Visual Novel translation status Amagami - 1st day patch Released

Sekai/Denpa
Grisaia trilogy - 2nd title Steam released, uncut 35% of new content done, 3rd 50% translated
2236 A.D. - 100% translated
>Maitetsu - 22.49% translated
Nenokami - 99.96% translated, Indiegogo finished
Koi to, Guitar to, Aoi Sora. - 100% translated
Kokonoe Kokoro - 100% translated, engine work
Creature to Koi Shiyo - 100% translated, engine work
WEE 3 - 100% translated
>Chrono Clock - 30.1% translated
Narcissu 3rd - TL+Editing done
>Tenshin Ranman - 37.69%
Darekoi - 100% translated
>Wagamama High Spec -Demo is 100% translated, overall 22.8% translated
Hoshizora no Memoria - 18.38% translated
Memory's Dogma - 100% translated
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
Ley Line - picked up
Baldr Sky - Picked up both 1 and 2
SakuSaku - Picked up
Koikuma - Picked up
Fatal Twelve - Picked up


Frontwing
Corona Blossom - Vol 1 released, vol 2/3 upcoming
Sharin no Kuni - Kickstarter halted, will be restarted
Island - Picked up
Grisaia no Senritsu - Picked up


Visual Arts
Little Busters - Picked up
Harmonia - Through Steam GL
Rewrite+ - Picked up
Angel Beats - 50% translated


Degica
Muv Luv - Released, uncut patch still to come
Muv Luv Alternative - Winter release
Schwarzesmarken - Through Greenlight
Kiminozo - Picked up


Aksys
Collar x Malice - 2017 release
Period Cube - 2017 release
Bad Apple Wars - 2017 release
Code: Realize fandisc - Picked up


Other
>Wish Tale of the Sixteenth Night - Released
Psycho-Pass: Mandatory Happiness - 9/13 release
>Steins;Gate 0 - 9/23 release
>Root Letter - 10/28 release
Dead End Junction - September release
>Dies irae - Poster noted official release
ChuSingura46+1 - Ch 2+3 released
Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra - Common + Mari route translated, Calen 25%
Taisho Alice - Picked up
Love Sweets - Picked up
Noratoto - Picked up
SubaHibi - Official release planned
Sora wo Aogite Kumo Takaku - Through Greenlight
Hakoniwa no Gakuen - Picked up
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

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Dies Irae being release in the West was one of the most funny announcement in the marked.

>>15722499
*Market.
I need to sleep.

“The mysterious aura about her really tickled my non-existent pickle.” — Kaitsu, editor of Supipara

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Kamige right here.

>>15722468
Lots of updates for MangaGamer that you've missed. Rance and Higurashi Ch 4 being fully translated for example.

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Reminder that Conjueror-sama is literally sacrificing his comfort to bring you chuunige masterpieces like Tokyo Babel and Dies Irae.

http://ask.fm/Conjueror/answers/138072838107

>>15722556
Kawaii desu ne~

Maitetsu, CC, and Tenshin Ranman just around the corner

>>15722556
#PASSION #PURPOSE #DEDICATION

>>15722468
Left out MangaGamer's stealth announcement and release of cheap nukiges, which fills the August's slot for a translated title from MangaGamer.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2016/08/19/detective-masochist-and-orc-castle-available-for-pre-order/

why is no one talking about sayonara wo oshiete

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What did she mean by this?

>>15722701
Muh improved and revised translation by best certified JAST translators.

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>>15722701
She meant why are all the carpetmunchers in this VN so pretty

>>15722519
I don't know. Until now not one work of Nijima Yuu has been translated and he likes to troll his readers.

>>15722762
>carpetmunchers
Its all-ages.

>>15722701
I can see how this line was translated 1:1 from Japanese. Maybe that's what she's saying.

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>>15722762
Purest love.

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So, how many Daliahs are in this game?

>>15722886
>>15722890
Quality Q/A work.

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Top 5 Ranking: http://pastebin.com/MjssGRuv
Popularity Sort: http://pastebin.com/tR8Psy42
Full Data Point List: http://pastebin.com/uWXD5uwZ

As always, this tracker is powered by anonymous like you, so post order numbers if you've got em'.

>>15723045
>stairway to success.png

So what will be responsible for the next 'step'?

>>15722652

While mangagamer's probably involved in sourcing staff for them, those are actually technically third party titles(which is why mangagamer doesn't give a shit about dumping them at the exact same time). Both of them sell their stuff on dlsite aswell(u-me soft actually did their first title, which got added to mangagamer awhile back, through jast)

>>15723087

Each of those extremely noticeable bumps is the result of a bundle(cross reference with release calendar included), so I would wager the next bundle. It's actually more interesting to observe smaller noticeable bumps, like the fall sale last year or mangagamer's store coming back online, or observe the general increase across normal months. One can also take the order numbers over a period and reference it against the weekly top 5 titles to create a weighted guess as to how much a game has sold in that period.

>>15722499
>Yaay! After Baldr Sky, Maitetsu, Tenshin Ranman, ChuSinGura, etc... We got another censored/all ages VN for the west.
Yeah, funny it is.

>>15723213
EOPs will never get a break.

whats the point of having Dies Irae on here if reading a translation wouldn't even be remotely same to reading the original.

what's the point of having Dies Irae on here if its only the all ages version when the visual novel market is solely supported by the devoted 18+ crowd only.

What's the point of having Dies Irae on here when its going to be censored and we should not be supporting any form of censorship.

What's the point of having Dies Irae on here if even if you can't even appreciate it unless you learn german and read literature for at least 5 years.

ok I condensed all the memes and complaints into one post so it doesn't have to be said the rest of the thread.

I actually wonder if it'll even sell at all. Everybody called tokyo babel a shit all ages chuunige when DI will be the same. Even if its well known to people who follow twitter celebs and the VN community, a lot of people who buy shit from steam wouldn't be able to know that and it could just blend in with the mountains of garbage VNs on steam.

I guess the biggest factor for its success will be the anime. I'm looking forward to it flopping as a JOP so that EOPs will never ever get to touch my other Masada treasures. (had to include this meme too).

>>15723103
You're probably right, although a clarification from Good Haro would be nice. Then again, while they do treat the other Hentai Industries titles as completely in-house and their translations, the way they handled these two might really just be a third-party thing.

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>>15723215
Wrong board JOP, go back to where you belong; >>15716962 this tread is for english translated VN's.

