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Alternative Idols #38: Moe Fang Edition

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Any and all idol groups are welcome in this thread. If you have any new and unknown and weird idol groups to share, this is the place to do it.

>NEWS
Mizuho and Ayano are graduating from Bellring Shoujo Heart at the end of the year. Until new members join, the group is put on hiatus.

>RECENT MV SELECTION
Bokura no o yuugi 「Pandora no Uta.」 https://youtu.be/eOUXtIyTDY0
Especia 「Nothing」 https://youtu.be/HgSevub-NJI
Jyujyu 「Noroihajime?」 https://youtu.be/rqi_J9bNgyE
Ladybaby 「Sanpai! Gosyuin Girl」 https://youtu.be/IuNXiUyQRZ0
Yanakoto Sotto Mute 「Horoscope」 https://youtu.be/surLq_VvsaU
Zenbu Kimi no Sei da 「WORLD END CRISIS」 https://youtu.be/2BXo5xHSDa4

>TOTALY OBJECTIVE POPULAR BANDS SELECTION
Avandoned 「Vandits!!!」 https://youtu.be/ChVu1OXGad0
Bandojanaimon! 「Natsu no Oh! Vibes」 https://youtu.be/wf7dgLoaBCc
NECRONOMIDOL 「SKULLS IN THE STARS」 https://youtu.be/vVacOaFbrdE
Oyasumi Hologram 「Neuromancer」 https://youtu.be/UuPGNx_kzIQ
You'll Melt More! 「Hamidashi PARADISE」 https://youtu.be/YjYPtiZlgQs
Yunomi feat. nicamoq 「Yunomic ni Ocha shite」 https://youtu.be/8H6FP6yCeTw

>LIVE PERFORMANCES
Bellring Shoujo Heart: https://youtu.be/3LKOVn0LS3c
Daidaidai: https://youtu.be/nkZfLJMSj1E
KOTO: https://youtu.be/e4EqV7k_Yuo
Hauptharmonie: https://youtu.be/-D8MUir8a2c
Runaten: https://youtu.be/tEGrUOV9FIU
Tentenko: https://youtu.be/WtBTGPRiCfk

Previous thread: >>16078182
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First for Bellring's Babel
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>>16098020
>Mizuho and Ayano are graduating from Bellring Shoujo Heart at the end of the year. Until new members join, the group is put on hiatus.

That doesn't really count as news desu
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>>16098028

who is the girl holding the guitar?
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>>16098119
Yanagisawa Ayano.
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What do you think of Moso Calibrations?
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>>16098020
Good edition i support this
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>>16098020
Why did you remove news but not update the section and put old news instead?

Why did you remove the upcoming idol section?

Why do you feel the need to put a thread backlink?
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>>16098241
nubs will nub
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>>16098291
>>16098020
l2p nub
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She's at it again. Fuuuck
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>>16098641
Is she always drunk what the fuck
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Of course she is always drunk. It's called alcoholism, and it's a serious disease.
I hope Kana never gets help. What a girl.
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>>16098645
Probably
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>>16098645
I would like to drink with her.
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I want drunken kanamiru to suck my d*ck and puke while doing it, getting her acidic vomit in my urethra
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>>16097927
Didn't know these threads were supposed to be complete circlejerks. So let me get this right, we're all supposed to agree and like all idols and idols groups posted on here just because they have /alt/ cred?

>go to another general to talk about idols who have actual talent and interesting personalities that aren't just "muh autism"

kek, posers like you make me laugh
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>>16098020
>thread backlink
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>>16098725
That's dumb. Just skip the sucking your dick part and have her stab you and then vomit on the stab wound instead. Now that's the kanamiru way.
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>>16098705
HEINEKEN!?
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>>16098741
I don't know man, the way she;s been acting recently with pics like >>16098641 tell me she desperately wants her mouth satisfied.
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>>16098745
Go away David Lynch. Kana doesn't care about your PBR.

>>16098753
Nah, she's just drunk. You can't control your tongue when you're drunk. It just does things like that.
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>>16098753
someone should give her a lollipop instead of popcorn at show. That would make for great pics
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>>16098736
Its clear you don't get it
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>>16098762
"You don't get it"

lol, okay buddy

You're clearly in a realm far superior than mine in understanding of idols and /alt/ idol communities.
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>>16098767
Yes that's right at least you understand that much
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I'm gonna offer Kana's parents three goats, two chickens, and a rabbit for their daughter. I'm pretty sure they'll take it. You'd have to be an idiot to pass up on that offer for such a disappointment of a daughter.
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yotsu a cute
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>>16098778
That's a fair deal.
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Would you buy this girl's bread pillows?
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>>16098805
yes
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>>16098767
well duh you are a newfag
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>>16098952
Isn't being a youtube wota worse than being a new fag ?
Most of /alt/ groups having a lifespan of a few months/years and stuff.
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>>16098179
They were better before they went major, now their label wants them to focus entirely on being EDM.
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>>16098983
99 out of 100 newfags are also youtube wota.
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>>16098983
>>16098990
define "youtube wota"
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>>16099007
I think the term is pretty self-explaining, isn't it ?
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>>16099007
It's a term some guy tried to use as an insult. He failed
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>>16099034
I has more sense as an insult than newfag to be honnest. But still not a lot I must admit.
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Gang Parade, why wouldn't they just stop.
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>>16098767
The sort of people who are in this "for the music" and have never been to a live event genuinely do not get it.
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>>16098985
They're label Moso Records is owned by Dearstage? maybe they wanted it to differentiate from Denpagumi. They're edm tracks are okay but there older denpa stuff is alot better I agree.
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>>16099145
Uh. They signed with Sony Music at the beginning of the year.
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>>16098013
Can you be even more retarded? How the fuck me saying I want idols with personality equals bland personality? I despise mainstream idols exactly becuse of that. And I was actually talking only about Ano. Even if you want to talk Yurumerumo, Younapi is talented as fuck and has a personality but you don't see her having over 100k followers like Ano who has nothing but really pretty face. If being cute means more than any other things in idol, you're the one who needs to leave for mainstream idol shit.
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>>16099162
>ano
>only a cute face

Wow, go watch a youtube vid or something
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>>16099162
Appeal of Ano is actually the will of protecting a cute girl who struggle when socially dealing with peoples. I guess she's also a sort of "model" for people who have the same issues.
That explain what she's the oshi of around two thirs of the yuruwotas.

