even a definite version on the PC.

But Himewari's circumstances are more like receiving the new YU-NO and asking why MG censored it and didn't create a patch that puts the original YU-NO's CG into it.

>>16248720
> but mmmuh remake
What's so hard to understand about "we don't give a fuck about your excuses"? Original release from 2007 had h-scenes, MG release doesn't have them. That's all we customers care about. We don't care why they aren't there, we don't care about complexities of bringing them back. There are thousands of various entertainment products being released every month, we don't have any shortage. If MG doesn't want to cater to our tastes and demands, we will spend our money on someone who does, and you can complain about "stuuuuupid steamtards, baaaaw" all you want while watching your products to fail.

>>16248691
If an artist releases a revised version of a product, you cannot blame all those who distribute it for censorship. Especially when the artist is the one actively pushing for the revised product. Hell, from what I read MG staff approached G.O. about reintroducing some changes:

>I have been working with the author when I translated the game, and while I originally planned to bring some things back from the original version he has convinced me to keep most of the changes he introduced over the years, with only minor tweaks on my part. No additional changes were made to the game or script to censor it for Steam or a Western audience in general.

>In the end, our localization of Himawari is closest to what Japanese players got as the latest and most complete edition of the game, that despite the tweaks, retains most of the text from erotic scenes, just conveyed in a somewhat less gratuitous way, and even offers almost ten hours of extra content in the form of two side-stories which were originally published in light novel form.

>>16248731
Preferring the 2007 release means you'll be demanding an inferior product because you can't stop thinking with your dick (or you've got a sense of "ethics" so warped that it resembles throwing a tantrum more than anything else) but you are right in one sense - if the market is made entirely of retards then MG's made a mistake by not catering to retards.

>>16248731
>we
Speak for yourself.
>your products
They're my products now?

>>16248731
I mean
>stuuuuupid steamtards, baaaaw" all you want
When you literally say yourself:
>That's all we customers care about. We don't care why they aren't there, we don't care about complexities of bringing them back.
that the people you refer to don't care about anything nor care about thinking, what else is there to call them but "stupid steamtards"? If it quacks like a duck...

And for what it's worth, even if Himawari had porn, it probably wouldn't be selling that much better. There's only 3 or so H scenes in the original if I recall and it's a really minor part of the game, I doubt it would encourage many more sales except from a small group of people who buy without researching products.

>>16248731
>but mmmuh porn
Do yo seriously believe that people would actually pay 30 bucks for 9 years old title vithout voice acting? MG said in their survey that customers strongly care about HD content. I can very much assure you that whatever sales uncut version would have gained would be negated by folks passing it after seeing high pricetag and OELVN production values.

>>16248731
Even if the H scenes were retained, it wouldn't have made a difference. with the old 18+ version you're left with:

1. No voices
2. Lower resolution / dated art

Which causes a host of other issues with selling the title since most modern VN readers expect voices and post-2010 artwork. What do you gain from the 18+ version? 3 mediocre H-scenes in a 30-40 hour title, and some slightly more lewd CG. That's it. It's still a niche doujin title that isn't well known in the West. It's still a title that takes tens of hours of investment just to reach a badly drawn H scene.

>>16248749
>what else is there
There's also option to behave like professional company instead bunch of elitist snobs. Making products customers actually want, listening to feedback and all that boring adult shit.
MG has to realize that they are not entitled to get money for just releasing some obscure shit even if that obscure shit is praised by local circlejerk. They have to win in very competitive market against many other contenders, ranging from other video games to anime, manga, books, TV serials, movies and so on. And while many of those other competitors invest into understanding tastes and demands of their target audience and branch to cover as many different audiences as possible, MG keeps looking down on their users and shrugging off their complaints.

>>16248774
Sonohana, Ozmafia, No Thank You, Fashionable Miss Lonesome?

>>16248774
Uh, who is acting elitist and entitled here? All I've seen is some mild disappointment from Doddler.

>>16248774
>MG keeps looking down on their users and shrugging off their complaints.
Not to mention >>16248779 but they also do plenty of nukige.
If anything, releasing an all-ages title like this despite it almost certainly not going to do as well as a porn game or what have you IS a sign of them covering their audiences.
Seems to me you're not looking at the full picture here. You say they need to cover as many audiences as possible and are looking down on their users, but in reality here they are investing a lot of money into a full on story game, a sign they trusted users would have interest in such a thing.

>>16248774
You got that right, the hell are they doing releasing this shit and that otome shit and that yuri shit?

If they aren't going to be releasing nukiges all the time like the customers wants, they are just elitist snobs.

>>16248492
>Nobody in Japan gives a flying fuck if someone releases a cut version of something.
They totally do, or did. Why do you think Fate/Himawari/etc had sex scenes in the first place? Market expected them to.
Any VN that becomes "mainstream" in Japan drops the sex scenes like nothing because they're not longer required for marketing. But many doujinshi series have the sex scenes in the first place because otherwise nobody will care. Hell, minori had to change their games to having borderline nukige ero scenes after Supipara to help recapture their lost audience.

>>16248817
Well Himawari actually wasn't going for the large market, it was a doujin game sold in small amounts to certain fans in comiket. So H-scenes wouldn't have been included to appease the market, because it wasn't in the market.

Did someone link the thread in the steam forums or something?

>>16248755
With how retarded people seem to be acting they can't win outside of somehow getting permission to make the H CGs themselves. They release the original and people bitch it is old, and voiceless and so won't buy it. They release the remaster and people bitch about the lack of porn and won't buy it. The question is, how much of an overlap does the two groups have? And how many people don't give a shit either way?

>>16248827
It's the other way around, H-scenes in doujin games are a way to draw in a bigger crowd, especially in Comiket. It's why Tsukihime has them too.