>>15723045
Order Number - 208085
Order Date - 2016-08-20 04:30:03

>>15722825

Why the fuck is /vn spamming here over again?

>>15722701
Did JAST lied about the new translation? What the fuck is this shit?

>>15723225
>I actually wonder if it'll even sell at all.
Meme hype is a double-edged sword.
People want to read it because of the meme status but i'm pretty sure it'll flop like Tokyo Babel. They will start reading and find that chuu2 bullshit, wall of text and gay bishonen are not for them.

I hereby declare Dies Irae a kusoge. If anyone talks about that all-ages shit, I will talk to my cousin moot and get him permabanned.

>>15723237
I'm not the one who has to lament getting everything censored.

>>15722886
>>15722890
It's Yuuki all over again.

>>15722701
Haven't read the vn, but here's my guess:
She was supposed to be on a tour given by an upperclassman, but somehow ended up wandering around instead.

Currently, she weakly returns the greeting, because she didn't want anyone to see her. This is presumably because of the above situation.

Flowers should just be called a beta and not released considering the number of problems with it. I bought it but I won't play for a few months so they can fix this mess.

>>15723286
Based steam refunds

>>15723498
What you expected from JAST after seeing the questionable tl/ed of Seinarukana, Romanesque or Shinning Days.
Only Sonicomi got a good tl but that VN is pretty mediocre.

>>15723539
>Critiquing anything with English like that

>>15723227

UMe SOFT's stuff is completely third party, it's just something we're retailing.

Hentai Industries' stuff is localized internally by MG staff, but HI is sort of directing those efforts so it's being treated closer to third-party.

>>15723539
It's not just the translation, there are problems with the actual game. JAST has really been off their game recently.

>>15723559
When will be update the minori fund-raising project page?

>>15723559
Hope you can get more third party supporters. I love UMe Soft (although I've yet gotten around to actually buy their games).

>Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - 3 semi-indefinite hiatus projects

kill me pls

>>15723746
Chapter 6 was released by the Beast'sLair guy. Progress!

>>15723273
What the hell are you on about?

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>>15723762
>2015-10-15 Eng. patch for 1-5 chapters.
Progress... 10 month for translatina a single chapter.

水を飲むことが出来ない

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>The game will support Windows Vista/7/8.1/10, and the resolution will be expanded from 800x600 to 1280x720 (HD)!

Do you like your kamige cropped, /jp/?

>>15723762
Really?

>>15723826
No, I don't. Better have an original resolution option.

>>15723826
So upscale and crop? Another quality re-release from Japan.

>>15722468
Higurashi Chapter 4 is 100% translated and edited. Sorcery Jokers is 33% translated and 22% edited. And Rance 5D and VI are both in scripting.

>>15723826
I think cropping is a far far far better reason to bitch than not including ero.

>>15723826
G-senjou no Maou 2.1 Steam version.

>>15723846
Kill yourself already, anti-fap man.

>>15723826
I'll never understand how developers and publishers can be so out of touch with their customers.

>>15723045
Order Number - 207922
Order Date - 2016-08-19 08:41:55

>>15723826
E O P s
n e v e r
g e t
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b r e a k.

>>15723897
Are they really out of touch or do they know that Steam retards will eat everything up?

>>15723922
they've done this a lot with Japan-exclusive re-releases as well

>Hapymaher
>Sona-Nyl
>Sorcery Jokers
>Rance 5 and 6
Holy shit
I come from holidays, check this thread and see MG continuing to save VNs in the west. Someone give them a medal.

Not to mention
>Dies Irae
I'm hyped but have mixed feelings about cropping CGs.

And I don't know if I should laugh or cry with
>Flowers - Released

>>15723930
If the customer keeps buying and supporting garbage, isn't it the customer's fault at this point?

>>15723882
I'm not against porn in everything I just think cropping is a much more important issue when it comes to Dies.

https://merumeruchan.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/what-did-i-do-to-flowers/

>shitload of announced games from SP
>nothing released
Worse than JAST. Ley Line fucking when?

>>15723950
Cropping CGs as opposed to censoring CGs and leaving out some altogether is worse? Are you okay in the head?

>>15723942
The cropping issue is less important than the censored version (no H-Scenes, tamed dialogues, less gore/deaths scenes, no extra routes, etc...)

>>15723956
> One big change we did make fairly late on in the process, and that I lobbied for, was the decision to reintroduce honorifics.

A+ translator.

>>15723963
>no extra routes
Actually Amantes Amentes is the version with extra content.

Or are they just cucking that out for you EOPs. That would be golden.

>>15723956
Honorifics re-inserted? That translator just sold one copy.

>>15723956
What a mess. When even the guy brought in to clean up is being rushed you know there's problems going on.

>>15723975
Extra routes as in afterstory with porn, I would guess.

>>15723945
pretty much

>>15723982
Wrong quote.

Cropping holding the censorship back! The medium could have been much more!

>>15723958
Guess you should've bought the Japanese bundle with all three VNs for $65 last week.

>>15723956
>I was contracted for 95 hours of work
>I didn’t even have time to go back and reread my own work, let alone spend precious time agonizing over sentences that were, for all intents and purposes, “correct”. If I and the editor had had more time, I would have liked to pretty up the prose, do a bit of window dressing, if you will, to make it all read a bit smoother and more daintily.
Welcome to JAST. They take a shitload of time to release games but want their translators and editors working fast as fuck. Why do people even bother being contracted by them?

Allowing VNs on Steam was mistake.

>>15724042
How come they don't even have one beta-tester? Just going over it once more with fresh eyes would've caught a lot of typos and errors.

>>15723963
https://vndb.org/r35670
(Compared with Acta est Fabula)
Amantes amentes is added with:
1. A new route of Setsuna vs Kogane vs Suigin no Mitsudomoe (branch from Rea route)
2. Drama CD of 「Wehrwolf」, 「Die Morgendammerung」 and 「Verfaulen segen」 to AVG
3. Marie END After 「Omnia vincit Amor」
4. Rea END After 「Nihil difficile amanti」
5. Others Drama CD and Official SS was also added to the above Drama CD to AVG.
6. New CD, New 3 BGM, New OP and new ED.

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At least Conjueror knows how to do some stuff with style
https://twitter.com/Conjueror/status/767063801627828225
>Beta testing Himawari on a 100-inch screen.

>>15724081
And projectors are now screens, apparently.

