M3-38 Thread

guise where is muh camelia album m3 is happening 2day where is my upload fucking upload it piece of shit that bought it

SOMEONE PLEASE GO TO 「う-16a」AND PICK UP THE ALBUM [weather] by ekko + yokotsuka yuuya AND [sols] by yokotsuka yuuya.


I WILL PAY YOU FOUR TIMES THE AMOUNT PAID (by paypal, skrill, webmoney, whatever the fuck you want).

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>>16040101
filled with people who don't leak enough

sasuga

>>16040105

Just join on Saturday, upload some random lossless albums, buy DL links and leak

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>>16040099
160 opus to aac to 320 mp3 transcode now available at only the best place fresh full of selfrips

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>>16040118
but most of the stuff i want is hidden behind one fucking million thousand gay nigger ass red text and restrictions xd

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>>16040129

Is there a better way of finding out the genres of the music apart from going through and checking each crossfade? The subheadings are generalized.

>>16040101
Is this really the only way to get _everything_ that's purchased and uploaded to the internet

>>16040259

Doujinstyle Preview Thread

http://www.doujinstyle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=16408

Has crossfades sorted by genre

Also that site isn't the 'only way' but it has the most out of anything I've used.

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Nevermind boys

>>16040099

My proxy managed to get all three of these albums

He's so GOOD at this

>>16040259
>The subheadings are generalized
Most of them are close enough that if you like one you'll probably like the rest in that section. That's the idea at least, obviously nothing can be perfectly categorized without having hundreds of different sections.

>>16040269
m3 is a lot easier than comiket, it is smaller and the turnout is a lot lower

>>16040265
Sorry, I meant more like
Circle - Album Name - Genre - Crossfade Link - Website
The problem with the current system is they're grouped under general headings; for example
>UK / Freeform / ... ) Hardcore / J-Core / (Psy / Hard) Trance / (Tech / Hard) Dance / Makina
Of these I only like Hardcore, J-core and trance, but would prefer to not have to sort through other crossfades to discover new circles.

>>16040293
If you look through the posts in the actual thread, most of them have specific genres on them. Some people don't bother adding them, but some do.
The DS preview thread is basically the only thing that even attempts to organize things by genre, anything else you'll find is mostly just unorganized lists.

>>16040298
>>16040286
Oh, sorry. I usually just look at the spreadsheet.

>>16040305

Gotta say it again..If you really care about music then you'll atleast put forth the effort to go out of your way to look in other places.

>>16040313
Yes. I sometimes look at my private tracker. If I can figure out the forum posted above I will get stuff off there too but I'm busy for a little while..

>>16040092

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Got these

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Time to wait again for our glorious chink overlords

ASTOST seems like a really fucking pretentious site.

>>16041246
Why? Is it because you actually don't contribute anything at all so you wanna leech?

>Camellia's latest small EP this M3 has ciphers in the MP3s which he wants people to solve and if people solve them he'll release some more tracks

Interesting gimmick. Feels pretty him.

Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere but mozell also put out a new short CD.

http://mozeen.com/cd_mozegeki.htm

It begins! I've been waiting for this all month

hello everyone. these are the best songs from c90. you may like to listen if you missed them.

Camellia - kannabis kultivation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FzB5IRXKsw

cold kiss - NEXT ONE
this is not on the tube but it is on this suspicious russian site i have never seen before
http://cicimusic.com/?mp3=ZYTOKINE+(cold+kiss)

Yura Hatsuki - Shadows ～影色妖精絵本～
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHsPJLbcO4

MK - axis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le73CDTG4M

USAO - Fucking High
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW-5KTBJ6k

that is all. thank you.

>>16043992
You forgot Kobaryo - Galaxy Friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAT2AQ-IdtY

>>16041561
Rather anti-climatic that you can basically find those by searching the album's title.

>>16041561
Camellia's latest small EP really has bought out the shitty ignorant leecher side of the community this M3 aswell

>>16044405
When did these threads turn into 100% cancer?

>>16044405
>ignorant
what did he mean by this? hmm

>>16044714
they are probably referring to the people begging for a camellia album rip before m3 even started

>>16044740
if they're referring to the first reply in the thread I think its very clearly a joke

>>16044763 The first reply in the thread is a reference to people actually begging for the Camellia album pre-event.

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Happy Halloween, fagets.

https://mega.nz/#!do40SRAL!S442hZ7R9jkBug5X3p4sdUopaWm4YCwcWJrZU0ZZed0

>>16046023
ah shit, been listening to it on bandcamp, waiting for someone to get it.

thanks a bunch, anon

I live in Tokyo and I'll be free during the next two days. If you are willing to transfer through paypal or some shit I can buy a CD if you know the place I have to go to.

>>16046866
I'd consider doing this but I'd only want to get something that otherwise wouldn't be uploaded, and I guess that's kind of hard to pick given that the event was just a few days ago.

>>16047007

Yeah, this is why I wouldn't offer it prior to the event, you way never know what doesn't get uploaded.

>>16046023
you wouldn't have it on flac, would you?

>>16040813
Would you be willing to upload flacs of On the shore of the Eden?

>>16049098
https://bernis.bandcamp.com/album/on-the-shore-of-the-eden

>>16040820
dear god the mameko album please

Waiting for ゆーしえ leak

>>16040815
>>16040813
mama mia

papa pia

pls oh pls gimme da

chrono trigger EP and the walker sp

>>16040815
Not sure if you're going to upload all of them, but I would be in your debt if you could do the Splatoon one.

So how many releases are there on ASTOST for this event already, because this thread seems pretty damn dry.

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>>16051741

>>16051798
so far, absolutely NOTHING of value

>>16051798
the MUSIRISCA EP is pretty good.

>>16051798
>Escapism in FLAC

Yeah nah fuck that cunt.

https://mega.nz/#!UspEgRrZ!B2zgVrWYn_ISPoK5sH7ZhyUX1hZ5co2plCSudgWzrBw

>>16051812
I would like unitone at least.

>>16051798
Fuck, I really need to learn how to get in this website.

>>16053065

If you're just a leecher then you can fuck off. If you actually contribute then come right in.

>>16053370
Not him, but how does it work in short? I mean, how many albums can you download when uploading only one?
I'm late for the party this event, but I might try it next Comiket or M3 if I can actually get more albums by buying one or two than from leeching.

>>16053370
Well, depends on what you mean by contribute.

I have no means of getting event CDs and ripping them.

I have a bunch of old albums and shit on my hard drive, but most of it's probably already up there and in FLAC.

>>16054389
Depends on the popularity of the album. I remember uploading a new album from a popular artist and got a fucking shitload of download points from it. On the other hand, smaller albums only got a couple of downloads.

But basically, you get some download points for uploading albums. People downloading them and giving you points that way is just extra. The larger the filesize, the more points you get. That's why you see WAV+BMP rips up on there. You can set a price on the link and get more points that way. I think the average price is 3-5, but you can set it to 1 or whatever. I believe you get a bonus for uploading a new album within a certain amount of time.

It's all easy stuff once you get used to it. There are English guides on the site which you can check out. If a link doesn't take you to the actual destination but to the front page, make sure that it starts with https and not http.

>>16054865
I don't think anyone cares if you upload an album already on there. A while back I saw like three people all upload the same album and it worked out fine for them.

>>16054888
Thanks! I found the guide and it seems pretty simple, but they allow registration only on Saturdays, so I'm gonna wait till then and try. If uploading non-selfrips of older stuff is allowed then I'm gonna try that, I hope it works.

On another topic, anyone here from Europe ever tried ordering from Diverse Direct? How much does shipping costs? Any problems with delivery, customs, etc.? Opinions?

I'm pretty sure there used to be an english-language guide to registering on astost somewhere, but I can't find it.

Found the international guide to the actual website, but nothing on registering.

>>16055125
The shipping cost is a fucking scam but it works fine.
There was some fiasco last Comiket where they forgot to write part of the addresses on the labels and like half the packages got lost, but they've probably learned their lesson (I would hope at least).

>>16055508
Yeah, found the guide on their site after my last post and it's fucking pricey, if I wanted to order just one copy then it's like a 'buy 2 get 1' offer...
Still, if I get a hold on some money, maybe I'll buy 1 or 2 albums.

>>16044149
Yeah I just searched the title and the second result is an r/osu post saying they found them and posted the links. I don't think Camellia would be very happy about that, but I think it was pretty inevitable.