>>16248433
Pretty much they are that moronic to begin with. This is usually what happens when you have people that see it in black and white of

1. Does the game have porn

Yes

2. Is the porn removed

Yes

Then they call it censorship but it always depends on what is removed how much and all of that stuff and no sell even though they are not understanding of the situation and think it somehow psychologically will set a future precedent out of paranoia. I consider one of the visual novels that was on here a few weeks back terrible where they removed so much eroge and tried to shoehorn in a plot of a game that it fell flat. That is a game costumers should avoid at all costs. In Himawari it did not even matter it was small bit. It was not part of the plot in any big way.

>>16248449
It is the most stupid mindset i have ever heard as well and i agree with >>16248491 here. Its a reminder that there will always be people who are short sighted and choose not to see everything outside of their own perspectives.

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>>16248691
>>16248731
>>16248774

You know i thought the SJW's were bad when they cried about violence and sex in video games, but your starting to make me question if they might be right. Because you act like you in the minority actually matter here. You see things as all or nothing and do not see the world in any color at all whatsoever.

>>16248838
>Did someone link the thread in the steam forums or something?

I am starting to believe that because i noticed there was 2 people who constantly kept complaining in the thread that asked if there was an 18+ version and even though it was explained to be a small 4% of the game and had NO effect on the plot the person still kept whining how its their way or the high way and it should be allowed because they want it.

>>16248784
>Seems to me you're not looking at the full picture here. You say they need to cover as many audiences as possible and are looking down on their users, but in reality here they are investing a lot of money into a full on story game, a sign they trusted users would have interest in such a thing.

As much shit as MG gets in these threads the way he describes MG sounds like Sekai Project to me.

>>16248501
I speak to a few of my friends that live in Japan, they do see it as normal pieces of media like VN as normal or a movie. They are more accepting of sexual things than the West is. But less so on violence.

If you notice Japan has a bit more restrictions on Violence than the west does. Even Berserk is considered a stress test for CERO boards of what can be allowed in media etc.

Over here we are more free about violence and all sorts of things like that. But much less on Sex. We just see it as weird and taboo even though its in front of us all the time. I do think the ESRB is a little bit too restrictive on sexual content and it might need to be more laxed as the years go on and the generations become more accepting of it in the culture.

>>16248774
>shrugging off their complaints.
To be fair sometimes those complaints are moronic and out of their control. The licensing survey has had certain actions taken from it. It shows they're trying, but it's a business so there's red tape in the way.

>>16248901
>you in the minority actually matter here
If he's in the minority than why all those recent MG's all ages only Steam releases bomed so hard?

>>16248209
Doesn't help that S;G0, Himawari, (supposedly) 18+ Meikyuu, the SnK kickstarter, and the Dies Irae prefundia all got set for the same last five weeks of the year. Even if you only play VNs it's still a crowded month for once.

>>16248992
Rance soon as well

>>16248988
Because it isn't the lack of 18+ content that is causing that issue. Read the thread.

>>16248988
Myth had an 18+ version and it bombed too. Steam isn't the valuable market it used to be.

>>16249004
>our guy
Stop with this stupid fucking meme

>>16248988
Beyond the usual Sakura, and Nekopara titles all steam releases have had lackluster sales. Even the ones with ero patches had bad enough sales to have Dovac bitch about it on twitter before he quit.
So you are mistaking the problem. It isn't allages that is the problem, it is steam itself. It just isn't the holy grail it was made out to be.

>>16249004
Take your "our guy" circlejerking to the garbage bin (/vn/) where it belongs, please.

>>16249010
I think Dovac and Sekai are largely to blame since they flooded the market with so much garbage. No one is willing to blindly stake their money anymore, at least not nearly as much as they used to.

>>16249020
The problem is Steam itself. Remember that recent report that said 60% of Steam's games were released in 2016? It's making it alot harder to stand out at all or get on the front page to be discovered. Steam is also letting people more actively filter out things they might not have an interest in.

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>>16248691
>less content
>almost ten hours of extra content

>>16249020
Not just that, due how how much shit has flooded the market people see them as cheap fapbait that will only buy things for $5-10 now. Only real exceptions are more well known titles or titles with anime tie-ins.
Also the sales of nekopara have given everyone the false perception that the VN market has grown massively when in reality it hasn't.

>>16249037
Well that's no surprise. Steam Greenlight has 0 quality control. You can throw pretty much any trash on Steam.

>>16249044
The only way to know what's out is to check http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Visual%20Novel/#p=0&tab=NewReleases or to be subscribed to one of the vn groups that posts upcoming news in your activity feed. That way you get crowdfunding news and announcements too.

>>16248988
Because VNs on Steam aren't the draw they were

>>16248988
The only reason why some of their games have not done as well simply is not due to the 18+ content that can not be on Steam. Even a Steam Executive said a few years back that they do not allow porn in their games and will not allow it.

>>16249000
Myth was not that good regardless it did not matter if Steam made a special exception that thing was a bomb when it came out.

>>16249020
Not only that but news sites have complained about how Steam's algorithm and discovery recommendations pages have always been terrible when finding things that people like and towards their tastes.

But recently Steam did update the page and everything else so that way people can get through the horrible OELVN's and finally get games they can enjoy. I do predict it will be much better thanks to the new update.

>>16249069
>that way people can get through the horrible OELVN's and finally get games they can enjoy. I do predict it will be much better thanks to the new update.
It could end up filtering out all vns for the casual crowd.

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>>16248449
That is wrong. They don't refuse to play it, they refuse to pay it. The more you cut out H-content, the lower the price must be. I bet 10 dollars would still have sold this title. But 30 dollars with censorship is a no-no to many.

