It's time for a retro(ish?) dating sim/eroge thread, /jp/.

post more funny screenshots

um ok I just wanna say that I love the end song from My Honey
I like to listen often I put it on my iPod

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>>15627407
I don't really have any, really. I was scanning my drives for a relevant picture and I grabbed that one. I think the OP pic from a Something Awful "hentai game review" article from fifteen years a go if I remember right.
Here's an old demotivational.

>>15627589
>Something Awful "hentai game review" article
Fucking blast from the past right there
I miss those

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>>15627390
I am glad OP deliver. Btw does Dokyusei 2 considered as dating sim ? Too bad there is no translation for it after
all these years.

Any idea where can I download all those old games?

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>>15628060
Hello, gikopoi anon! Honestly, I'm fine with anything close to it being discussed, not that it's my thread to run or anything.

>>15628135
There's a somewhat popular website that has a handful of them that you can play in your browser with flash. http://tss.asenheim.org/
Make use of [Ctrl + Scroll Up] to reduce the resolution of the page and thus make the screen larger.
For downloading them Eroge Download is great. It even has /vr's favorite: Yu-no: http://erogedownload.com/downloads/

>>15628223
She is a loli r-right?

>>15628060
By god, yes. Doukyuusei series is THE primordial dating sim.

I played X-Chage 2 the other day so I guess that counts.

Any of you guys managed to make Gloria work in any of the new windows versions? The damn thing has been broken since Win2000.

>>15636043
I have installation problem with Tsuki -Possession in my Win7.

>>15636043
Just use a VM

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>>15627390
Had fun with Maid Story (1997).

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>>15632556
I enjoyed those way too much. Very awkward story, but it managed to work. Did you ever play X-Change Alternative? I found it very novel how you could play as different girls.
I think everyone should play at least one of the Xchange games for the novelty of it. If you're unaware, /jp/, the "Xchange" is due to the protagonist starting off as a guy and getting turned into a girl shortly into the story. It's not just yuri so be aware of that.

>>15648316
Xchange 1 to this day is one of my most treasured masturbation memories. It was a trip that helped me discover myself, and what I like stroking my schlong to.

I wish people still made real dating sims. All I see now are a bunch of EVNs mislabeled and sold as dating sims.

It's annoying.

>>15628060
izumi was the best girl

debate me atheists

>>15652827
I'm curious, since I'm (still) kicking around the idea of making one, what do you think it is that differentiates dating sims from visual novels? Is it the presence of a lot of plot or a complicated setting, something that takes focus away from the girls or boys you're trying to date, or something else?

>>15654903
>what do you think it is that differentiates dating sims from visual novels?

Stats and gameplay. It should be more than just making choices. There should be activities that raise stats and others that reward the player with money to spend on the girl they like. Girls should should have specific traits and items that they prefer over others to give the player and idea on where to start.

>>15655127
>stats

opinion discarded

>>15652965
The rich girl? I think she was the last girl I pursued in DQS2. Always forgot about her for some reason or another.

>>15655861
>never played a dating sim

Go back to /evn/

>>15656475
>>>vr is over there, tokimemoshitter

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>>15657036
Hey, don't speak ill of Tokimemo.

>>15654903
You should have to use your brain to win over the girls somehow. Even better if they can affect each others' behavior. It's not enough to just hit space bar to choose a route - you don't get ANY girl if you suck.

Rather than a romance novel, you are going for a seduction simulator.

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>>15664109
That is always good, but the only downside of it is when the player abuses game mechanics.

Like giving Karen a dozen wine bottles per day in Harvest Moon.

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I've started Nocturnal Illusion. I haven't played this game in something like 18 years and it's probably not something I should have played at that age as a sheltered teenager with psychological issues.

>>15654903
>>15664109
There's also a stat and time management that's important, although you could always find a different way of doing things.
This is one of the most difficult things to quantify in a game because love and romance isn't supposed to follow a cause-and-effect formula, or at least we tell ourselves that. Then again, people like us who play these games tend to not have anything real to compare it to.

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>>15652965

I like Tomomi more.
-Glasses
-Long hair
-MC's Childhood friend
-Kind except when she misunderstood the MC for taking her pictures

Too bad that her ending photo CG sucks.