>>16058845
He addressed it via his Twitter account. He wasn't really happy, but he left it at that. Just that he warned others to prevent spoiling it to others who are actively decrypting the album.

>>16046023
Link is dead.

>>16055125
I ordered two times from DD. Shipping is indeed expensive (2000 yens) but still less than if using a proxy like tenso or other. No problem with delivery the first time.
Like >>16055508 said last comiket they forgot the postal code on the packages but I'm lucky and received mine quickly without problems anyway.
>>16055557 Since shipping cost is always 2000 yen I would recommend to buy lot of albums at once and not just one or two.

>>16059509
Seems like they changed it, now the price increases with the amount of albums you order, at least that's what's written in their guide.
>The carriage is 1,500 yen, up to 3 discs. 2,000 yen, up to 9 discs. 3,000 yen,
up to 18 discs. 5,000 yen, up to 23 discs. 6,000 yen, up to 28 discs. 7,000 yen,
up to 33 discs. 8,000 yen, up to 38 discs. 10,000 yen.

>>16059585
My bad, every time I ordered I had no more than 9 CDs so it cost me 2000 yen both time.
But still it makes shipping a bit expensive for only one or two CD.

>>16059509

Reuploaded Escapism 320k:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4z951bsmffmvz45/cYsmix_-_Escapism.7z

FLAC is down now, too, but I'm not going to reupload since that takes too much time and effort.

>>16058876
The album isn't ripped yet, right?

I'll continue to wait warmly.

>>16060030
9 hours and its already down.
That's pretty quick

>>16059585

tfw orders above 10000 yen for domestic shipping is free but international shipping is expensive

is the new Ariabl'Eyes already out in FLAC ?

>>16062824

No. You can ask Mio but otherwise we'll have to wait for someone to upload FLAC.

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What a hideous cover

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>>16063546
I tried fixing it

>>16063736
you made it worse

>>16063846
I failed fixing it

Has anyone been able to get this album yet?

https://youtu.be/lZsfWx1vaXk

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>>16063736
I think the original has its own charm... But I got curious to finish your idea.

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>remind myself that it's Saturday and it's time to register on astost
>mfw it's 20 minutes past midnight in China
kill me pls
being a leech is suffering

>>16067191
That turned out pretty good! Nicely done

All the uploaders are quitting because of 9tensu.
Great.

>>16068627
What's wrong with 9tensu?

>>16068637
They take everyone's uploads without crediting them and put ads and adf.ly on everything.
Even when the uploaders tell the 9tensu admin to credit them they just reupload the link and refuse to.

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>>16068637
>>16068645
Not to mention this crap

>>16068637
The folder names are awful as well.
Is >>16068627 the cause of the lack of uploads? It's been a week or so and theres only a handful of things on the spreadsheet

>>16068674

I think the main lack of uploads is just that most people haven't gotten their packages yet. I live domestically and I get my diverse.direct package anywhere before Wednesday. I'd also say that 9tensu is an additional factor why albums aren't uploaded anymore though.

I wish that 9jewsu faggot would fucking DIE

FUCKING
DIE

>>16068627
Many mass uploaders have quit because of 9jew. DS dl threads also are getting smaller every year

It's sad that there exists that kind of person in this community.

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9jew and dojew.co need to be shut down

>>16069134
They really should off themselves. I wouldn't upload shit either if I knew it'd be stolen, recredited, and used to make money.

If 9jewsu steals stuff from astost then I'm OK with it. Let them cufk eachother all I care.

>>16069269
then people on astost stop sharing also :^)

>>16069286
I don't really care because I'm not getting stuff from astost.

>>16069297

That still doesn't change the fact that if the uploader stops uploading albums then 9tensu can't steal their potential rips anymore and then its a lose-lose for everyone.

>>16069297
Wait, how does that logic even work?

Astost is more exclusive that DS or /jp/.

If people on DS or /jp/ stop sharing, then you naturally have to move to private trackers or astost.

If people there stop sharing for the same reason, then there'll literally be no way to get your music aside from buying it yourself and never, ever sharing it.

This kills the sharing scene forever.

Also, I fucking forgot to register on astost even though it's Saturday.

>>16068627
I think the most hurtful thing is how blatantly disrespectful they are of the people who make rips. It's like they take pride in stealing rips from what I've seen, considering the way they react to being called out over it.

>>16068627
I fucking hate that site. I'm not turning off my ad blocker for that shit.

>>16070405
You should hate them. They're basically killing the scene and making money off of it.

>>16069232
>oh no people are stealing the music someone else made that I'm giving away for free without permission

who fucking cares

>>16070619
There's a huge difference between giving away something for free and making money off it, especially when it comes to other people's work.

>>16070619
you are a special kind of retarded

>>16069385
it's too early for uploads, anon. It takes two weeks at least. Patience.

>>16070619
>oh no people are making money off of stealing someone else's work!

Wonder how long it'll take for someone to share Cyphisonia EP

cYsmix - Escapism upload died again. Is there a link active?

Also please consider using filesharers that aren't supper notorious, like pomf clones.

>>16071609
cysmix browse /jp/ so im sure it would just be taken down again

>>16071609
Okay, I uploaded a flac version that is 586 MB to one of notpomf clones. Here's the link /2dSin.zip

You should be able to solve this.

>>16070483
I think the worst thing is you can't really do anything about it.

At best you can report their website to the big search engines and get it delisted/banned from their hits which is actually quite normal. It'd kill most of their revenue which comes from lazy casuals.

But other than that the likes of 9jew and dojin truly are pure cancer of the worst kind latching onto the community draining it of all vitality.

They don't even have the fucking decency of proper mp3 rips and you'll find a bunch of the stuff they upload aren't just but fucking low bitrate lossy to lossy transcodes. Seriously what the fuck.

>>16071627

what a shameful faggot

>>16074026
I dislike how he seems to think offering digital downloads exempts him from being pirated. I'm happy to support musicians where possible, but if it's enforced then I'm not so fussed. I don't like his music to begin with anyway.

stellanotes is pretty good.

>>16073981
Well you can always report it to whoever manages the domain.

A quick whois shows the domain registry people as Public Domain Registry.

I've already sent them an email detailing the issues with the site in the hopes that their name is suspended. You should do the same.

As for Google, I can't seem to find a way to report anything if I'm not authorized on the copyright holder's behalf.

>>16074048
Dude I make my music available as widely as possible, you could stream it via Spotify for free if you wanted. Stop whining you don't have the files when you could literally just play it anywhere through any music streaming platform whenever you wanted. Only reason I'm taking down links is to minimize the amount of money I lose off of this CD since it's already going to be in the red. And that link's gonna be dead soon.

>>16074424
>Dude I make my music available as widely as possible
>And that link's gonna be dead soon.

>>16074048
>I'm happy to support musicians where possible, but if it's enforced then I'm not so fussed.
what kind of logic is that? i don't care for it enough to buy the album, but how/why would you fault someone for putting effort toward not losing money on a product they created?

>>16074424
>minimize the amount of money I lose off of this CD
I think it's great that you offer a large variety of places to purchase your music, but the people who pirate it wouldn't buy it to begin with. Personally, I would argue that piracy might cause more people to get exposed to it and get people who would want to buy it, to buy it.

>>16074607
I'm sure with such compelling reviews in an obscure 4chan thread as "I don't like his music to begin with anyway.", people will swarm my bandcamp. That's some backwards logic.
It's my music and it's found on every music service there is. I'm not gonna get comfortable with the idea that piracy is "helping the artist out".
I'm sure you'd argue the same with movies, or any other form of artistic talent that's grossly trampled over as disposable without respect for the artist as well.

>>16074424
You aren't opposed to Doujinstyle promoting the piracy of other artists work when its available via direct download. Why should yours be any different? Further, I said I wasn't interested in your music. I was just giving my opinion on your stance on piracy of your music.

>Spotify

>>16074971
You would still be a nobody if all your old stuff wasn't shared all the time on DS and /jp/
Feel free to believe your delusions that you weren't made by piracy, though.

>They're trying real hard to justify what they're doing as completely fine
I am not trying to justify that piracy is okay; I very much understand that it's "wrong". What I am trying to argue is that cracking down on piracy is not going to somehow bolster your sales and with >>16075045 I would say that it honestly helps your exposure.