>>15724042
>They take a shitload of time to release games but want their translators and editors working fast as fuck
I've heard complaints like that before and I just can't believe it. I guess that is why licensing almost (and already) finished translations were a thing.
Why would anyone accept a work like that?

>>15724065
>implying we're gonna get all the CD Drama.

>>15724065
His other points stand. Cheap replacement for the pornhaters.
Some russian hacker will surely combine the two versions. Such kamige would bring him plenty of e-peen.

>>15724042
As slow as Jast might be for a lot of their titles, they have a rush mode that has been used for their Steam titles (and Steins;Gate)

>>15724118
>combine the two versions
Didn't that happen with Eyiuu Senki as well?

>>15724134
Yes. That's why I'm saying it.

>>15724089
He's an ESL, give him a break

>>15724065
Acta est Fabula
This release includes routes of Kei and Rea, as well as the improved routes from Die Wiederkunft.

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>>15724189
>>15724089
You have no right to call someone an ESL.

>>15724081
No one give a shit about this no-name lolige.

>>15724227
No-name ALL-AGES lolige. You're leaving out the most important reason why no one cares.

Hanasaki Work Spring! fan project is dead due to an indirect C&D. I wonder if it will get an official localization.

>>15722472
Fruitbat Factory picked up Enigma:.
https://vndb.org/v18315

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>>15724525

>>15724540
if you want some sexual content go to the sad panda/h/other shit

>>15724557
That's for a quick fap.
Eroge is something more.

>>15724502
And nothing of value was lost

>>15724089
Aren't projector screens still screens?

>>15724563
Yes. Let us analyze Hanachirasu for a moment. The sex scenes there tell us about the relationship between the two parties. Like Yumi being a doormat for Akane, the red-haired woman always watching him, the victor having the right to take whatever he wants, etc.

>>15724525
>>15724540
>Picking up an all ages title instead of hacking an 18+ game into pieces

KEK

Get with the times Fruitbat, it's 2016

>>15724588
I doubt that's what he meant. I think it's because in eroge you get to pretty much fall in love with the girl before fucking her brains out making it that much better whereas an h-manga is just some hot chick that you won't remember tomorrow. A one night stand if you will vs a relationship.

>>15724603
No point in talking to him. I bet that steam casual doesn't even calculate his orgasm to happen at the same as MC's for maximum self-insert.
Disgusting.

>>15724624
I don't fap to drawn porn

>>15724651
Fuck off normalfag.

>>15724651
I had a hunch you were a normalfag, Anonymous.

Koiken otome any Good?

>>15722468
>Sumeragi Ryoko - Beta, in preorder, script edit 70%
>Katahane - "Translating new scenario, editing original scenario"
>Princess X - 85% translated

Why this shit instead of Sumaga or Django or Muramasa, JAST?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15723746
Didn't commie finish translation but is waiting on editors? Anyone has any newsabout that?

>>15724731
Probably a newbie translator is doing it for pennies and they don't want to pay Makoto for the kamiges

>>15724754
News is herkz and co. hope it's never released because the translation is very literal and editors can't help but give up/stall it indefinitely

>>15724729
Total garbage. Common route - bad harem chunige, individual routes - bad moege.

>>15723942
>Hapymaher
Man, I can just imagine MG conversations with Purple Soft and BTFO of SP because of the sexual content and respective sales.

>>15724754
The TL is unusable

>>15724731
Katahane is going to be using the existing translation, while the other 2 are relatively easy projects with a low bar.

Though since they are using the fanTL for Katahane, I do wonder which version of the script they will use for a base, the "Natural" or "Literal" script.

>>15724779
At least the OP is good.

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>>15723956
I've only read the first chapter and I'd say the translation is serviceable. But that's the thing, it's only serviceable, and some of the lines definitely feel stiff to read.

>>15724897
To be fair, the original text wasn't all that much better, but that's pretty much all you can expect from innocent grey games.

>>15724897
Eh, retranslator did what she could. It's a vast improvement than what it was before. What I could never figure out is why JAST allowed such bad translations in the first place? Why wasn't anybody paying attention DURING the translation? Then they could've saved time and money, fired the ESL and gotten somebody better. Why didn't Peter spend 5 minutes out of this twitter shitposting time to check up on his VNs for which he says he's a fan of and started the company in the first place to localize? It's at the point where he should just give it to /jp/ for QC.

>>15725004
>why

>>15723045
Order Number - 207918
Order Date - 2016-08-19 08:17:15

>>15724802
> BTFO of SP because of the sexual content and respective sales.
Its probably because of how incredibly slow SP translating CC that Purple Soft ditched them.

>>15725056
It could be they are just trying both to see what works in a market they don't know. There is no reason to go with exclusivity, especially when testing the waters and you have a fairly extensive library.

Unfortunately, while the uncut market is growing and the Steam market has been contracting for this type of title, I'd still expect Chrono Clock to pull better a good deal better numbers with the market being as it is (provided MG doesn't create a Steam version).

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>>15724731
>Sumaga or Django or Muramasa with Flowers tl quality and editing

No thank you.

>>15725175
By the time CC get released (2018 at best) MG would already released one or two more Purple Soft's games in addition to Hapymaher and vns on Steam meme would be completely dead and forgotten.

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> Dies irae - Poster noted official release

Is this real life?

>>15725357
see >>15723290

>>15725357
Yes. Censored release with cropped CG.

>>15725400
I bet it will be removed honorifics too. Can't have anything too advanced for the plebs at Steam.

>>15725407
That would be the worst.

>>15725407
inb4 they hire Herkz to edit it.

Still no new info about Bokuten? Bummer.

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When will


>>15725270
> Implying SP won't be bankrupt by 2018.

They haven't had a single profitable year thus far by dovac's own admission, and they're sitting on already translated VNs for long periods of time while they release OELVNs and super short Kickstarter 6.0- VNDB schlock.

I mean, Leyline and SakuSaku have been good to go for almost a year now and not a peep about either of them. The only thing that makes sense is that they don't have the liquid money to pay the translators/licensors. I mean, their entire business strategy was a volatile keep-up game to begin with, what with rewards and Kickstarted games being delayed for as long as unreasonably possible so that they can allocate given Kickstarter funds to other projects.

I mean, Grisaia was supposed to done in totality more than a year ago, for instance with an 18+ physical release, and we all know how that went. Most people haven't even gotten half of what they paid for...