>>15674509
Whatever happened to the CG artist anyway? I know that he contiued working for ELF on a few Dragon Knight games, but then went to do whatever. Anybody knows?

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>>15676725
Nevermind, found it myself.　The guy's been busy!

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%AB%B9%E4%BA%95%E6%AD%A3%E6%A8%B9

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>>15676725
He did the art for a LN released last month.

>>15677568
His style sure has changed though. I would even say that he has worsened, since it looks a lot more generic now.

>>15674509
tomomi is literally the worst girl, and by a long shot at that. awful mumbling voice (at least in the PC version), absolutely retarded drama, glasses, boring personality (and her awareness of it doesnt make it better), and she even gets cummed on by le fat autist in that dream sequence, christ. the worst elf heroine

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>>15680481

>absolutely retarded drama

I agree. Which is cut down in the OVA, but then the OVA also make Yui route canon, so fuck that.

>Glasses

That's not bad you ungrateful pleb.

>boring personality

She's supposed to be the normal childhood friend heroine of the skirt-chaser MC, her docile and shy personality is part of her appeal in contrast to other heroines.

>gets cummed on by le fat autist in that dream sequence

Not her fault that the MC go paranoid after seeing her and the fat fuck at the back of the gym.

>the worst elf heroine

That's not Tamaki.

>>15680626
my gripe with the Doukyuusei 2 protagonist is that while everyone in the game calls him a skirt chaser (like with the protag of the first game), he is actually not really aggressive or even very active in the hunt of the girls. most of the game's relationships only happen because one party or the other had a change of mind (most obviously with the main heroine), and not because the player and the ingame character both successfully applied their nanpa skills. you as the player are battling more with the player character than the heroines in this regard. its probably because somebody told hiruta after the release of the first game that this was in fact a renai series, which is why he made these extended endings (which I personally found to be pretty depressing in a way) and thus moved away from the pure dating format to a "life simulation", prefigured by the sequel's prologue and completed in Kakyuusei, which later became the industry standard. but of course DKS 2 is superior in many other aspects to the first game, especially in the presentation department.

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Who can forget True love.

>>15680987
"Junior college."

>>15680760
Sequel's prologue? I know that elf released some sort of fandisk involving Doukyuusei 2, but I never got my hands on it. Is that the one you are talking about?

>>15682607
I am thinking of the last school week you go through before the main game in which movement is restricted, it serves as an introduction to the characters. No idea if this section was in the original, burnit was present in the version I played.

>>15682794
No, no. I am pretty sure there was a disk for the PC98 that had both an after story and a joke version of Doukyuusei.

I somewhat remember a scene from it. At the hospital, several heroines told you that there was nobody there, which each of them getting more and more annoyed at your insistance until Sakurako appears says something, proceeds t laugh like a retard and then dies.

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>>15682849

You mean these two? The first one starts on 1/4, which is almost the end of the game, and the other one has Yui's alternate face, Yoko driving her motorcycle into the cafe when MC is cleaning it, and other shenanigans.

Now I wish I had Kakyuusei 2's DMM version because they also packed three Another Story extra content in it. I only have the main game now.

Anyone know where I can get the PC version of this https://vndb.org/v6956 ?

>>15655127
Enterbrain's love sims (True Love Story, KimiKiss, Amagami etc.) would not fit this definition, yet at the same time they're clearly not visual novels.

>>15683955
Yui's alternate face? I *think* you mean Yui with a unfortunately ugly face, correct? Then the MC goes round looking for the actual Yui or something.

>>15685374
Wasn't that game just for the Super Famicom?

>>15687272
VNDB lists a PC version too but since I cant find it I guess I have to play console version.

>>15669265

>when the player abuses game mechanics

Bound to happen when some heroine/scenes are nearly impossible to get without any sort of walkthrough whatsoever, like hidden trigger event condition with strict time limit when the game doesn't drop any hint/drop only vague hint about said event until it's too late, leaving the player in frustration as they see a gaping hole in the CG room. Especially if the game has limited save slot.

>>15664109

>you don't get ANY girl if you suck.

Though sometimes there are heroines that's really easy to get and require the player blatantly sabotage her events in order not to get her.