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....so uh how bout this m3 so far, some pretty good tunes so far : )

Cysmix didn't do anything wrong. Why you guys have to be such haters for no reason?
>what a faggot, reporting links so people actually have incentive to buy it for a short time after release
>oh i dont like his music im just sayin

>>16075092
Just downloaded that one but haven't listened to it yet. Yura Hatsuki's recent stuff has been godly and her new album is no exception, my favorite from M3 so far.

>>16075116
You will most likely love Amethyst if you loved ORGIA, so I'd highly recommend listening to it when you get the chance

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what happened ?

>>16075844
hypocrite

>>16075844
>Quoting a post from 2012 as if peoples' opinions don't change over 4 years

>>16075844
people change dude just like how your balls fell off

>>16075844


Suddenly he has different tone when it is about himself.

>>16076378
And almost a half-decade later...

>>16076378
Holy shit! It's like someone who was 16 at the time grew up! Who would have thought?

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>>16075045
treat yoself

kys cysmix you hypocritical fuck
also you suck ass at dota

>hypocrisy
Tu quoque.

>>16076460
much wow rich norgefag

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>>16076803
Yep this it is. Cysmix is disgusting.

>>16076276

yeah hypocrites sell out all the time.

sick thread

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maybe you should all direct your anger at the actual problem killing the public uploading scene, then some random artist (pic related)

>>16077212

Agreed. Worry about taking down this website instead.

>>16077626
why take down the entire site when you can easily cut off their money source tied to the actual bank/paypal account via dmca?
dmca.adf.ly

>>16077897
Because you have to be the copyright holder to file a DMCA request, you don't have to be one to file a complaint to their registrar.

>>16077911
I personally know a few artist and I'm pretty sur eI'm not the only one. Hit them up and hopefully we can make this work.

>>16077911
A few doujin artists have already been made aware of and reported 9tensu in the past couple of days

>>16068637
>>16068653
Not to mention the disgusting stuff they do to filenames and tags.

>>16074971
While I have no problem with you going after unauthorized postings of your music, I'll offer that if you made music that wasn't nearly the same for multiple albums, I might buy it. It's good occasionally, but uninspired.

This is coming from someone who almost exclusively listens to doujin music while mobile.

I think that a very effective albeit spammy way of fighting against 9tensu is to send a link of albums to the artists on SoundCloud and explain why 9tensu is bad and that they are making money from adfly'ing their albums then explain what they can do to take them down.

*Link albums here*

"Hello, fan here. I would like to let you know that these albums that you are involved in are being distributed illegally through a website named 9tensu. What they do is upload albums and put adfly. Adfly is used to make money everytime someone clicks their links. In other words, they are making money off of your albums and songs. 9tensu.com domain is registered with Public Domain Registry. What you can do to help fight against this website is to contact [email protected]. 9tensu's IP address is also belongs to Google Cloud Platform services and you may submit a legal request @ https://support.google.com/legal/answer/3110420?rd=2 . I hope this helps."

Something like that but translated into Japanese.

>>16078576
Personally I'm conflicted when it comes to 9T.

On one hand, they steal and try to make money off of it, butcher the tags, and poison the scene. On the other, they provide a publicly accessible archive of releases that might become hard to find after the event.

The more important detail here is that they are the cancer killing the scene, though.

>こんにちは、ここのファン。
私はあなたがに関与しているこれらのアルバムは、ウェブサイトの名前9tensuを通じて違法に配布されていることを知らせたいです。彼らは何をやっていることは、アップロードアルバムとadfly入れてあります。Adflyはお金が毎回誰かがリンクをクリックするために使用されます。言い換えれば、彼らはあなたのアルバムや曲のオフにお金を作っています。9tensu.comドメインは、パブリックドメインのレジストリに登録されています。あなたがこのウェブサイトとの戦いを助けるためにできることは[email protected]に連絡することです。9tensuのIPアドレスは、Google Cloud Platformサービスに属しており、あなたはhttps://support.google.com/legal/answer/3110420?rd=2@法的な要求を提出することができます。私はこのことができます願っています。

>>16078593
Wow that was really quick, thanks a lot

>>16078618
It's google translate, but it has the air of being cummed inside. It's probably good enough but I wouldn't use it.

>>16078593
>On the other, they provide a publicly accessible archive of releases that might become hard to find after the event.

You could also just ask. I personally would be happy to upload something I have to a temporary filehost like uguu or similar long after an event if someone asks in whichever doujin music thread is currently up.

>>16078817
it will still end up on 9tensu (most likely monetized) if you do it that way

>>16078593
>they provide a publicly accessible archive of releases that might become hard to find after the event
dojin.co does the same thing without adfly links

This is a long shot, but does anyone have the archives from this thread http://archived.moe/a/thread/46646508 The torrents appear to have no seeders and the DDL links are dead. I managed to find uploads of Party until you puke and Meanwhile at Gainax v1.5, but can't find the others.

>>16078961

Surprisingly, the cysmix album didn't end up being reposted there.

The real problem is threads for this sort of stuff are seasonal on /jp/, and relying on one or very few specific anons to upload older stuff is going to be inconsistent at best.

Generally though, 9tensu is a serious fucking blight. dojin.co isn't great since the admin went kind of retarded, but it's at least slightly better.

>>16079306
because he threatened legal action against their site for any albums of his that were there, the one(s) that were there got taken down.

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>>16077212
>>16074135
http://9tensu.lofter.com/

secondary domain they look like theyre trying to use to avoid the current influx of reports, so report this too if you want to take the time to do so.

>>16079387
>escaping to china

You could also post spam or hate messages on their Facebook. Just scroll down the main homepage to find it

>>16079592
Can I write there that cysmix's albums is shit?

>that motherfucker who uploads stuff on 9tensu

I hate that guy. I can even browser 9tensu due to cancerous amount of ads and third-party scripts running.

>>16074607
>but the people who pirate it wouldn't buy it to begin with
If you're splitting the group of people who pirate a work into "those who will buy after listening" and "those who will never buy regardless", that's obviously a false dichotomy.
>Personally, I would argue that piracy might cause more people to get exposed to it and get people who would want to buy it, to buy it.
This is what things like crossfades and artist recognition are for, on a basic level. It's unarguable that piracy can and will introduce some buyers to an artist by second-hand recommendations from a pirate, but the impact is always a case-by-case basis that's going to depend on audience, release methods, etc. If you aren't taking the artist's wishes into consideration and are trying to decide "what's best for them", that's just self-serving crap. You can guess and claim that the piracy helps, and it can be true, but it shouldn't be for the consumer to decide.

>>16040815
Damn, I didn't know c.o.maps also is there. I still miss that one old story pokemon album from her.

>>16049098
>>16051145
>>16040820
As much as I'd like to share them, I'm still butthurt about the albums I've uploaded last year because they quickly got re-uploaded to the jew sites. I used to be a leech when /jp/ was pretty quick about re-uploading from PD. I'm only sharing it with select people from now on.

As an alternative though, you can go to asstoast. I don't have an account there but I hear most of the releases are uploaded there.

>>16080161
They did a collaboration with c-hicken and I like that circle's acoustic stuff. And I'm glad c.o. maps albums is just as good. I didn't get all their albums cause I ran out of budget but I'm definitely buying the rest when spring M3 comes.

>>16079366

Where?

>>16080161
>Her
Hold the phone, Assamu is a girl?

>>16081055
Real name's Azusa Katoh.

>>16080934
cysmix stuff got taken down from 9tensu

cyphisonia + bonus tracks

192 lol

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>>16086929
>192

What the fuck, man

>>16086929
I don't really understand why everyone wants this..

Camellias stuff lately is very generic, meh

>>16086929
I like Key of timepieces and Dans la mer de son the most. Overall a nice album.

>>16087497
His latest albums have been kind of too hardcore for me and this album seems to tune it back down.

I thought it was a pretty nice album. The morse code and the backwards spooky talking were kind of bothersome though.

>>16088775
I miss his more Nekomata Master style compositions where he liked using that one synth that Nekomata loved using, though he used it in Dans le mer de son and Lost Place in the New World this album which was nice plus the intro song was pretty Nekomata as well.

Even though, I still really like his dubstep/hardcore. Pretty much some of the best in the overall scene IMO.

Realtalk though, Cyphisonia was hype as fuck. GHOST is really good

>>16090091
I liked how it went from heavy twerk to speedy hardcore. The melodies he made for Key of Timepieces were quite good as well. Very creative.

Really looking forward to his next Comiket album which he'll probably do.

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>>16094650
>v1

What's with these intentionally shitty rips?