>>16248492
You are wrong. Westerners only want as many options as the Japanese had. The only reason people want the H-scenes is because they exist. If they never existed, you'd only have the "porn only" people complaining that they won't buy it.

>>16249226
>The more you cut out H-content, the lower the price must be.
Well the game barely had any H-content, so by your logic the price should barely be lowered.

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>>16249214
You will nover understand the feeling of a loli who cheats behind you back.
The dude from that pic isn't the MC

>>16248749
There are 2000 people not willing to buy criminal girls 2 because they redrew the art but kept all the scenes. It is easy to imagine even more sales are lost when you completely remove scenes.

So if Himawari has sold 20 000 copies, then feel free to not care. But if you think over 2000 lost sales is a big deal, then the removal of the scenes were retarded. (Must have been steamtards who did it)

>>16249251
Who is it?

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>>16249253
I think there needs to be a distinction here. Putting aside whether Criminal Girls 2 actually lost those 2,000 sales (no proof), I don't think these two games are comparable. Criminal Girls 2 is built on fanservice and whatnot, that's what the whole game's about. Censoring the point of the game will obviously alienate customers and lower sales. Himawari, however, is not about the 3 H-scenes at all, they are a very small part of a fairly large game. Their removal doesn't impact the "point" of the game. So it wouldn't make sense for sales to be significantly impacted by it.

Ironically, the only way sales would be impacted by it, are if there were people who would be misinformed enough to buy a large story game for very small amounts of porn... which would be "steamtards" as you put it.

>>16249037
The problem with Steam is rather that unless you fulfill ALL customer requirements, you won't get a full price sale. Everyone knows the discounts are half a year away and will wait if content is missing.

It is probably the only market around where you have to earn your sales.

>>16249256
A frog.

>>16249245
I meant more like "the more often" rather than how much is cut. Because you pay rage tax on censorship, and the angrier someone is, the higher the tax.

>>16249300
Well... MG doesn't cut H-content often, in fact their main business is really nukige, so your logic still says the game shouldn't have its price lowered much.

>>16249278
No, it is the principal. People have gotten fed up with the system of censorship and now have a zero tolerance approach.

You could color blood green and lose thousands of sales.

>>16249309
Well, that's steamtards isn't it? Having such a zealotry that you have zero tolerance and don't properly parse the situation.

Not to mention, the Himawari remake the west is getting is the same Himawari remake the east got. So it's not like Criminal girls where the Japanese content was edited for the Western audience. So, even in the principal of anti-censorship, this case isn't really the same.

>>16249306
Don't forget that it is company neutral. Every time Sekai fucks up, and every time NISA fucks up, and every time GhostLight fucks up, it gets worse.

The trick is to not fuck up. Meaning you pick titles that never had adult content ever, or you make definite full versions with the ero.

>>16249306
>MG doesn't cut H-content often
He meant in a single piece, not in general, you moron.

>>16249317
Yes it is the same. But the problem remains as long as there is a more adult oriented title in existence in Japan that is not localized.

If you manage to erase it from history, then Himawari will become perfectly acceptable as it is. Or if you release a fan patch, it also becomes perfectly acceptable. Or if you teach everyone Japanese... but that route seems hard.

>>16249323
Ironic you'd call someone else a moron while misunderstanding the post yourself. Look up.

>>16249329
No, I understand it very well.
He is talking about percentage, not figures.
As in, cutting 1 scene out of 3 is worse than cutting 1 scene out of 20.

>>16249328
>But the problem remains as long as there is a more adult oriented title in existence in Japan that is not localized.
I understand that that is a problem that people have, but calling that censorship and equating it to "real" censorship just weakens your position given how clearly illogical it is.

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>>16249253
>comparing Criminal Girls 2 censorship to Himawari

Anon you are a fucking idiot.

First of all Criminal Girls is based around sexuality and sexual activities than plot and Himawari is based around plot with extremely minimal sexual things going on. You are practically making wild comparisons and using mental gymnastics, the SAME thing you claim others are doing is exactly the same thing you are doing now.

>>16249309
>Principal

No anon, its moral SJW faggotry but on the censorship side. I didint know we had that here on this board but you proved me wrong that there are idiots on moral highgrounds on censorship and anti censorship.

>>16249334
I told you to look up, why didn't you look up? Read this post >>16249320 . Very clearly talking about the general case. Not to mention the post you made just now has such a glaring logic error I'm too embarrassed for you to point out.

>>16248988
I didn't know Ozmafia and Umineko bombed

>>16249348
Seriously? You bring up fujoshit and one of the greatest kamige ever to defend your argument? We're talking regular releases.

>>16249365
You were proven wrong and don't even have an argument now.

Am I missing something about Himawari? People said it would get good in 2048 but it's still boring.

>>16249396
I-it's not boring! I-it's just too deep for you!

>>16249391
No, you don't have an argument if you have to resort to mentioning auto-buys.

>>16249396
>falling for mangashilling
You do understand the whole "our guy" forced meme started as a shill tactic, right?

>>16249396
Depends on what you were expecting and wanted out of it. If you were expecting big sci-fi plot twists and shit then it isn't surprising it isn't doing much for you.

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>>16249396
But it got good even before the flashback.

>>16249340
Everyone has their limits. I don't know your opinion on honorifics, machine translations, bad translations, misspellings, fonts etc.

A gut feeling is that at least something in there triggers you. But there are people who have zero expectations and just want an anime game with English letters.

>>16249418
Dunno, everyone seems to rate it highly even people not included in the shilling. Hadler has played almost 500 VNs and has it in his top 10 for some unknown reason.
>>16249420
Well there isn't anything else notable so far either. "Character development" was done as well if not better in several other things I've read without being boring. I'm not saying it's bad, a solid 7/10 probably but far from a "kamige".