I can understand the appeal, but I also find her a bit hard to deal with.
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>>16099158
My mistake. They did a remix covered that one ClariS song and they're under Sony Music so I should've realized.
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>>16099169
Cute face, skeleton legs and fake autism.

>>16099171
I can see the appeal too but her act looks way too exaggerated.

>>16099123
Of course a big part of alt idol is live events but what stops anyone from following groups that can do both ie have great live events and have good music?
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>>16099202
Her exageration (like in the "famous" 500k view video) actually seems to be her way to deal with it.
You know, like in middle school when there was this shy kid that something adopted a strange behavior in order to be accepted. That's for when she obviously overdo it, because I also think being an idol really helped her with her "social issue", like by sort of forcing her to deal with people during the chekis and stuff.

She was actually a lot more of the "shy" type if you look at her first apparitions back in 2013.
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>>16099213
(If I might add something, that also explain why she's so comfortable with Chiffon, who is actually one of the most "heart warming" girl you may meet).
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>>16099162
ano is hideous. she's just a fun meme.
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>>16099213
Wasn't she doing modeling before Yurumerumo? I can tell you for sure that a socially awkward person would never agree for a job like this. Also I know that there're a lot of pretty girls with daddy issues and other shit but I never saw a cute girl being socially awkward. Being born a girl with good genetics = easy mode life in mist cases.
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>>16099233

I'm curious if you happens to have any source or even better, picture on this "pre-yurumerumo" period. Only one that I saw was the picture of her in her JK time that was leaked a few months ago. That seemed to have provoked a few persons to go full "reeeee" because she doesn't seems totally autistic on it. Which is, in my sense, not totally the same of having social issues.

The point that is clear is that her "crazy" attitude seems to be quite recent when you look at the fact that back to when she joined she was the "shy" member of the crew. My point being that it is probably her characterization to help her to deal with such issue.
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>>16099172
It's ok. This year has had so many idols go major that it's crazy.
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>>16098778
>>16098803
>tree goats
>two chickens

Come on, Kanamiru is worth at least five goats and five chickens.
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dear god i want to satisfy Kanamirus eager mouth!
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>>16098641
>Strong Zero
And I thought the alcoholic thing was just a meme
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I want to take Kanamiru to a rehab clinic, help her get cleaned up, and start living a sensible life free from alcohol and hair dye.
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>>16099366
We wouldnt joke about something that serious bro
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>>16099360
Do you think you could handle it, anon?

>>16099410
Fuck off.
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Also I don't see the point of all this Anolysis since it seems like in that vid her voice is mainly because she's nervous.
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>>16099499
>Anolysis
i appreciate how casually you threw in that pun. what video is this, though?
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>>16099482
of course i couldn't handle it, thats exactly why i want to offer myself to this fanged succubus
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$10 say Kanamirus recent sexual behavior is her trying to cope with her social awkwardness. Before that she used to be violent (stomping on people, hitting their cameras etc) and almost never spoke a single word. Now that she finally started to do some talking, violence isn't enough so she has to resort to using her snake-like mouth!
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>>16099615
did she curb stomp people or what?
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I wonder how Kanamiru feels about her foreign sexslavehopefuls.
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someone please get Ano off of there, she will fall and scrape her knee!
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>>16099627
That and walking on people.
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>>16099123
I'm in it for the music and have been to multiple lives.
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>>16099162
Hi, Steven. Go fuck off.
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>>16099790
So it was you after all. Carry on autistic retard.
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>>16099790
>I have no argument so I'll call him Steven
Fuck off from this general, you bring nothing to it.
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did you know? you can set reminders to take your autism meds using your smart device! stay well, anons
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>>16099785
So what kind of property do you own?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPgMi0SOM_g

>Pikarin, Aomori Toilet Edition, at last in good quality
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>>16099896
https://www.bs-sptv.com/program/2564/

They seems to have broadcasted a good chunk of the festival. Hope the interessing part will end up being avalaible somewhere.
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>>16098020
This isn't a Chanmomo OP!
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>>16098705
why are her knees bruised?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzAdcvK9xo

Nani? Nande?
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>>16099682
So what's Pikarin coping with?
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>>16099935
probably worked some of that tongue magic
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>>16099123
Does it help you sleep at night trying so hard to earn /alt/ cred? I don't give a shit if anyone has or hasn't been to any shows. Yes, "I'm in it for the music" and I've never been to a live show and never been to Japan. Why should that discredit anything I say/do?

"I don't like this group"

"You just don't get it, you must be a pathetic YouTube wota"

You guys realize how stupid and elitist you guys sound saying dumb shit like that, right? How does going to live events give you the knowledge and superior understanding over anyone? To be honest it just sounds like you guys are clinging to any bit of a crutch, trying to put down others and put yourself just above them, even if it's dumb shit like going to more idol concerts than them or going to Japan, I certainly don't give a shit if you have been to idol live events or been to Japan a thousand times and own property there. I think you guys probably have some sort of complex issues where you feel the need to put yourself above others no matter what and will resort to clinging on to the smallest shit and never letting go. It's sad that you care so much about credibility on the internet, especially on an anonymous image board.

