エロゲスレ/Untranslated VN General

The number of views for various countdown videos really makes me amazed at just how popular Yuzusoft is.

Natsu Ecchi countdown movie https://youtu.be/FPHNWOZyxKQ is at 47 views.
Tsumikoi countdown movie https://youtu.be/CnGjOOtNbMM is at 224 views.
Kimi to Yumemishi countdown movie https://youtu.be/vVLPpl7lRYM is at 360 views.

Floral Flowlove countdown movie https://youtu.be/Bagt1ANVdBw is at 3,469 views.
Senren Banka countdown movie https://youtu.be/ZAxv1EuQvPg is at 16,070 views.

Saga Planets and Yuzusoft are completely in a different league compared to all the others but Yuzu still has four times more views than all the others combined.

>>15622191
I've been reading nothing but good things about 千恋＊万花.

>>15622283
They spend a lot of money on marketing.

>>15622350
Yeah, Akihabara was full of it. Pretty much every shop with eroge had Senren Banka ads.

>>15622350
But it means they have those money to spend.
If their games were not that popular in the first place they'll have no way to market them like that.

I wish I could contribute to their success...

So, Senren Banka and Floral Flowlove.

Which is the better game?

>>15622411
I wouldn't know because I wouldn't touch floral flowlove

>>15622411
Senren Banka has Hoshino so it's automatically better.

>>15622411
So, generic moeshit and generic moeshit.

Which is the better game?

>>15622532
Better than chuunishit for 13 year olds.

>>15622532
I'd say generic moeshit.

>>15622545
Seesh, chuuni games are for intelectual people who capable to take fictional information seriously.

>>15622191
Waiting for the great all ages era

http://www.getchu.com/pc/salesranking201607.html

The top is as expected dominated by Senren Banka, Amatsutsumi and Floral Flowlove.
Otome Domain is still doing great in July.

Rewrite+ position is abysmal even for the repack, especially with an anime airing. No wonder it's not uploaded yet.

>>15622596
Key isn't relevant and probably will never be relevant again. Anime and visual novels have moved on from last decade.

>>15622596
>カスタムメイド3D2＋ ACT.2

I wish I could like this game but I'm not a cuck.

>>15622649
No wonder they going full EOP pander.

>bitch
my favorite word I love VA say, no matter the context

>>15617591
Consider me interested.
What's the circle name?

>>15622669
It allows them to sell games without actually making new ones and with their unbelievable slow schedule for new releases they probably have no chance of surviving in the current eroge/galge market anyway.

>>15622649
Harmonia was planned for 2015 and it's not released yet and even then it's a small kinetic novel.
Angel Beats was planned to have six parts and there is no new info after the release of the first one.
They are still trying to live off Rewrite which is now freaking five years old.

No wonder they lost all the relevance.

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>You will never have your own sword-loli wife
I don't know how to continue from this.

>>15622899
At this point I'm not even sure Key plans on releasing a full-fledged VN ever again

Anyone here got a C;C 100% save file?
I 100%'d it on my ps4 but I want to have a save on PC as well

Thanks

>>15623152
That's kinda unfortunate. I want to see something with Na-Ga's designs/illustrations again. He is really good.
It's too bad that his talent is wasted with a company that doesn't release anything notable.

>>15623152
Don't know if it's true, but VA might be diverting resources into SagaPla and tone work's. The latter's newest game seems to be trying hard to be 癒し系 and SoL drama, we'll see how it goes
Key seems to be riding on their previous works atm, ye. Maybe waiting out for more resources before trying a new writer/artist? I dunno, they seem content with where they're at atm

>>15623223
>The latter's newest game seems to be trying hard to be 癒し系 and SoL drama
It is? I figured it would be more in hoshiori's line of no drama with some moving moments here and there.

>>15622649
Tsukihime remake will strike back, if it ever gets released.

is there a true route in Senren Banka or can I just read best girl's route (Murasame)?

>>15623223
Hinoue Itaru is certainly not content with how things are there. She complains on twitter from time to time and deletes tweets later:
http://jin115.com/archives/52130117.html
http://jin115.com/archives/52096940.html

Some of those are pretty worrisome though.

>>15623246
No true route. Read best girl's route as you please

>>15623246
That's not how you spell Mako.

>>15622477
Yeah I didn't follow it closely enough before its release to know that. It was a pleasant surprise once I started going through the game.

>>15623260
That doesn't sound good. Maybe VisualArts now really focuses on their other brands.

>>15623260
She also sounds very depressed

>>15623020
>You will never have your own [...] loli wife
Ah, what would I be without eroge.

>>15623279
After the maeda's health problems probably they're seeing key as a hopeless case now.

>>15623020
Thank god for that. I prefer my women to have boobs.

>>15622596
It's been the top game on amazon for a few days straight, not bad for a rerelease.

https://twitter.com/moogy0/status/760253914247639040

>>15623262
Not him, does Koharu also have a route?

>>15623374
Why are you posting your own tweets here?

>>15623260
Suicide when

story-wise yoshino's route is so freaking bland, it's pretty much just about yoshino and ichaicha with her that's it, they solve the curse problem easily without knowing what it actually is, what happened, and doesn't go into details like rena's route. if I remember correctly her route is also 1 whole chapter shorter than rena's.

>>15623260
>毎日19円の豆腐食ってる生活だぜ！
Is tofu really that cheap? What the fuck.

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>>15623386
It's possible to find it this cheap.
I wouldn't count on it being good though.

>>15623232
I dunno, maybe you're right about that. It's a game about the passage of time I think, so.
>>15623260
Well Na-Ga took over for AB!, and there seems to be little to no production work going on, so that all comes into play. Also PMS heh
>>15623294
Incidentally, his twitter was just active recently.
>>15623399
ONLY NUTRIENT IMPORTANT DESU

>>15623384
Because if the game has a real main heroine, it's her, it's about the one route that gives a shit about the plot properly.

>>15623218
https://mega.nz/#!gcgXHA5S!M3Eubl4HXgyfHvulyX4TbjxAGaCvcK5q67m9RU14EJw

>>15623411
Yeah, Maeda Jun is quite active with his twitter lately after being discharged from the hospital.
There is some hope but I guess from the business point of view it's quite hard to use him as a scenario writer now. There is always a quite high possibility of his work becoming a posthumous work with the whole range of possible grim consequences on the team and even investment itself.

>>15623336

She has boobs. Kinda. You see it the first time in that bath CG.
I'm still not sure if I want to do her route or not though. Yuzusoft really has a tendency to make characters worse in their route than they were in common I feel. Or at least one of the authors. Maybe the guy who wrote Meguru in Sanoba Witch also did Mako in Senren Banka. Maybe. It just feels so similar. You have a girl that likes to tease the MC to an extend is confident and all. And once you enter the route it's just "dokidoki" shyness for 99%, and the "old" character almost disappears and only shows in rare occasions just to immediately disappear again.

Well, I'll see. So far I only know that I won't be doing Rena's route for sure. She ain't a bad character, I quite like her, but no. Just.. no.

>>15623451
>You have a girl that likes to tease the MC to an extend is confident and all. And once you enter the route it's just "dokidoki" shyness for 99%, and the "old" character almost disappears and only shows in rare occasions just to immediately disappear again.
I fucking hate this and I would sucker punch every writer who has ever done this.

