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Visual Novel translation status


Amagami - 1st day patch Released for PS2/PSP, "1784/2308 original edition scenario scripts translated (77.3%)"
AstralAir - 100% translated, release a long ways off
Ayakashi Gohan - ~93% Complete
Clover Day's - Common + 3 routes done, other routes + 348/711 KB and 74/722 KB translated
Daitoshokan - 89.82% translated, 77.07% edited
HaraKano - Patch with Common, Marina, Ayana, Ren and Kanna routes released.
Hanasaki Work Spring - prologue + 35% of 1 route translated
Haruka Na Sora - Sora 11.29% translated, Kozue 23.73% translated
Harumade Kururu - 100% of the initial harem route + 25% common route translated
Hoka no Onna - 84.88% translated
Irotoridori no Sekai - 9681/50663 (19%) lines translated
>Junketsu Megami-Sama - partial patch released
Kurukuru Fanatic - 100% translated, UI + Wordwrapping done
Lovely Cation- 33.4% of lines completed
>Majikoi A-2 - 10.45% translated
>Majo Koi Nikki - 28% (11185/40208) lines translated, prologue patch released
Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - Commie project actively in editing
Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - 2nd project with 2.2 scripts translated
Mahou Tsukai no Yoru - 3rd project released ch 1-5
Monster girl quest paradox - Being translated, another partial patch released
Muv Luv Total Eclipse - 25% translated
Oreimo Tsuzuku - All scripts translated, 212/268 through TLC+Editing, 154/268 scripts finalized
Sanarara - Project resuming
Sukimazakura to Uso no Machi - 10,448 / 30,513 Lines (34.2%) translated, partial patch released
>Tsui Yuri - 63% (3725/5872) lines translated
>Tsuki ni Yorisou Otome no Sahou - 10613/31248 (33%) translated
Witch's Garden - 47555/67201 (70.77%) lines translated, 3,426/67,201 (5.10%) edited, prologue patch released
Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 100%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 89.73%, Motoka 32.17%, Common and Kazuha fully edited



Official work

MangaGamer
>Supipara - Released
Kyonyuu Fantasy - 9/9 release
Higurashi Hou - Released chapter 3
Umineko - Released chapters 1-4
Bokuten - 100% translated and edited
Da Capo 3 - 100% translated and edited
Myth - in scripting
Kuroinu - Being released as 3 seperate chapters, CH1 82% TL 21% edited
Himawari - In Beta
Negai no Kakera - 100% translated, 32% edited
Princess Evangile W Happiness - 55% translated, 24.5% edited
Imouto Paradise 2 - 48% translated, 30% edited
Fata morgana fan disc - 25% translated
Maggot Baits - Picked up
SukiSuki - 63% translated
Dal Segno - Picked up
Hadaka Shitsuji - 17% translated
Hadaka Shitsuji fandisc - Picked up
Bocchi Musume x Produce Keikaku - Picked up
Trinoline - Announced



JAST
Sumeragi Ryoko - Beta, in preorder, script edit 50%
Eiyuu*Senki - Picked up
Flowers - Re-write/editing 50%, Beta 15%
Katahane - Picked up
Princess X - 70% translated
Princess X fandisc - Picked up
Trample on Schatten- Translation 96%
Django - Waiting on translation.
Sweet Home - 100% translated, debugging script
Sumaga- Fully translated, in editing
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Sekai/Denpa
Grisaia trilogy - 2nd title Steam released, uncut 35% of new content done, 3rd 50% translated
2236 A.D. - 100% translated
>Maitetsu - 16.32% translated
Nenokami - 99.79% translated, Indiegogo finished
Koi to, Guitar to, Aoi Sora. - 100% translated
Kokonoe Kokoro - 100% translated, engine work
Creature to Koi Shiyo - 100% translated, engine work
WEE 3 - 100% translated
>Chrono Clock - 26.44% translated
Narcissu 3rd - TL+Editing done
Narcissu 0 - in QC
>Tenshin Ranman - 30.49%
Darekoi - 100% translated
>Wagamama High Spec -Demo is 100% translated, overall 21.9% translated
Hoshizora no Memoria - 18.38% translated
Memory's Dogma - 100% translated
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
Ley Line - picked up
Baldr Sky - Picked up both 1 and 2
SakuSaku - Picked up
Koikuma - Picked up


Frontwing
>Corona Blossom - Vol 1 released, demo released
Sharin no Kuni - Kickstarter halted, will be restarted
Island - Picked up
Grisaia no Senritsu - Picked up


Visual Arts
Little Busters - Picked up
Harmonia - Through Steam GL
Rewrite+ - Picked up
Angel Beats - 50% translated


Degica
Muv Luv - Released, uncut patch still to come
Muv Luv Alternative - Winter release
Schwarzesmarken - Through Greenlight
Kiminozo - Picked up


Aksys
Collar x Malice - Picked up
Period Cube - Picked up
Code: Realize fandisc - Picked up
Bad Apple Wars - Picked up


Other
Psycho-Pass: Mandatory Happiness - 9/13 release
Steins;Gate 0 - 2016 release
Root Letter - 2016 release
>ChuSingura46+1 - Ch 2+3 released
Wish Tale of the Sixteenth Night - 100% translated + edited, in QC
Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra - Common + Mari route translated
Taisho Alice - Picked up
Love Sweets - Picked up
Noratoto - Picked up
SubaHibi - Official release planned
Sora wo Aogite Kumo Takaku - Through Greenlight
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread
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Looking forward to seeing Escalayer
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It might be worth keeping on eye on the next http://www.mangagamer.org/minori/ update, since it'll cover half the supipara preorder window and (atleast) a portion of the first week sales.

Top 5 Ranking: http://pastebin.com/f0UXgzcA
Popularity Sort: http://pastebin.com/cfSEcc5q
Full Data Point List: http://pastebin.com/vSKpcE5c

As always, this tracker is powered by anonymous like you, so post order numbers if you've got em'.
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Remind, Dovac hates visual novels.

https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/759289075098460160

He got into a huge pissing match over cut content in his games, publicly telling all of his followers that a free patch exists and he's a salty vagina.

https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/759233303530631169

And has even started driving off long time SP staff.

https://twitter.com/Regris_Kallen/status/759295352839077888

Enjoy your censored Baldr Sky, translated by Trantez, released in 2025.
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Mangagamer got some mainstream press this week from kotaku. It was some shit about about the credit card fraud from months ago, but still, better than nothing.

Haro also added another announcement to the announcements page as she's been doing the last few weeks, but once again you all killed the thread in the middle of the week. http://mangagamer.org/announcements/
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Fata Morgana got updated with a younger looking meido.
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>Panel: Saturday August 13th at 22:30 EDT in Panel 1

MangaGamer panel. Should I quit my job so I can stay up for the announcements?
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>>15612327
Can't decide if I like the new one better or not.
Both are really nice designs.
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>>15612231
What's with all the sucking up on twitter? Jesus look at these guys.
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>>15612499
no
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Why Supipara instead of Natsuzora no Perseus or something else? Supipara was already a huge bomb in Japan and I don't see it making a big splash in the West. People are already going to be turned off of it being episodic, strictly all ages and the fear of it never being finished. Just seems like a waste of effort. Minori should have just let it die.
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How bout that Dovac meltdown
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>>15612580
It's easy to see - if they can sell it in the west, they can recover from their initial losses in Japan and the game isn't a total failure. Since the west is (or used to be) a sucker for any shitty game as long as it was translated, it might have even worked for a time. But it might be too late now, with VNs being thrown around left and right light cheap garbage.
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>>15612231
What is he whining about this time?
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mfw it's actually working
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>>15612499
Yes. I quit my job to finish reading Fata Morgana, and I have no regrets.
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>>15612231
>I can't wait to leave the VN scene
>Oh yes I'm the villain of course

Dovac desperately needs someone else to run his twitter for him. It's almost impressive how pathetic he's acting.
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>Majikoi A-2 - 10.45% translated
Life's good.
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https://vndb.org/v5160 guy, did you start your translation?
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Has anyone worked on a Tomoyo After patch for the super ultra best edition that contains everything?

While adult content is not necessary with all other Clannad being all-ages, I figure I'd still rather have the most complete game.
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>>15612741
Is he referencing SukiSuki? Or Baldr Sky? The former seemed like a lost cost considering Ishida knew Bamboo and SP is slow as hell.
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>>15612927
https://washitranslation.wordpress.com/
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>>15613261
Dovac would have Yuuki stay as Yuuki. I say sabotaging him was a mistake.
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>>15612231
> I'm taking a break from twitter.
> Comes back and is even more of a raging asshole.

I swear, this guy is just a public buttmonkey.
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>>15613300
Dovac would offer you a 10 dollar patch for Yuuki since he "values" option.
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>>15613344
I'd pirate it.
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>>15612327
>that guy who said the art didn't change you just get used to it
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>>15613300
>getting mad about Arunaru being stubborn over names
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>>15613261
>Is he referencing SukiSuki? Or Baldr Sky?
I believe it's both but wouldn't be surprised if there were other japanese developers. Remember that SP got mothefucking Favorite to censor their games for western release for whatever reason.
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>>15612630
>>15612605
Karakara 18+ (full game) and the 18+ DLC (as add-on for the all-ages game) have, combined, been sold only 15 times (9 + 6) on DLSite, and it sounds like sales aren't any better on DenpaSoft. Meanwhile, the 18+ version of Karakara has been torrented 4300 times on Sukebei alone, not counting places like Erogedownload, Anime-Sharing and other sites.

Basically: /jp/ keeps telling Dovac that he should just release 18+ patches, Dovac releases an 18+ patch, it doesn't sell at all and gets pirated to hell and back, Dovac gets frustrated and rants on Twitter.
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>>15612580
>Supipara was already a huge bomb in Japan and I don't see it making a big splash in the West
Supipara is doing horribly on Steam. The hype is shit, the discussion is shit.

And to think Minori was such a big name on the VN scene years ago...

Anyway, in a recent interview nbkz ((Nabukazo) I think that's his name) said there are currently no plans to localize other VNs as he is completely reliant on MG about information of how the western market is evolving to different type of releases / games.
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>>15613386
Last I checked, it's not a fan TL.
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>>15613399
I think that's pretty damn funny, overall.
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>>15612231
I hate this twat. I hope he keeps crying until 2030 when Baldr releases so nobody forgets how vile he is.
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>>15613399
>>15613414
Cool, I like seeing the Western "market" dying.
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>>15613399
I never supported the idea of a patch. When I get the game, I just want to install and play it. I don't want to install a patch after I install the game just to get the uncut content that should have been there to begin with.

This is the reason why I completely support the way MG handles games such as PE without exploring a loophole on the rules and thus having the risk of potentially being nuked from Steam (which is other companies are doing).

MG providing Steam keys by buying on their site was a fantastic idea. It's pathetic how someone tries to abuse that system to make money for themselves at MG huge cost...
Given how MG stopped with the Steam keys, I believe they could encourage people to get the adult version by offering something extra when people buy on their site. Naturally, they shouldn't be that obvious on Steam but they could have the community doing exactly this for them. There will certainly be people saying that if you buy on MG site you get something extra.
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>>15613261
It'd be amazing if they lost a deal that MG will announce at Otacon. Can't wait to see the next meltdown.
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>>15613399
Yea release an 18+ patch for free. Stop cutting content from a game and then charge extra for it. The complete game includes the H scenes, stop pretending that the H scenes are extra and optional.
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>>15613460
The only thing dying here is the prospect of future 18+ versions. The all-ages version sold fine. The 18+ version didn't sell at all. Business-wise it makes zero sense to invest in 18+ content when it does not net you any additional revenue.

>>15613472
You could also buy the full 18+ game immediately from DenpaSoft or DLSite. But nobody did that; either they bought the all-ages Steam version, or they just pirated it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if dovac reads these threads to get ideas for which VNs to license. So really, he's the fag that trying to get VNs from us first. That's why people are mad. He gets the eroge and then removes the ero. Just fucking license all-ages from the beginning then people wouldn't give a shit.
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>>15613492
>Stop cutting content from a game and then charge extra for it.

Wasn't this game made primarily with the Western market in mind? The alternative is to not add 18+ content as it apparently makes no financial sense. But then /jp/ starts complaining about Sekai Project forcing developers to make all-ages versions.
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Dovac needs to beg people to fund his all-ages only Kickstarters of fan-translated shit and claims there's no adult market.
But somehow Nutaku has 2mil to invest in the development of Western ero, plus the money to try and make an 18+ version of Steam. Funny how that works.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2016-07-31/game-publisher-nutaku-launches-2-million-adult-gaming-investment-fund/.104845
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>>15613495
>You could also buy the full 18+ game immediately from DenpaSoft or DLSite. But nobody did that; either they bought the all-ages Steam version, or they just pirated it.
Then why doesn't the exact same thing happen with MG? It doesn't make sense.
Is this a lack of visibility by the Denpa Soft brand? Is it because MG is much more recognized with regards to adult games? Is it because SP has effectively allienated most people of the main market (people who activelly buy +18 VNs) and try to squeeze what they can from Steam fags that actually care?

Such a mystery...
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/dg/ - Dovac general
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https://imouto.club/blog-03/

Stay classy dovac
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>>15613541
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
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>>15612229
Order Number- 205695
Order Date- 2016-07-30 17:19:39
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>>15613541
JUST
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Mangagamer announcements is bokuten+yuri vn+eustia+garbage nukige
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>>15613588
Are you even trying anon?
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>>15613525
I hate dovac as much as the next guy but that's an unfair comparison. Pornographic browser games are a far bigger and more profitable market than visual novels and eroge.
Nutaku would probably make more each day than Sekai or Mangagamer does in a month.
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>>15613503
The game is like NekoPara where it takes under 2 hours to read the entire thing and half of it was fucking. It wasn't made to be all ages.
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>>15612200
Dead End Junction was picked up by Culture Select.

https://vndb.org/v10106
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>>15612580
The early Steam vn boom made people optimistic about its prospects, only vn sales have rapidly declined in the last few months. It's because the fad is loosing its interest and so many shitty vns have been released to turn people away from the genre.
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>>15613300
But think about how his staff translates an average vn, there'd be all kinds of other issues.
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>>15613414
>Anyway, in a recent interview nbkz ((Nabukazo) I think that's his name) said there are currently no plans to localize other VNs as he is completely reliant on MG about information of how the western market is evolving to different type of releases / games.

That statement pissed me off, because it sounds like he has no faith in Perseus and the other well-regarded vns that released after Supipara. They skipped them all for Trinoline, a completely unproven title.
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>>15613472
> I believe they could encourage people to get the adult version by offering something extra when people buy on their site.