You can tell me to leave all you want because "I just don't understand" but you know what, I'll just tell you straight up to fuck off. I like idols and have been enjoying them for years now, I like the music and everything about idol culture and just because I haven't been to any live events doesn't put me below anyone else, while just because YOU have, doesn't put you above anyone else. It's a fucking hobby, get the fuck over yourself you pathetic internet cred seeking leech.
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Someone please stop this fucking madman.
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>>16100075
calm down pal, just ignore them, lest the autismee become the autismo
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>>16100086
Shut down everything, he lurks this thread. He's fucking with us!!
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Now I want to have sex if I get food afterward.
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>>16100086
he knows nobody cares about GANG PARADE, so he can be open about fucking the girls.
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>>16100075
I think your mixing up ideas here

It seems like you're referring to both sides of the fence
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>>16100075
>hes never been to a live
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>>16100151
>he actually leaves his room
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>>16100151
He's Brian Peppers
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>>16099171
as an autist male who identifies with ano i can 100% confirm, her appeal to me is that she shows that i can do anything i want with my life the way i want do it. Ano is all about the catharsis of pure autism pain
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Kanamiru got herself an imouto!
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>>16100163
>she shows that i can do anything i want with my life the way i want do it.
That's only if you're a cute girl.
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>>16100173
Little girl it's fine if you stop emulating at the hair!

>>16100154
>leaves his bed
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>>16100151
>he uses normie reaction images
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>>16100177
but ano is hideous and a genetic freak and im cute too
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>>16100194
*and posts from his phone
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>>16100200
>not shitposting in your bed from your phone with 6 IPs
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>>16100173
probably will turn out as alchoholic too
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Daidaidai is cool
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>>16100225
comfy
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>>16100238
Do they have anything else other than the live video in the OP and the teaser? They sound pretty interesting but it's only one song.
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>>16100269
No they are a new group

That's all they got
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>>16100235
All the best Japanese girls are violent drunks. She's on the path to idoldom.
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>>16100298
Exhibit a?
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>>16100298
>>16100344
Exhibit B?
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>>16100344
>>16100376
Exhibit C?
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>>16100423
>>16100376
>>16100344
Exhibit D and E? (Manager doesn't count)
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>>16100376
Fuck I thought this was Koto on the thumbnail. Good thing it's everyones girl Chanmomo!
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>>16100344
>>16100376
>>16100423
>>16100430
Exhibit F?
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>>16100344
>>16100376
>>16100423
>>16100430
>>16100442
Exhibit G?
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>>16100344
>>16100376
>>16100423
>>16100430
>>16100442
>>16100462
Exhibit H?
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>>16100376
ugh I wanna drink beer with jap girls ;_;
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>>16100438
I thought it was KOTO too
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>>16100473
Me too. I'm not even old enough to drink yet.

Also, Exhibit I
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Exhibit J
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>>16100086
That's aina.

Also what did he mean by this???
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????
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>>16100535
they're his sons
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>>16100530
that isn't aina, motherfucker.
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>>16100344
do you think Younapi is like the chicken tendies kid, only that she mentally tortures her parents for beer instead of tendies?
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>>16100557
Well, this sure is.

Also, exhibit K?
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What idols would you kill for?

For me it'd be Nicamoq and Hachigatsu. Kanamiru and Atsuko only if they'd help me and wore something sexy during it.
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Animu, but it's fuhrer Ayuni.
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>>16100613
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Maybe you guys can help me. I'm looking for this video of a qt wota leading a dance in the crowd. i think it was at TIF.
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>>16100613
All who stand in her way shall suffer a slow and painful death.
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>>16100613
>Nicamoq and Hachigatsu
Literally me.
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>>16100698
Literally.
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Babymetal is /alt/.

Prove me wrong.
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>>16100653
Do you remember the setting? Any clue which group it was?
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>>16100741
They're so popular that they would overwhelm the thread, thus having their own general.

End of discussion.
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>>16100741
But they're not idol any longer
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>>16100741
Babymetal. Aren't. Idol. They. Are. A. Metal. Group.

Get it through your thick fucking head.
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Honestly, Babymetal is the greatest idol group of our generation. They deserve to have their own thread.
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>>16100762
>idol group
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>>16100756
Metal. Idol.
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>>16100765
Are you the same guy from last time? Because I proved you wrong. Babymetal aren't idol.
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>>16100745

>Any clue which group it was?

That's actually what I was trying to figure out. The only thing I remember is a qt wota wearing a white t shirt and bandana.
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>>16100769
>proved you wrong
topkek
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>>16100779
Prove to me how they are idol then fag
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>>16100580
Exhibit L?
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>>16100762
overproduced trash.

we all know bish is the best.
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>>16100849
bish is way more over produced

bish is straight trash
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>>16100745

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/762209269634572288/pu/vid/1280x720/SM04FFsBR5kKWPoL.mp4

found it. Turns out it's kkk46.
wrong thread i suppose.
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>>16100852
not even close to how overproduced babymetal sounds. bish sounds fairly raw, lo-fi even.
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>>16100880
Now you're just making things up
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>>16098783
What group is she from?
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>>16100741
They're a mainstream rock band that's opening for Red Hot Chili Peppers. Thanks for playing
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>>16100881
babymetal is the most overproduced generic metal in the world. they're fucking boring.

you can hate bish, but to say that they are more produced than bm is absurd. bish has a catchy yet innovative sound and better singers than literally every /alt/ idol group.
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>>16100478
>>16100438
KOTO would never do that, she's a good baby who only drinks milk.
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>>16100888
Zenbu Kimi no sei da
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>>16100925
Yuzu really doesn't want to be there.
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>>16099162
To be fair, I think that everyone in YLMLM is bland and talentless and also maybe genuinely retarded, not just the one girl.
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>>16100928
She was one that suggested the group pic.

Oh and just a few days ago they announced a christmas gig with banmon and zenkimi together.
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>>16100924
And energy drinks. Note Koto's armpit.

https://aww.moe/m77218.mp4
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>>16100924
Id drink her titty milk
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Are chanmomos tits real?
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>>16100956
So much of Chanmomo is artificial she might be the first person to achieve singularity.
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>>16100908
>better singers than literally every /alt/ idol group
Slow down there family.

