Does it bother you that after all these years, SDM is still the

I'm bothered that it's the most popular one. Nips really love their loli vampires and meido. Draw something else please. I'm sick and tired of them.

It bothers me that they suck so hard!

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Sakuya and Flandre are edgy.
Cirno is a memehu.
Dai and Koukuma are barely even canon.
Is Rumia even relevant anymore?
Patchouli and Remilia are fine characters.
Meiling is the best character in the cast Tbh.

Mostly western creatures, mostly western setting, eastern sensibilities, and generally basic as fuck. The nips will likely never get tired of it.

Good variance of characters, many peoples' favorite single characters rolled into a group, oldest Windows game, and they appear in a lot of official works. With Meiling, Patchy, Sakuya, Remi, and Flan you get a bunch of different personality types for people to like, and they interact with the protagonists often. They also appear in one of the most basic games so it's easy for people to come up with their own ideas about them. Not surprising they are widely regarded as the best or peoples' favorites.

I like EET+Mokou and Keine more but I can see the appeal.

>>15324066
You probably want more monstershits or something.

>>15324577
What are you on about?

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Best gang signs in the series

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>>15324768
>you will never drink lean or snort coke with magical lolis
it hurts

>>15324768
But those ain't from eosd. Except Flandre.

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>>15324768
We get it, you vape

>>15324890
Who said this?

Harlot Devil Mansion.

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>>15324768

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Scarlet sisters are a cute.
A CUTE.

>>15324066
I wanna more for the others meidos

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Remilia is greatest gift from humanity to universe. We will never be able to create someone as perfect as she is

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>>15324014
Not only is EoSD the best cast, but also the most comfy, most powerful, most best music, most memorable, most important, most plot convenient, most deepest lore and also cutest cast.

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>>15333192
Words of wisdom.

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>>15333192
It's the only cast that actually feels like a "family" I think.

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>>15324014
SDM crew is one of my least favorites. I only like Patche (admittedly, I like her a LOT) and Remi (not nearly as much). Sakuya a dog, Flan's annoying, Hong Meiling? Who?

I like almost every cast better, except UFO's. In UFO, the cast is only shitty Buddhists except Kogasa, who is amazing.

>>15333286
I'm hiding your post. Good riddance.

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>>15333192
>most powerful, most best music, most memorable, most important, most plot convenient, most deepest lore and also cutest cast.
I'd give all of this to PCB before EoSD

As for best cast, wouldn't give that to PCB or EoSD. Would give EoSD most comfy since SDM is very relaxed.

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>>15324014
The more I got into Touhou, the less I cared for the EoSD cast. But apparently 14 years wasn't enough for other people to move on.

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>>15333317
Anon, you are slowly dying inside. Please, wopen your eyes before its to late!

>>15324014
Babies' first Touhou

>>15333485
Well obviously, it's the first WIndows/real Touhou game.

>>15333192
>most important, most plot convenient, most deepest lore

The other ones are debatable or subjective, but how? EoSD's plot is pretty barebones even for Touhou and we barely know anything about most of EoSD's characters and their backstory.

They're also not particularly plot convenient.

Rumia has never been relevant, Dai and Koakuma are barely canon, Sakuya got booted from playable status until DDC since she has nearly no reason and motivation to ever go questing and be involved, and Flan has only appeared in cameo and is confined to the mansion despite being one of Touhou's most popular characters.

As a whole the SDM and the EoSD cast is just very isolated from everyone. And as a western-inspired group they don't fit *that* well into Touhou.

I'd also argue their importance. They might possibly be the reason for the spellcard rules and as the first Windows cast, they were important once.

But in the "new Touhou" which I think is depending on ever increasing connectivity and interaction, like I said, SDM is very isolated from the rest of the cast at a time when even Eientei is more involved.

So, they were important long ago. But PCB and IN serve as more of a link between the old and new Touhou than EoSD does.

Unless I'm proven wrong and they're actually more involved more in the near future that won't change.

>>15333302
I find most of PCB's ost pretty forgettable until Primsriver sisters to be honest. Everything past them through to Yukari is great though.

IN is my personal favorite ost followed by EoSD and PCB

Tengu is best, this thread is a lie.

But we can all agree that TD has the worst cast, right?

>>15333677
>she has nearly no reason and motivation to ever go questing and be involved,
That didn't stop Zun from making her playable again in DDC.

>>15333707
either that or DDC, but atleast DDC has great gameplay

>>15333684
The Fantastic Legend of Tohno and The Capital City of Flowers in the Sky are forgettable? They are among the best stage themes in the series for me.

>>15333715
The only bad characters in DDC are the musical ones.

>>15333684
I think Deep Mountain is really good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuc7L50iUhw

He almost succeded in UFO.

>>15333707
Remove Boddhist idol

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CUTE.