>>16249365
What the fuck would be considered "regular releases" then?

Ozmafia and Umineko are still all-ages only releases that did well on Steam. I don't see any reason to automatically disqualify them just because one game is an otome game and the other is popular.

>>16249418
That wasn't a shill tactic, it was just trash leaking from /vn/, aka /eceleb/. They can't stop going on about the various names in the industry to the point where it motivates many of them to try certain titles based on whatever cult-of-personality claims a title as "good."

>>16249020
Steam greenlight relaxing its standards meant shit would flood in one way or another. If it wasn't Sekai Project, then Mangagamer would have facilitated the process instead. It's not like the average third party VN in MG is any better than Sakura Spirit other than being actual nukige.

I actually think Himawari is really good and unique, I'm pretty curious about the fandisc now.

>>16249787
It'll never be translated.

>>16249807
This game has the worst waifus. NTR and insults thrown at you as far as the eye can see.

>>16249816
Go stick to your brainless moege, retard.

>>16249823
Only cucks could unironically enjoy Himawari. Having annoying characters doesn't make a game deep or high brow.

>>16249845
t. low IQ moebuta

>>16249396
> people
You mean mugidrones and conjueror.
"Good" is "edgy unconventional clusterfuck" for that crowd, pretty much every single game they love wouldn't work well with average VN reader.

>>16250066
I liked all the other titles they rate highly so far, so not really.

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>>16250076
> other titles
Like what?
None of highly-rated mugi titles are translated.
In before "Cross Channel", its not translated and its exactly same kind of edgy boring shit like Himawari.

>>16250101
t. low IQ moebuta

>>16250101
Nobody cares about your opinion moebuta.
Kill yourself.

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>>16250136
You're the only one samefagging the thread moebuta.

>>16250086
>>16249807
Nice translation by """"""our guy""""""

Reminder that SP will delay Meikyuu again.

>>16250281
Actually, I am guessing we will get a release date announced for uncut Meikyuu on Wednesday. Frontwing is doing some type of broadcast on twitch, and they teased that they would have an announcement for a "hotly anticipated release" in addition to talking about their Time Leap Paradise and Corona Blossom Volume 3.

>>16250306
I'm not sure about that, did FW announce stuff for SP before?

>>16250326
I think they do announce Grisaia stuff.

>>16249396
I'm finding the banter between Aqua and Daigo great. Really enjoying it a lot more than the first part of the story.

I'm pretty sure Ryukishi took inspiration from Himawari to write Umineko.
Makes Umineko lose some charm

>>16250854
I am sure he knows what he is doing. He made both the stakes and the bunnies wear leotards.

I thought everyone expected Himawari to do poorly? Whats with this freak out by almost everyone being shocked it's doing poorly?

>>16250936
I think it's mostly just the retarded e-celebs who think that they actually had an influence over the market.

>>16250943
Eh, well let this be a lesson to them then that people mainly just use their names for shitposting purposes instead of actually valuing their opinions.

>>16250349
>>16250306
They have announced for Grisaia before. But after how terribly Sekai has handled the series it would make sense for Frontwing to do it themselves seeing that there is a market for their VN. I would not be surprised if Frontwing announces 4 new visual novels next year on top of more information on their new universe in Grisaia.

I uploaded the Himawari OST, which I snagged myself off a torrent. Had hardly any seeds like you'd expect, so I figured getting a DDL would help for anyone else who wants it,

https://mega.nz/#!lxsQTbyZ!nQNC0-XCuxd1kUNf9smsMGCGaNI-jDsGbRrt8JmJ_jc

>>16249564
Tokyo Babel
Fata Morgana
Gahkthun
Dengeki Stryker

>>16252042
Actually let's be fair here Tokyo Babel did finally gain back it's sales to almost come close to splitting it even. I predict the winter and summer sale should push it to gain some more of a profit. Not as MG hoped but it still would do well.

As for Fata Morgana for a title of that caliber it's actually done relatively well despite not getting what was expected.

I do think Himawari will perform better though than both of them easily due to Drama and psychological things always being popular in the west.

>>16252042
Dengeki Stryker is the odd one out though, it's been out for a long time before coming on Steam. Most people would have bought it a long time ago. Also, the whole H-scenes thing means that those "anti-censorship" group would just buy it on MG's site.

>>Kuroinu - Being released as 3 seperate chapters, CH1 100% translated and edited

So when is it gonna be release? I have a huge elf rape fetish and I absolutely need to play this game.

>>16249823
Not him and not a moebuta but i thought Himawari was a moege with a little sci-fi, am i wrong? I heard that the sci-fi part was really small and it was mostly some boring moege daily life.

I don't give a fuck about the all-ages bullshit, people need to understand that the old version and the remake are two different games. It's not like Maitetsu or Baldr Sky which are the same fucking visual novel but with all the explicit content removed. These are butchered, not Himawari.

>>16253226
>it's
its

>>16250306
If only Frontwing can retrieve the Grisaia license for them, i'm sick of waiting for the SP approved 18+ version and i don't want to pay them.

>>16254205
Instead of moege I would consider it as an utsoge with NTR scenes.

>>16254278
NTR? But it's not even a romance and there is no sexual content. How is it possible?

>>16254205
I'm reading it now and first chapter is an ok-ish moege. After that it gets much, much better and the tone changes to very melancholic and depressing. It's good shit.
>>16254301
One of female characters becomes a protagonist and crushes on a guy with a tragic love triangle history. So moebutas get cucked by a guy who got cucked.

>>16248988
Because the first wave of vns to get noticed on steam were so terrible that anyone who bought one won't try another

>>16254612
More like they bought them thinking they were awesome RPGs and noticed they were books.