>>16100924
Let's all give our thanks to milk for KOTOs bazingas!
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>>16100972
Well, i would place Aina in the S-tier of alt group singers.
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Koto is one of those girls who always wears sweats because she's embarrassed by her gigantic titties
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>>16100972
>Slow down there family

>having this shit of an opinion
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>>16100951
please do not do that

>>16100994
please do not draw attention to her big fat melons, she is embarrassed
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Honestly, BiSH is the greatest idol group of our generation. They deserve to have their own thread.
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>>16101007
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>Death Rabbits are now Desu Rabbits after that "final" one man live

what did they mean by this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzAdcvK9xo
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>>16101051
we've been meme'd on, that's what it means
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>>16101059
That cheeky general manager
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>>16101009
this
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>>16100075
Bit of an overreaction. If I cared about earning indie cred, I'd be like that faggy homicidol blogger or something, not posting anonymously in a thread on /jp/.

I'm just saying that the underground idol scene really isn't about the music although I have no problem if you enjoy some of it as I do myself. I would listen to BiS and KOTO even if they weren't idols for example. I'm just saying that it's way more about meeting the girls, making friends, learning calls, lifting, and so on than the music itself. The live experience is at the core of all this. To be recognised by an idol you like is an amazing thing. I highly recommend it.

Anyway, I don't look down on anyone so long as they're not showing up in this thread and whining that the girls can't sing. That implies that they really have no idea what this is all about.
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>>16101178
There's literally nothing wrong with pointing out that a singer doesn't sing well.
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>>16101051
Not the first time they did this.
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>>16101190
I'd agree with you if this thread was about professional singers rather than idols but it isn't.
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>>16100981
>>16101001
Aina is the only great one.
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>>16101190
Yes there is

Half the time it isn't even true they just sing differently
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>>16101178
Just because you prefer the social aspects of a hobby and not the actual hobby itself doesn't make it the core focal point of the entire interest.

"It's not about the music"

You mean the entire point of following a group that sings and dances, isn't about the music? You do know how dumb that sounds right?

Let me get this straight, you follow groups you don't even like musically, that you know aren't talented but follow just because you have friends that do like the group or just generally enjoy the atmosphere of the shows? That just sounds like normal faggotry to me.

"I like making friends and meeting the girls"

Look, I understand a massive part of the appeal of idol culture are the girls themselves but you do realize that they're a music group first and foremost, right? You could literally do the exact same with any other type of media.

"I don't like this actresses movies or her acting itself, but I like meeting her and getting to shake her hand, she's also really cute and I made friends while in line to meet her"

You could very well replace your interest in idols with anything and get the same kick/adrenaline rush.

>I don't look down on anyone so long as they're not showing up in this thread and whining that the girls can't sing.

Basically, you're saying you don't look down on anyone as long as they circle jerk with you and agree with you that singing and the actual music don't matter. How does that make any sense? Do you realize how delusional you sound? To me it comes off as if you're jaded and have no real reason to follow the idol scene. How do you even manage in your head to assume that what you think is "the core point of idols" is the end all be all of idol culture?

Like I said, I've been into idols for years now, I genuinely enjoy the music and practically stalking cute Japanese girls and sharing pics of them as if they were trading cards is fun to me.

But the music comes first, because they are a music group.

If I don't like the music, even if there are cute girls in the group, why should I care?

Oh, right. I don't live in Japan, or go to live events so whatever I say or do doesn't matter. I simply just don't understand, right?

Did you happen to write the idol history book by any chance?
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>>16101263
>whatever I say or do doesn't matter

You're starting to get it!
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I want to be Azuki...
https://twitter.com/nicamoq/status/797849996208918528
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>>16101263
Shan't be reading a word of this.
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>>16101263
not that tl;dr anon, but I concur with the music idea. However, after finding a group with cute music, if none of the members interest me, i won't get invested.

If there are 1 or more that interest me, then the points that anon made are there to make it even more enjoyable and therefore makes it an experience you could not get anywhere else.

There are many ways to go into this and none of us who post here are the end-all authority on how you are allowed to think. I will say, however, that without the events, you're left with only one side of the whole experience.
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>>16100075
most of the people in these threads are autistic, hipsters, or both.
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i seriously think You'll Melt More and Hauptharmonie are musically the best groups on earth all countries and genres combined

what now
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>>16101324
i think ur gay
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>>16101263
I agree with you 100% but please don't
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>>16101308
Why? Because you can't come up with actual rebuttals to what I wrote? Kinda proves my point and proves >>16101313 right.

You're just a jaded hipster.
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>>16101308
stop avatar posting
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>>16101263
No you're missing the point

"Bad" singing is good

That's it that's all.
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>>16101324
no one actually likes yurumerumo their music. they just like the meme-tastic younapi-obasan and ano.
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>>16101324
>Hauptharmonie

in that case it's even more important to go to their events
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>>16100086
>>16100580
son of a bitch
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>>16101338
Kill yourself
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>>16100828
I want to consume adult beverages and engage in adult activities..







Such as: planning retirement savings and deciding how to decorate our detached house, that we are having built in a plot of land in a nice neighbourhood.
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>>16101262
>>16101234

The same is true if they dance bad, or they have a bad stage presences and personality, etc.

Just because are jacks of all trades in the entertainment world doesn't mean that they can get away with mediocrity or sub-par in any one aspect.
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>>16100852
>autism detected
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>>16101338
mendoi shindoi punk ga suru ka is a 10/10 song, five stars and two thumbs up, speak for yourself nerdlord
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>>16101338
you're stupid, I love them and their music, I listen to it in my car, on my headphones, in my room, I love listening to it
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>>16101356
See
>>16101334
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>>16101356
>The same is true if they dance bad
Idol dancing is nothing in the professional world, so they all dance bad. Their stage presence will never measure up to professional wrestlers. Also probably every hostess has them beaten for personality.