By the way this reminds me that Yune from Amairo did the exact opposite of this.

>>15623451
Meguru almost explodes when MC holds her hand in the movie though (this is still in the common route). I haven't seen what's in her route but that doesn't sound very out of character.

Rena is a dropped at the design stage character. Yes, writing, but I ain't looking at THAT for extended periods of time.

>>15623483

Meguru isn't out of character in her route. Which is why I liked it. You basically just get to see what's behind her shell, so to speak. It makes sense story-wise. Still doesn't change that Meguru in common is mostly VERY different from how she is in her route, and that's.. not necessarily that good.

Personally I still enjoyed the route a lot though, as I don't mind a change towards the "worse" to an extend. Because that kind of thing is completely natural when you get to know someone more.
Let's say Meguru would've worn her glasses all the time, I would've never bothering with her route. I just don't like "megane girls". But as it was, I didn't mind. I didn't like it, or preferred it, but it doesn't change who she is, right? I suppose you could call it somewhat more realistic that way.
On the other hand it also means that while I really enjoyed Meguru's route (with a few exception like the Protag repeating the "I'm sooo happy!!!!!!!!!!!111elf" and "this bittersweet taste!!!!" or whatever way too often), I wouldn't consider her as one of my favorite heroines of "recent" eroge I read. A bit weird maybe.

>>15623465
>A gentle, kind girl who is good at looking after household chores. Speaks in polite form all the time and often asks people close to her to be her master.
>Very mature and calm, this character may seem like an ideal-Japanese-woman (Yamato Nadeshiko) type character, but don’t be fooled; Yune is actually a hardcore sadist, who loves watching the blushing faces of not only Tooru, but the other heroines as well.
Holy fuck that sounds like my ideal girl. I have to play this.

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone could remind me of a visual novel. It was originally released as all ages and then was released with an h-version

Are we ever going to get another kamige again or was Sakura no Uta the industry's last gasp?

>>15623663
You're acting like SnU was 10 years ago.

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For a moege this game sure has a lot of real fuckin' assholes

Do I get to bang miss Red Bean in アマツミ?

>>15623679
Because it goes all full shitty drama once you hit a route, for no fucking reason and based on four short conflict scenes in a row in the common route.

>>15623688
I don't mind, at this point I really just want to fuck these hotties.

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Oh snap.

>>15623679
Why are you posting EOP shit here?

Why do you guy's only translate really shitty disposable media? Japan has some of the best literature in the world, most which has remained untranslated. Not trolling, genuinely interested

>>15623820
None of us are interested in translating since westerners are retarded scum. Wrong thread?

>>15623820
Translating the "best media" is really freaking hard, particularly if you want to maintain all of the original's meaning and depth. If you translate "disposable" media somewhat poorly, whatever, it's not a big loss. But translating "the best literature"? You do that poorly and you've butchered a work of art. So, people are far less likely to do that. Only people with a lot of talent, skill, experience, and plain writing ability are equipped to translate "the best literature" properly and those are extremely few in number.

>>15623820
Ask in the correct thread >>15612200

>>15623631
send help

>>15623837
>That list of confirmed kusoge in the OP

>>15623840
Sengoku Koihime?

Where to buy seconhands in Akiba? I want a game but have very limited amount of money so full price is a bit too much.

>>15623887
Hey! Amagami is good!

>>15623957
Really? It should take you under 30 seconds to find a second hand store in Akiba that sells eroge

>>15623957
Sofmap AM, Sofmap Akiba 1, Sofmap Akiba 2, Trader 1, Trader 2, Trader 3, Medio, Toranoana AB, Lammtarra, Getchu, Melonbooks 1, Melonbooks 2 etc.

>>15623957
Try not being poor and getting a proper job

>>15624069
Are you implying that getting a job makes you not poor, because most people who do work are also poor

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Dropped.

>>15624283
Isn't this about loli sword? What is this cow doing here?

>>15624311
Being better than snarky loli sword.

>>15624283

I really don't understand why Yuzusoft punches these scenes into their eroge. They are unneeded. It's a fucking eroge. You don't need to-love ru ecchi moments.

But at least it got better. Noble Works introduced most girls with a fucking panty-shot in some of the dumbest ways possible. One exception or so. But every now and then, they still pull this one. And then they act is another one comes, but joke about it and don't let it happen. It's so.. weird.

But well, to be fair.. this isn't just Yuzusoft either. But it somehow feels like they really add this stuff in REALLY dumb ways.. or perhaps I'm just not reading the eroge which do it even dumber.

>>15624311

Not really, from the common route the miko and ninja feel like the main heroines. Sword is sometimes there, sometimes not, it's kinda weird. But well, it's a sword.. ghost.. thingy. The cow is barely even there.

>>15624330

You jest.

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>>15624395
Having ecchi scenes makes sense to me, given that these games are practically selling sexy girls to a lot of people. Showing off how attractive/sexy the characters are before the actual sex begins makes sense in this context. It's demoing the merchandise.

>>15624445

Pretty sure you can do it better than in clichéd shounen manga ways. Even Senren Banka has relatively fine sorta lewd scenes before any sex happens.

Also sexual tension is probably something better to build than just flatout "ey look, he got his face in huge titts cause they crashed into each other in a really dumb way!!!". You know, sorta blueballing, but not really, because later on you actually get the real thing.

>>15624508
what is it you prefer then, dear anon? A girl landing on a guys nuts when he's sitting on the floor already and then rubbing her backside all over it?

>>15624395
You're literally reading ecchi shounen manga with porn...

>>15624521

You don't have to force things like that. The scene with Mako where you see them just sitting close and eat some fish is good enough to build some tension. There are a few more scenes with her that built sexual tension without anything actually visibly super lewd going on. (well, accidents are usually not building sexual tension anyway.. they are an accident after all)
If you want to actually be really lewd, it has things like a simple bath scene, where the girls talk among themselves. That works fine.

>>15624557

The point is that ecchi shounen manga pull certain things because they cannot actually portray sex. So instead of having a scene with tit-sucking, you just get the guy falling onto the tits. Same for the crotch.
But if you can actually do whatever you want, because it's an adult only work anyway, these things.. make little sense.

>>15624621
I think what you're misunderstanding is that people LIKE those ecchi scenes... check out our /e/ board here, even.

>>15624633

I don't think /e/ actually has many scenes with a dude in a weird situation with a girl. The board is more about suggestive/lewd images of girls.. I think.

But anyway, I can see that some people like it. Otherwise they wouldn't be used.. I'd hope. I'm sure there's even an eroge completely about "accidents".. I think I've heard about something like that before.

>>15622191
Holy shit, senren banka is actually really good, I thought it was just the meme game of the month, but this seriously might be the best vn I have read in 3 or 4 months.

>>15624741
>this seriously might be the best vn I have read in 3 or 4 months.
What's the competition?

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>>15624521
>A girl landing on a guys nuts when he's sitting on the floor already and then rubbing her backside all over it?
close

>mad because an anime game uses anime tropes

>>15624395
>The cow is barely even there.
Might pick up.

Urara is best Doshikuro.