Hyperdimension is selling really good, as are most other "visual novel with game elements". I guess it doesn't help the game ones are being pitched at 20-30 dollars as well.

>>16252042
Gahkthun did do well enough that MG and Liarsoft decided to release Sona-nyl, or maybe it was in spite of it doing horribly. Maybe they just thought the fujoshi would give the second title a boost even though the first didn't do so well.

>>16253244
The biggest problem I have with the anti-censorship group on Steam is that they refuse to buy unless it's on Steam. They generally won't buy stuff offsite even if it means getting the 18+ version. They need play it on Steam uncensored for whatever reason.

>>16251223

Thanks very much

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Danganronpa now comes with sweaty cleavage fanservice.

>>16254649
That is just a subgroup. Plenty of people will buy their games from the best outlet. Pricing almost doesn't matter for uncensored games. (But you get problems if you offer censored games side by side of uncensored games and charge extra).

To explain, if I can choose between a 30 dollar censored VN, or a 30 dollar uncensored VN + 25 dollar shipping + 20 dollar import tax, I'm picking the latter. If it is 30 dollars digital or 40 dollars digital adult, I'm pirating the 40 dollar one.

Cost doesn't matter, but price gauging and ripping customers off do.

>>16254973
>Plenty of people will buy their games from the best outlet.
That's just a subgroup.

>>16254973
How the fuck is it price gouging if there's more content? That's like saying you won't buy the unabridged version of a book because you can get the abridged version for $5.

Even in a game like Princess Evangile, there's actual significant content (as far as CGs goes) that is not included in the all-ages version. What's the problem with charging a bit more if there's extra content? I can't really follow this logic. Sure, for something like Nekopara or Karakara it might be different, but when the ero content is pretty significant I can't see the problem with it costing more.

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Allow me to ask, what did Key mean by this?

>>16255005
>How the fuck is it price gouging if there's more content?

It is like you can't go to McDonalds and tell them to not put onion on the burger, and that you want 2 dollars discount because they didn't put it in.

Sure, if you requested 2 extra burgers put between the bread, then you should pay for extra content. It is just that removing content doesn't qualify you for a cheaper product.

So that means all-ages = adult games in pricing IF they are derived from adult games. If you do the opposite, like take Clannad and add porn, then it would be acceptable to charge extra. I'd gladly pay 10 dollars more for Clannad with porn, because it is additional content.

Though I honestly do not need porn in Clannad. It was just an example of when it applies.

>>16255226
Actually, some restaurants let you do that. You just have to negotiate hard enough.

Analogy criticism aside, complaining about all ages versions being cheaper than the adult version is like complaining that the hamburger kids meal is cheaper than the hamburger adult meal. The kids meal is a gimped version of the adult meal, which is why it is cheaper. Same goes the difference between the all ages version and the 18+ version.

>>16255099
>key

>>16255099
They predicted that this type of charactes is popular between lolicons and made a fandisc to see if with it they could make more $$$ then with the regular version of LB.

What in the name of fuck is JAST up to? I bought Nitroplus Blasterz and it makes me mad that they're cockblocking all of Nitroplus' stuff. If XSEED were doing Nitroplus games I guarantee you we'd have Muramasa by now.

>>16255306
Remember that all-ages customers didn't want the porn. Techinically they would be willing to pay more to get rid of it.

I mean, they could sell porn games only, and let all all-ages customers just skip the scenes. Would save a lot of money, and for some reason make all these all-ages customers pay more because they get more content!

Looks like wagamama high spec won't be 18+ sekai's been avoiding all talks about it. Nice "collaboration" with nutaku.

>>16256577
Should bombard them with questions using this: https://it-was-fun-at-first.net/about

>>16256641
Sorry, I won't work for google.

>>16256577
Sekai's question dodging reminds me a lot of "Whatever happened to surprise attacks?"

>>16256577
Remember when Wagamama was supposed to come out in April along with the anime? Kek

>>16256577
It still has an announced Kickstarter upcoming unless they scrapped it. Regardless of if they decide/are able to do an uncut release or not, I'd imagine they won't announce anything about it until then, like they did with Chrono Clock. Any such collaboration with Nutaku wouldn't be discussed as part of putting it on Steam Greenlight.

>>16256859
Not like it matters since the anime was some weird short thing that basically just teased the VN. Which is honestly how more should be instead of trying to cram a 30-50 hour plot in 12 episodes.

So Makoto doesn't translate anymore, but Makoto-style translations are still alive as evidenced by Tokyo Babel. What else has a Makoto-style translation?

>>16256961
I wouldn't call Conjueror a Makoto-style translator at all. He's more like a wannabe O. Smith with retarded ESL tendencies.

And Makoto still translates.

>>16256076
I agree I even wrote them an email and it took 3 months to respond no joke. I asked if any Nitroplus games were coming out in the future. They did the typical "we will see if we can" response.

Hopefully with the sales and huge response Nitroplus will avoid JAST and do it themselves like MAGES did with Steins;Gate

>>16256917
So they might become 26 time Kickstarter funded again.

>>16256977
>Avoid JAST
Let's be honest JAST is good when it counts and Makoto is the best translator on their staff. I do agree we should see more translated and more titles from Nitroplus even if they did just 3 titles a year no one would complain.

>>16257031
>good when it counts
Flowers says otherwise, and even though I recognize shit takes time, JAST is still too damn slow even if you're generous.

>>16257076
They were stupid and didn't give the scripts to BDH and instead let some machine translator work on Flowers. Then again, I suppose that fujoshit was working on Sumaga and Fata at the time, so a third game probably would've been too much of a heavy load.

>>16256967
>retarded ESL tendencies
I don't even know what this is supposed to refer to.
>And Makoto still translates.
Bull fucking shit.