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>>16094710
From the DS thread

tl;dr whoever's ripping these wants you to buy them

also 9tenjew

>>16094757
>implying faggot lurkers will ever buy anything

>>16094757
What about digital purchases from booth which are 320 or even worse 192

Where does 9T get their music from, if not DS? I thought they just crapified and reuploaded other people's rips, but there's stuff like Afterglow EP (which they're holding out on 'til they get some number of likes on facebook -.-) that isn't on DS and doesn't seem to exist anywhere but 9T...

>>16094757

The problem is that this is bullshit, since "supporting the artists" can often mean having to pay as much as the album costs if not more in handling fees in a lot of situations, if you can get it at all.

If anything uploading lossy can detract from artist "support," since a copy existing(regardless of quality) makes others less likely to upload their own self-rips, and only lossy being available might make the difference between thousands+ people being exposed to an artists work and only hundred(s)+.

ie: Anecdotal, I know, but I'll only bother with downloading v0 if there's no real option and it's a circle/artist I particularly enjoy. But given the option I stick entirely to 320 or FLAC.
But I'm not touching the 192 or v1 bullshit, regardless of if it's from a circle or artist I really enjoy.
And I have a few friends that feel similar/the same.

And it's not like I haven't "supported" artists, I've bought digital and I do have an actual CD, and so have friends that I've introduced to the music.
But if there isn't an easy way of sharing and consuming the media, then the audience is just going to go away.

>>16096157
v0 and 320 are indistinguishable.

256 is stretching it.

192 and v1 are noticeably worse however.

>>16096183
>v0 and 320 are indistinguishable.

People keep saying that.
But I've had issues with v0 in the past, and 320 is at least much easier to spot a re-encode of.

So ultimately that's partially down to my own autism, but the point remains that 192 and v1 is pretty cancerous, especially on albums with no digital release.

>>16096209
I think it just depends on the song. I can barely hear the same "crash" distortion in both v0 and 320 but usually in different parts.

Doesn't matter though, lossy is still lossy at the end of the day and theres gonna be SOMETHING wrong with it somewhere, and you can forget about re-encoding it to something else.

>>16096073

They get it from other chink sites.

>>16096157

maybe I should upload all 40 of my M3-38 albums in MP3 160 CBR just to piss you kind of people off lel

>>16096157
>only lossy being available might make the difference between thousands+ people being exposed to an artists work and only hundred(s)+.
Most people aren't this autistic

>remember to register for asstoast
>you must wait 1800 minutes
>you do not have permission to view this

ugh.

>>16097271
to be fair if you're already in the doujin music scene you almost certainly have some degree of autism

>>16096157
people who want lossless over v0/320k for listening experience are almost certainly on the spectrum

If I knew how to, I would make an easier to use English astost clone so we could all share our rips in peace. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard finding people who reupload shit posted there to hikari no jew/9jew

>>16097851
Astost is just a private set of links. Some of 9tenjew's links are from there.

The only way you'd really be able to do anything would be if you were hosting the files yourself and somehow added a unique signature to files downloaded depending on who downloaded it, so you could ban people, but that's outside of my knowledge.

Even then, you could just transcode the shit to v0 or something and it'd destroy any kind of signature you put in the header or whatever.

>>16097851
There is English guide and English script for Astost.

I don't care what the 9tenjew do, as long I get the album I want , then I'm fine.
astost ? screw that. 9jew save the dayz

psstt , there is a adfly skipper addon from Chrome.

>>16099503
nemofelia we know this is you

>>16099503
You should care, since if all the uploads quit, 9tensu won't be able to steal their rips anymore.

>>16099198
I know, that's not what I mean. It'd be nice having a natively English website just for people who want to upload their rips in peace. There are changes I would like to make to Astost ti improve it but that'll never happen, so making a new site would be best in regards to this. But like the other anon said, 9jews will still re-encode uploads to remove any sort of signature or anything "tied" to the upload and throw it up on other sites. It could potentially be hard tracking and specifically find people who reuploaded albums too. Banning people all willy-nilly wouldn't be fair.

>>16100571
No matter how closed-garden a site is, if we can get in, so can 9t. I think the only way to compete would be to make it easy to get in and upload/download, rather than difficult like astost, since that's 9t's appeal.

If it were just as easy to use 4toast as it is 9t, people would come to our site instead for better quality rips (and no adfly or fb like demands), and uploaders would get recognition.

In theory.

Has anything come of sending the takedown request to the 9T server host?

>>16100706
Domains don't get "taken down" that easily you know...

>>16100748
I more meant if the guy had received a reply. I shouldn't have used "takedown".

>>16075092
This is fucking great, I never listened to this circle before. Anyone knows where I can find their older albums? I'll start by looking at previous events spreadsheets I guess

>>16100706
We got a reply from the domain name registrar, who pretty much said "we're only the registrar. The site runs under Google and you'll have to contact them" and Google only accepts actual DMCAs from copyright holders or authorized agents.

What if we get someone to make an album, post it, and watch as 9T uploads it.

The copyright can be shared by 50 or so people, so all of them can send notices and report them.

Anyone able to make basic music? Or maybe just make an ambient album, just going outside with a microphone then putting a few tunes on top of that.

>>16101075
Where would I report this

>>16101118
I think someone on DS already contacted Cysmix.

>>16101257
I'm cYsmix, however I haven't heard any reply from registrar whereas apparently others have, so I'm willing to bring it to google since the site has infringed on my copyrights, I'm not at all okay about the money being made off of pirated music that don't belong to someone in the first place

Bunch of FLAC up on DS, I guess not all the uploaders have given up.

>Camelia album finally up in 320 on DS

Thank the lord.

Sounds pretty chill/10,
Kind of reminds me of some of the older super atmospheric Aran albums, just with a more "modern" sound.

>>16102635
Yeah, this new album of his has kinda returned to his older instrumental style of a couple years ago. It's nice.

Travis Stebbins is the guy who posted his WIP track here years ago, wasn't it? The guy who participates in the TOHO EUROBEAT albums? Wonder if he still comes here. Vol. 12 is up on 9t and he could contact Google as he's a copyright holder. Are there any other native English-speaking doujin artists around? Guess it'll be best to try and contact them first since there won't be a language barrier.

But even if 9t eventually does go down they'll still have their lofter version of the site. Nothing can be done about that one since its a chink site, right?

since when does MEGA have a bandwith limit? for fuck sake, there goes the last good file hosting place.

>>16104255
Seriously? What's the limit?

>>16099503
the only person who types as retarded as you is the owner of 9tensu, busted idiot

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5GB, i only encountered it now because i DLed a bunch of flac albums.

>>16105288

flactards get what they deserve

>>16104255
>>16105288
clearly v0 is superior. cya placebofags.

the bandwidth limit has been there for at least a month or two. ran into it while downloading some movies.

>>16105288
Either die a hero or live long senough to yadda yadda. Though I guess it was to be expected with the new manager.

>>16105318
>>16105319
I don't think FLACfags are the big issue here, but hey keep ignoring the elephant in the room I guess.

you can just refresh ure IP lol

>>16105324

you can only run your money laundering front revenueless for so long

>[The Root of Heads (Meis Clauson×Rita)] Star's Voice
YES

Really missed this circle. Still frequently listen to Dastinla. If you haven't heard their stuff before or don't normally listen to certain genres or circles, make sure to check them out, /jp/!

>Upload scene has been shit lately, let's go to /jp/ and see what's up
>This thread
Oh. Okay, it had to happen someday. Everything nice must die at some point.

>>16105998
>Dastinla
First time I've heard anyone mention this, I downloaded it a few years ago. Was that a visual novel arrange album?

>>16101279
>I'm not at all okay about the money being made off of pirated music that don't belong to someone in the first place
Then you should recheck your ethics.
Music is not yours. If you don't want people to make money with it, don't release it. You're perfectly free to keep it to yourself, that way nobody will make money.
If you do release it and somebody else makes money with it, it's because he markets it better than you. You don't own me, my money, my PC, my servers, or my headphones.

I'm not supporting 9cancer or anything though, I'm sad for what happened to the scene, I've been here since before Doujinstyle became Doujinstyle, I can't even remember the previous name, I think it was Doujinhome or something. I love doujin music and the healthy scene made me happy. But that doesn't mean you have any legitimate rights over people's internets. At most you should be able to take action against the guy who bought your stuff and first distributed it. Other people made no agreements of any kind with you.