Whoever recommended this game last thread, or the thread before, is a hero.

Rec's for moege, or nukige with imouto route and good art?

Really liked Evenicle.
How does it compare to Rance Quest gameplay wise?

>>15624445
Just dropping by to say Kana is really hot and her route didn't do her justice at all.

>>15625107
I'm pretty sure I'm in Ichou's route right now (just past the scene where they actually had sex).
Does Urara actually get better? I couldn't stand her voice and her attitude.

>>15625265
They'll stick in the process of reading eventually.

>>15625275

Fucking agreed.

It's really too bad, I was looking forward to hers the most but it was incredibly meh. Every other route except for onee-chan was significantly better imo.

I hope the next Silky's game is in the same setting

>>15625298
I've learrnt a few words like 大人気 and 日記. But most of the time it's like "I saw that earlier. The fuck did it mean again?"

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>>15623724
Best girl hands down.

>>15625284
It takes a while, but yeah.

>>15625312
After repeating that question for ten times for each word you'll remember it. Don't worry and don't force yourself too much.

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Akatoki started pretty strong. I loved the prologue, and was really looking forward to how the relationship between the 2 friends and the protag would develop---then the heroines appeared...walking tropes instantly attached to the protag for no apparent reason, they don't even bother to explain why the protag instantly gets recruited into the elite force despite supposedly being terrible, and of course they wrote the friends out of the story because they couldn't be bothered to develop them as characters any further...

At least Kukuriku-sama is around to brighten my day.

>>15625107
I'm glad that you are enjoying it, As I said its actually a pretty good game but most of people avoid it just because of its title.

>>15625440
I didn't know that Blond haired, blue eyed greys existed.

>>15625445
Aye. I started reading it a few days ago, and I'm an extremely slow reader (because I'm shit at Japanese), so I haven't made as much progress as I wish I had, but it's a really enjoyable VN. I'm wondering what the chuuni girls route is going to be like, now.

I'm surprised that it's not a well-liked title.

>>15625275
Double agreed. At least I got some great faps.

>>15625464
Hitler may have lost the war, but he conquered the stars.

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>>15623417
Thank you, based anon

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>>15623992
>Amagami is good
Right on, anon!

>>15623992
GOAT in my heart

>>15625721
Stuff like this is much more erotic than accidental titty grabs or MC falling and accidentally pulling down a girl's skirt.

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>>15625750
What about belly licking?

>>15625796
Please stop, my dick can only get so hard.

>>15625796
I want to lick

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Wasn't expecting that second opening in アマツツミ

>>15625796
>>15625838
>>15625843
>>15625727

Sadly some shit posters only see that it's console only so they automatically call it shit without even trying it. Photokano was a huge step down sadly (but still good), because the girls were too perfect and the conflicts kind of trivial. Tomoe was the best route in how it blended conflict with the theme of photography, that last scene where mc uses the sound of the shutter to give Tomoe courage, fucking art. I have a feeling Reco Love will be the same.

Anyways, Amagami is goat you can't seriously say you love galge and not have played it.

>>15626199
The anime is better.

>>15626199
I think its because photokano didn't have that sprinkle of darkness and conflict like amagami did. It did through the routes, but they felt out of place and random.
It was repetitive and lacked connecting the characters together.

The funnest stuff were the after school dates, and how it felt like an actual game, not writing.

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Done with Mako in Senren Banka. She was cute.

pro: Date(s), "normal" stuff, some of the music (even the sex-scene music is actually really good..)
cons: Story, lack of her teasing and such

The story was really on a level, where I'm wondering why they even bothered. Common wasn't nearly as bad. It's just one shitty thing they go on and on about, which is dumb. (they even outright state in the epilogue it was never an actual problem..)
While that can be still somewhat accepted, the.. "climax".. was just ridiculous. Holy crap. That car. That randomness. That solution. I just don't..

But. Mako is cute. Should've really done more with the relationship and not focused on the silly plot nobody cares about and was WAY overstaying its welcome.
Now then, another route or not...

>>15626222
>I think its because photokano didn't have that sprinkle of darkness and conflict like amagami did.

I agree 100%, photo kano needed a hint of darkness. The mc feeling like he was not good enough for haruka, the faceless students talking badly of mc, Nonoka being jelous of haruka, tomoe being an outcast, and the secret between mc and his sister were all steps in right direction but were either resolved quickly, never actually a problems, or was more sad than dark. The secret between mc and his sister was never even a problem, all Nonoka does about her jelously issues is run away, and mc never gets talk badly about after haruka defends him. Tomoe was the only character that had a problem that was constant throughout, and her situation was more genuinely sad than a "conflict". It's not as if she was bullied. PhotoKano was too clean, things should have gotten dirty between Nonoka and Haruka, MC should have kept getting bullied, or maybe haruka's friends could have told her that she needed to choose MC or their friendship. It was too happy go lucky, honestly it was too real, people actually solved conflicts quickly with words and rather quite without much quarrel.

PK needed drama.

Is there a recommended route order for C;C or is there an enforced route order?

>>15626268
> lack of her teasing
But that was the best part about her ;_;
Mako was my only reason to be intersted in this game, now I don't have a reason to waste my time with it, thanks.

>>15626268
No teasing? Thats usually the best part of older sister types, also in the start she makes fun of MC for staring at her, was that the extent of her teasing?

Doing decent in my nip studies,

What is the agreed upon most retard easy to read VN out there?

Can someone explain why Yuzusoft games are so popular and so well-received by fans? I'm playing Senren Banka and this just seems like a completely generic/mediocre moege

>>15626593
anything by light

>>15626593
Ask DJT. This isn't a beginner help thread.

>>15626599
People have bad taste

>>15626599
Do you just hate moege in general or something? If so you won't like Yuzusoft titles. Their fans like generic/mediocre moege so that's what they make.

>>15626599
High production value and cute girls. You don't really need anything else unless you're trying to pretend that you aren't playing anime porn games.

>>15626608

But it is a VN thread you dense nigger.

>>15626614
This is false
Tons of games have cute girls and don't sell as well. The market is oversaturated with cuteness.

>>15626599
Marketing, and yes most of the work is generic dull shit.

At least right after the intro

>>15626204
Yeah just a tad

>>15626616
>newfag who doesn't know Japanese
>going around calling people niggers in /jp/
Absolute cancer.

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>>15626593
Crayon Tulip.

>>15626599
Exactly what are you looking for? It had cute girls, funny scenes, is more than just sol, the pacing is good, so far there has not been a scene I wanted to skip. It's no SnU but it's pretty good.

>>15626646
Usually when two people read a moege, and one likes it while the other doesn't, the difference is that one thinks it was funny whereas the other did not. That kills the game.

>>15626629
Next time don't spread the cancer by responding, just report and ignore.

>>15626654
Or the other one has read a shit ton of VNs and wants to punch his face after seeing the same boke/tsukkomi get recycled VN after VN

also
>SoL
>10 minutes prepping/talking about dinner/eating
>30 seconds of cute flirting
KILL ME

>>15626654
If you did not think the breast touching scene with murasame was funny, you need to find a new hobby.