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>>15687991
Sounds a lot like what happens often in Kakyuusei. The only hint you get are from the statue and the scroll vendor, and you have to pay for them.

Minatsu, for example, took me a while to figure out. Ryoko too had a very sensitive time period if you missed one of her lines.

Anyone know how to run X-Chage in windowed mod ?

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>>15627390
tfw love bible black. Yea i'm fucked up in the head but it's fucking worth it

>>15691318
>Yea i'm fucked up in the head
Go back to facebook, kid.

>>15657126
>>15669265

Holy shit. What'd you have to do (beyond the obvious) to piss them of that badly?

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>>15695915
Ignoring them.

No, seriously. This game is more of a gigolo simulator than a dating simulator. Tokimemo suffers from the fact that as you proceed to increase your stats, girls start paying attention to you. However, if you decide to play the loyal boyfriend and date only one girl, the spurned girls will begin to get impatient, until the feared "bomb" event happens. This means that the girl will begin to spread lies about you, which will in turn make other girls bomb you as well. At that point, just start anew since there is no way for you to recover, unless you are going for the hidden Koala girl or the best girl in the game.

>>15696528

>if you decide to play the loyal boyfriend and date only one girl, the spurned girls will begin to get impatient, until the feared "bomb" event happens

What the fuck. Is there a small talk action in that game to will keep them friendly but not too friendly? Does this bullshit mechanic fixed in the sequels?

>>15697107
It is a common mechanic across games. One of its trademarks, really.

You have to date the girls in a extremely efficient manner, while keeping a just friends policy. Some girls are more temperamental than others.

>>15697978

That's stupid, especially that the game's theme is romance. The game should punish the player for dating multiple girls, unless the game clearly differentiates the 'date' with the 'hanging out with friends', which is fine because the player is punished for being a prick, and shifting the challenge being less luck-oriented challenge of running around the town to visit random place just to trigger one of the heroine's events, to more time-management challenge of raising their own stats to make sure they could get the girl they want, and making sure the player can balance their time with friends and their lover.

I think I know why dating sim is more of secondary traits in modern romance games and not the primary mechanic of the game: It's hard to make a fair challenge out of it that the player wants to experience it without looking at the walkthrough.

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>>15699487
If you ask me, it is because they didn't fully test the game. They tried to implement a way so you wouldn't just date a girl for a few months and then moved on to others.

At the end they probably just rolled with it and made it a "feature". Igarashi was kind of the producer and the scenario writer for this game, and he has explicitly said he never, ever wants to make another game like that ever again. Mind you, it was probably his best sold game ever.

>>15648316

X-Change 1, alternative and 2 are all 10/10 boner.

>>15680987

shit I need to play or watch this again now.

>>15700307

>They tried to implement a way so you wouldn't just date a girl for a few months and then moved on to others.

They could've made some of the events time specific, or made the game automatically ends when the girl confess or make separate section for the lovey dovey events with the selected heroine. Like Love Plus, except the dating sim part of Love Plus is shit since it's not the meat of the game.

>he has explicitly said he never, ever wants to make another game like that ever again

He hates Tokimemo mechanic or hates working on dating sim in general? If the former, maybe Iga could make Tokimemo successor after he's done with Bloodstained, because Konami continuously shot their own feet and I don't want Tokimemo and Love Plus dragged down along with them. Not sure if there will be enough dating sim audiences to fill his kickstarter though, especially on overseas.

>>15701733
>IGA's first taste of true success was Tokimeki Memorial, a popular dating sim in Japan that was about being in high school. Even though the game was a huge hit, IGA refused to do a sequel, harboring the mindset that he had done everything he felt he could with the original.

http://www.chapelofresonance.com/articles/iga.html

My apologies. So he refused to work on Tokimemo 2, but it was because he felt he couldn't bring anything more.

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Speaking of old games, I remember reading an article many years ago that the first eroge ever made was one named "Lolita Box". The details are hazy at best, but it had something to do with chasing after little girls and knocking them out with a wrench for heinous purposes.