>>16110122
>Music is not yours

Anon that's not at all going to hold up in court.

>Copyright is a legal right created by the law of a country that grants the creator of an original work exclusive rights for its use and distribution.

Stealing a Macbook and selling it for less than its advertised price is not "marketing it better," it's selling stolen goods.

>>16110134
If you can't make the distiction between stealing a Macbook and reproducing information I won't even bother.
Protip: Your Macbook is yours, the information on my brain/server/paper is not.

>Anon that's not at all going to hold up in court.
That's why I said legitimate, not legal. Might as well say "arguing it's only a cartoon and not a real child is not going to hold up in court". It couldn't matter less what holds up in court and what doesn't.

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>>16110291
You're just wrong.

>>16110122
>>16110291

You are an idiot lmao

>>16110134
The other guy is an idiot, but he has a point that the macbook argument is pretty dumb.
(Digital) music isn't a physical thing, there isn't any stock you have to pay for, you can't "steal" it in the same way you would a physical object, if anything it would be like somebody duplicating your macbook, you get to keep your macbook (and even sell it if you want), and another person now has a macbook, which they can also do whatever they want with (obviously disregarding any laws).
You're not losing anything when people pirate your music, unless they would have bought it in the first place (which let's face it, 99% wouldn't have), you're getting free marketing and exposure though, which spoiler: costs a ton of money if you want to actually do my normal means. I think it's kind of ridiculous when artists over-exaggerate the damage piracy does, if anything you should be grateful for mass exposure that would have cost you thousands of dollars if your album never got posted anywhere.

I'm not familiar with production costs but it does cost money to get the CDs, get the cover and possibly booklet printed (don't forget about paying the artist to illustrate anything from a single drawing to multiple pages in a booklet), and I'm sure there are plenty of fees which I'm forgetting as well. Companies tend to give you a discount if you're mass producing your item but it's not as if you're paying pennies with that route. Physical art is not cheap to produce no matter what kind of art it is. So if your album doesn't sell well then there's a very good chance you're selling at a loss. Of course, the cost of production falls drastically with digital releases.

So for someone to obtain an album they didn't make then put it on a site where they'll receive money for it is a pretty dick move. Unless it's specified by the artists their work is not public domain. The amount of money they receive isn't really relevant to this topic, they're still getting it. If you were to create something, putting god knows how many hours into it then something like this happened to you, there's a very good chance you wouldn't be happy about it. Someone else is profiting off your hard work. That isn't right, is it?

>>16110611
>>>16110580
>>(Digital) music
Nobody is talking about physical CDs here, since nobody is making bootleg physical copies and selling them.
Even buying a physical CD, ripping it and uploading the content isn't "stealing" in the same sense the above poster was talking about, you're not stealing a CD from the artist so that they physically have 1 less disc to sell, you're making a copy of the music and distributing it, which isn't the same since it doesn't inherently do harm to the artist's ability to sell their work.
It's really ridiculous to compare the two, which almost invalidates their whole argument, in my opinion.


I'd also like to make it clear that I also don't agree with making money off other people's work, I think it's wrong and really scummy, but I don't think it does any more harm than normal piracy, it's not like these people are masquerading as an official retailer and tricking legitimate customers, they're just skimming money off the side with ads and pay links, which is scummy but not really on the same level as the aforementioned.

>>16110580
>(which let's face it, 99% wouldn't have)
This is a key assumption that nearly everyone for ""exposure"" seems to make that is completely and utterly wrong. People will be prepared to buy something but then pirate it if available, all the fucking time. Saying things like this just screams that -they- are the kind of person that would just decide to never pay for a thing they want to consume to begin with, so no wonder they want to argue for exposure. Do these people really look at everything they've ever pirated and not once think they would have legitimately bought any of it?

>>16110643
>you're making a copy of the music and distributing it, which isn't the same since it doesn't inherently do harm to the artist's ability to sell their work.
It is when the person receiving the pirated copy would otherwise be a legitimate customer, but that's just piracy in general. Obviously it isn't the same as physical distribution, but I would still say this assessment is not quite true.

>they're just skimming money off the side with ads and pay links, which is scummy but not really on the same level as the aforementioned
Even disregarding that making money off of somebody else's work, I think there's more to it. Rather than being objectionable because it's "worse" than regular piracy, it's more that uploading and distributing a work freely to others is on some level an act of sharing, where the uploader wants other people to consume the media. When people are instead uploading everything they can en masse and making money off of it, the intention clearly isn't as much to share anymore as it is an avenue to profit. It's shitty even from the perspective of upload culture.

>>16110698
>People will be prepared to buy something but then pirate it if available
I really don't think this is true in today's society, sales in basically all digital-to-own media is down almost across the board (Bandcamp is apparently thriving which is nice to hear). People would rather listen to it on YouTube or Spotify or just put it off until somebody uploads it somewhere, I think it's definitely a minority of people who will first look first a place to pirate it, and then if they can't find one, buy it. It's almost always they just buy it, or don't.

>Saying things like this just screams that -they- are the kind of person that would just decide to never pay for a thing they want to consume to begin with
I've spent something like $2,000 this year on music alone, so that's definitely not me, but I understand where you're coming from. I also think it's somewhat misguided though, yes, the people who make this argument sometimes are the ones portrayed in it, but since this argument is literally one of the most common ones made about piracy, doesn't that just cement it as fact even more?


I pretty much 100% agree with your point about profiting off piracy, there's definitely a huge difference between somebody uploading something either out of (maybe? misguided) goodwill or just indifference, and uploading things for the sole purpose of making money. There's really no arguing that what they're doing really isn't acceptable at all, but I also think there isn't much that can be done about it, they're obviously making a decent amount off it considering the amount of constant work they do, if you shut down their hosting, they'll just move somewhere else. If you shut down their revenue source, they'll just move somewhere else. There are dozens of cookie-cutter grey area sites that let you monetize whatever you want, while they obviously take part of the cut. Unless you have serious legal power, you basically have no chance, unfortunately.

>>16110734
>I really don't think this is true in today's society [...] People would rather listen to it on YouTube or Spotify or just put it off until somebody uploads it somewhere
That's because in these cases it's turned into an issue of convenience, rather than about paying for or "owning" something. Streaming music or playing a game from a service that works well demonstrably trumps the work of having to obtain the thing, whether legally or not. I think you have a point, but the point is less about piracy and more that the current state of media largely fucks over artists because the services available to them often aren't the best option, and people default to stuff pirated and uploaded to Youtube; because it's the easiest option, not as much because it's free.

>but since this argument is literally one of the most common ones made about piracy, doesn't that just cement it as fact even more?
Not really. Considering these types of people are the ones who most want to rationalize their behaviour, they're the ones that are going to pick up on a trendy argument and run with it as far as they can take it. I think the main reasons it still survives so well is probably because echo chambers exist, and because it's inherently difficult to disprove in general (meanwhile they just casually ignore their burden of proof and repeat it until it's true). Moreover it's objectively true that piracy of little-known works has the potential to explode their popularity and lead to increased sales, so people cling onto that notion and conflate it with "they wouldn't buy it anyway".

I've been through this argument with a lot of different people for doujin work, and most of the time it's that they're trying to convince -themselves- it's best for the artist and doesn't do any harm, which is pretty consistent with the same argument for more professional occupations. I've written before in this thread about how I think this is primarily a self-serving bias.

>>16110847
Continuing about services, you can see that a lot of (at least Western) fans will go to Youtube and find an uploader, either for 1) finding that specific artist/track, or 2) because that uploader tends to upload good music and they're hearing it first there.
Imagine if the model was that the artist allows the uploader to upload their works as a point of consumption, and it's hosted on Youtube or something where people already consume their media. Suppose fans have a paid subscription, where most of the money goes to the artist, a smaller amount goes to the uploader (who benefits from many artists), and another small amount goes to the service provider (who benefits from everyone).

I think a lot of people would be totally up for this kind of model, being somewhat of a mishmash between something like Netflix and adapting the way people already consume media. If there were a service where the convenience itself wasn't the main blockade, rather than having to pay, that's when you would more clearly see the difference piracy makes. I think Bandcamp (as you've mentioned) seems to strike a good chord, and is one area where I'd expect you'd see more of "I could probably buy this but I found a way to listen for free instead".