There's also that WEE Kickstarter that was due a year and a half ago, and that isn't even a very long game. What they ARE delivering are dogshit-quality translations too, and most people haven't even gotten their backer rewards from that mishap.

Basically, it's all evidence to the fact that SP is ailing and on the verge of death. The fact that dovac left the public eye after so many years of making an ass of himself no matter what hole he dug himself into, means the situation is truly *that* desperate, enough so that he understands the gravity of the situation, or, at least, his investors do.

>>15725400
To be fair Amantes Amentes is considered the definitive version by a lot of people (though to get everything you'd have to play both because Light does that kind of shit). But these cropped "HD remakes" companies keep putting out are baffling, it's ridiculous.

>>15725426
>>15725407
Moogy also hates honorifics so we're safe. English doesn't allow that shit so we shouldn't leave them in. Learn japanese for the authentic experience :^)

>>15725451
Sekai is going to be fine financially as long as they have Nekopara/Sakura/Rabi Ribi to fall back on, as well as their upcoming Sony deal. The problem they have though is that the market for full length titles has shrunk after an initial burst, and appears to still be in decline so while they can tolerate the storm, the market for all those full length titles they picked up looked much better after the first Grisaia and Clannad sold 20k, then after Root Double and the second Grisaia were closer to 3k.

There is a market to be have for those titles, after all MG and Jast still exist, but the huge numbers for full length titles (aside from big hits with crossover appeal to the anime crowd) were nothing more than an unsustainable illusion. Though this isn't any more Sekai's problem than an industry problem, Sekai just counted on that illusion more then most since it occurred while the company was in a mode of rapid expansion.

>>15725526
If those two retards hate honorifics I have no choice but to support keeping them in localizations even more.

Also, in some cases I think removing them is simply not an option unless you cut off entire lines of dialogue. See Princess Evangile for example, where they are frequently a topic of conversation.

Do we know if Conjueror has anything to do with this release of DI?

>>15725544
We've known for a while now that Conjueror and Gare's secret project was Dies irae.

>>15725533
The thing is that SP destroyed their own market by flooding it with bottom-of-the-barrel OELVN shit, alienating everyone except the $5 Steam audience who have no standards or customer loyalty. It's the exact same thing that destroyed all interest in anime in the US for like, a decade, more.

>>15725538
> where they are frequently a topic of conversation.
You can always replace it with some dank memes because its "localization".

>>15725548
I thought that was just the odd passage for fun or something, didn't realize it was confirmed they were hired for it. I've been out of touch for a long time though

>>15725533
>as well as their upcoming Sony deal
Their Vita/PS4 efforts probably aren't going to be all that successful, especially given how much they're investing into it.

if you want honorifics read it in japanese.
otherwise you, who for some reason believes a Japanese language mechanic should be in english, has no right to complain how a J-E translator who does know both languages should do their job.

The idea of what you hear like honorifics / loanwords should be in the text of a translation is retarded because you hear all the other japanese words so why not put those in as well? Just because you think you know what honorifics / loanwords are doesn't mean they shouldn't be translated.

>>15725569
Those were for fun, but Conjueror's been posting "hints" about his secret project for almost a year, and literally every other VN was eliminated once you consider each.

>>15725595
Fuck off Herkz.

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>>15725580
I'm very interested in their physical versions, but they only seem to be making deals with Limited Run and their shipping rates are too expensive, around $15 if I'm not mistaken. That's like half the price of the game.

I also think they should make a physical release of Rabi-Ribi, since that's actually a video game and it'd be nice to have it in my collection.

>>15725626
>Stop shoving the truth down my throat, I just wish to feel special for picking up so many words!

>>15725595
>has

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>>15723826
Why does this keep happening? Seriously why?

>>15725662
The fact that Makoto and koestl both uses honorifics in the their TL literally makes all your drivel irrelevant. Once again, fuck off Herkz.

>>15725595
Commiedev detected.

>>15724624
The climax countdown counter has got to be one of the best nukige inventions I've seen. More games should implement.

>>15725712
This exists?!?! In which VN?

Honorifics are kind of a tricky issue. No matter how you choose to handle them you end up with dialogue that would never actually be plausible between two English speakers, so it's awkward either way and it's nobody's fault.

>>15725724
https://vndb.org/g1172
Don't post like cancer though.

>>15725724
You want a list? I bet there's a tag for it on vndb

>>15725595
Nice bait. You can get the fuck out of this board now.

>>15725724
I know Clock-Up uses it in their games at least.

>>15725728
> be plausible between two English speakers
Good thing they're not English speakers since they're Japanese people.

/jp/ is like that too, huh? I thought only /a/ bitched about le honorifics.

>>15725728
I'd rather have Onii-chan than Setsu-poo. I already know I'm playing a Japanese game so it doesn't need to be localized so much that it loses the Japanese culture. Honorifics is just cute to hear and is a major part in how they address each other.

>>15725777
>le
>>>/l/eddit

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I can overlook Setsu-poo since Tokyo Babel was a great read overall.

>>15725798
I stopped reading Duel Savior because of onii-chan -> [name]

>>15725798
I can't wait for some Miley Cyrus references in DI

>>15725783
> Setsu-poo
The choice to drop honorifics in Tokyo Babel was hilarious since characters there are literally weebs. The last think they would do is to drop honorifics and calls someone Setsu-poo.

>>15725804
Don't worry Aroduc-kyun got better after that.

>>15725822
No, he really didn't. I read everything he translated.
Girls casually addressing Darx pissed me off so much.

>>15725819
I heard that it wasn't Conjueror that translated the demo so that choice was made by their second translator. Still doesn't excuse the editor for accepting that though.

So is Makoto dead or what?

>>15725679
What the fuck, is this real?

>>15725878
After Sekai.

>>15725679
Because it looks better that way if you're not a crossed eye motherfucker with a thing for black bars.

>>15725932

Yes, and I'm surprised you didn't know already.

Disney BD's are famously awful.

Can someone elaborate on the whole Steins;Gate situation?
Like it's being released on Steam next month. Published by Mages themselves. JAST aren't mentioned anywhere.
But isn't it JAST USA's localization? Will the Steam version differ from the one sold by JAST USA? What's the story here?

>>15725822
Proof?
He only has 1 game released. Don't try to delude yourself thinking DI will be well translated as an excuse to not learn Japanese.

>>15725819
Have you played Akiba's Trip? That was even worse. Instead of Onii-chan they put a stupid pun naming the MC differently each time; Brotector, Broski, Brokedown, Brotector, Broccoli, etc...