>>15626713
Well there's two things about your post. One, if someone is wanting to punch his face after seeing recycled content, then that means they didn't find it funny, right? Same thing I said. Two, I find it ironic that you're lamenting the lack of "cute flirting", when the cute flirting in moege is almost invariably just as recycled as the comedy.
>>15626722
I just read a moege and laughed really hard at 1 scene, but barely even chuckled throughout the rest of the common route. Food for thought.

>>15626599
What else did you expect? It is very clearly marketed as a moege, were you expecting fucking Muramasa out of it?

>>15626734
>were you expecting fucking Muramasa out of it?
I don't get all the posts like this.
Some moege are well written and high quality, like Lovely Cation 2. Someone can be disappointed with a moege and not be some anti-Moege chuutard.

>>15626713
>reads moege
>get angry when it's moege

I will never understand chuunifags.

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Is Boku to Koi Suru Ponkotsu Akuma not completely out, or is the version on ab an all ages version?

It ending at the scene where you're talking to sensei, and there was only one lewd scene with the girls together

>>15626751
I hope >>15626745 makes you feel dumb

>>15625254
Hard to compare. Similar but the one major difference is that you have 5 party members only in Evenicle and there is no real grinding while Quest not only has grinding but has like 30+ party members

Play Rance VI

>>15626729
Yes, I agree.
Except moege should be about cute moe flirting, or at least primarily that.

I wouldn't go to a standup comedy show to watch them lift weight and talk about nutrition.

>>15626722
This is fucking retarded. There are plenty of eroge out there that are a level above your typical shitty ecchi anime. Just because you have no standards does not give you the right to assume that nobody else has standards.

Yes, there are less eroge like Sakura no Uta and Muramasa than there are eroge like Senren Banka. But I have every right to stick around for the former.

>>15626781
The thing is, moege is, as judging from the "moe" aspect of the name, about getting the reader to fall in love, or otherwise you know 燃え about the girls. It's Japanese slang, you know what it means. That is accomplished in many ways, and cute flirting is just one way, and not necessarily a big one at that. I would argue general character interaction and character development is more important to feel moe than just "cute flirting". I would say, cute flirting at times is a nice pay off, but is definitely not something that should be the focus at all.

I think the obsession with icha is kind of like kids always wanting to eat dessert. Yeah, it sounds nice, but when you actually start eating dessert 24/7 with no meat and potatoes you won't have a good time.

Its funny, all companies need to do is grab a good LN writer.

LN authors actually have to compete against other writers, or have a base, and go through a whole screening process before they get their shit released. Just talking about the relevant ones like dengeki or GA.

>>15626784
No one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to read senren banka. I am lucky enough to be able to enjoy both. Maybe you will feel more at home on /lit/.

>>15626784
The popularity of Senren Banka and Yuzusoft in general indicates quite clearly what a majority of eroge consumers prefer. And it's on a level of typical silly ecchi anime. I prefer it too.

>>15626816
Yeah, because eroge writers are picked up off the street, or are the ramen delivery boys who stick around to make an extra buck some nights

>>15626809
I know, but I was referring when authors build up a good 10 minutes of SoL and gets to a good shuraba scene or icha scene and only do a few seconds of it and suddenly next day.

Not to mention
>sex before kiss scenes

Its like you are implying they even do moe in generic moege

>>15626809
>燃え
You used the wrong word there. 燃え is used for a coolness feeling from chuuni games.
A cuteness feeling you get from moege is 萌え.

>>15626822
> it's on a level of typical silly ecchi anime
With the added bonus of going after the girl you want to

>>15626838
They're more or less interchangeable since it's a pun off both of them.

>>15626745
>Lovely Cation 2
Is the second better than the first? The first LxC wasn't that good and filled with forced drama, at least in the route I read.

Aokana and Daitoshokan are probably the two moege I've enjoyed most the past few years. Yuzusoft titles don't even rank for me.

>>15626816
Most of LNs are shit, good LN writers are minority. No different than VNs.

>>15626822
It was said at the start of this thread but I think a big part of the popularity is due to the high percentage of budget that Yuzusoft dedicates to marketing, and making the game attractive (cute art, 1080p version). Saga Planets is mostly riding on Yuzusoft's marketing since they're doing joint marketing campaigns and it has helped their popularity a lot.

>>15626835
>sex before kiss scenes
Is there any game that follows the proper order? Like kissing first, then a few scenes with petting, and then sex? I'm reading LxC2 and was extremely disappointed when Seine and MC fuck without even kissing first. All that dating and buildup in the beginning and then they just throw it all away.

>>15626845
>Is the second better than the first?
Yes and said forced drama is almost non-existent.

>>15626823
They are never picked up though? They start their own doujin in their close friend circle, one guy wanted to do his shitty writing and the other one do shitty deving.

most of these guys have been in the circle since the 90s, and new ones are lucky to even make it out alive.

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What's the consensus on 千恋＊万花? Is it good?

>>15626822
Not the guy you've been talking to, but I kind of find that a bit sad that you say you prefer that kind of eroge over something like SnU or Muramasa. I say this as someone who enjoys all kinds of eroge. Yeah, I can throughly enjoy the $10 steak I picked up at Wal-Mart, but I would never say I enjoy it more than the $50 steak I got at some popular steakhouse. That's just retarded in my eyes. But to each their own I guess.

>>15626857
>Is there any game that follows the proper order? Like kissing first
This is pretty weird, even if you're having a once stand sex-only night with someone the first thing you do is kissing.

>>15626857
>any game that follows the proper order?
No, welcome to ero "throw all the character development to the trash" ge.

Hatsukoi 1/1 actually did that though, like whole season wide gaps before development.

writing was absolute shit though

>>15626734
Not that guy but I'm expecting fucking murasame out of it.

>>15626857
>Like kissing first, then a few scenes with petting, and then sex?
No, best your going to get is a Kiss scene and the a sex scene.

>>15626869
> I say this as someone who enjoys all kinds of eroge.
I don't think you do. If you did you'd enjoy both kinds equally in a different way depending on what you're expecting from it. Which is fine, we all have different tastes, you don't enjoy moege as much. I enjoy both scenarioge and moege depending on my mood, I often alternate between the two, but I just can't enjoy chuunige no matter how hard I try.

I want the industry to die and be reborn as an all ages.

>>15626845
I greatly preferred LC2 to LC1. I read 2 routes of each (Sera/Aya -> Seine/Wakoto) and I considered both LC1 routes pretty bad but considered Seine's route incredible and Wakoto's pretty good. I read Daitoshokan too but they're completely different styles so I hesitate to recommend it as being similar to Daito. Basically, the writer of LC2 worked somewhat hard to develop a "real" relationship that's genuinely meaningful. Whether it was successful or not is up for debate but in my opinion it resulted in a game that's on a whole nother playing field than most moege with harem casts and comedy common routes.

It has one fatal flaw in my opinion, though. One, the protagonist is a blank slate. Blanker than blank. Girl asks MC about himself, the scene fads to black before he answers and time-skips til he's done. He does significant things, which is how the relationships end up feeling meaningful, but conversations are dominated by the female characters, unlike Daitoshokan for instance. The number of H scenes is questionable but since I found both girls incredibly hot I wasn't bothered.

We get it guys, you don't enjoy things. Can you let other people enjoy things you don't enjoy without the victim complex? Show me on the doll where the moege touched you.