Like what's the point of mincing over this shit? If you care so much about music listen to Opera singers.
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>>16101360
>>16101363
Stop replying to stale bait.
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>>16100613
>your favorite idol group will never do horrible covers of charles manson's music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dibxfgOTmrI
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>>16101369
He's the true homicidol. My favorite is Sick City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mbX8Ud-q68

In the end what matters is that an idol is cute.
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While you guys bicker, I declare these girls best girls of thread.
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>>16101367
>Idol dancing is nothing in the professional world

Some idol groups have amazing choreography, no idea what you're talking about here. Even groups with bad choreography, it's still quite the easy thing to get over.

>Their stage presence will never measure up to professional wrestlers

Okay, thankfully this isn't pro-wrestling or UFC.

>Also probably every hostess has them beaten for personality.

I highly doubt hostess' have interesting personalities.

>If you care so much about music listen to Opera singers.

I don't like Opera, you fucking nerd. I like girly pop music.
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>>16101373
you pretended to be him?
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>>16101330
>Why?

Reddit spacing, quotation marks, and tl;dr.

I see no point in us going back and forth in longwinded posts like that when it's pretty clear we just disagree and aren't going to change our minds on the matter. Have a nice day, anon-kun.
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>>16101388
I don't know why you're retardedly quoting my half assed post. All I'm trying to assert is that the only thing an idol has to do at a professional level is be an idol. This entails a number of different things but she doesn't even have to be good at any of them, all she has to be is cute.
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>>16101367
>>16101388
I kind of wish opera idols were a thing now. Someone should cover that niche.
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>>16101385
Not on my watch. They are not the best girls.
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I wonder how it would feel like to have her scream at a megaphone that is pointed at my balls.
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>>16101393
>Reddit spacing
You're doing the exact same thing.

>Quotation marks
Last time I greentexted, anon didn't understand me, it's been a force of habit since, get the fuck over yourself with "muh 4chan mannerisms", been on this site for nearly a decade.

>tl;dr
Lack of attention span? Maybe instead of going to all those idol events you should read a book.
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>>16101399
Chase your dreams, go to japan and be the producer of a opera idol group.
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>>16101409
Stop.
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>>16101393
funny how you stopped avatar posting w

a bit self-conscious eh?
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>>16101424
He only used two pictures after all.
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Miyuchii
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>>16101367
>>16101398

Going with the "It's okay if idols are bad at X because they're not professional Xs" you may as well add "It's okay if idols aren't that cute because they're not on the same level as models"

>All this because someone said that he doesn't like YLMLM
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>>16101433
exact same pics, blatant attention seeking to make his posts stand out
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>>16101424
I posted two pics of Montero and have no new ones to post right now. I don't think this counts as avatar posting, anon.
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What is an idol?
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>>16101440
But bad singing is good
Bad dancing is fun
Ugly idol are cute
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>>16101444
Two different pics actually.
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>>16101440
Models are cute? No, they're sexy, they look good in clothing, etc. Idols do modeling, some are better at it than others. I'm talking about cuteness here, please try to keep up.
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>>16101454
Okay but some of us prefer non-ironic good dancing & singing and cuteness
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>>16101468
The two aren't mutually exclusive
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>>16101475
?
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>>16101470
So you dont like brgh huh
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>>16101440
Dude did a retarded blanket statement about how nobody likes YLMLM for their music which he should know is wrong if he was even remotely acquainted with the scene.
Not even the first time he does this too.
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>>16101453
A miserable pile of cuteness.
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>>16101424
>>16101444
>please stop posting images of idols in this idol thread everyone. Avatar posting is NOT OKAY.

The absolute state of you.
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>>16101470
Youre funny anon
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>>16101436
Is cute!!
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>>16101475
>>16101484
!
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>>16101475
Of course not, there are cute singers, cute dogs, cute drawings, cute rocks, none of these are idols. I guess it's just beyond me. If you are some guy who really cares about vocals and tone and all that shit that I don't, I think that's fine but maybe this isn't at all the place for it.

I wish I could find the video but there's a dempagumi video where at the start they're all on leg. Nemu was put in back because she can barely do it and even for those 6 seconds she had to do it she looked like she was going to fall over and probably did a few times. No one has to go on about how shit her balance is because it just didn't matter, even if it's an accurate critique it doesn't belong because the second you get critical of idols they basically vanish. Shared delusion etc.

I imagine that's why people here fucking hate all the bloggers evaluating the music because they're just taking it too fucking seriously. Same sort of people who never understood why they got called posers at punk shows.
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>>16101522
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>>16101510
>I will never Miyuchii's dog, giving her a warm welcome after a long and arduous national tour
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>>16101540
Gou is getting Pretty old. I dread the Sad Day that he won't be with us anymore.
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>>16101533
both girls from Baked Spaghetti and Prosciutto Ham are legitimately cute, even if they have to constantly make meme faces in character
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Are they allowed here?
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>>16101592
Never have been idols, never will be. Same goes for Suiyobi no Campanella and that gorilla shit.

I'm gonna be nice and recommend you start a thread for these types.
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>>16101592
i love them, but this >>16101598
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>>16101571
this is true.
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>>16101598
They've done shows with idol groups and even opened for BiS.
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>>16101612
yeah. but still not idols.
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>>16101612
Yeah? That does not make them idols. They don't identify as idols themselves. I've seen gacharic spin appear with idol groups, but gachapin isn't an idol group.
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>>16101612
>Momoclo have done shows with KISS therefore Gene Simmons is a Japanese idol
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>>16101612
how can you be this new
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>>16101612
>>16101620
Is someone just copy-pasting shit from the archive? I swear I already most of the """arguments""" in this thread.
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>>16101616
>>16101617
>>16101620
>>16101622
Should've pointed out I'm not the anon asking if they're allowed here, literally just stating they've done stuff with idols before, not arguing that they are or aren't idols.
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>>16101646
I member!
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>>16101646
>>16101678
I should have asked megumon if I could dip my bald head in oil and rub it all over her body
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>>16101646
>>16101678
Feels pretty bad knowing BiSH is too mainstream for Aina the End to ever do something this lewd.
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>>16101715
maybe? i think ling ling would be the only one not on board.
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>>16101727
Where does Ayuni fit in this picture?
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>>16101735
i'll be honest, hadn't thought of that. i don't know.
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>>16101735
>>16101738
i do know ling ling is the only one who has come out against anything like that.
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May someone please translate or summarize what this is saying i saw this from a twitter post and its been bugging me of what this is suppose to say
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>>16101780
wrong thread.
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>>16101785
please throw me to thread so i may leave with tail between legs
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>>16101793
>>16100113
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>>16101263
>but follow just because you have friends that do like the group or just generally enjoy the atmosphere of the shows? That just sounds like normal faggotry to me.