>>15725948
The Japanese publisher usually retains ownership of the localization.

>>15725728
What are we reading? If it is a translation, then you have to keep honorifics and special words to keep the content. If it is a rewrite to fit into a new setting, then go ahead and remove them because you can write anything that makes more sense instead.

>>15725943
It's not the entire picture. You should have multiple screens to accommodate multiple aspect ratios, because watching something in the wrong aspect ratio fucks up the picture. It's common sense.

>>15725967
So JAST just got screwed over?

>>15725972
just transcribe the entire text into romaji - ultimate translation

>>15725950
Games aren't localized specifically for autistic weebs who like to pretend they know japanese through reading romanized japanese words / honorifics that they happen to know. (~10?)
These games are localized for the general western gaming community who don't know a lick of japanese even more so now through steam. If you already know that the word is being used in that situation, it should be enough. If you so desire, just read it the way you want. Add on the honorifics yourself as you read. Don't force your weebness onto the normalfags.

If localization companies just try to continue to pander to the small VN weeb community, they're not going to grow.

>>15725948
JAST never had the rights to a Steam release. 5pb/Mages own the English script (that was also used in PQube's console releases) and are self-publishing on Steam.

>>15725972
Technically, if it's a translation, it should be good, natural English. Due to the reality of how the two languages differ drastically though, your choices are pretty much "awkward nicknames that don't sound good or convey the meaning" or "awkward implementation of Japanese language mechanics into an otherwise entirely English text." The gist of it is that if you don't want awkward, translations probably aren't for you, I guess.

>>15726002
But what about the English honorifics like -poo? Or the bro-insert-word? It is just ridiculous when they claim normal people won't understand honorifics, and then they invent new words nobody understands.

>>15725998
Weeb logic:
>Word I know / Honorific
Transcribe this you fucking piece of shit translator. I want to be able to feel like I'm reading Japanese
>Things I don't know (everything else)
omg pls translate this I can't read Japanese and need to read English.

>>15725972
The people who wants to remove honorifics are inbreeds EOPs from Burgerland who know jackshit about other cultures outside of their shithole, llike Herz and Moogy.

>>15726017
>think poo is an honorific
This is how much japanese these people don't know.

As for answering the question, since -poo isn't a honorific but more of adding -poo to create nickname, its essentially the same as if someone added -poo to someones name in english. So there'd be no problems having that in the translation.

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>>15726027
Hey, dude. We know about honorifics since the 80s when everybody thought Japan was going places.

>>15726043
Why do you care about the English localization when you don't even know English? lmao

>>15726017
>But what about the English honorifics like -poo?

I laughed

>>15726002
>Don't force your weebness onto the normalfags.
Nigger, normalfags wouldn't play game where you strip underage anime girls.

>>15726043
Not him but like nobody actually does that in English in real life, so it's quite a bit different being that honorifics are an essential part of the Japanese language. Face it, there's no way to do this shit right, meaning will be lost on English readers either way, end of story.

>>15726060
im pretty sure i've seen some mushy couples talk like that

>>15726060
> meaning will be lost on English readers
Just stop deluding yourself and thinks that its not actually only weebs who play games with anime art.

>>15726089
Sounds like you're the deluded one if you think Japanese can translate cleanly into English without any compromise

>>15726043
Can't you see that Name-kun and Name-poo would both be treated as nicknames by ignorant people?

And as I jokingly said, they would both be treated as honorifics by weebs. Especially since you want to mock any translator who picks a -poo nickname and thinks it is a translation.

So you can keep honorifics and it isn't awkward for anyone. (Until you tell those normies they are idiots and it isn't a nickname. But why would you talk to idiots?)

>>15726026
If you want to feel like you're reading Japanese just learn and read Japanese.

English translations are for people who want to read their things in English, not some retarded weeaboo lingo.

Well on our way to bump limit, thanks /vg/tards

>>15726119
Why are you acting like threads are finite?

>>15726002
The potencial buyers of these japanese games are also anime fans, nerd.

>>15726104
>if you think Japanese can translate cleanly into English without any compromise
No, I'm just saying that target audience of games with anime art don't give a shit about what I quoted and just want their honorifics.

>>15725446
It needs ported, and if Doddler's doing it it won't get ported until he finishes porting Da Capo 3.

>>15726119
As you can see there was nothing to talk about this week. Apart from localization ruining resolution, ruining adult scenes, ruining the story, ruining the character relations, and overall being the worst thing in the VN community.

>>15726116
> If you want to feel like you're reading Japanese
Nah, I just want to feel like I'm reading about Japanese people in Japan and not about retarded murrifats with their retarded -poo nicknaming.

>>15726163
But Conjueror is an Eastern Yuropoor...

>>15726163
>poo
Well, good for you, but Tokyo Babel isn't taking place in Japan, and most characters aren't even Japanese.

>>15726170
Too much hangs out with murrifats like Moogy and Herks can be dangerous for person's brain.

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>>15726116
You're in the wrong board, this one -> >>>/vg/152465854 is for aut... anons like you.

>>15726185
Tokyo Babel is literally taking place in Tokyo with characters who are all weebs though.

More often than not, you irreversibly fuck up some lines by taking away honorifics, because like it or not, Japanese people talk about honorifics and how they should address each other.
I'm looking at you, JAST's Seinarukana.

I honestly can't care enough about honorifics to make that big of a deal out of it. They honestly don't change too much. That said I would say that a great translation without honorifics would indeed be more elegant than one with them.

And I have never bought the argument that honorifics can't be properly translated and that therefore they and they in particular should always just be transcribed. Because going down that line of argument, Japanese is shock full of things equally tricky and or tough to translate, and yet no one neither expects nor would want these words and terms to just be transcribed.

People just want honorifics in particular to receive special treatment, because they feel comfortable and familiar with honorifics. Even though they start disagreeing with the very same lines of arguments for why just transcribing honorifics would be preferable, the moment it's extended to other terms.
It's the point where I feel like if Japanese pronouns or whatever in the early days of anime fansubs, were all just transcribed just like honorifics so often are, then people today would all hold on tight to the idea of how Japanese pronouns should never be translated either.

I wonder how they translate English to Japanese. Do they force in honorifics because "if we don't have them, it doesn't read Japanese". And since the information doesn't exist, do they create new personalities and relationships?