>>16257104
>Bull fucking shit.
It's true. He translated Somicomi, the kamige of the year

It amazes me how little JAST has released in 20 years

>>16257108
That was Maria you dipshit.

>>16257118
I hate to cite Mugi but since he's a Makoto fanboy and his exclusive stalker...
http://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/130117573076

>>16256977
>sales and huge response

Is it really huge? This seems like the usual for an XSEED game to me. Not to mention the FGC.

>>16257125

He TLC'd it, like he does/did for all n+ stuff.

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>>16257132

Also this can be seen pretty damn easily if anyone actually played sonico instead of just spending all day reading moogy's twitter and making stupid assumptions.

Amy O. = Maria
Phil Long = Makoto

>>16257104
>I don't even know what this is supposed to refer to.
Not that anon but Conjueror's TLs (and normal speaking) have a lot of odd, dysfluent tendencies. For example, he uses the word "flied" in Himawari's TL despite the fact that no native would ever use it. There's plenty of other examples, and it's more evident in the way he constructs his sentences, but that's just off the top of my head.
He is adept at English but it's obvious he's not a native speaker.

>>16256961
>Makoto-style translations
What does this even mean?

>>16257175
He was a flied guy lol.

>>16257150
I knew this without having to play the game.

Moogy is a retard and I have to assume people only listen to him as a joke. Well stop doing that, idiots, you're tricking people into taking him seriously.

>>16257104
>I don't even know what this is supposed to refer to.
Memes and bad localization.

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So this is the power of Conjueror.

>>16257582
>I don't like it, so I'll call it a meme. This will immediately convince people that I am right.

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>>16257591
He's done some good work

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>>16257642
Really gets your noggin' joggin'

What is the "kino" of visual novel?

>>16257713
Kill yourself

>>16257717
Is that supposed to be some strange way of saying Hanachirasu?

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How does sekai not know the answer to these questions by the time the game is done translation? Wasn't this originally listed as "available on denpa and steam"? Did they go back on that?

>>16257739
I thought the one listed as Denpa was Sakusaku. Maybe it was both though

>>16257739
From past experience, they like to announce shit before they actually have the deal sorted out and then when people call them out on it they go with the "We can't say anything" answer in the hopes people will leave them alone.

>>16257175
>For example, he uses the word "flied" in Himawari's TL despite the fact that no native would ever use it.
That is called a typo.

>>16257885
I'm not that guy, but no, it's not. A typo is a typographical error, such as switching two letters due to rapid typing, or using a letter near to the desired one due to imprecise motion. Conjugating a verb incorrectly is not a typographical error.

>>16257739
T. There will never be 18+ do not ask again.

Have to say I am surprised at how many issues I've run into with the Himawari translation. When it reads well, it reads fairly well, but there are a lot of typos, improper punctuation, and grammar. Not to mention some weird localization decisions, but I suppose that's more subjective.

Kind of feels like no-one gave the script a read-over. Wasn't Frontwing handling scripting and QA for, like, 2 years? The fuck were they doing?

Still, I suppose it's a relatively good translation for the most part. It's just a shame it seems to lack polish and it feels a bit too all over the place sometimes. You can really nitpick the shit out of this one.

>>16257928
It could be a typo of fled, is probably what he was thinking

>>16258010
With how long it was held up in technical work, QC could have been rushed to get it out the door.

>>16257789
For these older licenses there is also a legitimate chance they had to renegotiate, and their hands are tied on how they announce it (aside from SakuSaku, which they presumably picked up as 18+ from the beginning, since they got it right as their attitude towards DenpaSoft began to change). When they initially picked up the titles still in limbo Steam was on fire and 18+ content was low priority. However between the time they picked up the titles and now as the titles approach release, Steam has cooled and they got into a partnership with Nutaku.

>>16258162
That's probably a fair assessment. MG is getting flack for Himawari, but Sekai doing games like Wagamama High Spec without ero content would be a completely different thing. A game that never had an all ages version doing all ages only in English isn't going to look good.

>>16258010
You could always post about that in the Steam forums to have a bit of a look over and correcting some errors on the script.

They did mention that they are taking feedback and will add the looping music and fix some spelling errors from what was posted on Himawari Steam forums. I think another look over and a bit more improvement will go a long way.

This was not the first time this has happened. I remember when JAST messed up badly with the petals thing and finally got it right after a few patches.

>>16258162
I think they will wait until they have to release it and shovel it out the door like they always do. If I am any company I would steer clear of my licenses from them unless I am in moege or meme content.

Sekai to me likes to drag its feet when it comes to 18+ issues they are pretending to embrace it and you can tell they do not care anything at all for the licenses they get for it. There is barely any quality control and concrete and without Kickstarter they would be dead in the water.

I honestly do not believe that companies will put gag orders on what will be in or not be released in a title and Sekai could choose to be more upfront about there being 18+ and a release date or even if there will be 18+ dlsite ero patch.

>>16258332

>Sekai to me likes to drag its feet when it comes to 18+ issues they are pretending to embrace it and you can tell they do not care anything at all for the licenses they get for it.

The thing missing from that equation is time. They announced Wagamama High Spec last September, and presumably would have negotiated for it before then. It would have been before any disappointment at all on Steam (even G-Senjou wasn't out yet) and expectations for how it would sell on Steam would have been very high (they might have expected high 4 or low 5 figures), while expectations for Denpasoft would have been low. It might not have been economical to grab the 18+ license, or they might have just not seen it making enough to be worth it, especially if there were some other big costs involved (voice costs bullshit could come into play), and clearly at the time that wasn't a make or break point for their negotiations since G-Senjou was picked up and released exclusively all ages.