Not the same guy, but you same to miss a bit the point. I agree with him in the sense that music is only part of the equation that make a group enjoyable. The type of show they manage to put is.

That's were wotas become so important, with the MiX, chant etc... They are litterally part of the perfomance. Just look at Stereo Tokyo, their show are awesome but the girl almost don't even sing, and all their "interventions" are done to get the crowd fired up to the maximum point.


Also, I doubt that you may end up going to see the same show "10 time a month" just for the music, just look at what this guy said:

https://youtu.be/C8U0Tz00l5o?t=392
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>>16101715
Aina already posed naked in an Idol and Read issue.
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>>16101830
I've seen her naked in the flesh, u jelly?

I fooked aina, AMA
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>>16101830
You forgot to post an image there, friendo.
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>>16101830

where?
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I like when idols do a show on Sunday morning because it reminds me that this is basically my religion and I'm worshiping at the altar of little girls
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>>16101834
kek no
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>>16101861
Now that I think about it the first time I saw Pikarin was a Sunday Morning and I literally did bow down in worship
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>>16101851
>>16101855

Idol and Read number 6, free preview provided
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>>16101869
You seem to have accidentally posted a preview of this month's issue of Horse Illustrated.
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>>16101869
That's not aina.
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>>16101880
woops, sorry anon. Here the real preview, actually from the same issue.

I recommend to buy it, it also contains rare pics of Chiffon with long hairs
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>>16101888
Wow she got no boobs.
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>>16101891
Flat is justice, pleb.
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>>16101891
she's called the end for a reason
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>>16101891
we already knew this.
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>>16101904
i would tongue punch her fart box.
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>>16101904
I'd like to visit her zone of the enders.
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>>16101904

that's not her.
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>>16101921
still though >>16101912
even if it isn't
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>>16101921
wrong.
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>>16101904
I would drag my dick through a mile of broken glass just to hear her fart through a walkie-talkie.
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>>16101571
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I want Misaki to make the same face for our wedding photo.
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It seems safe to post BiSH now?
What happened to all the people that used to bully me?
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>>16102180
Shitposters are asleep, post cute idols.
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>>16102180
BiSH is absolute garbage. Get some fucking taste.
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>>16102184
I'm not asleep (yet) senpai
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>>16102199
Please don't say rude things!
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>>16102199
>autism speaks
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>>16102222
Literally the only reason to care about BiSH >>16102232
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>>16102199
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>>16102199
pleb
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>>16102199
>>16102235
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>>16102244
This is legitimately the best she's looked.
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>>16102306
She always looks good

best girl
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>>16102246
I can't be the only one that can't tell Chitti and Aina apart, they look exactly the same.
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>>16102317
They don't. Chitti is the adorable one, Aina is the monkey face.
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>>16102321
So, which is >>16102246 ?
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>>16102317
Are you fucking retarded
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>>16102329
Are you trying to ask a question?
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>>16102317
are you new?
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>>16102336
Never cared for BiSH, but sure let's make you feel like a special little snowflake. I'm new. Just registered on this site last week.
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>>16102317
They have different hair colors! In a pinch just think about the one you'd love more gently, that will be Chitti.
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>>16102344
>Can't even reply to posts properly
>Calls me new
kek
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>>16102348
yeah i fucked up, but whatever makes you feel better faggot.
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>>16102351
Thanks for the laugh, have a good one m8.
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Maybe he has some kind of color blindness? If their hair was the same color it could be a little confusing back when it was the same length.
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>>16102355
no. they still look nothing alike.
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>>16102358
They look alike to me, they could practically be sisters.
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>>16102361
HOW
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>>16102370
Maybe I'm being racist, but I feel their face/nose/cheek structure is fairly similar. Their eyes in particular.
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>>16102374
>Their eyes in particular.

and they both primarily communicate in chings, chongs, bings, and bongs!
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>>16102378
Sounds like megabits and flip flop language.
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I wish the newfags would leave
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>>16102361
ladies and gentlemen we have a racist in our midst.
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>>16102392
I wish faggots like you would leave
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>>16102361
get your eyes checked anon.
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>>16102458
Not gonna lie, I have terrible vision.
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Guide to how to tell them apart, thank me later:
Chicchi
>always uses retarded filter and is whack
Aina
>doesn't use a retarded filter and is a godess

It's that easy!
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Oh, is this the BiSH thread?
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>>16102477
Yes friend, welcome.

Pic related, it's the best girl Ling Ling sitting next to Aina.
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>>16102479
No fuck off
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>>16102479
and kill yourself.
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>>16102513
is this the fuck off thread?
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>>16102517
>>16102513
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>>16102517
Stop shilling your group here Anthony Hologram.
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I feel sustained.
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>>16101524
>called posers at punk shows.

What fucking la la land enterna-high school world are you living in?
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>>16102578
I apologize if I'm dealing with british born shit posters, but people in america never get past highschool I find.

It's always the same fucking shit. Everyone always hates the asshole searching for some grand conclusion.
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>>16101287
i want to be Azuki too and bite Nicamoq! i bet she tells Azuki about her day and how shes feeling
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Oyahoro live starting soon but the stream is already going: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/retou
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>>16103290
i hope Kanamiru streams her pee into my mouth
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>>16103290
>http://www.ustream.tv/channel/retou
thanks friend!
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>>16102358
>>16102370
>>16102394
>>16102422
>>16102477
Chicchi is the retarded looking one, Aina is the fat one.