>>16110898
(new anon) As a point of anecdata, this is definitely how I discover music these days. Youtube uploaders or being linked to Bandcamp. Sometimes I just outright download it if it's not in bandcamp. Then if I find I listened to it at least half a dozen times I go and buy it. (Exceptions are things that are a pain in the ass to get such as physical disc. The price/convenience changes dramatically there. I'd rather just blow the money as extra tips on bandcamp/booth.)

>>16110847
You do not understand the argument, perhaps because many people use a similar one which is not correct.
It's not about harm, it's not about rationalizing anything, and it's not about "it helps them gain popularity anyways".

Let's put it like this.
You don't own me. You don't own my money. You have no "right to my money", and nobody has made you any "promise to buy". I don't know you and I have never interacted with you.
If I get an album or whatever from somebody else and upload it, and 10,000 people who would otherwise have bought the album download it from me instead, (and here comes -your- attempt at rationalization) you are not harmed, as much as it may hurt your feewings. Because you do NOT have a "right to 10,000 sales". You do NOT have a right to make those 10,000 people buy your album, or a right to their money, or their minds.

Proving the opposite is of course impossible and makes it even more clear: You cannot make up something like "I have a right to 153,560 sales at $20 each, if you take 100 away from me you take $2,000"

What if I make a shit album and decide that it's worth "infinite money"? If somebody uploads it, did he take "infinite money" from me? What if I decide I have a "right to infinite sales", which I obviously won't achieve? Can I go around looking for the "culprit" forever?
You just want more sales and more money, thus you make up something like "he took MY sales, he took MY money", which is obviously not true, because for sales and money to be yours, somebody has to willingly exchange them with you.

Same thing with, say, new technologies. "Ehhhh, these guys are taking our jerbs with their new shiny products!" No, man. You don't have a "right to make the client buy your service". You just want to rationalize your want for money. "I make less money because of something somebody did, that must automatically mean he's harming me and his actions must be wrong, I don't need any further arguments to prove this!"

That's not to say it's not a dick move. And taking other people's work and pretending you made it, that's the ultimate dick move. But that in no way legitimizes intellectual property.
And furthermore, of course the guy who first distributes it without your consent is violating the agreement he made when buying it from you. But that cannot apply to anybody else except the buyer.

>>16111384
You're skipping a lot of steps here...
Without purchasing an album, you have no "right" to own it. The copyright law is, quite literally, a law that prevents you from "copying" it. "copy" "right" "law".
It does not give you any rights, it is not an obligation, but it is a univeral law, and without buying a copyrighted product that has a price, you are breaking said universal law.
Of course all musicians don't force your money.
That's why it's called buying something. You want that, you buy it. You then own it, not the rights to share it. You don't want it, you don't buy it. Buying a product does not make you own it.
You are not entering a legal contract with that product, and neither is the artist. I don't understand how I still have to explain this. That's how simple it is. You buy a product that you consume. It's that, or you are doing something that's not legal. But you're welcome to justify it as "I get to grab whatever I want for free because I'm a human damn it, and, and, and," though that makes you the unethical one.
Respect the people who create the music you listen to, and read up before you start bragging about your rights of owning whatever you conveniently find lying around on a piracy forum.
The entire basis of your argument does not hold up legally, so whatever you pile on top of it will not make it fact.
If you make an album that's worth infinite money, and somebody illegally aquires it, yes, they are breaking the law. If you pursue legal actions, said person is responsible for reimbursing the creator with money lost.
And yes. Anybody who owns a product that is copyrighted that they didn't purchase legally, are breaking the copyright law.
You learn something new every day.

>>16111384
Are you a schizo or something? Everything in that post is fucking insanely delusional.

>>16111448
>Legally
Again with the laws. I don't even need to bring up the thousands of laws which were, are, and will be wrong and immoral.
If you want to justify your feewings with some "law", go ahead, just don't pretend it's wrong, all you need to do is say "I can sue you because this piece of paper says so, so stop doing it" and everybody know how much in the right you are.

Nobody said it's not illegal. There's no discussion, argument or exchange outside of a courtroom to be had on that topic, it's as simple as reading what the law says. If you are unable to dissociate between what's legal and what's right (as in moral, not as in "he's such a nice, caring person for doing that"), well, I don't know, it's your loss.

Just don't start with the "hurf durf you're so edgy saying the law is wrong", please. All you need to do is repeat "I'm right because this piece of paper says so and I need no further argument", and it'll be evident you're perfectly right about everything.

>>16111482
Maybe you just don't how to put two and two together, Anon, because the argument is perfectly sound. Or maybe your feewings tell you I must be wrong so you can't read correctly.

>>16111499
Your posts are just rambling nonsense. You sound like one of those people who gets pulled over then tells the police that the laws don't apply to you.

>>16111507
Saying it's rambling nonsense is obviously not an argument, and as you could see if you weren't blinded by your feewings, I never said anything about law applying or not applying to anything.
If you have an argument to explain why I'm wrong, go ahead, do present it. We're in /jp/ - Autism after all.

>>16111515
Your argument is basically "Yes it's illegal, yes it's wrong, but those laws are wrong so it doesn't count"
You're the one who sounds like your "feewings", as you put it, are hurt. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it's wrong, obviously you can have your opinions, but having an opinion that something is wrong doesn't make it objectively invalid.

>>16111538
same

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>>16111526
Of course having an opinion that something is wrong doesn't make it objectively invalid.
What makes it objectively invalid is the pristine, irrefutable argument I presented in the post you chose to respond with "Baww, your delusional".

You don't own "possible clients" and you don't own information beyond the physical supports you do own, i.e. HDD, CD, computer, a sheet of paper.

If tomorrow copyright laws were to get thrown into the trash, does it suddenly become right to copy things? No, you would say, it's still wrong.
Well, where's the argument that makes it wrong beyond what the law says?

If I "take sales away from you", it must mean you had the right to those sales. How do you determine how many sales you have the right to? If your [magical thingy which you don't need to justify] determines you have the rights to 10,000 sales, does it mean it's okay to copy your information after you sold 10,000 units?

Bring it on, nigga. You cannot win, you have feewings and I have arguments.

>>16111552
>No, you would say, it's still wrong.
but I wouldn't say that, even I think (current) copyright law is somewhat draconian. I don't think the answer is no copyright system, but I believe it should be reformed and made more accessible (especially the copyright term length, which is absurd).

>you don't own information beyond the physical supports you do own, i.e. HDD, CD, computer, a sheet of paper.
but under current copyright law, you DO have the right to the information you create (at least to a certain extent).
Your argument still relies on the fact that you think the copyright law shouldn't exist, but the fact is, it does exist and needs to be taken into account.
There is also plenty of legal precedent that says you DO have the right to a sale from an illegal download.
Your whole argument relies around your delusions of the world you want, not actual reality.

>it keeps happening

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>>16111573
>I think current law is not correct, thus I recognize there is something outside law which determines what is correct and what is not.
>How do you DARE base your argument on something which contradicts current law, which is what determines what is right and what is not! Your delusional!
Oh, this is rich, Anon. Sorry but if you cannot think straight I would hardly be able to convince you.

>>16111596
Sorry, did I hurt your feewings with my logic?

>>16111600
Oh, not at all, I'm just slightly sad people base their behavior on things which are so clearly contradictory and I can't do anything about it.
But don't let my arguments bother you, Anon, everybody knows that if the law says it, it must be right and anybody who says otherwise is delusional.
Except yourself, of course, you can say it's not correct and parts of it are "absurd", and you're still in the right, because logic.

>>16111619
Well, pirating is both illegal and ethically wrong, so there.
Ethically and morally you would pay for whatever you consume, no matter how many friends you run and tell about your illegally downloaded material does not justify it.
Artists don't survive on good happy feelings.

>>16111573
>>No, you would say, it's still wrong.
>but I wouldn't say that
>I don't think the answer is no copyright system
Pick one. Would copying still be wrong for Reason X if there were no law that said so, thus we need a law, based on Reason X?
Or would it not be wrong to copy things, thus the copyright law is bullshit because it's not wrong to copy things, which would mean I'm right?

Decide already. Am I right, or are you going to present Reason X which is what justifies the law? Keep in mind that you can't justify Reason X on current law, as that would be a circular reasoning fallacy.

>>16111703
>Legally
Of course it's illegal.
>Morally
>Artists don't survive on good happy feelings.
Should an artist who makes shit that nobody wants to buy have the power to force people to buy his stuff so that he doesn't starve?