It's possible, but look at what happened when they offered exclusive MG bonuses for the first Kindred Spirits drama CD. People felt they were getting ripped off by buying it on Steam and still refused to buy it on MG's site. MG had to backtrack and get Steam to allow almost all the bonuses to get them to buy it on Steam.
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>>15613823
So is Supipara the worst thing that Minori has made? I haven't heard anything good or bad about all the other Minori games after Eden.
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>>15613473
Given the hints at what's going to be announced at Otakon, it doesn't sound like anything dovac would've wanted. The new partners are most likely the NTR or loli vn and Sorcery Jokers.
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>>15613492
It costs about the equivalent of $20 in Japan, because it was a simultaneous release. People want new vns in the west, but the reality is that it jacks up the price.
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>>15613838
It doesn't have H-scenes, which is what arguably killed it in the end. That and the episodic thing combined with being very expensive to produce, leading to very little returns.
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>>15613495
How many people wouldn't have bought the all-ages version if the 18+ patch wasn't available? Some people do it out of principle, while other wouldn't have bought the all-ages game if they couldn't have pirated the 18+ patch. They consider paying double for the 18+ version to be buying the game twice, so they refuse to do so.
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>>15613843
In the same vent, I also don't see Trinoline doing well either. A simultaneous release would probably mean a higher price and the H-scenes are most certainly going to be fully censored (although I don't think even Eden* has gotten the reduced mosaic treatment yet, so it could be a moot point). That would probably rile up the anti-censorship crowds.
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>>15613525
I doubt how much of this will go to vns that aren't made by Winged Cloud or AJ Tilley. I'm expecting more browser games and ero RPGs to come out of this more than anything else. It could also end up as a total flop.
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Dovac's in the middle of fucking with Aroduc and Doddler of all people over Baldr Sky too.

He needs to start by shutting down his twitter, and then taking a long hard look at his belief that he's god's gift to visual novels. Never happen obviously.
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>>15613845
In what way is it episodic? Are the routes half done, or is are there heroines that don't have routes that will get them in the next one?
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>>15613823

What I heard (well, overheard while he was chatting with kouryuu) from nbkz re: Trinoline was that they're trying to make something that combines eastern and western sensibilities. The one specific thing I remember him mentioning was that science fiction-y stories tend to be much more popular in the US, which honestly sounds accurate as far as I know.

I might be wrong but I sorta get the impression that minori's using it as an opportunity to try something a little different.
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>>15613541
>From today onwards, I’m dropping all new visual novels from Sekai Project.
Well that was unexpected. Looks like no more Nekopara patches or the like.
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>>15613399
No, /jp/ tells him to off himself and disband his company.
After all shit he said and done to 18+ crowd, only utter cucks would ever buy anything from him. Its now matter of principle.
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>>15613852
This is how I see it. Not even mainstream games can often get people to buy things they think they should get for free. I believe that many people bought the all-ages version with the expectation of getting the 18+ patch for free, whether officially or otherwise. Of course, I have no data to support this, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised to find out it's the case.
To complain about people refusing to double dip is pointless. The large amount of downloads of the patch proves demand. The question isn't if people want ero, it's if they'd care about the product without the sex scenes in the first place. The recent string of all ages failures make a me think the answer is no.
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>>15613887
Even sci-fi manga and anime do better in the west so that doesn't come as much of a surprise.
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>>15613541
Am I reading this right?
This guy was translating h-content for Sekai games for free, dovac then was reselling these free patches for monies, and now mad that something he never paid for was distributed by author separately?
dovac's entitlement sure knows no bounds.
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>>15613838
The vns after Supipara have sold quite well and had much better reception in Japan. Soreyori no Prologue is especially well-regarded from what I've heard.
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>>15613921

Oh come on you guys aren't actually this stupid.

Karakara had an 18+ version and an 18+ patch available from Sekai/Denpa. This guy I guess didn't realize they had a patch and made his own redundant patch for the Steam version from the standalone 18+ release.
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Apparently, Aroduc hates anime.
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>>15613874
The second one, if I remembered correctly.
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>>15613874
Each chapter is its own route, but you don't need to read previous chapters to just jump in a random chapter and understand what's going on, however doing so provides more background. Only chapters 2 of 5 currently exist.
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>>15613887
Seems about right, Trinoline itself seems to about the Three Laws of Robotics, hence the title.
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>>15613887
Adhering to western sensibilities (or what they perceive to be western sensibilities) could really backfire, because it could be taken as a cheap attempt to pander to the west. If it's targeted at Steam, I'm also expecting it to be short and have H scenes like eden* that aren't part of the story at all. I'll try to be cautiously optimistic though.
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>>15612229

Order Number - 205391
Order Date - 2016-07-26 17:23:15
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Apparently Imouto Works is completely unaware that MG has been phasing out the DRM ever since last year.

https://twitter.com/imoutoworks/status/759491098712694785
>God bless MangaGamer, they're the real MVPs. I just wish they dropped the DRM.
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Every week I continue to see what Sekai Project has become and it makes me sad. How did everything go so wrong?
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>>15614151
What ever made you have faith in them in the first place?
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>>15614151
When was it ever right?
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>>15614158
>>15614159

I was around when they first formed to translate School Days, and was very active on their forum. It definitely didn't feel like the shitshow it is now, and I doubt that many of the original members are even still there.
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>>15613887
When will they understand that what panders to the weebs is the eastern stuff.
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>>15614163
Kana (Maybe I'm mispronouncing the name of the one who made the updates in SDHQ) was the best thing Sekai had.
I also had big hopes for Sekai until the last year and they got worse and worse.
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>>15614197
They want the Steam casual audience.
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Hey Haro, will all the Otakon announcements be posted by this Friday? It would help with predictions leading up to the con if we knew exactly how many titles were being announced.
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>>15613887
>The one specific thing I remember him mentioning was that science fiction-y stories tend to be much more popular in the US, which honestly sounds accurate as far as I know.

That's the wrong lesson to draw. GOOD stories, well written stories, clever stories are what sells. You can't just make a generic moege with robots and spaceships and pewpew and call it a day.
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>>15614219

All the slots will be up before the panel, that's all I'm gonna say.

>>15614247
>GOOD stories, well written stories, clever stories are what sells.

You can't seriously believe that.
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>>15614150
Hey wait a minute...

https://twitter.com/imoutoworks/status/756671738646237184

He worked on improving Umineko and Higurashi? Doing God's work.
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>>15614272
Haro, would you sell out to SP after all their bullshit?
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>>15614272
I'm going to quit my job. The announcements better be worth it.
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>>15614272
I'm taking this as you guys holding out hope that Supipara Chapter 2 will hit its goal before your panel.

As for the stories part, generic stories can fail spectacularly too. Karakara and Coronoa Blossom are just seen as Nepopara clones and haven't been selling very well as a result.
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>>15612231
>And has even started driving off long time SP staff.
>https://twitter.com/Regris_Kallen/status/759295352839077888
Did this guy quit or get fired?
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>>15614295
>As for the stories part, generic stories can fail spectacularly too.

Not saying generic stories = huge cash money either. Just the notion that a good story always means high sales (and that a crappy story can't sell well) isn't really in line with reality. VNs sell for a lot of reasons but the quality of the story seems to be a rather minuscule factor compared to most other things.
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>>15614304
https://twitter.com/Regris_Kallen/status/759783375217397760

Told to quit or be fired.
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>>15614205
I just have to accept that the group I liked is dead and the trash in charge are wearing its corpse.
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>>15614327
>Looks at who replied that tweet
Wait a fucking second.
Phlebas is the president of Fruitbait? That's the first I've heard of it
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>>15614208
Well, the Steam casual audience don't want them.
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>>15614356
Obviously, otherwise the minori fundraising page would already have announced chapter 2 being reached.
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>>15614403
I'll have pizza
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>>15614403
Obviously more people will buy a game at launch than people willing to preorder it. The question is if it can stay on the chart after its launch period.
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>>15614295
Karakara has sold roughly 4000 copies so far, based on SteamSpy, which isn't bad (just not great). Corona Blossom's sales are currently still too low for a decent estimate (1,361 ± 940), but keep in mind that it has just been released so not all sales are counted yet and it'll probably sell some more over the next couple days.
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>>15614445
Steamspy numbers can't be used for games under 30k because the numbers are unreliable and fluctuate in the thousands. They were also likely expecting Nekopara level sales.
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>>15614348
Fruitbat was founded by members of the Little Busters! fan translation team. That's why they're involved in VisualArt's's Little Busters! release.
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>>15614417
http://www.mangagamer.com/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=159

Are you sure?
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>>15614403
A retarded title is making some flop kusoge sell better than Kyonyuu Fantasy. Shame shame shame.
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>>15614497
People really want the minori fundraiser to succeed so that Supipara can be finished. And preorders will obviously be less than a newly launched title.
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>>15614497
We still have one month for Kyonyuu Fantasy, meanwhile, the Supipara fad will die in a week or two.
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>>15614497
Kyonyuu Fantasy still has another month until release, I can see people taking their time pre-ordering it.
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So chu 46+1 chapters 2+3 has been released is it any good?
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>>15614683
No.
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Who's the lamest one here: s, Nutaku, or imgur?
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>>15613492
Removing H-scenes are optional, and should cost extra. And since "Steam is amazing and all people there are the best" I figure they'd pay double for all-ages, right?
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>>15614725

You, sana
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>>15614727
I can't be him since I like MangaGamer.
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>>15614683
>censored all-age trash
>any good
No.
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>>15614726
Can you speak English?
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>>15614782
Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
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>>15614272
>You can't seriously believe that.
I do! And I paid full price for them too, including from MG.
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>>15614725
>using imgur in the age of sli.mg
dumbass
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>>15614272
>You can't seriously believe that.
I think we may have different opinions about what constitutes a good story.
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>>15612741
I'm so proud of the community right now. There's hope for quality releases and respect for the source and the fans yet.

>>15613870
>I doubt how much of this will go to vns that aren't made by Winged Cloud or AJ Tilley.

AJ Tilley/Darkher has been getting all of their cash from Kickstarter. They've run three this year alone and funded like 20 games for the next few years.

They don't need Nutaku's filthy money, so expect some other entry-level devs to jump on it.
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>>15614891
I would like to believe that but they'll just create multiple brands to confuse people like WingedCloud did with FoxDawn.
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>>15613932

Soreyori's the first minori VN since eden* to have an 80 or higher EGS score, also

>>15614247
>>15614272

>GOOD stories, well written stories, clever stories are what sells.

That is true though, you don't see random nukige on the top of VNDB and EGS. There's many VNs with cute girls, but far fewer VNs with a memorable story.

Nukige are definitely the safest option when it comes to investment -> expected reward, though
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>>15614911
>That is true though, you don't see random nukige on the top of VNDB and EGS.

VNDB and EGS aren't sales though. What are the top selling VNs on Steam again? Oh, right, Nekopara and Sakura Spirit.
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>>15614537
I wait on the store page to offer Kyonyuu Fantasy as a purchase. Not touching Funbag Fantasy store page out of spite.
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>>15614917
How many of the top VNs on VNDB/EGS are on Steam, though? And of the ones that are, how long have they been out compared to those two?

Steam's not exactly a spectacular metric for what's popular.
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>>15614922

Popularity is not the question here sales are. Nekopara's moved more units than basically any VN that's come out of Japan in years period.
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>>15614920
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. A kyonyuu by any other name will still be as big.
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>>15614917
>Oh, right, Nekopara and Sakura Spirit.
The meme game lol streamer bubble won't last forever, and not everyone can be a bad rats.
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>>15614846
Unfortunately, very few people actually give money to such titles. Simply localizing a VN with a very good story doesn't guarantee success. The market has been flooded with shit and thanks to that the perception of people is to consider VNs "anime games" and thus not take them seriously. Have you noticed how Steam interest has been gradually getting lower?

Even mainstrem coverage is shit. To get it you apparently need to either have a aspect of a VN that will cause a lot of interest (such as the coverage for Yurirei) or pay the heavens for coverage and review sites to advertise it.

This is the shitty reality on the current western VN market.
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>>15614929
You can't prove quality through sales if the quality titles aren't there for comparison.

When those top titles are on Steam for a year or more, you can use Steam to make your point. Until then, Steam means nothing.

All you can prove is that of the VNs available on Steam, Nekopara and Sakura Spirit have sold the most copies over time. Nothing else.
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>>15614929
Nekopara has also been sold for 3 dollars and been in 2 different "unlimited sales bundles". If you look at how many has sold and consider the profit is on average 1 dollar, it isn't THAT extreme.
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>>15614937

FM is doing decently considering the lack of exposure it has gotten. It's not going to get memecats level sales, but it's going to be steady revenue over time for MG
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>>15614996
Don't delude yourself. No one likes your kuso all-agesge.
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>>15614996
> FM is doing decently
Kek. That shit sold like 200 copies at most despite all the shilling here.
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>>15613300
Yeah, and the rest of it would be an unreadable mess with porn removed.
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>>15615078
I think over time Fata Morgana will sell very well because all the positive word-of-mouth exposure it's getting.
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>>15615090
> all the positive word-of-mouth exposure it's getting
Shill, you literally the only one who still speak about this piece of shit. And no one even replay to your shilling anymore.
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>>15614937
>Simply localizing a VN with a very good story doesn't guarantee success.
People are just burned out by promises and hype. Look at RD, hyped up to be a zero escape, turned out to be a snoozefest after root A.
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>>15615143
>all ages
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>>15615137
Not him, but I know people who bought Fata Morgana recently because of the praise. I'm also going to buy it in the near future.
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>>15615171
>not him
Right.
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>>15613399
>Karakara
What the fuck is Karakara ? 18+ version or not isn't the problem, it's a flop because nobody give a shit about this Karakara thing.
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>>15615171
Ok. Guess it would be 250 sold copies by the end of the year. Great success. Btw, is anyone else who remember that delusional anon who unironically thought Tokyo Babel would sold 30.000?
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>>15615211
>>More than one person likes things I don't? Impossible! Samefag! SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!!!
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Long Live The Queen is actually Steams top Selling VN.
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>>15615408

Not a VN
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>>15615431
Lol of course it is, the fags on VNDB are not always right.
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Seems like Labyrinth of Grisaia sold like dogshit on Steam. What happened? People finally tired of dovac and SP bullish?
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>>15615454
People don't care or are waiting for the ero version. Plus no airing anime so free publicity is non-existent.
Doesn't help that there's censorship in addition to the ero scenes being removed. People also know that there won't be a real patch for Steam, so nobody will buy it in anticipation of a patch that's never coming out.
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>people unironically shitting on Fata Morgana
As if these threads couldn't get any worse.
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>>15615488
Looks like OELVN crap. There's a general for that stuff on /vg/, go there if you want to talk about it fool
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>>15615488
It's just one ESL mong from /v/, report and ignore all shitposters.
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>>15615454
It's $40 and still no patch either. I think most of kajitsu sales were 50% off
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>>15615488
I wouldn't touch that artwork with a 10 foot pole
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I promise I will make a Kyonyuu restoration patch when """(((Funbag)))""" Fantasy comes out. We will take our game back.
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>>15615561
SukiSuki patch is enough for me, no one cares about the title of a garbage nukige.
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>>15615454
because even the translator is telling people to steer clear until Denpa gets off its ass
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>>15615569
Most people aren't so brain damaged to be hyped for some anonymous generic moege like you, I'll be fine. I know this to be true!
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>>15615597
Where? I want to laugh more at Dovac's meltdown.
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>>15615488
Please ignore the shit posters. They want attention. Not to mention that they're obviously baiting as they usually do on the /vn/ thread.
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>>15615607
https://twitter.com/herkzzz/status/745493309670363136
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>>15615645
Herkz isn't the translator.