>>15707743
That's wrong. The first (japanese) eroge is Night Life, it was released by a company no one remembers today named Koei.

http://erogereport.blog.jp/archives/1301651.html

>>15707913
Does it even qualify as eroge? Seems like your typical porn, not the specific pretty girl style. Semantics I suppose.

Also, I seem to be wrong. I recognize the images, and the game was actually named just ロリータ.

>http://erogereport.blog.jp/archives/1301651.html
>ロリータ･シンドローム
Holy shit Enix, what the fuck.

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>>15652827
Here's an EVN that's actually a school life simulation game, with stats and all that!

Too bad it's shit

Lovely X Cation series was the last school life sim I remember but the gameplay wasn't stellar there.

>do a blind playthrough
>end up alone

just like in real life ;_;

>>15699487
>That's stupid, especially that the game's theme is romance. The game should punish the player for dating multiple girls, unless the game clearly differentiates the 'date' with the 'hanging out with friends'
This is kind of supposed to be the case - Tokimemo is so chaste that the ENDING of the game is the love confession and I don't even think you kiss or hold hands before then.

>>15708426

>but the gameplay wasn't stellar there.

When was pure dating sim ever has good gameplay? Normal game with tiny dating sim mechanic like Harvest Moon and it's spinoffs has better gameplay and even allow the player to actually live on with the heroine beyond the love confession part. Even Persona 4 did modern school life dating sim gameplay better than some of the pure dating sims except for the ending, with stats to attract characters and advance in their events, time management, and other stuff like special events at certain date or if you romance more than one girl at once. Remove the RPG part of Persona 4, tweak the scenes and characters, add couple endings according to current relationship with the heroine, slap a new title on the modified game, and Atlus ready to steamroll everyone in non-h dating sim industry. If anyone buys it that is, because the market for pure dating sim is extremely small compared to normal games.

Anyone ever try translating Doukyuusei? Or Kakyuusei for that matter?

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I played through May Club again and went for the same character I did back in the day. It was very surreal to do it again. I think May Club played a role in me developing certain tastes.
Real spoiler here, don't read it if you don't want this character's story ruined:
May Club is a game where you meet people in Virtual Reality. This girl is actually a trap in real life. When you meet in real life you can reject him or stay true to your words about "loving her even if she was a man or devil". The ending has a few lines about you two campaigning to legalize gay marriage in Japan, which happens. Pretty surreal.

>>15708471
It's better than simply ending with someone you weren't going for. Failure states, however demoralizing, add more to the virtual world because your actions have meaning. If that anon that was talking about making a modern dating sim is still here, I think this part is vital.

>>15715201
I've seen people talk about doing it in the past, but I don't think it went anywhere. At this point in time it would certainly be a labor of love that would reach an extremely narrow audience.

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>>15715201

I doubt anyone want to do it, because it's very old, nearly not known in overseas, and has outdated frustrating mechanics like limited save (at least for Doukyuusei 2 you literally only have 1 save slot until you can get diaries in game for more save slot.), restricted save location (you can only save in your room), and luck-based challenge to meet the some heroines in places with little to no clue where or when they probably are or if you screw the pooch when trying to find the events until the very end of the game unless you consult to strategy guide. Only dating sim enthusiasts that know the history of dating sims will like it, because they could experience the games that pioneered and shaped the whole dating sim industry as we know it. Other people would just stay away from it.

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>>15723148
Well, someone did translate Pia Carrot E Yokoso and Bloody Bride for the PC-FX and PSX respectively, the latter of which is ultra "Literally Who" of dating sims.

Now, maybe there's a huge description in script size but I'm definitely amused that the less popular ones get done first.

>>15723148
you play those three games because they have entertaining writing, the randomness of it is something you can easily deal with, at least I could, and I played them some two years ago. its not like they only have "historical value", these games are simply fun and will always be. I think the biggest obstacle to reaching a modern audience would rather be the low resolution and the lack of "shiny" graphics.

>>15714961
The Cation series games are basically your standard "Pick which gril to fug" like in most other modern VNs, along with some map movement choices adjust your stats which basically only affect the H-scenes.
Like in the Vita port of the first game the only things your stats affect are literally 1 scene in one of the heroine's route due to there being no H scenes, so it's a far cry from the 級生 games and so on.