This year comes along, and by early Summer it was clear that the fad of VNs on Steam was passing and all projections for Steam releases would have needed to have been slashed by everyone in the market. At the same time, Nutaku showed up as a behemoth throwing around huge piles of cash looking for 18+ content for their storefront. Sekai clearly made a decision to put more focus on Denpasoft right around the time Nutaku's downloadable store went online, and by AX they grabbed the nukige KoiKuma and announced SakuSaku as an 18+ release (and since then grabbed some more nukige). It's worth noting Nutaku discussed in one of their blog posts about their piles of money that they are covering the costs in full for the 18+ part of the release in titles they fund.

That said, it's not like there would have been a dramatic change in attitudes within the company, but the economics of it would have changed. They very well could have opted not to go after 18+ content last year for the exact same reason they would go after it now, it is good business to do so. Nevertheless, if Wagamama High Spec is all ages in the end, then it is likely because of a fallout on negotiations either early on or now. Wagamama High Spec is about the safest title they have in their catalogue content wise, with no questionable heroines and nothing problematic in the H-scenes. SakuSaku and KoiKuma, along with Grisaia and MuvLuv for that matter, have more issues in that regards. At the very least though they seem to be trying to get an uncut version, as the Denpasoft licensing account on Twitter follows Madosoft and has directly highlighted the Japanese version https://twitter.com/denpasoft_chris/status/789229459358425088 .

>I honestly do not believe that companies will put gag orders on what will be in or not be released in a title and Sekai could choose to be more upfront about there being 18+ and a release date or even if there will be 18+ dlsite ero patch.

If negotiations to get the 18+ content were recent, the companies might have their own expectations for how stuff gets announced. If MangaGamer had Sengoku Rance negotiated already, I doubt that they could just wake up tomorrow and announce "We have Sengoku Rance". Provided that negotiations are concluded, how to handle such an announcement would likely be part of their negotiations, and a Japanese company could still have their own expectations for how the announcement should be handled. It normally would be a non issue though, since if 18+ content was part of the initial negotiations, then it would have been handled things like that out of the public eye and before the announcement, like SakuSaku.

>>16251223
Doujin or original?

Can someone upload doujin if this isn't it?

>>16259454
Remake. There's a torrent for the doujinshi release on Nyaa too, probably has no seeds though.

Do you guys think Doddler got buttfucked in prison?

>>16259840
yes and he liked it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcwYgoGR0E

tfw when this will never be translated. If it ever does and it heads west i will literally be happy.

>>16259985
As opposed to being figuratively happy?

>>16259985
>Muh edgy ntrshit
>will never be translated
Why not? Seems like the shit that's praised in the REAL DEAL western VN community.

>>16257591
What the fuck was he thinking with this entire scene

>>16260040
OH SHIT OH SHIT THE DEADLINE'S COMING

>>16260105
What deadline? MG doesn't really give deadlines.

>Tokyo Babel got updated last week

wat.

>>16260153
It had some issues at launch like screen tearing.

>>16258494
>The thing missing from that equation is time.

Not only that but they take on way too much responsibility they still have to ship a lot of physicals out and they are stretching themselves out to where they are barely functioning there comes a point when they need to get their shit together and start being conservative and be able to make releases without kickstarters.

>That said, it's not like there would have been a dramatic change in attitudes within the company, but the economics of it would have changed. They very well could have opted not to go after 18+ content last year for the exact same reason they would go after it now, it is good business to do so.

It is good business to avoid 18+ content that had 18+ content to begin with? I am not sure i follow your logic on it. If yes then that just hurts them more and if no then it could at the least salvage that there is an effort even if on the outside it looks half hearted. I would like to see them at least try to have DLSITE version to buy. Unfortunately it was dumb what they did with Grisaia on that end.

>If negotiations to get the 18+ content were recent, the companies might have their own expectations for how stuff gets announced. If MangaGamer had Sengoku Rance negotiated already, I doubt that they could just wake up tomorrow and announce "We have Sengoku Rance". Provided that negotiations are concluded, how to handle such an announcement would likely be part of their negotiations, and a Japanese company could still have their own expectations for how the announcement should be handled. It normally would be a non issue though, since if 18+ content was part of the initial negotiations, then it would have been handled things like that out of the public eye and before the announcement, like SakuSaku.

Sekai does a lot of that backwards. They will announce a boat load of acquisitions and then say nothing about the 18+ or anything for years and when it is announced then everyone keeps asking if they will get it out and they say "we cant comment on the matter". It might be true that Japanese companies want it to be done at an event but there is nothing against releasing some info about it later on or stalling.

If i am to guess what is going on internally it is that they have so much responsibilities due to their kickstarters and physical goods and trying to get it all done in a reasonable matter of time is nearly impossible and they are suffering from the hype dying far more than any game in their libraries or future ones. Himawari may not do well for now but its not dead in the water like Sekai's p[rojects that take 2+ years to get done out the gate or their indecisiveness on 18+. On top of that internally they have mentioned they "do not do porn games" and are against lolicons or sex. It just does not bode well for them overall.

Mangagamer is a different matter they do not rely heavily on Kickstarters and take their time with translations or when it is done they will make an announcement on it and eventually do provide facts if it is 18+ or if they have patches or how they will implement it.

>>16258494
>If MangaGamer had Sengoku Rance negotiated already, I doubt that they could just wake up tomorrow and announce "We have Sengoku Rance".

MG actually once stated "There are no plans for game X" 1-2 days before they announced it. So there is a lot of silly bullshit behind when they can say something and when they default PR poop.

https://jlist.com/jastbundle-16

Worth it?

>>16260555
If you want a bunch of physical versions of old games, I guess.