Herkz is just some random fuck that they let edit and does a shit job of it while delaying everything.
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>>15612229
Order Number - 205826
Order Date - 2016-08-01 07:04:06
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>>15615603
> Most people aren't so brain damaged to be hyped for some anonymous generic moege like you
SukiSuki would sell more than shitamorgana and Tokyo Babel put together. You can screensnap this post.
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>>15615739
Ok, anon. Either way, Bocchin Musume will outsell SukiSuki.
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>>15615821
I'am OK with fujoshit selling well. Can't wait for the future where MG license only fujoshit, moege and hardcore scat/guro/rape nukige.
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>>15615852
You forgot yuri.
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>>15615852
I still want otoboku 2 and Ruitomo and other crossdressing games. But it seems like people only want shit eating games. Woe is me.
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>>15615739
And KF will sell more than SuckySucky, like all MG nukige do
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Why does this thread always overstate the amount of poop games brought over?
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Could you have used some more spacing in this post? Hard to distinguish the VNs with that wall of text
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>>15615852
did euphoria succeed bc it was fetish or bc it was plotge?
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>>15616102

Neither. euphoria is a meme game
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Whats a good site to torrent/download english translated VNs?
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>>15616138
Are you retarded?
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>>15616143
No why do you ask?
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>>15616102
bs its actually a good game. I'am still salty about true end though. Fuck Nemu, evil Kanae best girl.
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>>15616151
but MG seems to have drawn the conclusion that euphoria sales are about fetish sex. Otherwise why maggot baits?
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>>15616198
>why maggot baits?

Because it has an interesting story
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>>15616198
> Otherwise why maggot baits?
bs it's also a good game? Games with fetish sex can also be good games, you know?
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>>15615569
>garbage nukige
KF is genuinely best MG game of 2016, even for people who dislike nukige. Its sad that it got this terrible title translation and is advertised as pure porn, but porn is not the reason why it got such a high score on EGS.
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>>15616208
>>15616214
looks like chuunige to me
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>>15616225
Its not chuuni, its just regular action + guro porn.
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>>15616222
>KF is genuinely best MG game of 2016
It's interesting but it isn't THAT great. The most interesting thing about it is the rags-to-riches protagonist that uses his head for once.

It only has an 80 EGS too. Which isn't that amazing.
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When did you realize that Moogy-dono has shit taste and is completely irrelevant to the VN community of today?
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>>15616151
As someone who is a sucker for the childhood friend trope, the true end was a real stab in the gut. Good stuff.
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>>15616280
The first time I read one of his reviews.
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>>15616280
The moment he started trashing Umineko and MuvLuv, two best Visual Novels ever made.
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Is Makoto the best translator?
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>>15613460
I tip my fedora to you good sir
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>>15616102
Is it as good as Bible Black? I unironically enjoyed that one. Starless overdid it with the 15 minute repeaty h-scenes, and scat and bestiality. Maybe I shouldn't have installed the uncensor patch for that one.
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>>15614917
Danganronpa might not be top selling but it has made the most money. Basically you just need to release all ages HD VNs with gameplay and anime adaptations. Utwr 2 when?
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>>15616151
>evil Nemu best girl

ftfy
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>>15616358
Only if you don't count speed.
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>>15616409
Euphoria is way better than Bible Black if you go by plot alone. The ero depends on your fetishes.
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>>15616575
Euphoria is a fetish game with a ridiculously ambitious plot it has no business having. It's the muv luv alternative of fetish porn. I'm certain lots of people who read it skipped through the h scenes entirely.
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>>15616575
Hm, makes me wonder, would there be a point to playing Euphoria and slamming control through most of the H-scenes? Like the other anon, I played Bible Black and enjoyed it, while speedreading the H, but I might be a little too squeamish to read Euphoria's.
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>>15616808
>muv luv alternative of fetish porn
You do realize that most people here would consider that a compliment?
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Man, there is no way in hell Supipara ever gets finished. If it was 200 grand just to bring over the first two chapters which were already made how much it is going to cost to create the brand new ones from scratch? Supipara would have to be one of the most successful VNs ever in the west to make the money needed for that.
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>>15616820
In my perspective, it is as good as Muv Luv or at the very least have similar plotpoint.
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>>15616820
It was intended as a mild compliment. Euphoria is plotge and that's why it sold
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>>15616366
Choke on your OELVNs, pls.
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>>15616358
Nah, that's koestl
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>>15616222
Don't oversell it. It's a good nukige with a decent plot for a nukige. I'm expecting the people who bought Boob Wars to pick it up.
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>>15616814
You'd probably miss out on some emotional damage and torture but you can probably get the overall plot by skipping them. There's in-game toggles for reducing scat/guro/ahegao (but not removing them) if you are really worried about being squeamish.
Most of the crazier scenes are plot-relevant rather than strictly ero, which is different from Maggot baits which is a full guro game from start to finish.
If you have an interest you should probably just persevere through the scenes, part of the appeal is how notorious it is, although I personally feel like that is exaggerated.
However, Maggot baits can churn stomachs just with the CG alone. Can't wait to see how that one is actually received once it comes out.
I suppose if you are really worried about the CGs can you skip the scenes then read the backlog to see if you missed any terribly important plot details.
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>>15615226
The problem with Karakara is that they charged $10 for what's literally 2 hours long and goes nowhere.

It has a nice setting and characters, and it could probably lead to a nice series, but for now it's just a really short SoL VN. No one wants to pay that much for something they'll finish in one night and will provide no memorable stuff.

This comes from someone who bought it day one and enjoyed it.
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>>15616848
According to vn top sellers, it's selling worse than: Danganronpa 2, Danganronpa 1+2 bundle, Danganronpa, the oelvn with gameplay Just Deserts, VA-11 Hall-A: Cyberpunk Bartender Action, Zero Escape: Zero Time Dilemma, Muv Luv, and a bundle of Sakura games that costs $80.
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hi
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>>15616970
Hello
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>>15616970

Hello darkness, my old friend.
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>>15616222
>terrible title translation
Its Japanese title literally means Gargantuan Breasts Fantasy. And you already admitted that your biased against the word funbags in your rant on MG's blog. On top of that it's become obvious that you worship Kyonyuu Fantasy and think it's above being a nukige. Your opinion on anything involving it is nothing but major bias.
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>>15617242
I never posted on MG blogs, paranoid moron.
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>>15617263
Someone did a rant about how funbags is a word associated with rapists. Sounded like you, so obviously most people just assumed it was you.
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>>15617271
I'm huge fan of rape/slavery/調教/痴漢 nukiges, ranting about rape associations certainly doesn't sound like me.
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>>15617288
My mistake, that guy was getting really obnoxious. I'll refrain from accusing anyone who dislikes the title as being him in the future.
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>>15617242
>And you already admitted that your biased against the word funbags in your rant on MG's blog
Not him but Link?
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>>15617320
http://blog.mangagamer.org/2016/07/22/funbag-fantasy-now-available-for-pre-order/#comment-13249

It's point 3 of 5.
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>>15617324
While I dislike the choice of translation myself that reasoning is a bit much.
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>>15617324
Is this guy not from the US? It's a really common word here. Even if people don't use it they at least know what it means. The title logo being hands groping boobs should be self explanatory too.
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>>15617386
You mean telling your audience that you can't wait to ditch the market and never wanted to get into it to begin with aren't good ideas?
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>>15617392
What the hell does that even mean, anyway? Sekai was MADE to translate a VN.
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>>15617406
The company is headed by dovac and he seems more interested in developing for consoles and publishing more mainstream games. Raiders Sphere 4th was something he really liked.
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>>15617406
Sekai isn't the same people who it used to be.
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>>15617415
Yeah, but saying that Sekai was never meant to do VNs? That's like saying the goal of IHOP was never to serve breakfast.
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>>15617438
ihop breakfast is disgusting
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>>15617459
Just like Sekai.
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>>15616222
I really enjoyed it. Better than Haruka.

And Rance 01

Well short of Rance VI in the unlikely event that gets announced before 01
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>>15617375
I'm not him but i also think that Sc... Funbag isn't a popular word, if it wasn't for the cover I would never associate this name with a titty nukige.
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>>15616882
That a fact ?
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>>15616814
Nah, there's quite a bit of character development put away in the (sometimes) over-the-top H-scenes. It's especially important in the first half where it's all about character degradation. And there's some scenes later on which are pretty important as well. I wouldn't say that they're completely essential on their own, but when put together I wouldn't skip any of them. Plus, the art is pretty nice. The artist (who is a woman, by the way) actually knows how to draw genitalia unlike so many other Japanese artists (who, I imagine, probably don't put much effort into something that will just get censored). I haven't fapped to Euphoria more than a few times, but I still liked the art quite a bit. I wish there was an H scene where Nemu had her hair down, though.
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Which kamige is mangagamer going to announce?
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>>15618146

All NTR
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Something Alicesoft, probably Rance 01, Sengoku or Evenicle.
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>>15618230
Sengoku announcement would be fun to watch.
"We promised you Rance game if you buy haruka, well, here's your Rance!"
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>>15618245
I could probably buy into it if they did an HD version of Sengoku.
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>>15616859
It is ironic that the only game that would benefit from an all-ages game port is probably Euphoria. Because it does sound worth playing, if you can make sure you don't accidentally run into any sceens you dislike.
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>>15618256
They're not going to do a HD version

>>15618230
>>15618146
Rance 01 seems more likely but possibly Rance VI.

VI is kamige but 01 is nothing special.
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>>15618261
Did you even play it? Its literally impossible to make it all-ages, everything revolves around depraved sexual acts and violence.
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>>15617375
Are you? There are many other slang terms more popular than "funbag" here.
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>>15618261
I don't know about that because the brutality of many of the scenes sets the atmosphere and the general hefty oppression in the first-half. There's way too much stuff dedicated to this kind of depravity that an all-ages version would be impossible. Maybe a censored version could produce a 17+ rating. Anyway, you can just turn off scat and stuff in the options if you want to.

Also; while it's a very good plot for a nukige, it still has its issues. I would have preferred it if the teacher/loli routes were cut and they were allowed to focus more on the true route. The ending segment in particular felt too short and under-developed.
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>>15618146
Why would people think of Sorcery Jokers? Is there some reason for it? Some piece of evidence or something?
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>>15617299
You can accuse me, because I am him.

And besides I said that only was my personal opinion since out of over 100 manga titles I've only run across Funbags in Magical Girl Apocalypse where the cop that want to rape all small girls use it for the big breasted girl as an insult.

Not sure I've ever seen the word in any previous VN either. Because it is obscure beyond what anyone can imagine.

And I just hate people who do bad excuses like "it will attract buyers". How do you attract buyers with an unknown word? May as well call it tiggobitties. Would be just as selling.
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>>15618275
>How do you attract buyers with an unknown word?
I wouldn't say it's unknown, rather it's fallen in disuse for easier and quicker things to say.
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>>15618270

Their hints earlier this year.
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>>15618270
>HD title is confirmed
>"no joke" hint
That's about it, I think.

>>15618275
>only 1 in 100 titles have I ran across Funbags
>Hence it gives the game a bad connection as an abuse, rape and torture game
Great perspective there.

>Because it is obscure beyond what anyone can imagine.
Hyperbolic.
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>>15618275
>over 100 manga titles

That's not really the greatest frame of reference for an english word anonymous.

It's a pretty common word in the normalfag big titties market.
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>>15618276
Maybe people got tired of not having a spelling defined since it is more common as Fun Bags than Funbags.

Which also annoys me since it means Kyonyuu has a dialect spelling rather than the most common one.

It is like if the game had Osakan title in Japan because Osakans wrote the title and didn't have a clue as to what the rest of the world says.
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>>15616859
>Euphoria is plotge and that's why it sold
Anon please.
Euphoria has been for a long time infamous due to its content. It's not simply because it has a good plot. There are multiple reasons why it was a success.
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>>15618288
>It's a pretty common word in the normalfag big titties market.

And my point is that I am a big consumer of otaku content and completely missed the word. Nothing more, nothing less. It is just a word that won't fit with majority of otakus.

If you are a big consumer of regular funbags porn, good for you. You got a VN title you understand.
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I am quite curious. Where do I download visual novels?
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>>15618322
mangagamer.org
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Euphoria also had a hentai didn't it
seen people in other boards who only know it because of the "human centipede scene" (which funnily enough wasn't in the VN) so I assume it's at least moderately well known
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>>15618326
maybe something free?
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>>15618322
>>15618333
Type that very question in google
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>>15618332
Yeah.
The OVA is kind of shit and is generally pretty different the VN, though.
Had some nice boob fondling, at least. Something which I thought was lacking in the H scenes in euphoria.
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>>15618336
I did. And I can assure you a lots of times. However, all those links refered to long dead sites (i.e. fuwanovel).
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>>15618342
i mainly refer to that it does not longer offer free downloads
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>>15618322
>>>/wsr/
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>>15618322
>>15618333
>>15618342
Try reddit. That's where you find pirates. We don't pirate here.
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>>15618351
thanks
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>>15618356
ok thanks
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>>15618356
>We don't pirate here.
Well maybe in this thread only.
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>>15618361
you have any possible sites for free vn?
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>>15618363
Kill yourself
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>>15618363
Plenty, but I don't spoonfeed as a matter of principle.
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>>15618363
https://www.youtube.com/user/LostPause
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>>15618371
ok.
>>15618370
ugh okai :^^^^^)
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>>15618356

More like we don't spoonfeed here.
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>>15618363
>>15618322
>>>/global/rules/16
You have already been directed to where to make your request. Now fuck off.
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>>15618321

The "Otaku" market is a small one. I can't say that I'd have gone with that particular title("Busty Fantasy" would have been the best compromise, imo), but it's obviously they're tossing shit at the wall in hopes of attracting a more mainstream audience like what happened with boob wars.
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>>15618266

Yes, something like 'Hooters Fantasy' is clearly such a superior option
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/jp/'s favorite pasttime is doomsaying right?

Minori's funding page just updated! We can now see the fruit of supipara's launch window. It was $160,553.06 on the 13th of last month and now it's....

Whew, 400ish copies. That wouldn't be too bad an opening... if it were a full price title.
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>>15618461
haven't read any reviews for it yet other than it's beautiful.
how's the actual story and characters?
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>>15618461
Frankly I'm surprised they tried to push Supipara at all. I figured Minori would just stay away from that title considering its bad history.
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>>15618261
Why are people who don't like metamorphosis in this thread?
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>>15618261
>would benefit from an all-ages
Nah. It would kill creepy atmosphere of a game. I lost my shit at that particular CG in the middle of Kanae's route. No way it would remain in all ages version.
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There is an alternate verse where dovac and sekai is loved by the community.
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>>15618568
I think alternate universes work by "possible outcomes". So no.
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>>15618568
Because the community and the rest of the world are mind controlled drones
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>>15618363
Most VNs aren't free. You're not entitled to get a free version of a paid product and much less call yourself a fan. Search by your own means if you don't care enough about VNs to the point of giving money for them.
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>>15614859
Nice botnet. How long will it last?
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>>15618461
Wouldn't you need to double that? Mangagamer's profit doesn't get added to the fundraiser, only minori's profit from each game sale gets added. At least that's how I remember it working? It was on their ask.fm way back...

http://ask.fm/The_Doddler/answers/124373753073
I guess that isn't proof, but not 100% of each sale goes towards the fundraiser.
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>>15618568
Go back to \vg\
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>>15618266
They were going for alliteration.
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>>15618292
>It is like if the game had Osakan title in Japan because Osakans wrote the title
That would actually make alot of sense for them to do that, because it gives it more regional flavor. The fact is that translations will be influenced by where the translator is from. I noticed this in Tokyo Babel with some of the phrasings they used.
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>>15618743
>I noticed this in Tokyo Babel with some of the phrasings they used.