>>15726249
I like your bait, but obviously honorifics don't create personalities or relationships. But they show them to us.
Like I said earlier, in BB, all the underlings are very formal towards Darx. Yet the translation has the exact opposite. Plus >>15726242.

>>15726245
I think specific culture words need to be kept. Like tsundere, oniichan, yakisoba. I don't want to read about bipolar, bros, hamburgers, just because someone figured it was more English.

Honorifics tend to be a subject of discussion so it falls under this idea.

I don't feel the same with -sensei or pronouns though. Which could make it tricky if you are keeping honorifics but replacing all -sensei with -san.

>>15726219
You didn't read Tokyo Babel did you...? That place is only designed to look like Tokyo.

And characters make as many western culture references as they do Japanese (if not even more), from Civilization to Monthy Python sketches and "This is Sparta!".

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If it's in the context of, say, American characters living in America then I'm fine without honorifics. I'm perfectly fine if they're kept, it's just I'd understand if they were removed.

In any other situation they should be included.

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>Every time Raziel and Lilith played Civilization on a fucking console

>>15726249
>Do they force in honorifics
Nah. Ameritard are the only ones who cannot understand the fact that there is different cultures existing in the world. They never translate or delete Ms and Mrs to my native language despite the fact that its as alienate to us as honorifics to Ameritards.

>>15726249
They tend to add honorifics where the text would sound unnatural without them, but in general there's less of them in translations than in things originally written in Japanese.

It's on case by case basis, basically.

>>15726300
>They still believe the guy was born in December 25th
All of my keks

>>15726321
I know you like to post plebbit vn links, but you don't actually have to share even the other subplebbits here.

>Nozomu-kun, you still haven't addressed me by my name
While he's been addressing her as Satsuki the whole game. This is the future in Herkz's world.

>>15726427
Twitter is worst possible place for two pages long rants. Why do people keep misusing it?

>>15722468
>>Fata morgana fan disc - 31% translated
No way they're finishing that this year.

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>>15726439
He's a self-admitted attention whore, so it makes sense he keeps doing that.

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herkz wrote an article for Polygon on the current state of the visual novel market. It's honestly pretty enlightening.

>>15726457
Birds of a feather

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>no gf to read Fata Morgana with

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>>15726480
>no gf

>>15726457
Aren't there quite a lot of works that panders a lot to or even exclusively to women though?

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>>15726457
>Wanting to be taken seriously by (((critics)))
No, thanks you.

>>15726457
Is this author not aware the countless number VNs specifically made for women?

>>15726507
Mentioning that wouldn't bring in the clicks.

>>15726507
They are mad the more popular shit panders to perverted basement-dweller guys

So, is this Wish game any good? VNDB's got nothing on it.

>>15724976
>What I could never figure out is why JAST allowed such bad translations in the first place?

Oh, come now. The lowest bid gets the contract. They want the minimum quality translation that counts as English, and give enough time for the script to be read start to end 1.5 times -- lets hope they can type in english 50% faster than they can read in japanese at fluent speed. It really shouldn't have been a surprise to anybody.

At that point, you are better off machine translating the entire script, importing it into MS word, and then re-TLing the sporadic chunks that show up as grammar errors and hope you get the context correct, but at least it will be consistent across the board.

>>15726450
What a pretentious faggot. He's still reading Taiwanese porn powerpoints like the rest of us

>>15726553
JAST is known as being slow as fuck. That's their reputation. They're not known for VNs that read like it came from Google Translate. Flowers is their worst translated title to date which is why it took everybody by surprise.

>>15726624
Starless was pretty garbage too though. Sadly I don't actually know anyone that's played Raidy or some of their other B list titles to comment on them.

>>15726638
I really need to play that at some point.

>>15726624
Worst? Do you even have read any VN from JAST before Demonbane? Like Kazoku Keikaku or Cosplay Fetish Academy or Snow Snakura or...

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>>15726650
Moero Downhill Night is a classic that every /jp/sie should read.

>>15726656
No, Thank You!
I wouldn't even recomend it to my worst enemy.

>>15726672
is it really that bad?

>>15726672
What if he's gay? Or she (equal rights here) is a fujoshi?

>>15726650

Have you? None of them are the kind of trainwreck that Flowers is.

>>15726675
That font and background make my eyes bleed, but I couldn't comment on the game itself.

>>15726681
Flowers isn't really as bad as people are making it out to be.

>>15726457
Shit people belong on a shit website.

>>15726698
We're talking about when it first came out not the new and improved version that we got after much complaining.

http://luminance.org/flowers/

>>15726457
and i thought my opinion of herkz couldnt go lower

>>15726675
The nun route begans when you enter the church, the mc discuss something with her and after one race the mc returns to the church, they fuck and... end of the quality plot.

>>15726751
Kamige.

>>15726675
http://kotaku.com/5975091/this-adult-3d-racer-is-neither-a-good-racing-game-nor-a-good-visual-novel
http://www.otakureview.net/?p=5672

>>15726457
Very enlightening read, thank you for sharing this.

https://twitter.com/herkzzz/status/767242369804546048?s=09

>>15726457
The western market is no where big enough to require critics to begin with and quite frankly the last thing people want is somebody telling them how to enjoy their porn.

>>15726743

You're getting baited anonymous, for that is neither polygon nor herkz.

>>15726796
https://twitter.com/herkzzz/status/767441516545454080

Shitty memes are okay but honorifics? YOU CAN'T COMPREHEND THE NUANCES!.

>>15726833
>>Nozomu-kun, you still haven't addressed me by my name
>>While he's been addressing her as Satsuki the whole game. This is the future in Herkz's world.
Herkiboi will defend this.

>>15726796
That rant is despite the fact that he personally has been advising people to not play the Steam version of the 2nd Grisaia title because of non-H edits, when that was one of the better all ages releases as far as keeping content goes. The idea of "the H-scenes aren't needed" isn't a unreasonable position (even if I, and most people here, would prefer to keep them in, and for a fair number it is a deal breaker). But pretending it is a choice simply between H-scenes is a false choice, because in practice efforts like Degica's Muv Luv and MG's Bokuten that try to minize the differences between the two versions are rare and generally done by companies who release an uncut version regardless. Most censored versions done by Japanese companies include cuts for other objectionable content.

>>15726796
>>15726833

Stop paying attention to retards on the internet. It's bad for your blood pressure.