EASY
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Would you go see the new Minions movie with Kechon?
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>>16103594
No shes a filthy halfbreed
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I want Emi to kick my ass
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>>16103607
A CUTE halfbreed!
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>>16102240
Are there any other Ayuni shops?
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so BPM15Q changed their name to CY8ER?
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>>16103290
great live. Nailed songs at encore, it was even longer than expected.
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>>16103850
and 2 new members,
so who's it gonna be, one of rinahamus other project members?
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>>16103850
>>16103905
Fucking why, it was perfect. Two-girl units are the best. Also new name sucks but it's understandable why they can't use BPM15Q anymore.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO7QE-1HZOk&feature=share

Maison Book Girl x Bellring collaboration on c.a.n.d.y

Kanra and Wada form a good pairing.
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Looks like Hina and Misaki from KissBee went to Trump Tower to try and meet with the man and play cards, from what I understand they want to try and strengthen relations between USA and Japan?

I guess the whole Trump thing is a bit more funny to Japanese people, I believe it also takes the meaning of playing cards...

https://twitter.com/CUG_kissbee/status/798148935114067968

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_LjSAU0FjE
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>>16103944
Bonus:
Mizuho's snow irony, a capella edition

https://twitter.com/cnomrkm/status/798166265806266369
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>>16103973
Stop it hurts
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>>16104025

I know it is hard, but we must tell her goodbye with a smile anon.
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Which idol would give the best head?
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>>16104112
Kanra.
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>>16104118
Remove this
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>>16103850
Just what went through their heads when they settled for that name
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>>16104126
It's brilliant, chill.
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>>16104129
She's way too smart for me
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>>16104129
fucking kill yourself
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ul7XG0FEJY
>this is the typical bpm15q fan
>these are the people who keep posting about nicamoq
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>>16104231
Hey that's my channel! Please don't post it here, that's embarrassing.
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>>16104239
fuck off
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>>16104231
Nice try there are no girls on /jp/
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>>16104287
I can be a girl if you want.
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>>16104231
transraciality is going alt
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>>16104231
But I'm a good looking male in my 20s with a fit body and chiseled muscles?
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>>16104385
Me too
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New members. Lips-chan has potential!
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>>16104416
Left looks like shes gonna be really pretty, that's basically a perfect jaw
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>>16104431
It's pretty good but best jaw line in alt idol still belongs to Tentenko.
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>>16104231
She needs a better mic.
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Does Rinahamu have ADD? Too many projects.
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>>16104231
It's just some wanna be beckii cruel
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>>16104558
I want to be idol Cheki Cruel
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Chanmomo for next OP please!
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>>16104693
I hereby proclaim this the official theme of Chanmomo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A
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reminder that august-obasan is bffs with av actress yurika and already has the necessary connections to make the lucrative transition into mature av.
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>>16104771
thats a long piece of poop
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>>16104773
Nice! I want her to do an AV scene in that hot bee costume.
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>>16104416
oh, hadnt seen puffy vulv- I mean eyes in a while
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>>16104773
>>16104833
Get the fuck away from my oshi you fucking animals.
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>>16104773
Am I remembering wrong or was it some made up rumor, that someone was making JAV based on their bus tour
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>>16104906
It's not a rumor. The DVD was already released.
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yotsu a cute
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>>16104773
wasn't one of their MVs shot by an AV director too or am I imagining things?
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What so oyasumi has connections to the av scene or what? Or is it just coincidence? I could see kana doing some gal jav
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>>16105126
Yeah this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5pn5DT3r80

Also the AV company he belongs to released a concert movie they were a part of with Nature Danger Gang and Have A Nice Day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvXUwPzrSBQ
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Are there any pure idol left?
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>>16105356
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>>16105356
Rin is pure
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>>16105356
Yuzu is pure!
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>>16105385
I don't believe that she doesn't even wear pants!
>>16105362
Maybe she wore a one piece bathing suit but the way she dyes her hair so much i have my doubts
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What should the basis be for determining an idol's purity? Or i guess in this sense an alt or chika idol's purity.
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>>16105385
gay idol wtf!?
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>>16105421
For instance i know she really isn't technically an idol anymore but tentenko seems pure these days but she was willing to do some very questionable things with bis. Like showing her ass in full glory in the pic posted earlier in the thread. Now i know bis was trying to be as un-idol as possible but if she's willing to do something like that she cant be pure right?
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>>16105356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2A9SSAWwj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkxX4Qk_n18
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posture is important
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Test
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BPM15q - what started out as a great electropop duo changed their name and added more members. what could possibly go wrong!
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>>16105652

Man... the girl on the right has some bedroom eyes...
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>>16105755
I hope Nicamoq doesn't get jealous from not being Rinahamu's only partner.
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>>16105763
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>>16105652
It's that little crack that does it. All she has to do is open her mouth JUST a little and she goes from cute to sexy. She knows exactly what she's doing with such an innocent gesture.
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Which idol is the most entertaining to follow on the social medias?
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Nijicon's loli is probably mentally handicapped

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/785844712901054465/pu/vid/720x1280/-zVH1skOGt2g6spm.mp4
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>>16106199
i'm ok with this. they need our love the most.
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>>16106146
Any Drop member's twitter is fun to look through
https://twitter.com/oobaharuka/status/797082419698356224
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>>16105764
its ok, she has Azuki-chan now
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>>16105356
having av connections is as pure as one can get.
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https://twitter.com/passcodeO/status/798391518126084101

What /alt/ is thinking about the recent Passcode communication strategy ?
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>>16106690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ2sELDrHyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw27-Kdn6jQ

Related, Passcode and Ladybaby at Aomori
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>>16106690
"Please wait until we come to your town"