It gave you a pregnant feeling, didn't it?
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>>15618461
The English market dislikes episodic vns. They've been burned too many times by them never being completed or taking forever between installments. The vn market is especially resistant to them because of all the oelvn titles that have been dropped after a single chapter after people paid for them. Look into Sakura Fantasy and Dysfunctional Systems as some of the more famous dropped titles.
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>>15618465
It's pretty dull from what I've heard.

>>15618468
Clearly the western fans will appreciate minori's vision more!
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>>15618746
Yes, I've never encountered so much pregnant air in my life.
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>minori gets to see their famous flop bomb again
Pretty funny really.
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>>15618775
Tokyo Babel: It Made Me Pregnant™

I bet it would've sold with that advertising.
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>>15618778
After continued sales of eden* and Supipara Chapter 1 they're sure to hit the goal for Chapter 2 by the end of the year or sometime next year. I don't see Chapters 3+ happening anytime soon, though an eden* hardcopy could help it along, but I don't see the point when Chapter 1 is selling so poorly. Chapters 2+ will sell even less.
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Clearly the western market was not ready for something like Gahkthun.

http://wrongeverytime.com/2016/08/01/gahkthun-of-the-golden-lightning/
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>>15618877

How do you find this shit anonymous?
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>>15618894
the power of google
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>>15618877
Sakurai is not something for your average pleb.
>But those nice details are buried under an insurmountable wave of terrible writing. The prose is purple, the lines repeat themselves, and everything is stretched to the point where it loops into some inverse-of-pacing negaverse. No cool story could compel me to fight through that writing, and as I said above, the writing is the story, anyway. Neon repeating everything she thinks half a dozen times doesn’t just make it take longer for anything to happen...
Pretty much same thing that was said over and over for every released WAB game. WABs are intentionally heavy on purple prose, people who can't stomach it should just stay fucking away from series.
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>>15616151
>evil Kanae best girl.

Is it ever explained why she hates the MC so goddamn much? I mean even after the whole "everything was a simulation" explanation she clearly states to you that she hates your guts and she hopes to see you dead or something like that. But I didn't even understand the reason why. Was the MC interfering with the Nemu experiments? Was she jealous of her? Was she just batshit insane? I just know she had a troubled childhood and felt abandoned by her parents.

I never played the teacher and loli routes so maybe something else is explained in those.
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>>15618913
And this is one of the reasons Gahkthun sold so poorly. It really is a niche of a niche.

How many people bought Gahkthun and couldn't stand its writing? I doubt most of them would pick up another WAB title after that.
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>>15618923
Gahkthun is the single lightest WAB game there is. It's not like those people would have enjoyed, say, Inganock and its fight scenes which are always exactly the same.
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>>15618734
I'm positive they went for "It should sound like Final Fantasy to cash in on that crowd of adults". And when you got a whole team going "Cool idea" it is just natural nobody will change it.
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>>15618974
They should license Liar-soft's vn that takes inspiration from Dungeons & Dragons. Oh well, maybe next year.
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>>15618923

Gahkthun didn't really sell THAT poorly. It did slightly more than break evenish at the start and eventually got a steamport, so by now I'd imagine it's probably classed as a (mild) success.
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>>15618917
The loli and teacher routes are more or less there for the porn. Makiba's especially has nothing to do with the plot IIRC.
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>>15618917
She kinda helped him in the end so I doubt she really hated him. And MC is not very likable person in the first place. Also you should read loli's H-scenes, they're funny as hell.
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>>15618923
I found it repetitive but it wasn't intolerable. Sharnoth was way shittier.
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>Basically every line of Gahkthun (again, at least as far as I got into it) earns itself several repetitions. Characters talk in circles about simple topics, as you might expect, but even worse are the flat monologues by the narrator. The visual novel’s first major scene involves a man cursing a ringing bell, which goes on (and on and on and on) for dozens of lines about how sinister the bell is, and how haughty the man. Even if these ideas were rendered in beautiful prose (they aren’t – the text has a rhythm, but it’s simply staggered and repetitive, and doesn’t employ the kind of evocative imagery, internal melody, or graceful phrasing that might bring this sort of repetition to life), they still wouldn’t earn this level of continuous re-emphasis. And this trend continues through every other element of the text.

gahkthun and koestl btfo
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>>15618759
Nobody likes episodic games. Pay 20 bucks up front and maybe get an ending in two, three years? Fuck that
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>>15618917
My interpretation is that she was secretly in love with MC.
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>>15619008
dungeon and daimeiwaku looks terrible.
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>Eiyuu*Senki - Picked up
Have played this and Gold in the past few weeks - rather cool for a porn game, but now I'm burned out. Anything else in the same vein (apart from Rance, of course) available?
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>>15619314
Have you played Bunny Black 1 and 2 yet?
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>>15619290
Still waiting for that WEE episode 3
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>>15619324
>Bunny Black
No, haven't heard of it before. Thanks for the recommendation!
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>>15618917
She didn't hate him per se, she just hated how much the MC was destroying the "Euphoria" experiment. After all, he was the one who Nemu was protecting and delaying all the despair she needed to create the new Euphoria.
After that, the lab was closed and Kanae tried to create another Euphoria with Nemu, but because of her mental state, my guess is that Kanae understood that she loved Nemu from the begining and was only protecting her for that reason.


Still, like the other anon said, the last part feels really rushed. I would like at least another hour or two of reading just to explain some shit.
And Rika/teacher routes are like foreshadowing of things, like Teacher's real job and how much batshit insane Rika can be if she was just dumped with the Clan/Nemu's faction
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>>15619382
Just a note; The gameplay is a huge bitch in the beginning. Dungeon-crawling is essentially SMT.

Very entertaining world and characters, though.
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>>15619394
Oh man rika route. Best mindbreak, even if the 2nd half of the story makes even less sense than the true route
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>>15619394
I think the virtue of Euphoria is that while the plot doesn't ever make much sense, it never gets boring. The pace is nonstop craziness and it keeps getting crazier and crazier.
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>>15619132
That's all Sakurai, dude. Wailing on a WAB game for repitition is like wailing on ice cream for being high in sugar.
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>>15619463
Yeah. Euphoria was my VNOTY hands down. Maybe I'll re-read it in one or two years or just watch the OVA.
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>>15613823
>Perseus
>well-regarded vns
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>>15613932
>The vns after Supipara have sold quite well and had much better reception in Japan.
That's because the Japanese are fucking children who will not buy VNs without naked tits in them.
And this is a fact.
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>>15619582
That and the nukige-esque factor of the H-scenes in the post-Supipara games. Which the English audience will get a taste of with Trinoline, I guess.
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>>15619582
Just like the west then.
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>>15619592
Trinoline seems geared toward the western audience , so I doubt it will be nukige-esque.
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>>15619601
The small snippets of the H-CGs seems to be in the completely same vein as the post-Supipara minori games.
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>>15619592
I found it hilarious how the OP for the next game after Supipara looked like it was done in Flash.
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>>15619582
>That's because the Japanese are fucking children who will not buy VNs without naked tits in them.

That's like half this thread though
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>>15619630
Well, the matter was poor sales in Japan so I didn't want to touch that part.
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Is the Steam meme finally dead?
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>>15619643
It should be. Ironically some of the best-selling vns on Steam are the ones that have porn.
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>>15619643
Steam was always full of tards.
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The cherry blossom effects seem to be killing performance on certain computers, not even toasters.

If my system has that issue I go into my Nvidia control panel and switch the game to run on the stronger GPU.
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>almost every recent release has flopped
How do we fix this guys?
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>>15620021
License vns that people will actually want to pay for.
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>>15620021
Quit targeting the Steam audience, since their buying behavior is too unpredictable. Release games that the core fanbase wants and just use Steam as extra sales.
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>>15614150
What was Mangagamer's DRM anyway? That soft denchi crap which doesn't even encrypt the whole executable?
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>>15620058
Yes.
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How do we stop the haro flooding our timeline (with BL to make it worse)?
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>>15620111
*unfollows* ;^)
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>>15620047
>Quit targeting the Steam audience
You are retard if you thinks Tokyo Babel, Fata and Gakhtun is what Steam audience wants.
Its clear as fucking day that they wants light-hearted shit with cute girls/boys.
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>>15620111
That BL looks fun. I really wanna know the name because I dont know those kanji.
Haro, if you are here, please tell me the name.
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>>15620148

Mashou Megane.

It's not BL. It's an otome game (picture related, it's the protag), and a pretty fucked up one at that.
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>>15620158
She's pretty darn kawaii
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>>15620158
Thanks Haro. You really hyped it for me with those facial expresion and art.
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>>15620111
I thought that was an otome based on a twisted version of Snow White.
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>>15620144
Just about everything put on Steam in the early days was successful regardless of what it was, so MG thought they could license whatever plotge's they wanted and that they would automatically profit because of Steam.

Gahkthun wasn't originally intended to have a Steam release, that only happened later because its initial sales weren't that good.
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>>15620179

It's really short, but the art's quite good and it's pretty interesting. The bad ends are a fucking riot too. All the VAs are strong, particularly the MC's in glasses-mode.

>>15620195

That's just this one route. It's all twisted fairytales. The prince from Snow White is a necrophiliac, Momotaro is a playboy who is literally fucking his animal followers, and Peter Pan except he's not actually Peter Pan has instituted the death penalty for anyone who dares to have sex in his domain. The MC's dakimakura came to life and lent her the magic glasses saying she could keep them if she went into the fairytale world and fixed one of the fucked up stories.
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>>15620213
> was successful regardless of what it was
I don't actually remember any successful edgy/2deep4you vns on Steam without anime adaptation. I can understand why they licensed Fata since its dirt-cheap and worth a try, but what the fuck they thought while licensing Tokyo Babel is beyond me.
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>>15620248
It was new, HD, and didn't have to be censored to be put on Steam. And for some reason Conjurer thought it was a kamige. Given it being all-ages only, it relied solely on the Steam audience for sales, which didn't pan out very well.
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>>15620144
>Its clear as fucking day that they wants light-hearted shit with cute girls/boys.
Also helps if it is cheapish as well. People on steam keep gobbling up anything cheap/on sale even if they have hundreds of games in their backlog unplayed. Most things expensive end up being ignored until it is on sale unless it has a big advertising campaign or is some AAA title.
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>>15620262
If you want to have a shot at mainstream success it has to be priced 10 bucks and have boobs in the steam icon. But even then I'm sure there's many who are content waiting for the next nekopara and won't buy titty cheap VN as well. There's no market there.
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>>15620257
Should have done Bullet Butlers or Evolimit instead. But who knows maybe Propeller didn't give MG an option in the matter and thought they could make the steambux using Tokyo Babel because it didn't need to have stuff cut like you said.
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>>15619687
Every post on the forum seems to be by a non-English speaker.

That being said there's literally zero marketing or hype for Supipara of any kind, so I don't see how anyone can expect it to do well.
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>>15620262
Okay, the key to success is to offer a cheap doujin vn with romance options that you can release a free 18+ patch for.
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>>15620288
>Should have done Bullet Butlers or Evolimit instead.
Those titles would sell as much as Tokyo Babel. Steam fags don't care how big of a name the VN has in Japan. At most, you'd get some attention from the VN community but as you should know, most of this community are pirates and the ones who pay, usually prefer moege. Not to say there aren't people who prefer more plot based VNs however, they're too few.
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>>15620288
At least they got that yuri game so its almost guaranteed that they make profit and maybe even compensate some losses from TB flop.
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>>15620288
MG chose to pursue Shadows of Pygmalion because BlackDragonHunt was such a fan it it (yuri). It's entirely possible that they thought Tokyo Babel had a good shot at being successful because prior to that all of their Steam releases had been successful. The translators may have played a part in it as well.
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>>15620317
They are 18+ at least and have much more interesting premises. And Bullet Butlers would've likely appealed to women as well due to the MC being an otome love interest personified.
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>>15620282
>But even then I'm sure there's many who are content waiting for the next nekopara and won't buy titty cheap VN as well. There's no market there.
If it is cheap and comes with an uncensored patch there will always be a market for it on steam. Though you probably won't make much money out of it unless you go for >>15620297 and buy some literally who doujin licenses or hope your game becomes some kind of meme.
I guess in the end you can kinda blame the steam sale culture for dashing most hopes of pricier things selling beyond a few exceptions. People are just use to buying things at $10 or less and are willing to wait until that price comes along due to how steam has 3 or 4 big sales a year with steep discounts.
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>>15620297
> the key to success is to offer a cheap doujin vn with romance options that you can release a free 18+ patch for.
Not true at all. KARAKARA and Corona Blossom sold like shit. Just accept that only reason Nekopara sold so good is because of its meme status and that there's in no such thing as Steam vn market.
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>>15620338
Indeed. If you are going to price something $40 it better have the pull. Steins; Gate is going to do great once it releases, but otherwise good luck actually getting the masses to buy your game.
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>>15620361
Their 18+ patches weren't free and licenses for those was likely costly at least for Karakara due to popular VA. They are also perceived as cheap clones of Nekopara. People have said that Karakara is simply too short and boring.
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>>15620361
Didn't they make it so you had to buy the 18+ patch separate for a cost? Pretty sure that helped tank them
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>>15620361
Karakara's kinetic.

There have been successful vn launches this year. Kindred Spirits for one. An English yuri sold over 5,000 copies. And the recent doujin with gameplay, Just Deserts, has done pretty well too.
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>>15620394
>>15620397
>18+ patches weren't free
My bad. Still,I'm pretty sure that they also would tanked with free 18+ patches, maybe not so hard. The point is that not a single game in the future would have the same sales numbers as Nekopara, short or not. 2000-3000 copies would be considered as huge success for vn in the future.
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Yikes, Supipara has really dropped down the list of top selling vns.
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>>15620144
The Steam audience wants cheap games. If it costs more than 20 bucks it needs to have an anime adaptation or be otherwise really well known.
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>>15620475
Do you think the president of minori is having ptsd right now
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>>15620546
> The Steam audience wants cheap games.
Nah, you just need to sales games they actually want. Princess Evangile, Yuri Ghost and Ozmafia sold very good despite not being dirt-chip 1$ shit.
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>>15620611
Yuri and otome are really niche in the western market currently, so obviously they're willing to pay more. Princess Evangile was one of the first moeges released on Steam. It was released around when vns were still selling really well on Steam too, so it may not have been as successful if it launched this year. And Kindred Spirits was marketed as "support porn on Steam"!
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Supipara now has trading cards, but those tend to help sales most when they're present at launch. The title being a flop is also less likely to make people want to spend money on cards and BGs for it, so the people banking on those items will most likely steer clear of it. Tokyo Babel's economy was dead at launch too.
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Supipara seems to be having some issues.