>>15726833
> mmmmuh special magical steam crowd that suddenly doesn't dislike all my fuckups and doesn't treat weaboo stuff as weaboo
> literally "muh anime girls" in every review
herkz has his head down his ass so deep that there's even Escher would be staggered by resulting geometry.

>>15727006
It's like he's never checked the Steam forums to see what that audience actually thinks. Or how most Steam VNs aren't selling to some huge wide audience that makes the regular customer base irrelevant.

>>15726796
Herkz is correct in that there is surely a monetary part of deciding to do a second, uncut, release, but it doesn't make the lack of one any less of a valid complaint just because a sizable market doesn't care. It just makes it a calculated business decision, and it is up to the publisher to decide the loss vs gain of the economics of having an uncut release. But for a consumer who does not a finicial stake in the company, the complaints are not valid or invalid based solely on that. If the business decision is made to go with a censored release only because the 18+ sales wouldn't be worth it, then that is a reasonable business decision to make, but don't expect to win over the people who wanted an 18+ release with an economic arguement.

Though that said, Herkz has been overestimating the value of this new broader market. A meme title like Nekopara has sold 6 figures, but efforts to repeat that with new franchises have largely fallen flat and at the very least it isn't a stable source of sales as it functions largely by chance and has had declining odds over time. Additionally, the numbers have been in decline for new VN franchises on Steam, both short and long. The Steam market is still larger then the MG/etc off site distribution by a good margin, especially for well known titles, but the situation has changed somewhat. A year ago I would have fully agreed with Herkz on this new market completely superseding the old existing market, but the bubble has since burst where just having a title on steam made it a success even if Herkz hasn't noticed. It still is the larger market by a good amount, but it remains to be seen where the market decline levels off, especially for non-famous titles.

That said, I'd agree with him that Dies Irae, with an anime promoting it, will likely get good sales no matter what they do thanks to tapping into the anime crowd. In fact, I don't really mind just the all ages version of Dies Irea considering the extra content, though I hope they revert some of the dialogue/gore edits. But that, along with other titles with large crossover appeal, is more of an exception compared to say, most of Sekai or MG's upcoming lineup without the luxury of such an advertisement or crossover appeal.

>>15727098
The real thing to be miffed about in regards to DI is the cropping of CGs just so they can call it a widescreen "HD" release.

>>15727118
just play the japanese version at the same time

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Turns out Steam is not the goldmine it was supposed to be.

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Herkz should give some advice here since he understands the market so well.

>>15727174
>>15727175
Never seen a company outright say their game is selling like garbage before, it must be doing catastrophically poorly for them to admit it.

>>15727174
>>15727175
Peak lol.

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>>15727174
>>15727175
I hope it's not past the point of no return. The game is super cute, and I like how animated it is.
Good music and voice acting too.

That said though. If I were to guess, I imagine the whole episodic thing really kills sales. But I am no expert.

>>15727235
It's not that simple, or else Nekopara wouldn't be the monster that it is.

>>15727235
Because I'd rather wait for Island which seems more interesting.

>>15727174
>>15727175
I think the only 3 points i have would be
>Episodic
>No 18+/18+ is a patch
>Overestimated the market
They were probably expecting Nekopara level sells, but that ship has long sailed. I am curious on how well Meikyuu did though.
I do hope that this doesn't stall Island in anyway though, I still do plan on buying that.

>>15727174
1. Unifinished game.
2. People nit picky about 18+ patches
3. Uninteresting/generic
4. Not written by anybody famous
5. Brand new so no potential shilling from Japanese readers
6. No shilling from mo0()gy-heika and company.
Together those make the game a "eh i'll wait to pirate it since idk if it'd be worth my money"

Related to point 5, I don't understand why companies are trying to release things earlier/same time in the west when the west has no followers/fans of Frontwing/VN companies like Japane does that will buy on release. The west usually relies on JOP opinions.

>>15726457
link?

Are episodic releases even a thing in Japan? I thought they were more about releasing a full sized vn, then release a fandisc.
This episodic thing sounds like a bad habit learned from the West.
I wonder how it's going to perform in Japan, since it comes out there this week if I'm not mistaken.

>>15727266
7. oh yeah forgot to mention steam is flooded with garbage (ORIGINAL ENGLISH VISUAL NOVELS) that corona blossom will just blend in with them and people would miss it.

>>15727275
Don't even give a visit to that garbage pamphlet.

>>15727174
>>15727175
>Episodic
>Kinetic novel
Instant drop, not even worth pirating until the game is finished. Doesn't help that it looks generic as hell.

>>15727264
>>15727266
It probably is just one point, the market isn't there. MG's huge failure with Supipara after Eden got 5 figures, Grisaia dropping from 20k+ to 3k, Karakara not taking off, the highly appealing Sonicomi and Umineko being under
4k on steam spy, and this failure likely all have that same basic problem.

>>15727277
Supipara is episodic and it almost killed Minori. Though I'd say the main issue with that was ridiculously high pricing.

>>15727174
>Fans already prepaid in the form of crowdfunding and even did it past the goal
>What was delivered was a VN was short and without and any routes
>Patch for the ero scenes is literally the same price as the VN itself (double the price but not double the content)
>Wants to crowdfund even more episodes with unknown length and quality
>Still not satisfied and wants Nekopara-level success

Too bad the world isn't that easy, huh?

>>15727354
But that's exactly what Nekopara did. The only difference is that Nekopara became a meme, CB didn't.

>>15727364
The one difference that it had was a restrictive streaming policy, but that only took a 1% big hit down to a 0% chance.

>>15727364
Wasn't the patch free though? Or am I misremembering?

>>15727382
The initial version was separate (but there was an unofficial patch made). The second had a patch at the same price as the game.

>>15727382
Only for bakers. In Nekopara's case, the sold the porn as patch, also releasing it +18 in DLsite.

>>15725595
Nigger do you even marketing?
The audience DI is intended for is so niche it's taken as a given the use of honorifics.

>>15727433
DI is meant for the Nekopara audience

>>15727454
bwhahahahaha
That's it, I'm out.

>>15727454
There's no Emote in DI and no boob sliders, no buy.

>>15727433
>german characters using japanese honorifics in an english translation

Even if they removed honorifics all the EOP beggers would read DI anyway because of how shilled it is. On that case, I don't know if theres people who actually flat out refuse to read something if there's no honorifics. So even if they're removed, people will read it and people outside of the existing VN fanbase will be able to read without being assaulted by these strange name attachments that have unknown meaning.