Yeah, all gaijins stay out from passcode gigs from now on
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>>16106461
thought someone photoshopped a piece of shit from the thumbnail.
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Oyasumi
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>>16105755
All good things should come to an end. Rip BPM15Q, I will forever remember you Nicamoq.
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>>16106743
me too, turns out Saki really was in the photo all along
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>>16107105
kek
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>>16106792
Are pure!
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do we have a lawsuit on our hands?
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>>16107158
if they're so pure then how come i can't even begin to put into words how baldy i want to do lewd things with Kanamiru!
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>>16107460
Is this a JAV parody?
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>>16107605
>baldy
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>>16107460
Whats the code for jav?
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>>16107735
urafaggot
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>>16107844
fuck off
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When are we getting a quality alt idol JAV parody on the same level as RKI-415?
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So this is the BPM15Q album coming out? https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01M2CLYZH/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_awdl_xL_IxZkybT8SZFCA
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>>16107951
yeah, 2 new songs on it though so thats good
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>>16107863
forgive me moga!
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>>16107460
what's the source, man?
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>>16107697
>>16107735
>>16108452
It's the second generation of draft members from AKB48, fucking retards.
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>>16108482
Ok AKB master
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>>16108482
nigga, like I would know any akb members.
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>>16108491
why not? are you not a fan of idol?
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>>16108490
>>16108491
Not my fault you are casual hipster and don't enjoy idols.
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>>16108501
akb songs are not in my taste, I prefer, rawer, a bit more powerful music.
I
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>>16108504
>>16108501
>>16108482
You already have a thread for this shit
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>>16108509
>casual idol fan

found him!
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>>16108504
>>16108525
yeah! i bet he hasn't even played and jacked his dick off to the AKB dating sims on the PSP! what a fuckin loser, unlike us cool idol diehards!
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>>16108521
I didn't post it, i just answered the ones asking for source so people would stop asking for it but now people will keep baiting with offtopic shit anyway.
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>>16108552
>defending his casual faggotry

hehe
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>>16108482
>AKB48
im not familiar with akb and their one thousand members.

bish is better.

>>16108552
youre projecting pretty hard there.
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>>16108552
I javk off to Divi Dead on psp bruh
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https://twitter.com/nicamoq/status/798547108542304256
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>>16108667
Nicamoq is a girl of many talents! Wan-wan!
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>>16108525
>>16108563

>If you're not into the largest, most popular, and most mainstream and accessible international idol group of all-time, you're casual

I didn't know that today was backwards day.
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Will the next op contain up and coming idols again?
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>>16108841
No, we're merging with AKB general after this thread.
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>>16108788
You clearly wouldn't fit with actual wota in Japan. Go find something else you won't half ass.
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>>16108850
Who gives a shit
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>>16108850
Most wota are dedicated to only a handful of groups actually and most akb wota are only dedicated to akb so you're full of shit
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>>16108885
And that keeps them from having basic knowledge of the biggest idol groups... right....
Go buy yourself a ticket to Japan and see how wrong you are
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>>16108891
No, YOU buy me a ticket
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>>16108891

>basic knowledge

I know that they exist and have like 20 different spin-off groups, that's basic knowledge. Why would I bother to memorize 100s of names and faces from an idol group I don't care about?
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>>16108983
>why shouldnt i half ass things?
>wah wahhh
>bbeing a casual is finneee
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>>16108988
I would be half-assing it if this was a AKB thread and I was a so-called AKB wota. It's not tho
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ITT fag gets exposed for being a shit eating cross poster and tries to deflect
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>>16108988
I'm sorry but not being interest in akb doesn't make you a casual you fucking faggot

As long as you are heavily devoted to groups you are interested in it doesn't fucking matter

So many of these alt groups were formed and are directed at people who don't like traditional idol music but still like idol. Just watch the fucking oysm video the producer says it himself. Same thing goes for bis etc
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>>16108988
this is a really odd point you're trying to make, anon.
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>>16109032
if you're going to cross post, at least try not to be fucking retarded
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>>16108482
>fucking retards
fucking retarded hipsters

Ftfy
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>>16105436
Happy idol. So happy.

And short. Short happy idol.
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I'm so glad the sub-humanism of the modern moba player so easily transfers to literally every fucking topic.
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Liking AKB is like being a fan of Saturday Night Live.

Liking altidols is like being a fan of Adult Swim.

Liking oyasumi hologram is like being a Sam Hyde fanboi
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>>16109172
oyaholo isn't that good
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Why the fuck everyone's taking the bait from that autismo. It's like you've been on boards for a week or some shit.

>>16109172
Oyahoro is the best thing that came out of alt idol fyi.
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Napi is ____
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>>16109405
Napi is Fappy

Happy Fappy Younapi

also, she's such a babe
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They're wearing matching tshirts... of themselves
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>>16109172
i dont know what any of these things are.

can we get back to /alt/
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i like kit cat!
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>>16109405
Thighs.

>>16109457
Cosho and Seiko did it better.
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>>16109405
my gf
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>>16109423
>Napi is Fappy
Fuck off! Younapi is neither a fish nor an anti-masturbation marine mammal!
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>>16109627
>mfw
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>>16102184
who is this
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>>16109714
Hey thats fuckoff-chan!
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>>16109725
useful. i found her anyway.
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>>16109714
That's Misa from Stereo Tokyo. Follow her on Twitter for your daily dose of chubby cheeks:

https://twitter.com/st_tokyo_misa
>>
For elitist hipster fucks you guys sure are quick to spoonfeed.
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>>16109763
it's just someone trolling
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>>16109733
Recently I've been loading up Stereo Tokyo shows on youtube to fall asleep to, works pretty well.

But the other night I had this on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AoBToRpuU

Then youtube does it's thing and yanakoto sotto mute woke me up 3 hours later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yuNE8ilZyc
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>>16109779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GJmnJUhPws

Godzilla Stereo Tokyo was best Stereo Tokyo
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yotsu a cute
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>>16109763
>spoonfeed

leave your /b/ memes in /b/. We're not keeping idols a secret.
>>
New thread:

>>16109797

>>16109797
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>>16109763
Just go back to your akb thread already
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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