>Screenshot Fuction
>Screenshot fuction is broken as , same problem as Karakara. It does not work in window mode at all.

>Works fine in full screen, but in Window mode, it's broken.
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>>15620403
But Just Deserts have sold half as good as Karakara. Which shows how much the adult content matters.
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>>15620900
Are you using Steamspy when it's already been established that those numbers are wrong in that range?
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>>15620900
Karakara has been out a month longer and the difference is only a few hundred copies. The gap will obviously close.
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>>15620213
Naturally. First purchases was for getting VNs on Steam. Then when there were more titles to choose from people swapped to supporting the kind they want more of. Moege and adult games.

I'm still surprised how Frontwing could miss the market completely with their Corona Blossom. Nobody wants a 10 dollar unrelated porn gallery patch. That will probably ensure Sharin's failure.
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>>15620910
Yes, because I do it for both. Or do you want to claim they have an algorithm that gives random numbers that is always lower for Just Deserts? Smart algorithm.
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>>15620920
The creator says the program is useless for games that sell under 30k copies because the numbers jump around in the thousands. Devs have said how they hate it when people use it because it gives them wrong ideas about how games sell. Good Haro even brought this up on twitter.

You're also ignoring that Karakara has been out a month longer.
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>>15620920
Remember when it showed that Tokyo Babel's sales doubled in a day? Or when Fata Morgana went from an estimated 1,500 sales to an estimated 500 sales?
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MG should Da Capo 1 and 2 on Steam.
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>>15620930
Hey, GPS works by averaging signals that were well below the noise floor. If you take enough measurements you can measure things that have high uncertainty.
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>>15620940
Devs have repeatedly said the numbers are wrong. Why do you insist on using flawed data? The program doesn't have enough data for accurate predictions in that range.
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>>15620930

Yeah, SteamSpy is legitimately pretty unreliable. Some days, for some titles, it gets creepily close (like within a digit or two accurate), but the numbers fluctuate pretty wildly and the accuracy varies a lot depending on the game and the day, and without access to actual numbers you really have no way of knowing whether it's remotely accurate or not. Like, there are a couple of MG's games that it consistently under-reports but a pretty significant margin for some reason (I think it might have something to do with how they collect the data and the audience for these titles behaving in a different way, but no way to confirm that).

Honestly, the most you can really get out of it is the general order of magnitude sales are in (though even that can be completely wrong sometimes) and and change over time (if you're actually tracking that yourself). Even if you're just trying to compare like MG games against each other it's often wrong except for like GGN being at the top.
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>>15620939
Da Capo 1 needs an undated translation and it's old. Da Capo 2 is better, but would they bother with it now that Steam isn't doing so hot?
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>>15620949
Well, it only uses public profiles so maybe the owners of such titles are shamed and put theirs private.
I too live in shame for owning a bunch of SP games on steam, but I'm also not going to delete them because I have nothing to gain from that.
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>>15620984
They random sample accounts. Obviously that's going to cause some major static in the numbers.
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>>15621019
Did some meme youtuber pick up Sonicomi?
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>>15621029
Probably. Fanservice can sell just as well as porn can.

For the the rest of the list it's memes and gameplay titles.
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>>15621019
I see the Danganronpa anime that's airing is having an effect.
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>>15621040
I've seen people who "hate anime" recommend Danganronpa. It's like a quirkier Ace Attorney.
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>>15621055
I've heard the gameplay in Despair Girls is pretty shit, but that the story and characters are good. You need to understand it because the characters from it appear in the anime. You'll be so lost if you don't know who they are.
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>>15621115
What's with all the down sizing?
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>>15620930
I think it has less to do with 30k and more to do with time. It polls 150k accounts per day and probably do some weighted calculations on that.

So comparing Karakara and Just Desert is probably not as terrible as you may think. Both are new VNs that have very few sample points, but both games are likely to be purchased by the same people (since both are cute girl VNs).

But Just Deserts can only win this comparison if it actually did sell better.
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>>15621122
maybe they realized having a PR guy is useless as long as dovac lives.
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>>15621115
Maybe SP is quitting VN localization 4 realz.
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>>15621157
Just Deserts has only been out for a week. Karakara has been out for over a month. I'd give it a few more months before comparing them.
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>Just Deserts already on erogedownload

Twitter meltdown when?
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>>15621176
All-ages Indonesian vn with pretty bad English voice acting on erogedownload why? Seriously, Cornelia's voice is the worst.
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>>15621173
For sampling, sure. But we all know how much MangaGamer goes on about how all the sales are the first week and then it stops.
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>>15621190
It's not even in the list of top sellers for visual novels, sales have already more or less stopped.
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>>15621167
If they can't get Baldr Sky's finished translation and have to start from scratch, they may as well.
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>>15621190
That's only on their site. Steam works differently.
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>>15621019
> SoniComi is actually successful
I just can't bear this anymore.
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>>15621311
Well it's an actual game for starters
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>>15621311
Release date: Jul 1, 2016
Price: $34.99
Score rank: 90% Userscore: 94%
Owners: 5,307 ± 1,893

It's full price and beat just about every story vn released on Steam.
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>>15621311
I'm going to pirate it someday. But only because I own the Japanese game for PS3 and don't feel like paying twice.

It was terribly awkward to play. They could have made it less of a job to be a photographer and more of a pose game.
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>>15621190
Just Deserts is surging up the chart as people are spreading the word about it and it still has youtubers jumping on it. Looks like it's well on its way to becoming a meme.
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>>15621287
>some guy named Cudora releases a translation before then
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If we look at what's going on with Sekai Project as a ripple effect, it's possible that dealing with Aroduc pushed dovac over the edge and he finally snapped. At which point, Aroduc killed Sekai Project. Really makes you think.
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>>15621401
Always bet on Aroduc
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>>15621401
He truly is the hero we deserve.

I think it was the temper tantrum he threw with the guys hosting a patch though.
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>>15621414
Yes, but he's been stressed since AX. Fans reacted badly to Baldr being announced, Aroduc wasn't making striking a deal for the translation of it easy, and Karakara sold below expectations and had a heavily pirated 18+ patch, on top of the fans complaining about the price of the 18+ patch. Then to top everything off, some cheeky warez guy talks about how he created a pirate patch for your recent vn and gives you the runaround for him taking it down. Honestly, dovac's had a shitty month. Though his behavior is obviously wrong given his position.
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>>15621440
>Though his behavior is obviously wrong given his position.
This is why you always have a PR guy
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>>15621525
He fired them after this incident.
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>>15621525
PR guy was fired today.
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>>15621562
>>15621569
Why? Dovac is clearly hopeless when it comes to controlling it's emotions
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>>15621582
Who knows. Maybe they dared to tell dovac that he's wrong, or its just matter of pushing responsibility to someone (dovac to board: "yes, we had little PR incident, but person responsible was already fired!"), or maybe dovac just vented his anger on poor guy.
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>>15621599
Guys.

Two have been fired since Saturday.
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>>15621599
He should've went with "my twitter account was hacked and none of these responses reflect my views and opinions at all". Of course people who know his personality already know that it was him.
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>>15621606
It's probably not over a twitter meltdown but it would be funny if it were. Since it's dovac here it's possible. Most likely restructuring.
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>>15621754
-Sekai's sales start to drop, so they need to cut costs somewhere.

-He realizes that Sekai's PR is bad no matter what, so he decides to cut the PR guys.

Makes sense
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>>15621599

It's also possible he quit on his own when he realized that managing PR is basically impossible so long as dovac has a twitter.
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>>15621785
Why assume these people were fired?

No one here thinks that the PR guy got sick of picking up the pieces every time after Dovac alienates half the fanbase?
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>>15621834
Because that's what Herkz said.
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>>15621850
>>15621834
They were fired without notice, going by their twitters.
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>>15621834
I guarantee you that the conversation went

>You need to calm down. These are huge problems because you make them huge problems.
>If you're taking their side, then you shouldn't work here.
>Wait, what?
>Fuck off. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
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>>15621754
>Most likely restructuring.
But all these shills claimed that being in red means that he swims in cash, just keeps expanding assets and staff, how can he keep growing if he's doing layoffs?
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It would be funny if Baldr Sky made Sekai bankrupt. Kamige indeed.
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If Sekai dies, what will you guys shitpost about though?
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>>15622033
They'll run a Kickstarter and use the money from it to try to address other shit, and just hope they can get another big license in a year to do it all over again.
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>>15622038
Fuwa, reddit, Steam, etc. The possibilities are endless!
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>>15622038
Fuwa machine translations.
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>>15622038
>>15622052
>>15622054
Yeah, we'll go back to complaining about machine translations. I almost miss shitting on fuwa honestly.
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Guess who's feeling emo again.
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>>15622074
I wouldn't be surprised if he posts tomorrow saying "gotcha!" Does a public apology resolves to do better in the future.
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>>15622038
JAST "delayed" releases and MG never being able to sell plotge or kamige.
There's also always machine TL and /jp/'s favorite people, such as moogy or sana.
There is no end to shitposting material, and even if there was, more would come eventually anyway.
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>>15622086
>public apology
Has he ever done that? Has he ever admitted fault at all? All I ever remember is him blaming other people. At best, it's
>I'm sorry that THEY screwed us over and by extension, you.
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>>15622091
Didn't he say something about trying to do better after Baldr Sky was announced? Of course Karakara makes him think it was all in vain, so who knows what's going to happen.
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>>15622097
He left twitter for a couple weeks.

That was him trying to do better.

Then his ego and need to attention whore got to be too much and like usual came back and threw a tantrum.
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>>15622091
The closest he's ever come is some stuff he said during Baldr's shitstorm but he's definitely never apologized or definitively said he'll try and change things.

Doesn't matter now, since his recent tirade has destroyed whatever good faith those earlier tweets managed to make.
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>>15622091
He did once when he shitposted on /jp/ about MangaGamer's licenses. He vaguely apologized on Twitter.
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https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/751147659382038528
>July 7th
>I know you guys are passionate about the games and I know we've made mistakes in the past, we're a growing company.
>So if you're annoyed at us or hate us, that is fine, I hope one day you'll look back at this and give us another chance.

https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/759289280652976128
>July 30th
>I can't wait to exit this market. Jesus christ.
>FUN FACT DID YOU KNOW OUR FIRST GOALS IN THE COMPANY WAS NOT TO DO VISUAL NOVELS AT ALL

Dovac.jpg
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>>15618877
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>>15622134
What you didn't see was Dovac messaging me on July 8th to rant at me privately. In my opinion, the July 7th rapprochement was merely a political stunt to quell the fan backlash over Baldr Sky, which was actually endangering the GIGA partnership. For him, doing nothing wasn't an option.
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>>15622216
>Dovac messaging me on July 8th to rant at me privately

Share with the class
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>>15618877
see this is what happens when you don't listen to moogy and try to translate impossible stuff
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I'm looking at SP's staff page, and I could swear they had a guy who was named for 'programming'? I don't see anyone's profile mentioning that, so have they actually fired 3 people already?

Should've taken screenshots earlier...
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moogy doesn't know Japanese.
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>>15622264
Internet Archive? Google cache?
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>>15622260
Guy went into it expecting a visual novel written in a regular format and he gets a really long poem. I could see him being confused, though that's not a reason to say that the writing is objectively shit.
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>>15622260
>when you don't listen to moogy and try to translate impossible stuff
nobody should listen to moogy ever
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>>15622281
I agree. He said that Fata Morgana would be a hit. He also said that a no-name lolige like Himawari is a kamige.

No one's hyped for Himawari. And the few that are lose their interest when they find out it's an all-ages release.
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>>15622310
>when they find out it's an all-ages release.
i honestly don't give a shit
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I'm just worried that about what'll happen to Baldr Sky if Sekai implodes. Not sure how safe a fan translation might be from legal repercussions.
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>>15622310
I don't care about all-age versions if the original had garbage porn, which Himawari did.
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>>15622322
Kamige are not to be translated. Let this be a warning.
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>>15622322
oh dear, who could this Cudora person be?
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>>15618877

Gahkthun is overrated trash. I wish people would stop going on about the fucking prose like it was something special.
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>>15622393

What's a "kamige" is decided by translators. Except most translators have shit taste, once a “kamige” is translated their shit taste is revealed to English only readers.

Then they hide behind “can’t be translated. Shit gets lost in translation. Need to read in original language” excuses.
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>>15623011
>“can’t be translated. Shit gets lost in translation. Need to read in original language”
That either means the translator sucks at their job as most things can be translated without losing much or it's the once in the blue moon when it's true
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>>15623011
But Aroduc turned Kamidori into a Kamige of a whole new level. Eushully can only dream nowadays to have even a semblance of such godlike writing :^)
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>>15622324
Porn was fine. Though lately I have been thinking that if original lacked voices, the new all-ages might actually be an improvement.
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>>15623438
>I think a modern remake might be better than a decade old doujin version

wow great thinking anon
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If sekai goes under i hope its after they finish releasing the 18+ versions of the Grisaia trilogy
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>all these newfags complacent with the vn localization industry
Disgusting. I buy only the original VNs and download fan translation (or full English localization with restoration patches if they're good enough). I'll give MG credit though, they have gotten surprisingly less jewish lately. If they would take a stand against SJW fucks I would buy from them, since their translations have improved considerably over the years.

I'd rather we go back to no localization companies at all though, just like I'd rather there were no crunchyroll or funi simulcasting.
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>>15623671
>I'd rather we only got garbage machine translations
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>>15623671
>If they would take a stand against SJW fucks I would buy from them, since their translations have improved considerably over the years.
They released Euphoria uncensored, didn't care for the guy complaining about the Satoko sprite and will release Maggot Baits uncensored. Not to mention how they got Gahkthun and Yurirei on Steam uncensored. They're doing a good work.

It's too bad so few of their titles sell well. They deserve better.
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>>15623671
>I'd rather we go back to no localization companies at all though
That's not gonna happen. There's money to be made in vns. And it's gotten so that even the Japanese devs themselves are starting to self publish in the west. The days of fan translations are mostly dead, it's time to accept that.
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>>15623702
MG need to create a better deal for buying.

I believe MGs best bet would be to rework their system so buying a game lets you add 1 point of priority to wishlisted games.

Imagine if buying ANY game would increase the chances of your favorite game being translated? As it is now, buying a game of a different company LOWER chances that your favorite game gets translated.

Moderately ranked titles could also get indiegogo flexible campaigns to pay part of the cost so that we get more titles even if they publishers themselves don't want to pay all the cost.