If no, your argument is invalid. You cannot objectively determine a reason people should be forced to do it. Maybe they don't want to buy it because it's shit, maybe they don't want to buy it because they can get it for free through other means. Necessity does not create a right.

If yes, you're fucked up, man, forcing people buy things they don't want to buy. I admit though that I can't argue against that if you think using violence to force people to support artists is right. Maybe we have different morals, I think violence is wrong and you think it's right.

>>16111737
>Should an artist who makes shit that nobody wants to buy have the power to force people to buy his stuff so that he doesn't starve?

What the fuck are you on about?

Nobody's forcing you to buy their art. But if you like their art and you just take it without paying them and they starve to death that's on you.

>>16112166
>What the fuck are you on about?
You would understand if you read the whole post instead of just flying off the handle because people say things you don't like.
>But if you like their art and you just take it without paying them and they starve to death that's on you.
It's all right, Anon, you don't need to make up illogical bullshit like this to justify your feewings. I get it, the image of artists getting money from people makes you feel all warmy-cuddly inside, makes you feel like everything is all right, so you automatically state that anything that goes against that image is wrong.
It's all right, you don't need to justify it, just say it clearly. "My feels and this piece of paper both state I'm right, so I must be."

>>16112208
I'm not even the guy you're responding to.

Nobody's forcing anyone to buy anything. The issue here is refusing to buy something, then turning face and selling that exact same product for money. It's basically counterfeit.

>>16111737
I think this is where you have it wrong. It shouldn't be "forcing people to purchase things they don't want", but rather, "those who enjoy the artist's works should support them legally when possible". "Should an artist who makes shit that nobody wants to buy.." is a strange sentence. If you create art, there is going to be at least one other person out there who has similar tastes to yours and will genuinely like it. They'll want to see more of your works in the future. That's just how it works and your own personal opinions and thoughts on this particular matter will not and will never change that. So if you like an album, you like the artists' works, you want to see more from these artists in the future, then buying the album is the best way to try and guarantee that. If they pour god knows how much money into their work and event after event nothing is selling, they'll have to stop eventually. No one has an infinite amount of money. Whether you want to believe it or not, creating art costs money. Money that comes straight from the artist's pockets.

>>16112208
So you've received your repossession letter because you continued making art without getting paid in return for it? You worried that you wouldn't be able to make rent again? That you wouldn't be able to buy food again? You got the call from the water company a little while ago saying that your water is going to be turned off soon if you don't make your payments, didn't you? If you don't get money in exchange for your time it WILL actually kill you in one way or another. I'm not exaggerating. But I have a feeling that you don't understand and will never understand. If you want to believe that everything is fine and that no artist is struggling, that they can continue to support themselves with imaginary money, go ahead. But that is not what's happening and you aren't argue that your beliefs are true whereas reality is false.

>>16112238
>The issue here is refusing to buy something, then turning face and selling that exact same product for money.
>refusing to buy something
You just stated yourself there's no problem with this, as nobody should be forced to buy anything.
>turning face and selling that exact same product for money
Copyright laws go further than that. It's illegal to just reproduce it.
But let's keep it to the subject of making money with it.
Would you be able to state why this is wrong? A dick move? Surely. But I'm asking why it's wrong, and furthermore why should it be punishable i.e. why would it be legitimate to force people not to do it.
This kind of "counterfeiter" doesn't take from you anything that is yours. This is the thing, as stated above. You sell things when people agree to buy them, you don't "own" sales by the sole fact of creating an intellectual product.

>>16112258
*can't argue, not aren't argue.

>>16112258
You're just grasping at straws here.
>those who enjoy
>should support
>when possible
Purely subjective statements. This is what you thinkfeel "should happen". Coincidentally, this is what I think should happen too, this way everybody is happy.
But what we think "should happen for everybody to be happy" has nothing to do with what's right and what's wrong. That's an utilitarian argument, you could justify anything with that, by saying "most of the population would be so much happier".
By all means, shame on pirates and don't invite them to your parties, don't sell them your services, don't associate with them.
But that in no way justifies using force to make them stop i.e. copyright laws.

>Whether you want to believe it or not, creating art costs money.
>If you want to believe that everything is fine and that no artist is struggling
See, you don't even want to understand, you automatically assume I know or don't know things, and you assume I'm "in favor of artists not making money" or some stupid shit like that.
I'm talking ethics, not whether or not your ass can pay your bills. If you think what's right and what's wrong is decided by whether you can pay your shit, that's just plain wrong.

>>16112291
Ethics is in fact determined by whether people can pay their bills. If stealing from people didn't stop them from paying their bills (or whatever it is they planned to do with the money you stole), then far fewer people would consider stealing bad. The ethics of an action are judged by its consequences.

>But that in no way justifies using force to make them stop i.e. copyright laws.
Force is used every day to do trivial things like force people to stop at stop signs and wear clothes in public. The use-of-force argument is only convincing to hard libertarians and anarchists.

>>16112308
>The ethics of an action are judged by its consequences.
So I guess walking past your stand and choosing to not buy your album because I don't like it is exactly like shooting you in the head, because the consequence for both is that you die.
Of course, you're going to say that's not what you said, but it, in fact, is exactly what you would be implying, care or not to accept it.
>Force is used every day to do trivial things like force people to stop at stop signs and wear clothes in public. The use-of-force argument is only convincing to hard libertarians and anarchists.
Ah, so you're in favor of forcing people to do or not do things according to how much utility you can get out of it. The matter is settled then, I'm just against violence to get what I want and you're in favor of it.

>>16112264
>Would you be able to state why this is wrong?

It's wrong because you're basically profiting off something you didn't even work for. It'd be like if one of your coworkers got paid instead of you, and the harder you worked, the more they got paid.

Pure piracy isn't that awful - after all, if you just download music without paying for it, there's no real loss, because you probably weren't planning on paying for it anyway.

Profiting off of piracy is the point where you are directly taking from someone else's earned income by soliciting their business.

>>16112331
>So I guess walking past your stand and choosing to not buy your album because I don't like it is exactly like shooting you in the head, because the consequence for both is that you die.
Some people raise an ethical distinction between prohibitions and compulsions. If whistling the theme from the Titanic near him would cause him to die (for some reason), then said whistling would in fact be equivalent to shooting him in the head.

>The matter is settled then, I'm just against violence to get what I want and you're in favor of it.
Force is required to maintain most of civilization, like maintain the existence of property or execute contracts. So yes, I acknowledge force as a useful part of society, just like everyone else who isn't an anarchist. On the other hand, you have correctly boiled down the debate to its core and there's really nothing else worth discussing here.

>>16112353
>It's wrong because you're basically profiting off something you didn't even work for.
Using a 100 dollar bill you find on the street is wrong then, just as selling a diamond you find at the beach. Selling a gift that was made to you as well.
"You didn't work for it so it's wrong" is a very, very weak attempt at an argument, Anon. Yes, somebody else worked hard for it, that's often the case with pirated music or books. But that fact, -by itself- in no way gives them a right to anything, just as you can't dig 100 holes in the ground with your nails, then fill them up, and demand payment for all your hard work. "B-but the holes are useless, and the music is useful!" Yes, useful to the degree to which people willingly pay for it. You can't do "Copying is wrong > Because these arbitrarily defined works should be rewarded > Because copying is wrong".

>>16112358
>Some people raise an ethical distinction between prohibitions and compulsions. If whistling the theme from the Titanic near him would cause him to die (for some reason), then said whistling would in fact be equivalent to shooting him in the head.
I guess everybody who ever said "Don't buy his albums, they suck!" is a suspect of murder then. Come on, Anon, don't go there.
>like maintain the existence of property or execute contracts
Of course, just like a breach of contract between buyer and seller for, say, non-disclosure. Not between a musician and somebody on the opposite side of the world who never met him.

Finally, "force is required for X", even if taken as an axiom, is in no way, shape, or form a justification for "force is required for Y".
But hey, some people would do anything to get their own way, you just can't make them accept they're wrong.
Get your shit on bandcamp and sell it for $5 or "pay what you can" or something, that's pretty profitable nowadays.

>>16112308
Ethics do not arise from consequences, but the intent.

>>16112422
>Come on, Anon, don't go there.
Ethics tends to draw a distinction between immediate, predictable consequences and those which are neither.

>Finally, "force is required for X", even if taken as an axiom, is in no way, shape, or form a justification for "force is required for Y".
It is useful when someone is rhetorically describing force like it's some incredible evil.