>>15626822
Maybe I'd be more OK with it if I haven't watched literally hundreds of anime with wacky scenes involving the protagonist touching a girl's tits, falling face first into her crotch, or walking in on her bathing or changing clothes.

The point is that this stuff gets fucking old, and this is coming from someone who isn't completely adverse to moe. I just want my moege to actually be good.

>>15626865
It depends, the quality of the different routes (different writers) varies greatly.

>>15626891
Well I don't enjoy them equally, but I do enjoy them, hence the analogy I made. I've spent most of my free time the last few days reading アマツツミ, and I've been enjoying it a decent amount, so to say I don't enjoy generic moege would be a lie. I enjoy both, but the high I get from reading a truly well done scenarioge is much higher than the one from a generic moege.

>>15626899
Moege moeta my brain cells.

>>15626909
I think what makes it worse is that it's drawn out even more in VNs. Harem anime can be pretty short, around maybe 6 hours, but moege can last up to 30 hours. It's a long time to be exposed to generic cliches, unlikable girls, and bad writing, so I tend to be a lot more strict when judging moege.

>>15626909
I understand you anon. The removal of shitty cliche scenes like this would make moege a lot better.

>>15626922
and 25 of those hours are everyday activities tier.
not even slice of life, its just life.

can't they get good writers to balance it?

>>15626909
So are you completely disregarden Senren because of that one scene at the start?

>>15626934
>good writing would make novels better
What a tweeest

>>15626934
Man bumping into a girl that is late for school with toast in her mouth then having her fall panties first into your face as you grab her tits is sacrosanct. You jusy can't remove it, that's heresy. Might as well remove hotsprings and beach scenes while we are at it.

why the need of cliche scenes when you can just make an alpha mc that doesn't need luck bullshit?

its that simple

>>15626950
You think it'd be obvious, but from what a lot of anons say here, there are people who actually enjoy this shitty writing.

I love bad moege

>>15626958
I think the problem is some people get triggered by those scenes even though they are typically omages to other works, or time honoured traditions.

>>15626965
so you like moege?

>>15626942
It's not even just the Murasame scene, there's >>15624283 too and probably more that I haven't gotten to yet since I only just started chapter 3.

I don't hate the game because of it, but it certainly makes it a lot worse.

It's even stupider because unlike ToLoveRu, which can't show actual porn because it was/is a shounen manga, Senren Banka is an EROGE. It doesn't need this childish shit. It can show them having sex instead like real human beings do. If they expect me to pop a boner over this shit when there's sex scenes ahead then Yuzusoft has no idea what they're doing.

>>15626959
So what do you suggest, wait 3-4 months for the next game you deem worthy for us to play and cover our eyes and ears to all else? Or reread SnU for the third time?

I feel like most of what people don't like about eroge can be traced back to the fact that people pay for eroge by the hour.

>>15626978
Keep reading and keep getting laughed at, it's the way of life

>>15626978
No not at all, I've been saying this whole time that I'm able to enjoy essentially all eroge. What astounds me is that some people like these poorly written parts of them. I have zero problems with people liking moege as a whole, because as I've been saying, I like them too. I just feel they'd be better off without a lot of these cliches.

>>15626971
so you are saying the scene would be better written if she had fallen on his dick and her hips suddenly went out of control and MC ejaculates i side of her?

I agree, missed opportunity there yuzu.

>>15627001
Not him but that's retarded too. Can't tell if you're trolling or just being intentionally obtuse.

>>15626970
Yes, the only reason I learned nip is to deflower qt animu moege girls

I didn't mind the Murasame scene much as it's pretty quick and isn't an accident cliche.

Falling on top of a pair of melons is tired and needs to die though.

>>15627016
I mostly agree. There are other things I learn Japanese for but the prospect of fucking the shit out of cute-as-hell VN heroines is one of the biggest motivators.

>>15627018
Traditions need be respected.

>>15627018
I dunno about other people, but Lena's "girl finds porn, oh ma gawsh kyaa" scene had me laughing hard.

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>>15626865
>>15627018
Murasame is best girl

>>15626910
>>15627063
So hers is one of the better routes?

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>>15627072
Her's was probably the best route, but I still have a couple left.

>>15627063
Picked up.

>>15623272
Neither did I, actually. I just really like the cover when they first appeared.

Only downloaded this on a whim because I saw certain CG. Not really sure how it will out either, haven't even finished the prologue yet.

>>15627098
Yeah I picked it up for certain CG too....just finally got to the parts where they show up. Obligatory Hotaru best girl.

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>>15627088
This got me too good

>>15626971
Is this like your 5th VN or something? These kind of scenes are all over eroge even the scenario focused ones. They're otaku culture at this point.

>>15626853
Marketing is not a silver bullet. It can't make popular something that has no marketing value to begin with.
And it's pretty obvious that Yuzusoft has money for the marketing because the are popular.
A lot of companies do have marketing campaigns that won't lose to Yuzu on scale or spent money but they often don't come even close in terms of popularity.

>>15627106
Oh shit, was it worth it? How long is it into the route?

>>15627072
It had a few issues. There's a few points which I felt either dragged on too much or were glossed over. Like with the issue of her being a sword spirit thingy: they find her body preserved for hundreds of years because lol magic, and then she just "moves" to the body like it was nothing in 2 or 3 lines. It's not until two entire chapters or so where they bring up the issues with this. Also, if you're the kind of person who despises heroines pushing the protagonist away constantly because "it would be better for you to forget about me" or similar, then you should know that she struggles with the fact that she's not a person until close to the end.

Though I guess that also brings me to the fact that I loved the relationship between her and the protagonist and the way their bond grows, they play off each other quite well. Murasame herself is also a very lovely girl.

In short, the plot side could have been much better, but the moe was top notch and ultimately that's what I wanted so I enjoyed it greatly.

>>15626869
>I can throughly enjoy the $10 steak I picked up at Wal-Mart, but I would never say I enjoy it more than the $50 steak I got at some popular steakhouse

Why? If the Wal-Mart steak was really more delicious for you personally than that other $50 steak then there is nothing wrong to admit it as is.

That's even more prominent with eroge because they have almost the same price no matter if it's Muramasa or Senren Banka. If you enjoy things like Muramasa more than Senren Banka that's fine. The other way around should be totally fine too.

>>15627164
I can't comment on whether it's worth it yet because I don't yet know what direction they're gonna go with it yet. I'm optimistic at the moment though. It's not far in but not close to the beginning either. Right beforehand >>15626069 this happens so it got me pretty pumped up to see how they handle it.

>>15627142
Actually I've read over 120.

I just have standards.

>>15627179
>Why?
Prolly because he doesn't

>>15627179
Yeah there really is nothing wrong with liking the other more, I suppose I just fail to understand it. To me it's sort of like saying "I like eroge with mediocre writing and cute girls over ones with great writing and cute girls."

>>15627188
This anon understands.

>>15627016
>deflower

I prefer used goods, thank you very much.

>>15626869
Money is not really a determining factor of quality. A better comparison would be someone enjoying their grandma's everyday average cooking more than a fancy restaurant dinner. They enjoyed this one too maybe but due to certain factors they prefer the common thing they eat often to it. Some might say what the hell, that shit is delicious and masterfully prepared, how can you enjoy that average home cooking more? But it happens.