Right now I avoid buying games like Gahkthun so MG doesn't accidentally think I want more all-ages games when I want more nudity. The game isn't bad, but the MG game selection process is.
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>>15623768
What they really need is a way to gift VNs. Many people would buy funny shit for their friends.
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>>15623768
Their yearly licensing poll is where they look for demand at. And Gahkthun was marketed as having porn. Given that not all Japanese devs want their games licensed, your vote could be useless anyway.

They already said they don't do crowdfunding, because Japanese companies for the most part view it as unprofessional in Japanese culture. The crowdfunding bubble has also started to burst lately if you couldn't tell.
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>>15623768
I wish they would do a monthly poll of "Which of our work in progress localizations you are most likely to buy," and prioritize titles that remain in the lead. Also would be interesting for them to show us the results of such a poll. In any case I wish they would go ahead and release DC3XR as that's a game I'm willing to spend money on.

Also, when do people think the next MG sale would be? In 2014 they had one on August 10th and in 2015 they had one from August 16th to 31st. I've been buying VNs more often lately and I've been waiting for their sale to dump some money.
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>>15623787
Doddler is in the process of porting Da Capo 3. Work on it isn't done. It's hard to prioritize projects when each one is assigned a sole translator and it really depends on that translator's pace. It also depends if the Japanese devs are the one scripting it or not.
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>>15623787
That doesn't even make sense.

>Translator, your game lead the poll, so work extra hard this month.
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>>15623787
Dude, they just had a summer sale. Although, they should have an Otakon sale when hype is still fresh and many more people go to their website.
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>>15623792
>>15623795
I was talking about the scritping, porting, editing, etc work and not the translation.
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>>15623787
A poll will give far less accurate results than past sales data.
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>>15623787
Where on earth do you retards come up with these ideas?
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>>15623803
Editing is the same thing. It only has one editor per project. Scripting depends on when the Japanese devs get to it and MG can't control that, and if Doddler is doing it it can be slowed by his work for other companies. Da Capo 3 took so long to be ported because he was porting Grisaia for Sekai Project.
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>>15623812
NEETs have a lot of free time
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>>15623803
>Programmer, program harder.
>Editor, edit more fasterer.

You're still an idiot.
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>>15623768
>Right now I avoid buying games like Gahkthun so MG doesn't accidentally think I want more all-ages games when I want more nudity. The game isn't bad, but the MG game selection process is.

You guys have some really weird ideas about how we select games to pursue for licensing. I've said this before, but there isn't some thoughtless computer program that dictates licenses based on some contextless lump of data. Actual staff talk about things and make arguments and suggestions. No one makes these bizarre overly granular arguments you guys keep coming up with (no one would argue that Gahkthun sales = "we need less titty", if anything it'd be "we should get more of the steampunk series").

>>15623787

You can just look at Twitter. I ask what people are looking forward to most every time we do an update round, but short of throwing more staff at games they're not going to go faster (be it loc or programming or whatever).
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>>15623818
I believe he means assign TWO programmers and editors to the popular titles and stop work on the unpopular ones. Taking lessons from JAST in releasing things quickly.
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>>15623768
>Imagine if buying ANY game would increase the chances of your favorite game being translated?
That system wouldn't work, because you're not going to buy the game you voted for more than once, therefore everyone who buys things should only get 1 vote ever.
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>>15623829
More or less. Popular and impressive big name titles should take priority over titles not many people are willing to play or buy.
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Sometimes I'm glad nobody pays attention to this shit heap
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>>15623829
>>15623846
That would make things messy, since it would fuck up the editing and programming consistency.

>How'd you break this code?
>I didn't, I bet you did.
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>>15623784

In a sea of retardation, this is a shining diamond of a good idea.

>>15623803

Editing already happens concurrently(usually), and they can't do insertion until everything's done anyway.

I guess they could start whipping doddler
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>>15623846
Now they have something licensed translated and being held up indefinitely so two editors can and programmers can trip over each other. Over an internet poll where everyone is always super honest. Nice.
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Now I really want to see what kind of suggestions people gaves MG in their poll. I think I'd get some good laughs out of it if this thread is any indication.
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>>15623768
This is cool idea. "Translation points" would certainly increase my motivation to buy stuff from them.

>>15623784
It would lead to fraud like it happened with steam codes.
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>>15623891
Purchase points wouldn't work, because the title could likely flop if a minority of people kept voting for it. It's like stuffing a ballot box. That doesn't mean it would sell well when it came out.
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>>15623900
Voting == spending dollars. If someone is willing to spend 10000$ by buying everything he can in 10 copies to make his favorite untranslated game, its certainly profitable to get it translated, since he already covered all the costs.
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>>15623849
They don't?
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>>15623903
No, because the devs of the game being voted for didn't see any of the 10000$ that MG got from the other games being purchased.
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>>15623908
Devs get usual licensing fees from MG. And "our customers spent XXX dollars worth of votes to bring your game to top in our wishlist ranking" would certainly make it easier to persuade devs.
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>>15623903
Some vns can't be licensed because the devs have no interest and other issues.

The list would be thousands of vns that people would all vote for. People would quit voting when they realized that nothing they wanted was being translated. People have much too varied taste for this to work. It could easily be abused by a minority of people as well.
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>>15623912
MG doesn't pay licensing fees upfront. They split the revenue that vn makes. Has the Supipara campaign taught you nothing?
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>>15623914
How could buying shit end up abusing anything?
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>>15623922
Sabotaging other games by charging them back and making them look high risk. Spamming people to vote for your favorite vns. Or a small group of NRT nukige purchasers make the most and MG would license nothing but NTR nukige.
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>>15623827
>Actual staff talk about things and make arguments and suggestions.

And the argument has never included "the last game sold really well"? It carries no weight when discussing with partners to get new titles if their previous titles sold or not?

I'd just feel better if I could buy games and make my wallet vote for specific games. Having one vote among thousands of pirates is not making it easy to get my favorite games translated. But if I could beat those pirates in purchasing MG games and get my games, it would be awesome.
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>>15623912
Game gets 2,000 votes, but only makes 500 sales would be a big problem that would obviously come up.
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>>15623907

I suppose that depends on if you consider coming here for a laugh as paying attention.

Perhaps he'd be better off saying that atleast no one's stupid enough to actually listen to anyone here.
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>>15623921
Supipara was experiment. Most devs prefer upfront payment, and cost sometimes is so high that MG had to license only parts of games (KnS1, Koihime Musou)
>>15623926
>charging them back
That's crime most people aren't going to commit. Not to mention that account and associated info (Name, address, CC number, email and so on) would be instantly banned on first chargeback.
>small group of NRT nukige purchasers make the most and MG would license nothing but NTR nukige
If small NTR group can invest more money into MG than anyone else, then its very logical to start catering for them.
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>>15623930

Yeah we absolutely make arguments using sales data and sales do matter to partners, but you guys come up with the most bizarre correlations between things that no one in their right mind would be arguing (like this Gahkthun example is straight up crazytown).

If you're really that concerned about "voting with your wallet for a specific game" feel free to e-mail support after you buy something and explain what you want.
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>>15623841
You are missing the point.

If I buy 10 extra games from MG to get 1 game I want, it means MGs partners got more money. If everyone did this, every partner would be getting more money as a synergy effect.

Basically while my favorite partner gets no more money from me than before, they get money from other fans of other companies.

And best of all, we get more games that buyers want, instead of games pirates want.
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>>15623930
If they would do customer-only voting at all, everyone would only get 1 vote. They can't have the same people always stacking the deck in their favor. There's also a limit on what can even be licensed.

>>15623939
Baseson didn't break even on its investment until Koihime Musou voiceless sold 1,000 sales. It was stated in an interview that MG usually doesn't pay licensing fees upfront. They split sales revenue instead, which makes the voting system futile.
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>>15623939
>Not to mention that account and associated info (Name, address, CC number, email and so on) would be instantly banned on first chargeback.

You know you can just fire up tor and go buy a whole load of stolen numbers for 0.08btc right
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>>15623908
You think only one game would be voted for? You don't think people have different favorite games? It would even out and everyone would benefit from the system.

(Except the really worst trash games)
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>>15623964
You know that its federal crime that could land you in prison for decade, right?
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>>15623969
Not if you live in Brazil apparently.
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>>15623969

Chances of getting caught would be slim to nothing, especially considering their payment gate isn't in america.
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The voting system would be controlled by a small minority of people, so it will never be implemented due to how problematic it is. It would drive away all other vn fans. It would only be favored by people who think they can control it.
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>>15623946
Less of a concern and more of a motivation. If contacting support is enough, why bother buying games? I can just periodically send them questions like "When do you think I will be able to buy game X?"
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>>15623991

It's very simple: just buy the games you like.
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>>15623991
Send your purchase codes with it and show them how much you spend. They can look at your account and see how much you've spent.
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This voting system is one of the dumbest ideas I've heard on /jp/. Good work.
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>>15623991
>"When do you think I will be able to buy game X?"

>We currently have no plans for that.
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Although it won't matter since this thread's going to be dead by tomorrow due to all the highly intelligent discussion, it looks like kouryuu'll be back on that literally who podcast/show that he was on a couple months ago with haro. Looks like it's just him alone this time though.
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I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned that MG's ghetto website couldn't support such a system anyway.
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Does anyone have a collection of screenshots of shit dovac fucks up, or just him being retarded in general?
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Has MG ever approached Orcsoft? they have some good titles i think would do well.

https://vndb.org/v10726
https://vndb.org/v18279
https://vndb.org/v8461
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>>15624060
Dwarfsoft seemed better (second link). Wouldn't even pirate the other titles.
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>>15624060
All of that looks disgusting
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>>15624060
I don't think there's many blind visual novel customers.
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>>15623999
When?

Because there is no incentive to buy them now. If buying them now meant something, it would speed up sales.
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Dovac no longer posts in Sekia discord
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>>15620394
>Their 18+ patches weren't free
The 18+ patches are a few scenes but they cost as much as the whole game. It's a rip-off
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If you wanted a good time, I bet you could go post this over on /haniho/.

Despite this tweet though, I kind of get the feeling that mangagamer'll announce rance 01 and that it's what maria's working on. I guess there's a small chance they could announce bother though.
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>>15624006
I want to know what happened in that anons life to make him capable of such ideas. Why is he like this?
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>>15624106
Quit trying to pitch your shitty voting point idea. You either support the titles you like or you don't, but don't go trying to control the system like a dictator.
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>>15624060

Mizuryuu Kei is great, hope he works on more VNs. About titles to bring over, should look whats popular on sadpanda?
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>>15624125
The full game is $20 in Japan. You assholes wanted dual releases and inflated prices is what you'll get.
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>>15624152
The Japanese also pay $80 for stuff that gets released in the west for $35-$40, so I don't see how that matters.
They should have just made the game $15-$20 and made the patch free if they really wanted to make money. Not even Steam users are dumb enough to pay $10 for a patch they can get for free.
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>>15624128
It was either a short short vn, or Rance VI.
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>>15624106
>there is no incentive to buy them now
Are you serious? Every sale matters in an industry this small. How is this hard to understand?
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>>15624106

She's trying to make the point that you should just buy what you like, because at the end of the year koji hotta takes a look at all the stuff that sold at a successful threshold and makes approaches from there. One genre's success doesn't take priority over another, if there's money, they'll try and make it. Therefore not buying a title out of a fear of sending the wrong message is ridiculous.
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>>15624132>>15624140
t. increasingly nervous plotge-pirating faggot
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>>15624160
>The Japanese also pay $80 for stuff that gets released in the west for $35-$40
That's because the west didn't get those vns until several years after they'd been released. The cost of them in Japan had dropped by then. New vn=premium price
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>>15624168
There is no way you're actually this deluded. You even had someone who works for MG tell you that your idea is bad in this thread. What more do you need?
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>>15624169
Dovac pls go.
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>>15624161

Yes, that is pretty much the conclusion to be had there. I really feel like mangagamer's otakon announce is rance 01, so I'd put my money on it being something short.
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-MG wants to make vns more inclusive for fans of different genres.

-Some anon wants an extremely small group of otaku to control all the licensing decisions.

This points don't match up well.
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>>15624169
>The cost of them in Japan had dropped by then.
That nearly never actually happens the price will be the same as on release even years later.
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>>15624140
Feel free to offer a better solution to increase motivation to buy games from MG.

Because right now the difference between buying and pirating seem to be zero.
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>>15624194
The difference is that if you dont buy the company dies and no more VNs for you.
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>>15624194
If everyone pirated games then they wouldn't even stay in business. They look at sales trends and license more of what sells well. Just because they also license games you don't like doesn't mean that they aren't taking your purchases into account.
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>>15624194
>Because right now the difference between buying and pirating seem to be zero.
>seem to be zero
Dude, you want more VN? Then buy shit. Fantranslation are almost dead (and even then, they're machine translation or very shitty for the most part) and I guess every person in MG will never do something if they go bankrupt.
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>>15624194

If you're gonna pirate shit, just pirate it. Coming up with a convoluted excuse like this is ridiculous.
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>>15624152
you know that Japan and west are different markets? There is a lot of factors, but usually the price isn't equal.
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>>15624194
How many times do you need to be dropped on your head as a child to think your idea even counts as a 'solution'?
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>>15624243
They're going to gouge the otaku of Japan and they don't want to piss their fanbase off by giving gaijin a better price on the same vn at launch. The dream the dual language releases will die soon because of this.
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>>15624235
>>15624212
You do know that there are other companies localizing games right? I know /jp/ is disgustingly pro-MG to the point of orbiting Haro, but MG dying isn't going to end localization.
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>>15624237
No, he's saying that his opinions are superior and his purchases should count more than everyone elses.
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If MG wants a mega success they should do Galaxy Angel or something similar. Any VN with that kind of space gameplay will do better then everything they ever did. The reason for that is that people who are not even interested would also buy it just for the space shit.
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>>15624265
Sekai is exiting the market, JAST is slow as fuck, degica is targeting Steam, and the others mostly license cheap indie vns.

If they all die or quit releasing vns I want I'll just go back to playing RPGs.
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>>15624265
What you are going to buy from Sekai or wait ages for JAST ?
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>>15624194
> Because right now the difference between buying and pirating seem to be zero.
That's not true, you retard. Just look at MG last announces. They clearly reacting to what selling well. PE sold good so they announced two new moege. Ozmafia sold good and you have two more fujobait game. Same with Maggot Bait as Euphoria showed strong interest in extreme fetish game. Stop being faggot and buy games.
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>>15624265
It probably would, honestly.
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>>15624265
Yeah. But is the one who release more japanese VNs. You can also buy Sekai/Degica/Jast if you want to.
You can also buy all the EOLVN in that way.
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>>15624275
Lel no, games are 640 x 480 and the art style alone would drive most people away.
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>>15624275
Why when Aroduc already fantranslated it? It's super old too.
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>>15624298
Steam people dont know that.
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>>15624214
It is not about disliking their new licenses, it is missing the old partners licenses.

I want more Caramel Box, but the company is as good as dead. I want more Baseson games, but it is as good as dead. I want more Score games, but it is as good as dead. I want more Navel, but they are the deadest ever.

Apart from Navel I even own all existing games of the companies. It isn't possible to improve their sales without new titles.