>"You didn't work for it so it's wrong" is a very, very weak attempt at an argument
Not the person who made that argument, but try "other people are entitled to the fruits of their labors, and depriving them of such for your own gain is wrong." It's a matter of what we consider people's rights to be. Copyright law assumes that someone who has created something has the right to receive all profits from its distribution.

>>16112435
>It is useful when someone is rhetorically describing force like it's some incredible evil.
It is useful to be reminded some people think violence is perfectly fine as long as you say "Eh, it's not that bad, see, it makes this group of people happier".

>"other people are entitled to the fruits of their labors, and depriving them of such for your own gain is wrong"
Of course. Nobody is depriving them of their music. Nobody will take their music away, man, that'd be terrible, you'd have to force them to hand over their computers and stuff.

Oh, wait, you mean they're entitled to have people give them money for their music? That's pretty odd, you don't often see winemakers demanding people to buy their wine, or blacksmiths suing people for not bringing them their stuff to fix.

I'll say it again, maybe it's not clear. Nobody but each person owns their brain, their body, or their money. You do not have a right to make anybody buy your music, thus I am not depriving you of anything by not buying it.

A guy goes and says "Hey, people, see this guy next to me? Don't buy his albums, I'll give you free copies!"
You think hey, that's terrible. I think it's an extremely dick thing to do, yes.
Now, please, do state what was taken from the guy selling the albums. The money he would have earned were it not for the other guy? But that-is-not-his-money-in-the-first-place.

>>16112486
>It is useful to be reminded some people think violence is perfectly fine
It's also useful to be reminded that there are people out there who think that violence is only perfectly fine when it's enforcing property and contract rights.

>That's pretty odd, you don't often see winemakers demanding people to buy their wine, or blacksmiths suing people for not bringing them their stuff to fix.
This would deprive people of individuals to decide where they spend their money. We don't recognize that individuals have an equivalent right to distribute other people's creations.

>do state what was taken
Nothing was taken. However, he is being deprived of potential profit. This is wrong, even if you're unable to comprehend it thanks to the fact that you equate ethics with property rights.

>>16112486
P. S.
"Selling others' intellectual property is wrong, because that gets them less sales! And taking sales away from them is wrong, because they're entitled to those sales! Why are they entitled to those sales, you ask? Well, because selling others' intellectual property is wrong, of course!"

>>16112530
Why is stealing other people's things wrong? Because they're entitled to their property. Why are people entitled to their property? Because stealing is wrong. Wow. Guess the argument's circular and I'm going to take all your shit.

>>16112530
>>16112540
I hope you only get to listen to 96kbps Youtube rips for the rest of your life.

Enjoy stealing from artists.

>>16112529
>It's also useful to be reminded that there are people out there who think that violence is only perfectly fine when it's enforcing property and contract rights.
I shamefully admit, I don't think initiating violence against people because it'd benefit a certain group of individuals is correct.

>However, he is being deprived of potential profit.
Everything everybody does deprives others of potential profit. Our sole existence deprives many people of potential profit. Not an argument.
>thanks to the fact that you equate ethics with property rights.
The other possibility I'm seeing is equating ethics to "whatever the hell is convenient according to my circumstances". I prefer equating it with property rights.

>>16112544
But Anon, why would I listen to Youtube rips when I can just buy the albums.

>>16112568
>I shamefully admit, I don't think initiating violence against people because it'd benefit a certain group of individuals is correct.
Initiation of violence is necessary to enforce both property rights and contracts. Why is your case special?

>Our sole existence deprives many people of potential profit.
Ethics distinguishes immediate and predictable consequences from potential and unpredictable consequences.

>The other possibility I'm seeing is equating ethics to "whatever the hell is convenient according to my circumstances".
Most ethics systems boil down to what people think is "right." This is not the same as "convenient." (It turns out that most of the things people consider "dick moves" are also considered by the same people to be "wrong" and when curtailing "dick moves" society tends to use balance of interests to adjudicate the result.)

muh intellectual arguments

It's impressive how much autism in this thread, even by /jp/ standards.

holy shit /jp/, I knew you were kind of autistic, but this, this is something else.

>>16112622

so far i haven't seen a single intellectual argument from either retard

>>16112686
thats kind of the point of that message lol

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buy (you)r own music

this is the future (you) want, astost
this is the future (you) deserve, /jp/
this is the future (you) get, DS

>>16110698
>>16110847
>>16110898
This anon here, I woke up and this thread launched into some insane territory. I didn't ask for this.

All I will say "you don't own me" anon is goddamn hilarious. Holy shit.

>>16114796
Well, to me, the hilarious side is the one unable to realize that "taking sales away from somebody" means that somebody owns those sales, that is, they have rights over other people.
But of course, this is silly, it's so obvious that it doesn't need an argument as for how you can take away something somebody doesn't own. You can just laugh it away, no need to explain it. "It is known, it is known".

>>16116492
You're going to have to try harder to bait, my dude. You've already given your argument to the other anon, and I see no reason to entertain your nonsense by responding seriously.

If any y'know reasonable people still want to discuss what I was originally talking about, I'm still game. This thread might be too far gone now, though.

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>>16116596
Thanks in fact, fampai, every further person who dismisses the argument as nonsense ("B-but I don't even need to justify this, that's how it works, it is known!") with muddled excuses that never add up to anything (Something something stealing sales... but in part it's about damaging the producers... or was it about stealing their work, which is theirs because the law says so... or maybe not. But it all only applies when you like the music and you have the money to buy it, otherwise it's okay, it's not stealing, or it's "morally allowed stealing"... I think?) only convinces me more that I'm right.
By all means, do continue with the discussion about whether you can do something about some cancerous site who doesn't do the correct thing about pirated music (Wait, wasn't pirated music incorrect as a whole? What are you doing in this thread then, you scurvy dog? Or is it allowed when it's convenient for you?)
Meanwhile I'll start preparing for C91, busy days ahead.

The new Diverse System stuff is sublime, especially PH.

New Confetto should be fun. Just saw that now and I'm downloading it.

Does anyone here have the popover+teatime 2 booklet?

RIP what.cd

>>16118448
Rest in peace.

The end of an era.

>>16118448
And so, the Library of Alexandria is burnt down. Rest in peace.

>>16116878
Yeah, it's just a single sheet track listing without any lyrics.

>>16118841
Well that's disappointing. Hopefully they'll put the lyrics up sometime then.

>>16040118
Anon I go there on saturday and it still gives that shit error message what am I doing wrong?

>>16118959
Saturday in China starts on early Friday in the US.

>>16119027
in 14 hours after this post to be precise

>>16119027
I check on friday but I guess I check too late on friday. Thanks anon

So I gather ASTOST is similar to a private tracker, but with direct downloads instead?

>>16119330
Basically, uploaders can also put restrictions on their posts, so only people with x amount of y points can view the links.
The rules are also really harsh against reuploading against the uploader's wishes (you will basically be permabanned if they find out, and they usually do).
The system might seem kind of tedious, but it works, there are tons of exclusive stuff there that people probably wouldn't upload if they weren't able to restrict the access.

If anyone is interested, APOLLO 05 is going on right now, which has a bunch of re-releases from M3: http://booth.pm/apollo/a05
Might be your only chance to get some of it digitally.

>>16123168
how do you buy from booth

>>16123676
You can use a credit/debit card, if you just want digital that's all you need, if you want to buy physical stuff you need to use a forwarding service.

even if jaypee upload threads die and no one uploads anymore, i will continue to make these threads until the day i kill myself

>>16125407
がんばれ

>>16125407
I will still post my loots every time in these threads. Along with a kebab.

>>16123168
I can't remember how Apollo works. Are albums featured in it only available to purchase while the event is going on?

Anyone get Mwk's Change Mind EP?

>>16129003
Some of them are timed exclusives, some will stick around afterwards, but you can't really tell until the event ends.

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>>16129003
>>16130712
A lot of the stuff sticks around which kinda defeats the purpose of timed exclusives.

Here's what I got anyway.

>>16132748
Good to hear. I'll be able to afford some albums on there likely once the event ends, so it's good to hear most of them aren't timed exclusives.

Have there been any news regarding otokei.co's resurrection? The person itself in charge of the site seems to be alive as far as I could see from steam.

>>16134628
Oops, meant otokei-douj.in
Excuse my brain fart

>>16134645
The owner seems to be ignoring any messages on steam (from what I can see), so maybe he's just given up.