>>15627194
Writing quality is a totally subjective metric to be honest.
The only thing that matters is if it is enjoyable or not.

>>15627194
>"I like eroge with mediocre writing and cute girls over ones with great writing and cute girls."
Thing is the girls are the decisive factor for a lot of people who play eroge. If someone didn't like the designs or personalities of the girls in say SnU much, they might enjoy some average moege witha a couple girls they really like more.

>>15627237
Well let me blow your friggin mind. These are novels. Thus, a large part of the girls comes from the writing. More than the art, even. If people were truly satisfied by art more than writing, well, there's literally a non-stop barrage of nukige with cute girl art. See how tolerable the writing is.

>>15627243
>These are novels

Did you purposely left out the VISUAL part?

>>15627250
>More than the art, even.
No he didn't.

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>>15626971
They don't expect you to pop a fucking boner every time someone falls on a girl. In eroge and even anime this is usually played for comedy and slight erotic tension, not for total boners.

>>15627250
God I've had this discussion a billion times. You're reading 30,000 - 50,000 lines of text for 30-50 hours. The process of reading is way more significant than the art because it's what you're doing practically the whole time. The visual aspect of VNs is simply less meaningful and relevant than the novel part. Visuals are nice, particularly for h-scenes, but they don't carry a VN and they certainly don't carry characters. A girl is more defined and more developed from the hours of text than she is from her tachie. You're right, girls are the decisive factor for a lot of people who play eroge. And it's precisely because of that that well-written eroge with thusly well-developed girls attract people. You don't see "hot nukige slut #4531" winning any character polls.

As I mentioned, try reading nukige with good art and bad writing. It's unbearable. The girls suck. Because what you're doing ultimately doing is reading a novel, not looking at a picture book, and what the girls are largely developed from is the writing, not the visuals.

>>15627284
I think the most important part are the VAs, I would be reading LNs all day otherwise.

>>15627284
Amen.

>>15627243
These are games. Erotic games.

>>15627243
The fuck does that have to do with my post? Let me make it simpler: Someone likes girls in random moege more than girls in a scenarioge. That someone likes said moege more than the scenarioge as a result. Are you too autistic to understand this?

>>15627296
Ah yes, games with the wildly fun gameplay of clicking to advance text tens of thousands of times.

>>15627284
Visuals are important too. A lot of people won't even come close to a game if they don't like visuals.
And it's not only for eroge. It's the same for ranobe too.

Lads, is Hanasaki any good?

I've kept putting it off, but Inori is right in my strikezone for heroines.

>>15627302
Anon delineated between vns with "mediocre writing" and vns with "great writing". You defended preferring mediocre writing because people decide VNs on girls. I responded by saying that vns with great writing have better girls due to their improved character development. Do you understand, now?
>>15627311
I simply said that visuals are less meaningful and relevant. Anyone who would argue against that is not something I consider worth listening to. They may as well be holding CTRL to look at CGs for all I'm concerned.

>>15627314
Pretty good moege, try it.

Kamige fags hate moe because it rehashes to many cliche and uses ecchi in porn games, which is somehow bad. Kamige hate masterpieces like amagami became no porn, which is somehow bad. Kamige fags FSN and Umineko because they are written by "meme writters" aka too popular and in english, which is somehow bad. kamige fags hate layline series because it's too shonen. Kamige fags hate kamige because they release once or twice a year, and can't even agree if it is or is not kamige.

Exactly what do kamige fags like?

>>15627284
>try reading nukige with good art and bad writing
Nukige are different because you read them almost for sex exclusively.
In case of moege you have a chance to enjoy life with a girl you like.

>>15627328
Arguing.

>>15627336
Shit I fell over when I read this.

>>15627320
>I responded by saying that vns with great writing have better girls due to their improved character development. Do you understand, now?

Thing is, character development is not a magical thing that makes girls good. If you don't like how a girl looks and acts you won't suddenly start liking her later unless she changes radically and this will only rarely happens. Also some moege also have decent writing in terms of girls and relationship even if they have shit for plot.

So you are wrong. Better writing does not imply better girls. Sometimes they are better, sometimes they aren't.

>>15627320
At least in akiba-kei visuals are more important because they are the first decision factor for a customer.
You might have a fucking masterpiece there but if no one reads it, it's totally useless and won't have any relevance or influence.

>>15627329
Nukige was basically just a catch-all for games with bad writing. There's plenty of nukige-cum-moege that fulfill the role of moege with the production values of a nukgie.
>>15627360
Seems like you've got the completely wrong idea about how characterization works and really everything you just talked about. It'd be tedious to teach you everything here so we can just agree to disagree.
>>15627361
I don't see what relevance and influence in the public has to do with anything.

>>15627361
This. Try plastering Akiba with adds for an eroge with Mob Psycho 100 art and see how well it does.

Art is the first crucial factor you need to not fuck up if you want someone to read your "amazing story", unless you're called Ryukishi007 or another well established brand. Hell I don't think even Ryukishi will sell shit these days.

>>15627360
>If you don't like how a girl looks and acts
You do realize like 95% of how she acts is infused in the text, right?

>>15627389
Is this some kind of "appeal to pleb"?
>>15627392
I only recognize actions if they are visible in tachie. Anything else is non-cnaon.

>>15627288
This, I don't even read manga because it doesn't have any voice.

>>15627398
I suppose there's a level of idiocy that just can't be reasoned with.

>>15627392
Yes. And it can be amazingly written and still be a shitgirl (for instance a character type you just don't like.)

>>15627371
No please, enlighten me. How can you say with such certainty that a more developed girl you hate is better than a less developed girl you like?

>>15627361
>At least in akiba-kei visuals are more important because they are the first decision factor for a customer.
It's kind of sad how otaku culture has become. You used to have quite a few doujin titles with poor art and poor production values hit it big in the earlier days of PC VNs. You just don't see that happen anymore.

>>15627336
This explains it.

>>15627371
Relevance and influence make things actually popular.
Popularity attracts people who like similar to the market.
Popularity, relevance and influence bring more similar things to the market.
It's an active selection process that even drives out of the market things that are unpopular and are too far from things that make the core of the market.

>>15627418
Well, most old art is trash so the difference really isn't that big.

>>15627422
I really don't see how that's relevant to the current discussion.
>>15627415
The idea is that one is significantly more likely to like a more developed girl than a less developed girl. So in a generic scenario about like a "mediocre game" vs a "well written game", it's generally safe to say people will like the well written games based on girls more than mediocre games based on girls.

>>15627418
People buy things from established brands that make stuff they enjoy, or writers, or VAs, or artists. The market was much younger and less saturated back then so people tried out new things even if they had bad art. Now there's no need to take that risk. Why buy some random doujin game that looks like shit instead of the moege from one of your favorite brands? Otaku don't see a reason to. However if you start off with good art people will give a chance to new brands. Look at Otome domain's success.

>>15627418
Yeah, market saturation is a scary thing. With the current amount of different games, ranobe, anime and other shit coming out you have to differentiate and select things somehow.
There is no way in hell someone could look through all the doujin games nowadays.