>>15727454
Dies Irae is meant for the audience who watches anime and are interested enough in the anime to buy the game.

Purely from a business standpoint, I would assume that Dies Irae should follow whatever conventions the official anime subtitles will use. However that ends up.
Though whether or not the anime should have honorifics or not is its own entire argument. But if the fansubs and VN translation does not match, that will throw people off.

>>15727466
>people outside of the existing VN fanbase

What on earth makes you think those people would ever read a VN in the first place?

>>15727466
Are you forgetting the fact that it's a japanese product, intended for weebs and otaku?
The honorifics are part of what makes eroge special. Otherwise I'd read a non-weeb english book about germans and shit.

>>15727469
Dies Irae is meant for Bleach kiddies.

I'll buy Coroblo once it's out of Steam. Fuck that shitty platform and its shitty people.

>>15727283
ok senpai(●´ω｀●)

>>15727466
>would read DI anyway
Yes, by pirating it.
When "free" version is one click away, you need to pander to audience to make them pay for it.

>>15727488
Its a Japanese product written for Japanese people that include weebs and otaku.
It includes honorifics because it's written in the Japanese language which has honorifics, not because its intended for weebs.
Now its going to get an English translation so it should be written in English.

Would you read a OELVN if it had honorifics and was pandered toward weebs?

>>15727532
>It includes honorifics because it's written in the Japanese language which has honorifics, not because its intended for weebs.
What do you think weebs want?
I mean, did you never notice how often they say uguu kawaii desu.
>Would you read a OELVN if it had honorifics and was pandered toward weebs?
No, because I'm so weeb I only read jap stuff.

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>>15727532
>Would you read a OELVN

>>15727532
>Would you read a OELVN
kek

>>15727532
The Sakurai OELVNs use honorifics and they've sold more than pretty much every localized VN besides Nekopara. So I guess so.

>>15727549
Damn, anon got blown the fuck out hard. Better not post here again.

>>15727549
They sold because everybody kept making videos /stream of how bad they were creating it a lot of attention. It also one of the first OELVNs and has good art compared to the other crappy OELVNs

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>>15727532
>Would you read a OELVN

We all know VNs have gone down in sales because Sekai Project so foolishly flooded the market with absolute trash.

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>>15727549

>>15727602
Why would they care about quality VNs? They didn't even want to be in the VN business in the first place.

>>15727602
That doesn't even make sense.
Flooding the market would logically decrease the price, not sales.

>>15727610
Tell that to japanese companies.

>>15727610
>Flooding the market would logically decrease the price, not sales.
Only if the market gets crowded with products that are actually appealing. But if it gets crowded with products that are absolute trash, the common man will assume that's all there is and won't even bother to look for things that aren't. Instead assuming he won't find anything else.

>>15727621
How would they differentiate the quality if they are new to the market?

>>15727610
Have you never heard of the video game crash?

>>15727610
1. Buyer have limited amount of money to spend on entertainment. If there are many options to select from, sales per single option decrease with amount of options released per month.
2. Steam buyers have no ability to discern quality of individual titles in advance. If he buys shit tier VNs several times, he's much less likely to buy any VNs in the future, since he will assume they are same as shit tier ones.

>>15727629
Saturation of consoles, not of games.
Besides costs of distribution are lower in the vn market I presume thanks to digital copies.

>>15727627
By trying one or two titles, seeing for themselves that they're total trash. Than hearing from others that tried one or two other titles, that also said they were trash. And so on.

This is far from limited to games, but something that affects most markets in one fashion or another. Even a mediocre product is prone do better than an excellent product in a sea of turds.

>>15727632
>>15727641
Shitty games are cheap. Better quality games are more expensive. What's the problem with that?

>>15727643

Have you never bought anything and thought it was shit? Did it make you want to go out buy it again?

>>15727610
SP please.

>>15727648
Not likely.
According to some economists (Akerloff) the price is a good indicator to how good or bad it's something.

>>15727639
You should probably read up on it a bit more. It was the saturation of both consoles and games, mate.

>>15727639
It was for games, you dipshit.
https://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_video_game_crash_of_1983

>>15727655
something is*
fuck me

>>15727266
Why did you write his name that way is moogy filtered? Test

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>>15727639
>Experts predicted a glut in 1983, with 10% of games producing 75% of sales. BYTE stated in December that "in 1982 few games broke new ground in either design or format ... If the public really likes an idea, it is milked for all it's worth, and numerous clones of a different color soon crowd the shelves. That is, until the public stops buying or something better comes along. Companies who believe that microcomputer games are the hula hoop of the 1980s only want to play Quick Profit.Unlike Nintendo, Sega, Sony, or Microsoft in later decades, the hardware manufacturers in this era lost exclusive control of their platforms' supply of games. With it, they also lost the ability to ensure stores were never overloaded with products. Activision, Atari, and Mattel all had experienced programmers, but many of the new companies rushing to join the market did not have enough experience and talent to create the games. Titles such as Chase the Chuck Wagon (about dogs eating food, funded by the dog food company Purina), Skeet Shoot, and Lost Luggage were examples of games made in the hopes of taking advantage of the video-game boom. While heavily advertised and marketed, these games were perceived to be of poor quality and did not catch on as hoped, further damaging the industry.

>>15727549
Do they even rely on steam to make money? They get 10k a month on Patreon.

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>>15727716
Why is he acting like Grisaia didn't have honorifics?

>>15726833
Meru responded to this by the way.

Herkz, if you want e-peen, then tell me how you would have translated Satsuki's line in Seinarukana. I've been waiting for it the whole day.

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>>15727818
If moogy doesn't know Japanese, then Herkz doesn't know anything.

>>15727773
Shouldn't Xythar be busy getting triggered by gamergate or something

>>15727174
>>15727175
Artstyle and characters look alright but I'm not buying nor playing stuff where the ero is optional.

>>15727824
>says it was ok earlier
>now just shits all over it
Why is moogy such a two-faced shitter?

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I wonder how well Flowers actually did.

>>15727836
If something is translated, then its automatically kusoge. Modus operandi of mugi crowd since forever.

>>15727836
moogy's entire relevance is based on being superior. If people can read what he holds high over the masses it becomes useless and therefore shit.

>>15727837
Are these ranked in order, or did Flowers have more explosive launch sales than Conception and Grow Up?
Because if so then that's pretty impressive, no?

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Censored + cropped + steam + kickstarter.
Man, its almost like dovac is now working for light.