I don't know if it is because they're new so they're fresh on my mind but I really like the LoLK cast

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SA is best cast
One day people will realize this....

>>15333684
I'll admit I heavily favor PCB for stage 5+.

Letty, Prismrivers, and even Alice don't do much for me. Chen is a character I mainly like due to fandom. After playing the games she fell dramatically out of my favor

>>15333276
HOLY SHIT
There's two Meilongs
That's two times the May, four times the dong!

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>>15334264
I already know it

>>15333709
almost felt like he did that because Youmu was in the previous game, like why I think he put Youmu into IN

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>>15333707
>>15333715
You two are fucking out of your minds.

>>15334264
It's got a pretty good cast, next to IN.

>>15334307
thats koakuma you big dummy

SDM memes are the worst.

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Eientei faction cast is tightly knit as other groups, but they don't give off that whole family vibe. Nonetheless, they care about each other and the characters themselves are interesting so they are my favorite cast.

>>15333707
I still haven't warmed up to the LoLK cast. For every other Touhou I'd have two or three characters I really like a month or two after release. No one really sticks out to me other than Clownpiece, and that's mostly because I love fairies. Other than that, IN has the worst cast.

>>15337002
I feel that LoLK has one of the best casts out there, rabbits and sagume are nice additions to the lunarians, cp + junko + hecatia is a great trio, and then there's also that smug baku connecting things pretty nicely as well

>>15336901
EET feels more professional and held together as master-servant chains than anything else. That being said, their supplemental material was the most endearing to me and having Mokou around to push back with Kaguya made her way more likable and interesting instead of just being Perfect Moon Bitch

I like all the factions, although the characters in DDC never really felt cohesive. Waggysaggy, Sekibanki, Seija, and Shinmyoumaru are great but the musical characters are pretty flat.

IN has my favorite cast overall but I'm quite fond of SA's as well. Moriya Shrine is good too but I like them most when Kanako is doing stupid shit like giving a bird god powers.

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No it doesn't.
Can't stop the appeal of immortal vampire lolis.

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Cute loli vampires, the best perfect and elegant meido, an autistic bookworm and a China is impossible to beat.

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Mountain of Faith got just as comfy and fun cast, with the added bonus of not being edgy jerks.

Meiling is love though. Someone as fun as her would actually be more at home in MoF.

>>15333767

Not even closet.

The "core" of Touhoudom will always be EoSD + IN + PCB

Everything from MoF and on can be considered as the "neo" Touhou and just arent as good

>>15339542
MoF is by far the best cast for me. People in this thread are talking about how much of a family the SDM is, but it doesn't have shit on the Moriya shrine on that aspect.

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>>15339573
So, the *core* Touhou is less than a third of the current canon? You couldn't come up with more arbitrary criteria if you tried.

Even the most secondary of fan works that don't dare to dive into the religion wars arc (and further) recognize casts up to SA. You can't call characters that have been around for almost a decade newhus by any standard.

>>15339701
This man gets it.

>>15339542
I love how they really embody the feeling of a river in fall.

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>>15339777
>>15339701
>>15339542
I get that people like Sanae, she's a really nice character but the rest of the MoF cast is not that great...at all.

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>>15339934
Nitori is a good character too.

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>>15339934
Suwako is fun personified and rocks the duality of a childish apperance and centuries of experience and power.

If you're willing to count her too because of her inseparability from the youkai mountain, then Aya is certainly one hell of a colorful character as well.

>>15339934
Honestly the whole MoF cast is well designed and vibrant

except sanae

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>>15339934
I feel the opposite.
Every character feels like they belong, they interact with eachother, and then blue miko talking about dumb modern bullshit out of fucking nowhere.

I guess Hina is a little out of place as well but she's cute and her stage/theme is pretty spooky so i'll let it slide.

>>15339701
I feel like there's a very clear distinction between the Moriya Shrine and the Youkai mountain inhabitants though. I love the MoF cast but I really don't consider Hina/Nitori/Aya part of the Moriya Shrine faction, especially considering how at odds they were with Kanako's plans in MoF.

>>15324014
I would say SDM is my favorite cast. I love the Western setting and style of all the characters. I wish ZUN would implement more aspects of Western culture in future games.

Or better yet, he should just reboot Seihou.

>>15333192
>best music
Only septette for the dead princess is great in my opinion, U.N. Owen is good, but overrated, other themes are average. IN or SA have the best music IMO
>best plot
In every game plot is a couple of semi-adequate dialogues and maybe a readme file. It can't be good.
>deepest lore
Same as previous

>>15342347
I actually prefer Japanese myth setting, it is something new compared to medieval european fantasy which is everywhere

>>15342347
In terms of west themed 2hu I'm preffer the MS crew

>reboot seihou
only if is a colab. with ther older teamates