I can buy new and good games, but how will I ever get them to revist old partners?
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>>15624306

The steam meme is dying though
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>>15624308
I think some of their old partnerships are dead because of how poorly their early titles sold. I was surprised that Liquid came back with Kuroinu. Baseson's vns are too expensive to license. Navel quit the English market because new management there didn't want to bother with it and so on.
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>>15624298
Also being old doesn't stop people from buying, many old games that got ported to Steam are doing well, plus the licence cost for older games should be less so it will take less for them to brake even. I can see Galaxy Angel or similar games go over 30K easy.
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>>15624341
What on earth are you smoking nigga
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>>15624341
I doubt even Baldr would do over 30k even if it wasn't being censored.
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>>15624308
I heard that Score died. And their only decent title that MG didn't already translate was ZettaiMaou ~Boku no Mune-kyun Gakuen Saga~, which more than likely falls into the too expensive to license category as well.
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>>15624325
That is why I m saying they should do this, while VNs on Steam dont sell as much as they used to Galaxy Angel would be consider as a game rather then VN by many of the space fanatics. So it would be popular even among people who are not into VNs.
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>>15624341
The smallest resolution for Steam is 800x600, anything below that is considered ridiculous.
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>>15624354
nigga what
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>>15624354
They could just license a much newer vn with gameplay and make way more money than licensing the fossil that is Galaxy Angel.
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>>15624348
Not to be rude, but shouldn't it be cheap to localize dead company games? If they have already given up they would probably settle for cents.
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>>15624341
What games are you talking about? The only one I can think of is Planetarian, a 10 buck kinetic novel.
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>>15624375
The rights would have shifted to another Japanese company. And the voice acting fees would still be enormous because the studio doesn't own the rights to them.
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>>15624374
Well in the first post I did say Galaxy Angel or something like it, if they can find something new with similar gameplay it would do even better.
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This is without a doubt the dumbest VNTS I've had the pleasure of participating in in recent history.
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>>15624386
Talking about games not VNs, mostly old RPGs with shit graphics that still do well after getting a Steam port.
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>>15624401
I blame the autists that have appeared recently. I wouldn't be surprised if MG staff quits posting here and reading the thread entirely.
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>>15624333

Nexton's still got a stake in mangagamer so far as I know, so liquid coming back isn't too surprising. Theoretically score could pop back up if there's a reason.

Who knows, maybe that NTR-or-lolige title is crayon tulip after years of flirting with the idea.
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Also just look at Sunrider, even with shitty space gameplay its still doing better then many VNs.
Space is where its at if you want good money on Steam.
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>>15624401
It's a new low for quality discussion but a record high for both intentional and unintentional shitposts I believe
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>>15624407
Steam doesn't guarantee success.

I'm beginning to see why dovac doesn't ask the fanbase what titles they want jfc.
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>>15624401
It was a fun few days, at least. And a break from Yuuki autist. Now we have some new autists to enjoy until the thread dies.
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>>15624407
Surely you're referring to trails and those games are an exception not the rule.
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>>15624419
I know that, I m just saying what kind of things would do well on Steam. If you dont believe me do your own research and you see.
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>>15624413
Kouryuu debunked Crayon Tulip in an ask.fm post. He also said that red backpacks could get them in trouble legally. They have to be able to convincingly argue that the characters aren't children.
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>>15624412

That seems like a strange thing to worry about. The only one who pays attention is haro, and that's because she's paid to. Anyone else is just posting because she pointed out something to them.
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>>15624419
dovac doesn't ask because he thinks feedback is insulting because he is a huge babby.
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>>15624443
(you)
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>>15624439

That was literally years ago anonymous, before they even sold mikan. I think he even made a post a few months after that saying it wasn't impossible, but just a matter of risk vs income.

Standards seem to have changed since then.
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>>15624459
Mikan's heroine wasn't even a true loli, which you'd know if you read it. She's a grown woman who looks young.
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>>15624469

Yeah, but haro was shilling it with those "support this if you want to see titles featuring younger heroines" blogposts so it seems like it was testing the waters to me. And it ended up selling pretty well if I recall.
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>>15624477
There's a cutoff point that the heroine would look too young for them to even attempt and Crayon Tulip definitely crosses it. I don't see them resurrecting a dead company just to release a loli vn.
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>releasing Galaxy Angel on Steam
Fuck, have you even tried to play that game on a modern computer? I for one had to use Japanese locale, administrator mode, Windows 95 compatibilty mode, and even then I had to set my graphics card to never stretch because it still wouldn't work unless I went full screen, and I still got random spikes of lag. And this was on Windows 7. They'd practically have to reprogram the whole thing from scratch to not have it implode on a Windows 10 computer with a player who doesn't even know how what applocale is.
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>>15624511
You only ran into a few minor issues that I'm sure are easily fixable in no time at all.
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>>15624511
Works fine on Windows 7 for me, and only had problems for the first one on Windows 8.
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>>15624489

Like I said, I'm pretty that sure kouryuu literally answered another ask.fm question a few months after that one specifically about crayon tulip where he backtracked it to "Well it's not that it's -impossible- it's just a matter of money vs the risk involved", and this was literal years ago. Nowadays in comparison we've got imopara 2 with that so called impossible red backpack.

I just wouldn't be surprised is all. Only thing that really seems contrary to that would be the age of the title, but hey, kuroinu is only 800x600 and they'll be releasing that well into next year.
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>>15624412
That isn't a bad thing because it would cool down the MG circlejerk that has developed here
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>>15624530
Most of the heroines in Imopara 1 had huge boobs or didn't look that young besides the twins. They're more like token lolis than the main focus. ImoPara 2 has only one loli, because the daughter of the other twin looks more mature too.
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I think most people who are into jap stuff dont care about resolution, but anyway wasn't there a question about it in that MG survey ? So thanks to it MG should know if its good to go for old titles or not.
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>>15624556
I'm sure most people filling out the survey don't give a shit about older titles other than the games with 0 chance to get localized, like Fate.
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>>15624556
It said that people had a slight preference for HD titles, but it wasn't the only factor when deciding what titles to purchase. I personally wouldn't go below 800x600 no matter what the title is, because anything less is just too small on a modern monitor.
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>>15624540
It's not a circlejerk, the truth is MG is the lesser evil, unless you prefer Dovac's autistic meltdowns.
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>>15624564
Correct that.

>the majority of respondents demonstrated a moderate preference for HD graphics
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>>15624554

And that token loli is literally sporting an elementary schooler's backpack. The point is that standards have shifted from three years ago when that question got asked, and as I've said twice now, kouryuu himself backtracked it not long after he said that with
>Unless we have a lot of fans openly asking for such hardcore loli content and putting their dollars where their mouths are, it's not worth it when held up against other options.

Given how mikan was shilled as "buy this if you want to show support for lolige" and ended up being a success, It wouldn't surprise me.
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People who like the voting idea:
Why don't you just buy the title closest to what you like multiple times, and pirate everything else? You could even total up the value of what you're pirating and figure that into your number of purchases.

That way you get your "voice" and MG doesn't have to change their practices just to cater to you. And the "system" can't be trolled by lowlifes.
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>>15624598
Mikan also lost sales on being mosaic, so there is even bigger profits to be had if they bring over a demosaiced lolige.
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I'm going to laugh when it turns out to be a NRT vn from Lune or one of its imprints.
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>>15624610
The voting idea was mainly for people like myself who like to buy many VNs, but would like the next localized game to be more specified than "bring over whatever".
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>>15624645
*NTR
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>>15624647
Licensing isn't as clean cut as you make it sound. MG can be turned down or might not even be able to get their foot in the door if they don't have a connection to a certain dev. I doubt devs would wait patiently either while votes come in and be tallied. They could decide to self publish or go to a different publisher.
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>>15624647
Then just buy your favorite VN 30x instead of 30 VNs. If MangaGamer looks at sales to determine their future licenses, your dollar votes will count.
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>>15624661
What should I buy if I want Eushully games licensed?
Haruka? Then they will go bring some shit like Rance.
You can't express clearly what exactly you want licensed by just buying stuff, sales can be interpreted in too many different ways.
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>>15624683
That's what the yearly poll is for. And as Haro said just email them and tell them why you bought a certain title if it's so important to you.

There's no chance they'll get Eushually when they're in talks with SofthouseChara and already have Alicesoft.
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>>15624683
Seinarukana would probably be the closest match. Of course if you start crossing publishers (or even if you don't) then there's the question of "are the right people receiving compensation for the works I'm pirating". But well, them's the breaks, and I doubt many people would be doing this anyway. It's not like you can't still clamor for Eushully titles on the respective publishers' sites.
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>>15624683
Buy stuff you like and chill out. Learn moon if you really feel that strongly about some title/genre.
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>>15624683
>>What should I buy if I want Eushully games licensed?
Eushully is shit so you shouldn't want that anyway.
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>>15624701
>Seinarukana would probably be the closest match
The problem is that its' gameplay is shit compared to Kamidori for example.
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>>15624711
Everything in Seinarukana is shit
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>>15624718
Buy it to support JAST actually releasing anything.
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>>15624710
this desu, all of eushully's titles since kamidori has been just garbage, and the script quality just keeps getting worse and worse.
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>>15624711
You can't fixate on Eushully while they've expressed zero interest in the English market. You should satisfy yourself by broadcasting the message "I want gameplay eroge" and hope one of the publishers licenses a game you want. That's how these things work.
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Is JAST at Otakon ?
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>>15624837
No.
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>>15624837
>>15624848
The last thing they need is more work.
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MangaGamer should translate a few RPG Maker/WolfRPG games as side projects. They are usually short, easy to translate and easy on the technical side. The license for this kind of games is probably cheap too.
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Why SP keeps announcing games while they already have huge backlog? Also what happened with Ley Line? It was translated years ago, what the fuck Dovac waiting for? This is some JAST level bullish.
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>>15625010
>Why SP keeps announcing games while they already have huge backlog?
Gotta keep the kickstarters going to keep themselves afloat. When one or two finally fail, then that may be the beginning of the end.
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>>15625010
Sekai Project is more or less willing to say yes to every offer they get, be it from a Japanese company, an unknown and unproven doujin/indie company, or a fan translator. The Japanese companies all saw Nekopara/Sakura/Clannad/Grisaia and all figured that working with the company that released those was a good idea. It's only now with titles like Root Double, the second Grisaia title, and Karakara doing lackluster that Sekai is starting to show cracks, but momentum means there are probably a meaningful amount of new upcoming announcements before things begin to scale down in response to the reality of the market is slowing down.
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>>15624949
I would prefer more VN's with yandere heroines.
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https://twitter.com/Deoto/status/760544233568636928

lol, any ideas what the secret project is
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What MangaGamer needs to do at the highest priority is updated their store to today's standards.
If they want to be successfully they need a good looking store that is easy to navigate. If they cant do even this then there is no point it talking about making the market grow.
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>>15625239
The same goes for JAST and even J-list could use a update.
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>>15624354
Galaxy Angel's art is extremely extremely unappealing and it's all around outdated. It wouldn't sell for shit. Stop being delusional.
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>>15625328
The gameplay alone would make it sell.
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>>15625328
And the art isn't really that bad, its more a matter of opinion.
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>>15625328
Not as unappealing as Euphoria's art, and that somehow sold.
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>>15625495
>Euphoria
>unappealing
What the fuck?
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>>15624540
""circlejerk""
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>>15625466
>>15625478
>>15625495
(you)
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>>15625542
Nop, Euphoria dud was someone else.
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Stop posting.
Ignore autism that's not from the translators themselves.
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>>15625512
Probably eye cancer.
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Also while I m speaking of Galaxy Angel aside from everything I said above it got a few anime series and a manga making it rether well know among anime veterans. So ye Space + Anime and Manga + fun gameplay = instant success.
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>>15625606
> Space + fun gameplay = instant success.
Why Yumina flopped than?
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>>15625606
Umineko is far better known and it wasn't a smash hit on Steam, and despite the Galaxy Angel trilogy being fantranslated for years by a well known fantranslator, at a time when there were far fewer translated visual novels, it has not picked up much of a following.
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>>15625632
Fun gameplay isn't what I'd use to describe Yumina.
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>>15625686
Storyline battles were pretty fun. The dungeon grinding not so much.
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>>15625632
>>15625671
Because Yumina is different, only the later half of the game is in space and the gameplay is not interesting enough for for people who are not into VNs. Also main reason is its not on Steam.

For Umineko its not Sci-Fi with gameplay

If you read what I said above Gakaxy Angel would sell well cause the space fanatics on Steam would buy it even if they never played a VN before. The kind of gameplay Galaxy Angel has is highly appealing for those people.

So basically I m saying that Galaxy Angel would sell well cause we are targeting a bigger audience then just VN fans, and it has everything it needs to appeal to those people.
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>>15625512
It is a joke that it contains scat. You know, in addition to art being subjective.
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>>15625709
Why you even thinks that Steam love space in the first place? Just because of Sunrider success?
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I'm sure Dovac got shitcanned he's not listed on staff page anymore. Guess he did exit the market as he said he would.
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I will tell you what we truly want and need: Fortissimo. that's it, yeah
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>>15625773
Maybe he took the role as customer since nobody else seem fit for the job.
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>>15625736
Not just Sunrider, other non VN space related games do well too. Basically many people who like those kind of games use Steam, by bringing Galaxy Angel to Steam they would easy find it and buy it. And if MG could get permission to use Aroducs translation it would be easy money for them. They would just need to fix a few things so it works properly with new systems.
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>>15625773
Please please please please please
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>>15625814
>They would just need to fix a few things so it works properly with new systems.
It is unlikely to happen as it isn't that simple to just make old games work on modern systems. Also Aroduc posted a long time ago how much hacky shit he had to do for fan translating Galaxy Angel and bringing it up to a professional level would need a lot more work than what he did for a fantranslation. You would probably be better off just porting the game to a new engine if you want it running well on modern system and at that point it may not be worth it for the game.
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>>15625239
They said they can't afford to do it because it would cost in the tens of thousands of dollars or more to get the functionalities they need. They could also try something out of the box, but those can be less customizable and dull looking. The cheapest and easiest solution is to just tweak their existing site so that it looks halfway decent.
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>>15625921
Would hard to be more cheap than denpasoft, which is a rather crude skin on a wordpress + woocommerce site. But even that works I guess.
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>>15625773
How do you shitcan your boss? Maybe he was forcefully removed as CEO by investors, or the people loaning him money?

Then again, they have no PR people at this point either. I pity whoever has to fix this mess, it'd take like, half a decade of dedicated work to do so.
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>>15625947
Removing Dovac arguably IS the best PR move they can do. Follow that with 18+ Baldr announcement and they're good to go.
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Dovac is just going to come back under a new name
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>>15625971
Announcing that they have the actual finished translation instead of starting from scratch on one of the longest and most complicated games out there would be better news. It's a lot easier to fix a censored game than it is to do everything from square one, especially when most or all of the content is already translated.
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>>15625947
Maybe he sold his shares in the company to the cofounder Chris Ling.
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>>15625984
Nobody with Sekai Project has done that ever.