>>16260650
yeah nothing really worth it on there
i guess if you already want Starless and if you dont mind paying extra, you get some old games with it

>>16260245

SP's issue seems to mostly be their insistence on accepting whatever initial terms they're offered by the JP devs and sorting out the details later (I'm sure there have been several cases where they negotiated 18+ or other terms after announcing a license), and immediately blowing their load the second they have ink on the page rather than waiting to have details worked out.

>>16260377

Well what do you expect them to do? Just tell you ahead of time because you asked?

>>16260750
>Well what do you expect them to do?
Well, in this case, they could've said "We have no information we can give to you at this moment" rather than "there are no plans"

>>16260245
>Not only that but they take on way too much responsibility they still have to ship a lot of physicals out and they are stretching themselves out to where they are barely functioning there comes a point when they need to get their shit together and start being conservative and be able to make releases without kickstarters.

You missed my primary point here when I discussed time time, I meant that the market has changed over time since they picked up the license. You can't consider what the situation looked like when they picked up the license in Summer 2015 by how you think it will sell based on your expectations of the market in December 2016. Their priorities would have been different when Steam was a gold mine but they had no reliable way to recoup costs on their off Steam releases.

>It is good business to avoid 18+ content that had 18+ content to begin with? I am not sure i follow your logic on it. If yes then that just hurts them more and if no then it could at the least salvage that there is an effort even if on the outside it looks half hearted. I would like to see them at least try to have DLSITE version to buy. Unfortunately it was dumb what they did with Grisaia on that end.

Picking up G-Senjou as an all ages exclusive when the Japanese developer was only willing to release an all ages releases wouldn't have felt like a bad business decision when they did that last year, as it meant getting a reasonably popular title for Steam vs getting nothing (although they seemed to have overestimated how well G-Senjou would do, something I don't think an 18+ release would have fixed that at the time). When they were getting large Steam numbers from a broad crowd, the availability of an uncut version had little to do with a success or failure of a title overall, otherwise one of the worse releases in recent years, KonoSora, wouldn't have been a big hit, and the first Grisaia wouldn't have done much better on Steam than off Steam.

Similarly, if you had expected 10k sales on Steam and 1k-1.5k sales on Denpa for Wagamama High Spec (reasonable expectations last Summer when they would have picked up the license) then going after the uncut version might not have make sense, especially if it was expensive to do so because of something like voice bullshit, or a Japanese company charging a bunch for two licenses. However, now if you were expecting less than 2-4k on Steam, 1k on Denpa, and a sizable amount on Nutaku, and Nutaku was willing to pay those extra costs involved in getting the 18+ version, then the economics look very different and an 18+ release you had passed over might not look unreasonable anymore, thus prompting renegotiation.


>Sekai does a lot of that backwards. They will announce a boat load of acquisitions and then say nothing about the 18+ or anything for years and when it is announced then everyone keeps asking if they will get it out and they say "we cant comment on the matter". It might be true that Japanese companies want it to be done at an event but there is nothing against releasing some info about it later on or stalling.

For a title like Wagamama High Spec, they might not have negotiated the 18+ version initially, but they wouldn't have wanted to shut the door in case things changed (which they did, the market as a whole changed). Regardless of the specifics that we don't have on Wagamama High Spec though, we have enough information for Maitetsu that they clearly went back and are negotiating some way to handle an 18+ release, something they probably didn't plan to do whatsoever when they grabbed the license since they figured it would sell very well on Steam and they didn't need to deal with the headache.

If they do renegotiate on any title though, they are going to be limited in what they can discuss while negotiations are ongoing, and depending on what the Japanese company wants, they will have requirements on how they announce it after the renegotiations have concluded.

>>16260829
Maitetsu is, at best, just gonna be a blanket cut on all loli scenes, and keeping the rest.

>>16260855
Even if that were the end result, it still would be the result of going back to the developer to renegotiate long after they initially grabbed the license.

>>16260855
A lolige without these scenes doesn't make any sense.

>>16260882
Well the porn scenes were already locked off in a menu so yeah it does make sense. Not to buy, necessarily, but the game will still work fine.

>>16259840
Did he actually go to jail for his toddlercon or is it just a joke?

>>16260791
They need to give fairly standardized answers to "will you get X", or otherwise people would just poke them trying to get a clue about what their plans are.

>>16261159
Yeah, and "we can give you no info" is about the most standard answer you can get, that ALSO isn't a plain lie.

>>16261147
>Terms of the bond include no contact with anyone under the age of 16, attending for psychiatric and psychological assessments and any other counselling directed by his probation officer.

>>16261147
IIRC, he was in cell for just a day and it wasn't for toddlercon.

>>16261217
But then you have the random idiot ask "Are you going to get Fate/Stay Night", and they see "we can give you no info" and think it is a clue that they will, since the response wasn't an explicit no.

>>16261147
Just go to the /ona/ guide Canada section. The guy they talk about who got in trouble is him. Either way, last I remember he said that he got off fine.

>>16261262
Does it matter what people have a clue about? People have clues about everything. I would say letting some people take corporate responses far too seriously is better than straight up lying to them.

>>16260750
>Well what do you expect them to do? Just tell you ahead of time because you asked?

I expect companies to not be full retards and actually allow people to mention things like "We are looking into if it is possible". You don't have to tell the whole truth, but it helps if you don't lie.

>>16258010
Now I'm worried about Dies Irae.

>>16261298
With all the ridiculous requests they surely get, it probably is better for them to have a standard answer that is "we have no plans" even if there is the occasional situation where it isn't true, than to give hope to every idiot who asks about the type of titles that regularly make up their top 10 request lists.

>>16251223
Thanks for this, though I was kinda bummed to see it was the remake's music. I'm reading it with the original music and growing very fond of it.

That Frontwing broadcast thing is getting ready to start.