>>15627459
>There is no way in hell someone could look through all the doujin games nowadays.
Hadler is the hero we need, finding JQV for us

>>15627433
>more likely to
Exactly. It's simply more likely, not certain. Why are you surprised some people enjoy a random moege more than a better written game? It happens relatively often.

>>15627433
It's relevant because the discussion had begun with a lack of understanding about how people enjoy moege more than some abstract quality writing that is much less popular.
A lot of people who currently enjoy moege were attracted to the market by moege to begin with. Why they should enjoy something they have no interest in?

>>15627433
>one is significantly more likely to like a more developed girl than a less developed girl
Not really. A lot of emotions are based on simple emotional triggers.
Simple, easy to understand and easy to reason about is usually more likable than convoluted, overdeveloped with a lot of complicated parts.

>>15627569
Both are actually likable but again designs and basic personality traits are the main attractors.

Reco Love was delayed for 2 months, fucking shit.

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People really complained about this scene? It was less than 20 second and it didn't even result in a "HENTAI!!!!" punch to the face that pans up to the sky. Honestly it was a kind of refreshing take on such a staple scene. Also, holy fuck she is soft!

>>15626385
The route order is somewhat enforced.

To explain, the first time playing through the game you WILL get the common end, whatever delusional triggers you chose. After finishing the common end you can then enter individual heroine routes, which you can do in any order. However, there is a true end, and in order to be able to see it, you'll have to finish all of the heroine routes.

For the heroine routes, I recommend the order :
Uki > Hinae > Hana > Nono
The order of the routes is based on their relevance to the main plot.

What are the chances of Aquaplus making an 18+ version of uta2?

>>15627658
100%
I've threatened their 社長
You will see the announcement in september

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>>15627661
Send more anon, i NEED to see these boobs.

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Seriously if I was one of those people that bought the original utawarerumono I would be super pissed and feel betrayed. Twin slaves taught in the arts of pleasure, no porn. It's against human rights.

>>15627606
Shit sucks, but gives me more time to procrastinate on deciding how badly I want to rape my wallet.

>>15627702
Just fuck me if the preorder bonus and DLC are not shared over both version, I spent 4000+ on PK dlc alone.

>>15627707
Shit, I bought the BD Box of PhotoKano just for the codes.
Didn't bother watching any of it either.

>>15627715
it was shit fyi

Reco Love anons, which version do you plan on getting?

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>>15627661

>>15627677
As a fan of the original Utawarerumono who doesn't own any consoles I've felt betrayed for the past year.

Idk if it's the version I have or I'm somehow skipping the choices for the routes, but I'm only getting the harem scene in 僕と恋するポンコツアクマ。

is the version on nyaa not the correct one?

>>15627774
Did you download the すごいエッチ version?

>>15627827
I downloaded both すっごいえっち！ version and this one 僕と恋するポンコツアクマ。 + 予約特典マキシシングル + レーベル + イラスト

Didn't see any of these scenes shown here https://exhentai.org/g/857275/fe448b798f/ other than the first set with all the girls

>>15627774
>>15627861
Are you continuing on past the group scene in the bath?
Because the heroine routes branch out after that after the beach scenes.

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Her cuteness knows no bounds.

>>15627912
After the group bath scene I speak to sensei >>15626759
, look up in to the stars then white screen and the game ends, unless it's just crashing which is probably why

>>15627328
Who are these "kamige fags" even? Considering what seems to be the working defition of kamige (something moogy and pals hyped on Reddit and Twitter), I don't think being a kamige fag is a good idea.

Not to say you can't enjoy those "kamiges".

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So I went to a shitskin country for vacation, and it was to my great surprise it seems 壺 completely blocks some countries from even viewing it.

Exclusive browsers don't work either. After returning to the great U.S of A everything works fine now, even my rounin.

You can always count on Japan to be racist as fuck I guess, but at least not being stuck with this thread for VN discussion is pretty great I guess.
All the best to those that are.

>>15627973
>So I went to a shitskin country for vacation
>You can always count on Japan to be racist as fuck I guess
lol

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>>15627972
Gunparade March is the greatest kamige ever made.

>ナターシャ・ショジョビッチ
Really now?

>>15627740
Anyone who doesn't buy the 姉 version should be shot for bad taste.

>>15627740
The 妹 version. Bonuses for not having the disgusting gaijin cow too.

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>>15627740
I'm not grabbing either for now
Maybe after reviews are out, if it's good I can buy both versions.

I'll just replay amagami to fill in the void

>>15628147
God that font is hideous.

>>15628133
I'm buying the version that allows me to kill you.

>>15628113

Marry her and take her name. Will be fun.

>>15627272
picked up

>>15628113
I have Ukrainian last name that literally ends with チンコ. I guess I'll have a hard time at self-introductions if I'll ever go to Japan.

>>15628149
Autism

>>15628411
Does it start with ふにゃ?

Rewrite+?

>>15628319
Are you sure you want to read 20k lines about the subjectivity of equality when treating human lives and how society should still never tolerate such act under any circumstance before being able to do so?

Well, please look forward for it. Maybe at end of it you'll me able to say 「 ハッピーバースデイ、僕！」 a little better.

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Mikocon supports DRM now?

>>15628693
Probably butthurt that all the major releases are quickly uploaded nowadays so he couldn't profit from his jewish VIP scheme as much anymore.

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>>15627950
I smiled every time she appeared. The other 2 girls feel kinda dull by comparison.

>>15628819
Damn the sprites look bad compared to the CGs.

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>>15628824
She's one of the better looking one.

There are 2 characters with worse drawn sprite than her.

>>15628571
too deep didnt' reed

>>15628819
Mom and Mana are pretty dull, Kokoro is alright

>>15627972
Kamige is just a really good game. Sometimrs you read a game that was good, but not incredible. That's not a kamige. A kamige is the next level past good. Don't think too hard about it.

I finally gained enough confidence to play non-nukige in Japanese and started Hanasaki Workspring earlier today. Right off the bat I'm having enough fun that I know I'm going to be sad when it's over.

I imagine I'm having enjoying it more than I should given that at this point given that I probably don't even recognize what the common moege cliches are, but then, everybody starts somewhere.

>>15629157
But that's an NTR nukige.

>>15629181
I've heard it's a game for cuckolds but on the off chance I wasn't being memed on it'll leave that much more of an impression.

>>15629157
Why did you choose Cuckasaki Cuckspring?

Come on someone upload the Koihime Eiyuutan already, I want to see my favorite character again after 5-6 years.

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>>15629193
Inori's route definitely was memorable.

>>15629157
I don't necessarily think getting tired of moege is so much about recognizing moege cliches as it is, just gradually coming to realize how long-winded VNs are in general and losing one's tolerance for sitting through a boring common route. This means that, as long as you pick good, funny moege you won't really get tired of them, but at the same time your standards for what's entertaining will rise as you become aware of how tediously long common routes can be.

>>15629125

It's games that are very well received by a lot of people. (i.e. not JUST popular, but also really well received) It has not much to do with what you personally think of it, though I guess statistically speaking it's rather likely you'd like it as well. But I'd argue it's normal to not be into the "common" kamige, once you got a bit around in eroge. That's also the case for anime and such. You'll probably find your gems somewhere else.