Besides Dovac's butt buddy, obviously..
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I for one welcome in the new era of Cavod, the new head of Sekai Project.
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>>15625984
Cavod confirmed for secretly dovac.

>>15625987
Why would Chris even buy it? The company is liquid shit right now and there's not a trace of consumer loyalty. All they have now are the '$5 is too expensive' Steam folks.
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>>15625998
Stop reading my mind, Anon.
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>>15625999
To run a Baldr Kickstarter and then run off with the money.
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>>15625987
JAST bought them, all Sekai games are planed to receive a uncensored version soon.
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Gee I wonder who's getting fired next.
>damage controlling while criticizing dovac's rants at the same time
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>>15626009
>JAST
>soon
You mean in 3+ years, right?
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>>15626013
Why even bother with damage control with dovac in charge? It's like voting in a corrupt dictatorship. What's the fucking point?
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>>15625947
That Audi guy is still there, he was doing their European PR. He also posted this.
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>>15626040
It's plain bullshit that they "moved on", they were suddenly fired if you look at their initial reactions on twitter.
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>>15626048
It definitely wasn't them moving on or finding better jobs. You celebrate change you are the master of. You accept condolences for when you're fucked over.
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>>15626040
Might have worked if, after the first twitter drama he made, they had seized his twitter account and made someone else run it for him (have them vet anything he wants to post etc). Kinda too late now though now after it has happened again and again.
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>>15626043
Oh yes, I'm sure blatantly lying to the fan base will make people trust them more.
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;_;.
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People say if dovac just kept quiet things would be ok, but he certainly runs his internal affairs like he runs his external. It's not surprising it's coming down.
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>>15626111
>He still doesn't have his 2000~ computer with XP installed as a backup just in case the main one fails
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>>15626111
>>15626119
If push comes to shove and a game will only work on XP or earlier, I would just install XP in a VM. Though most things still work even on windows 10 if you do the right amount of tweaking with wrappers and such.
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>>15626087
I don't think SP really cares about either lying to their fanbase or garnering trust.
In fact, the people like us who care about their business practices and what a twat their CEO is aren't their target audience. Steam users don't really give a shit. They probably don't even know what SP is, let alone who Dovac is.
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>>15626115
>People say if dovac just kept quiet things would be ok
Well it would still have a better public image which is pretty important for a company. Stating that you didn't want to do what the company is currently all about really doesn't give any consumer confidence. And that is without even going in to any of the other stupid shit he has said.
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>>15626144
They are a niche company that doesn't break 5 digits in sales for most of their products and relies heavily on crowdfunding. The idea that dedicated fans don't matter is terrible business for a company in their situation.
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>>15626115
Obviously Dovac isn't doing any favors with his rants, however Sekai Project would probably be having issues regardless of who was in charge now. They are a fairly new company that was aggressively expanding off the success of a few early hits, with spending likely exceeding revenue. Considering the success of Clannad, Nekopara, and Sakura it made full sense to do so at the time. The problem is that the market they were reliant on is quickly slowing down, with the early success being more of a fad then a long term sustainable market. Existing franchise like Nekopara and Sakura will likely do well for the foreseeable future, and it is still possible for a title to become a hit especially if it is known from other media, but it is getting tougher and tougher to launch a new franchise and as Grisaia shows not even successful franchises are immune to problems. Karakara and Frontwing's Corona Blossom were both specifically designed to be the next Nekopara, and while neither did horribly, both are a couple orders of magnitude behind Nekopara sales wise. Supipara was intending to ride on the success of Eden, and it didn't. Sharin no Kuni is well known and its initial kickstarter was a disaster. Root Double was one of the best untranslated purely all ages titles, and it had a poor kickstarter showing and disappointing sales on Steam to match. Sekai Project was able to launch Rabi-Ribi as a successful new franchise, but that was one of there numerous attempts they have made in recent months. The only large visual novels released on Steam in 2016 that have been undoubtedly successful are Muv Luv and Kindred Spirits. One big open question is how future full length moege will do, as despite all the releases, we haven't gotten one recently to see how it did but if they show a similarly poor performance, then Sekai Project's future library would look problematic as well. Though Sekai's big thing they have to look forward to is they will be entering the less crowded and higher bar of entry console market, though it remains to be seen how that works out.
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>>15626267
Paragraphs, mother fucker.
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>>15626267
>as Grisaia shows not even successful franchises are immune to problems
If they fucking butcher it I sure as hell ain't gonna buy it. When the 18+ patches are actually out then I'll buy it.
I can't imagine people who already paid feel better.
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>>15626267
>Though Sekai's big thing they have to look forward to is they will be entering the less crowded and higher bar of entry console market, though it remains to be seen how that works out.
Since they are relying on things like the Vita, it probably won't go well. The console is basically on life support right now after Sony left it to fend for itself.
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>>15626302
Still, consoles is the place to go if you want to sell crap because there is zero quality control. Everyone buys whatever they get because they have no choice.

PC market on the other hand has people aware of the products and how ripped off customers tend to get.
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I wonder how to titles like If You Love Me, Then Say So! will sell
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>>15626013
The dude's got talent. I like him
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>>15626350
I'm gonna buy two copies to spite that autist so it's guaranteed 2 sales.
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>>15626350
>>15626354
I can't wait to see how people react to the rejection scenes, especially the 2nd time failure.
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>>15626329
>because there is zero quality control
Can't really say steam has quality control with all the shit that gets through greenlight, though you are right that people are more aware on PC if they are getting ripped off. Makes them more likely to turn to torrents as shown by KaraKara and the 18+ patch doubling the price of the game for a few H-scenes. Also helps that the vita still is limited on the piracy side (though may change soon with the recent homebrew hacking breakthrough).
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>>15626283
While I agree with that settlement, and I won't be picking up the title until the Denpasoft version is released down the road, I doubt the roughly ten-fold difference in sales between the two is largely based on that.
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Anicon seem to be released on Steam. Animal Otome game. Must be selling like crazy!
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>>15626379
Nekopara Volume 2 and Karakara both were released the exact same way price wise and patch price, and the former was a huge success. It's hard to pin down what the price should be for such a patch, but Karakara's poor sales were unlikely a result of people getting pissed at the price difference and not buying it simply because of that (even if that did cost them a handful of sales).
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>>15626464
Is unfair to compare it to Nekopara Vol 2 since it is an established franchise and also has meme status nowadays. Is not hard to see people being reluctant putting money forward for something unknown to them and then paying double for even more unknown with the H-scenes. With Nekopara they at least have a better inkling what they are getting and the kind of quality that will come with it.
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This https://vndb.org/v5467
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>>15626510
Well yes, but Karakara was designed to try and be another meme title and it failed because it didn't take off. Perhaps some combination of (game/patch) $20/$0, $15/$5, or cheaper $10/$5 would have brought in some more sales (though the last probably would have been less revenue), but the difference would be peanuts compared to its failure to become a new more mainstream franchise for Sekai.
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>>15626575
>Karakara was designed to try and be another meme title and it failed because it didn't take off
Don't see why someone would think that trying to force something like Karakara as a meme was going to work. Maybe if it was one of the first titles on steam then it might have, but trying to make a meme out of it while you already have Nekopara around would never work. Only way to surpass something like Nekopara would be to somehow one up it by either adding a really big twist to the concept or going more extreme (I don't just mean quantity) on the ero which would gather attention. Even the bad kind of attention of news outlets going for clickbait would boost sales.
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>>15626267
I'll read this if you delete it and repost it with formatting.
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Why are you people ignoring the fact that Karakara looks like shit? The girls look like insects with animal ears on.
Nekopara looked way better.
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>>15626350
I'll buy it if they fix Yuuki's name
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>>15626643
The issue is that both SP and (Japanese) developers don't seem to realize that Nekopara is a meme game. They think it's some sort of actual success that can be reproduced, when it obviously can't be. The game is not recommended for the characters or the story. It's just something that managed to get lucky and spread.
Seeing a game that most people will think is Nekopara with dogs is not going to make the game come anywhere near close to those sales. Perhaps if Nekopara was an actually mainstream title people wanted more of, then Karakara could have done better, but it's a game that gained popularity through streamers, sales, bundles, and people being interest with the artists work on sadpanda.
When the flops continue, then maybe they'll finally realize that Nekopara is the exception, not the rule.
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>>15626680

Obviously Dovac isn't doing any favors with his rants,

however Sekai Project would probably be having issues regardless of who was in charge now.

They are a fairly new company that was aggressively expanding off the success of a few early hits,

with spending likely exceeding revenue.

Considering the success of Clannad, Nekopara, and Sakura

it made full sense to do so at the time.

The problem is that the market they were reliant on

is quickly slowing down,

with the early success being more of a fad then a long term sustainable market.

Existing franchise like Nekopara and Sakura will likely do well for the foreseeable future,

and it is still possible for a title to become a hit especially if it is known from other media,

but it is getting tougher and tougher to launch a new franchise and as Grisaia shows not even successful franchises are immune to problems.

Karakara and Frontwing's Corona Blossom were both specifically designed to be the next Nekopara,

and while neither did horribly,

both are a couple orders of magnitude behind Nekopara sales wise.

Supipara was intending to ride on the success of Eden, and it didn't.

Sharin no Kuni is well known and its initial kickstarter was a disaster.

Root Double was one of the best untranslated purely all ages titles,

and it had a poor kickstarter showing and disappointing sales on Steam to match.

Sekai Project was able

to launch Rabi-Ribi as a successful new franchise, but that was one of there numerous

attempts they have made in recent months. The only large

visual novels released on Steam in 2016 that have been undoubtedly successful are Muv Luv and Kindred Spirits. One big open question is

how future full length moege will do, as despite all the releases, we haven't gotten one recently to see how it did but if they show a similarly poor

performance, then Sekai Project's future library would

look problematic as well. Though Sekai's big thing they have to look forward to is they will be entering

the

less crowded and

higher bar of entry console market, though it remains to be seen how that works out.
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>>15624186
VI is legit a better start point that 01 though and Arunaru is aware of that
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>>15626709
Sekai understands that, they just are trying to get lightning to strike again. Rabi-Ribi took off and probably made as much as the rest of their non Nekopara/Sakura library this year combined. The Japanese studios on the other hand are delusional and think their great title should be a superhit because Nekopara was.
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>>15626791
>The Japanese studios on the other hand are delusional and think their great title should be a superhit because Nekopara was.
If anything I would think that Dovac specifically whispers that kind of delusion in their ears so as to better persuade them to partner.
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>>15626804
>If anything I would think that Dovac specifically whispers that kind of delusion in their ears so as to better persuade them to partner.
But what will he tell them when it fails?
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>>15626709
Might be better to just simply say that they overestimated the western market and now it is slightly oversaturated and customers are fatigued both in the sense of good will and pocket. The novelty has worn off and VNs will for the foreseeable future still continue to be a niche market (as it was initially). Even most kickstarters are struggling to meet their target nowadays beyond the odd few exceptions.

>>15626804
Well going by >>15612741 they may slowly be actually waking up to the reality of how Sekai isn't some magical entity that can get them sales in the west.
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>>15626820
The fault of the customers complaining about price
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>>15626820
He will just point to pirate figures. Is the usual first port of call for a failing company with products failing to sell, even if it isn't a guaranteed lost sale and also shows that something is over priced/isn't good enough quality to buy.
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>>15626820
Blame everything on pirates and push for Denuvo
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Dovac told his staff that he had Baldr Sky's translation and tools secured.

Dovac told Giga that he had Baldr Sky's translation and tools secured.

Dovac never asked Aroduc for them.

Aroduc didn't immediately say yes.

A month follows of Dovac slowly breaking down as he now has a license that he paid a premium for and no clue how to translate it, so he starts pinching every penny and stressing out over the tiniest shit.

Cue Imoutoworks twitter shitfest ending with him firing all of his outward facing staff, again without discussing it with anybody.

Everyone left has had enough of him.

Here we are.
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>>15626700
Holy fuck. Even autist has its limits.
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>>15626881
Autism, I mean. I much prefer Yuuki too, but it really doesn't matter all that fucking much. Different name; same tits.
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>>15626846
I have been hoping Nutaku gets their act together with regards to censorship and other problems, as a viable platform for 18+ titles with a rather large userbase could do quite well for this niche. Steam+non-shit Nutaku+Jlist+publisher specific stores could likely form a sizable market, even if it doesn't push Nekopara numbers.
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>>15626876
If I had to pick up where he has left this mess (if all true) I would have just done some kind of kickstarter, since people will still back it just because it is Baldr Sky. Is a great way to stall for time and bluff your way in to getting money to pay for it all.
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>>15624401
I can guarantee you we're getting more retarded redditors since sanahlgbt linked to /jp/.
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>>15624511
>>15624527

Why would any VN fan upgrade to anything newer than Windows 7?
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>>15626908
Nutaku censorship is hilarious. I can't even understand what goes through their heads.
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>>15627117
So they're the 4kids of eroge?
What's the TV equivalent of Sekai Project?
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>>15627131
Miramax. They take stuff from Asia and then cut it.
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>>15627131
>What's the TV equivalent of Sekai Project?
TV edits of R Rated films
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>>15626913
Or you can buy Aroduc's translation and start editing like every other company. Provided you release the uncut game which is probably why Aroduc didn't say ok in the first place.
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>>15627251
It's kind of weird how every game Aroduc works on professionally ends up with a cut Steam version.
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>>15627265
It must be kind of sad for him I guess. Putting all those hours in translating a game and then having to watch it get butchered.
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>>15627265
Steam Bunny Black.

It would be hilarious.
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>>15627283
Instead of raping people, how will Darx get his energy? Hugs?
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>>15627289
Social Links.
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>>15627289
High fives
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Is it true that all the cool cats are here on /jp/? Who else except MangaGamer staff?
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>>15627619
I'm here.
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>>15627623
Holy shit, Google Translate knows how to post!
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>>15627619
VNTS is the most influential VN community in existence. We are the puppet masters.
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>>15627006
Not VN fans, people who get everything off of steam.
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>>15626908
They seem to go by strict Canadian standards for what's acceptable ero wise, which is a huge disappointment. They are very vanilla.
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>>15624727
>script quality just keeps getting worse and worse.
Actually Madou's story although nothing to write home about was clearly much better than their recent titles including Kamidori and also some of the older ones like Himeragi etc(But I guess inferior to most of the megami titles).

The game felt closer to an over the top senki novel if anything which is a good thing.
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https://twitter.com/Regris_Kallen/status/760623515795992576
Dovac you broke his heart, how could you?
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>>15627794
And yet another reason to hate Dovac. How the fuck can >>15626043 say, "People move on and get opportunities all the time in video games, it's nothing negative nor bad" this guy was clearly fired. He sounds like he's tearing up.

I wouldn't be surprised if he told Dovac to stop being a screaming manchild and that's why they fired them. No PR guy in the world could save Dovac.
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>>15627794
He found better opportunities :^)
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>>15627794
Poor guy. I hope he gets better.
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>>15627794
I have met the guy on a convention and found him a nice and cool guy even considering the rep SP has. When I first heard the news, my first thoughts were really "Wait...what?"

Man I dunno anymore
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>>15626111
I've never betrayed her! She is still here with me!
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