>>15643467
I still love you, Sanae.

Question, where do you anons get your PC98 games? PC98.org doesn't seem to have the hentai games.

Are games like "Geo Slave" just lost due to its irrelevancy?

>>15674294
>Nocturnal Illusion
That game was great. Along with Dividead the first visual novels I played and what a great time. It blowed my mind.

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>>15739456
I got all mine from a guy named BTAxis many years ago. I believe he made a torrent later on, but I am not sure it is still alive anymore.

He even had them classified by maker, so you shouldn't have any problem getting to play the classics. However, you may have issues finding some of the more obscure titles, since most of the disks housing them decayed long ago.

>>15739542
He's on romhacking.net, he's apparently responsible for the Farland Story translations and contributed to the Rudra SNES translation too. Thanks for the info.

For anyone who's curious, I found these things:
For anyone else out there, try googling "hoot archive."
Archive.org also has quite a bit of stuff. I didn't know they did anything other than web backups.

>>15739456
Took me ten minutes to find it a pack with it.
Google PC98_Games [1813本]

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Some really old stuff out there.

Last I heard of the Can Can Bunny series they included a FtM transexual. Was this true, or were they pulling my leg?

>>15739615
I only know one of the later Pia Carrot games had a MtF trans, though by the time the screwing scenes start, she already underwent the operation.

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>>15743323
Yes, you are correct. I got the game wrong. Can Can Bunny died with the Sega Saturn. Never played Pia Carrot. Was it any good, or just an acceptable moege?

>>15743668
>Never played Pia Carrot. Was it any good, or just an acceptable moege?
Well this guy seems to think it's SUPER PROFOUND

http://www.honestgamers.com/3681/pc-fx/welcome-to-pia-carrot/review.html

But seriously, don't know whether you'll call it a moege, but it's just a "good for its time period" thing

>>15687150

I think the cutoff should be the fact that you have to manage timing of some sorts whether it be dates or events on a calendar and relationship levels in a way that interacts with other girls in the game, and not in a shallow way where if you choose X decisions or such, the story magically allows you to stay ignorant of every other girl but the one you choose.

Stats management in my opinion can give a dating sim more depth, but it can be done really lazily and implemented badly. Clearly, a lot of early dating sims certainly do this but Enterbrain in not using that kind of system for their dating sims proves it's not an essential part of the genre.

>>15745742
Huh. I knew it was popular back in the day, but I didn't think it was THAT good. Maybe I will give it a shot.

Since we are talking about old games, anybody here remembers the ending for DiviDead? I remember not understanding a single thing about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJVP7ovl1Mw

>>15758154
>I remember not understanding a single thing about it.
I mean, supposedly it was pretty confusingly written in the JP version too, but it really doesn't help that the English translation is a pile of shit

>>15761191
Seems like the person who translated that will try to do more PC98 games.

>>15762055
That art style oddly reminds me of Ranma 1/2...

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>>15762205
The character designer of the Ranma 1/2 anime and one of the animators for the OVAs worked at MIN/Sogna.

>>15763095

There is so much good looking PC98 era shit I have never and probably will never play.

>>15763106
What's stopping you? Everything is at arm's reach these days. Do what we did in our teenage years and bumble around until you get to the sexy parts. You might actually end up learning japanese in the process.

>>15762344
I'm kind of cynical but if he's going to do a 100 PC-98 games on a budget of $50 per month, it probably isn't going to be ones like the ELF games

>>15765424
There are a bunch of short porno games that are fairly fun. If he really is going for those, he should be able to churn out several withou much of an issue.

I seem to recall that ELF used to have an specialized engine for their games, and even took the chinese several months to finish translating the games.

No way he can find the tools the chinese used after all this time, but there is always hope.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/update-8-31-16-6658582
A update

>>15763095
It certainly fits the style of the anime adaptations of Rumiko's work. /a/ is doing a stream for Urusei Yatsura 35th anniversery that gets linked on /jp/ now and then, so that's nice timing.

>>15775719
He's up to $142 a month. I hope the number keeps going up. Maybe he should consider stretch goals for certain thresholds to drum up more interest.

>>15775719
Anybody check his Japanese to see if he actually knows it?