>>15629264
That doesn't sound right to me. Anything that relies on a bunch of people liking something doesn't sound right to me. It makes more sense to me that a lot of people like it because it's kamige, not that it's kamige because a lot of people like it.

>>15629282

A kamige is a title assigned to a game. That can only happen if people actually read it. If we take your definition, a kamige would be one even if nobody would read it or know about it. But we don't call those kamige, right?

>>15629346
All it takes is one person to read it and consider it a kamige - note that "kamige" is not an objective term. A really really good game that literally no one has read is a potential kamige just like any other game. Obviously, we don't call these unknown games "kamige" because we don't know about them. If we knew about them it's likely a lot of people would.

it almost feels like half the people here don't play the games themselves and form opinions based on other people's

>>15624027
How do you list all of those and not mention kamifusen?

>>15629401
Sorry, forgot about it. But yeah, definitely worth visiting.

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Finished Senren banka.

Pretty satisfied. The plot was nothing special and I ended ctrling through quite a bit but the icha icha and ero were both top notch which is what really matters for moege.

Was kinda disappointing that mako changed quite a bit right after starting her route. Fun route though.

Lena route seemed to be the games main focus but that's arguable. Also, the gaijin humor in it was bizarre as fuck to the point of actually being entertaining.

Glad they didn't skimp out on the side heroine route hscenes. They were hot as fuck.

>>15629425
>I ended ctrling through quite a bit
>Pretty satisfied.
呆れ顔

>>15629437
Moebuta standards, nothing to see here.

>>15629425

The moment I started Murasame's route Mako was more fun again already.

That said, I quite enjoy how Yoshino is in Mako's route and she seems to be similar enough in Murasame's as well. Is she also rather different in her own route?

>>15629425
Thanks, I'll leave Rena's route for last then. I like this thing where the most important heroine/route ends up being someone else. I remember Himakoi pulled this one really hard, the cover art and main menu did a well job at deceiving you. I wish there was a tag for this.

>>15629571
Yoshino stays the same in her route: just as boring. I hoped a bit she'd pull a Yune but no.

>>15629589
Not sure why you'd seriously listen to someone who admitted to skipping through most of the game

>>15629425
How dare you enjoy things!

>>15629600
That's what you took away from everything?

>>15629597
Not him, but most reviews I've read basically say she's the closest to being the main heroine because her route solves the most plot stuff.

>>15629612
Suree, but who would engage in conversation about a game with someone who skipped most of it? If Rena's the main heroine due to plot then that means he skipped most of her route. So he's not someone to talk about in regards to these things.

>>15629614
Most of the game is random flirting and Japanese humour, less than 10% of the text is important to the plot.

>>15629620
Who knows what he qualified as plot? Nobody knows. Once you start skipping it's a bloodbath.

>>15629614
if you believe the last few threads this place is full of djt and machine tl readers anyway so i'm not sure what your point is

>>15629614
"quite a bit" is pretty different from "most of it" though

>>15629626
It's all about the implication. The implication that everyone posting here has native-level comprehension. It's like etchings. You can ask a girl up to your room to look at etchings. That's cool. She can say yes or no, it's cool. But if you ask a girl to fuck? There's no implication! It's not cool. As a western community, we have to survive on the implication that the language barrier is non-existent. If we approached every conversation with the mindset that we're discussing games with machine-translators and language amateurs nothing would ever be properly discussed. Everything would be a back and forth mocking each other's Japanese. We have to pretend. We have to rely on the implication.
>>15629629
6 is quite a bit of 10

>>15629626
A lot of people come to this thread, if you judge its user base only for the regular 2 or 3 idiots asking DJT questions I don't know what to tell you.

>>15629633
>implication that everyone posting here has native-level comprehension.

Have you been here the past few threads? My Japanese is far from perfect but we get a new djt poster or machine TL fag every thread asking what is an easy vn to read. Besides, I won't blame some one for skipping text in some second rate vn that everyone will forget in two months time.

>>15629640
Like >>15629637 says, those are few in number compared to the total number so the implication is maintained. Furthermore, I won't blame him for skipping either, I'm just a little confused as to why people are discussing the game with him when he skipped so much.

>>15628979
I was thinking Kokoro and Kyouko.

Wasn't even considering the mom and actually forgot that Mana exist, for shame.

>>15629643
Maybe they are more interested in having an excuse to say what they want to say than actually have a conversion. Or they skipped just as much.

>>15629589

Keep in mind that the common route essentially solves everything of the plot as much as you want it to. The other routes are just "another arc". As such there isn't really anything "main" or whatever, as in theory the whole problem is solved already anyway.

The different routes then add different things to it as they please. Mostly related to background stuff. Which is unfortunate, as this part is quite a lot worse than the actual "story" during common. Mostly because it just feels so very irrelevant. At least that's how I've experienced it so far. But I'm not going to touch Rena's route ever, so I can't say how things work in her route.

In moege I skip all parts with no females on screen. Exception for cool friends or homo scene with grandpa. Also skip scene where the author is saying how beautiful a town or setting is, most of those scenes are shit. SnU did it right however.

>>15629437
I wouldn't be satisfied if I didn't ctrl. I still got everything every route offered though. It's a skill you get from playing a lot of eroge.

>>15629656
It's sad in some games when the male sub characters are better than the heroines. Why do they make heroines boring outside of h-scenes?

>>15629662
>Why do they make heroines boring outside of h-scenes?
Isn't it usually the opposite?

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>>15629656
>Exception for cool friends or homo scene with grandpa.
but how would you know if the friend is cool or grandpa scene is homo in the first place if you skip it?

>>15629643
I just replied to him because he's like the third person to confirm that, you're reading too much into it.

>>15629661
Honestly, sometimes you have literally read the scene before soo many times you know exactly what is going to happen, also I always stop when the audio changes because it typically signifies a change of topic or tone, obviously you read all cg scenes completely.

>>15629664
Let's be real most of the reason we play these is for the H-scenes. We wouldn't go through all the boring and uninspiring dialogue/situations if it weren't for the porn. Of course this isn't every game, but it applies to a lot of moege with bad writing.

>>15629665
>>15629673
Audio cues, if the music got goofy I'll know I missed a joke.

Also my first instinct is not to skip, I typically read the start of every scene.

>>15629670
Not much to read into. Dude skipped, that's that.

This discussion made me curious, what are your favorite moege/ish games of all time? Maybe a top 5 or something. I'm guessing Daitoshokan is gonna be in most lists.

>>15629685
Some people can't even agree on what is a moege.

>>15629685
1) Daitoshokan
2) Lovely Cation 2
3) Tonakoi
4) Seikishi Melty Lovers
5) Hoshi Ori

>>15629733
Hi Quof

>>15629740
Fuck off, cocksuck that machine translation reader on Reddit, not here.

>>15629661
And you are okay with that? Why would the writer do that to the readers? I don't get it.

>>15629751
As far as I can tell, what people like him care about aren't stories or anything like that. They're essentially reading moege as one would watch a cheap action flick - nothing matters except the high-octane icha and sex. The story's bad? It's boring in general? Doesn't matter. They're reading for specific things and if they have to skip to get to it they don't care.