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>>14496486
I don't know how I put the title in the name instead of subject field. Fuck me.

How do I git gud?

>>14496651
You forcefeed your little girl herbed herbs and make her do all the dirty work. And the clean work. And the hard work. And the easy work.

>>14496683
>herbed herbs
can you do that?

>>14496712
Best combination is herbed curaria. Herbing a rare herb is a waste.

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How do you guys do herb farming anyway? No I don't want to abuse my cute little fairy.

i wanna get into elona, can i start playing 1.52f and then add custom in on the 18th and use my existing save

>>14497003
The key is the Kumiromi statues. Every 72 hours you have a 75% chance of getting a herb seed from them. So the strategy is to get multiple of them by using the Little Sister turn-in rewards. With 10 statues and a time passing tactic like reading skillbooks in Snow/HeavyRain/Ether you can get hundreds of herb seeds very quickly.

This gets even more ridiculous once you're strong enough to kill Kumiromi's lvl 250 god disciple in Lost Irvina. The Scissors of Kumiromi you get is a passive item that ensures crops regrow every time. With that the only time you lose herb plants is due to the small % chance of them withering.

>>14497026
Oh so its south tyris. Guess I shouldn't feel bothered with potentials that much when I'm sitll in north.

>>14497006
You should be able to do that. Just make a backup of your save file before installing Elona Custom. In fact, get used to backing up your save every now and then and preferably on an external storage device. You never know when a bug, HD crash, or whatever will show up.

>>14497003
>>14497026
^This. Having a handful, like 5 gem stones of rejuvenation, will also help. Use them on your withered plants and between cycling Kumiromi statue and gemstone cooldowns you should be able to build and grow out your herb farming operation.

So I heard that Elona+ added Multi-Strike for Martial Arts. Is Martial Arts actually decent now?

>>14497599
I'm interested in this as well. I recall this being asked in the past but nobody really said much about it. Maybe nobody has gotten that far with a Martial Arts character yet? The grind to make martial arts powerful probably scares people away considering it's just easier to equip a weapon and wreck stuff.

>>14497764
I didn't see anything about martial arts in the patch notes after the multi-strike update, so presumably it still exists. Looking at the formulas, martial arts should be extremely strong then. With enough training it gets massive dice, great accuracy, and 50% penetration.

>>14497764
Weapons are for pussies anyways
Real men and little girls use their fists

>>14497999
What is magic

>>14498003
You can cast Fist, anon
alternatively just imbue your fists with magic

>>14497999
Do you have a martial artist character? How much damage are you doing and what things are you fighting?

>>14498010
OR you can just cast overleveled crystal spear. Shadow step on mobs and cast soundball. But you're obvious the kind of guy who would prefer to using their bare fists on putit.

>>14498015
I'll punch the magic out of you

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FISTS + GUNS + MAGIC = BEST COMBO
NANTO SCUM GO HOME

>>14498015
Nothing wrong with punching putits. It's therapeutic. They're also good for your skin! So don't mind the fact that you'll be covered in goo after fisting a putit!

>>14498043
There's nothing wrong with fisting-based fighting.
The anus is a universal weak point.

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If anyone's wondering where the new hidden facility is, it's 10 tiles west of the Chaos Shrine.

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So does this enchantment act as a multiplier for all invokes then, or just breath attacks? Might be nice for my quad wielding pet that spams weapon invokes if it does.

>>14497599
>>14497764
>>14497881
According to wiki at least, high level martial arts wrecks face harder than any other weapon. Plus it's not like you can't equip stuff on those slots.

does anyone have a map of the thieves guild? im trying to get illegal training and the guild master keeps wrecking my shit

>>14498032
>GUNS
Nope. Thou wasting a slot on not-tonfa. But, what else would you expect from Jagi?

>>14498200
How did you make it show the numbers ?

Unrelated thing, my small castle was rank 14 then i decided to do some wood crafts. I crafted 4 lame wood crafts and the house went to rank 1 instantly, what gives ?

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>>14498597
The guild trainer is located in the upper-left room near the stairs.

Do town charters even do anything?

Can I have my character look like the race I picked, like in character creation each race has an icon. Can I use that instead?

>>14499098
Nope. Those town features are currently unimplemented and have been since vanilla Elona. Maybe Ano will get around to fleshing them out someday but I wouldn't hold my breath for it. He seems to be focusing on other things such as slowly adding to the story and hammering out bugs. Not that this is a bad thing of course. I would like the town stuff implemented one day as well as having the moongates work for people in the west so we can visit each others houses.

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>>14499186
Not easily done. You're going to need experience in editing or making sprites for what you want. Or you can look at the sprites at http://www.elonaup.x0.com/sozai/119.html?1450315370 to see if there is something there you like.

>>14498533
The problem with Martial Arts is that its damage multiplier is lousy and lags behind weapon users. Due to this weapon users outshine pure martial artists for a very long time. Hopefully the multi strike helps things out but despite this and as was posted by other anons, nobody seems to be commenting on how amazing their martial arts character is and the high level people I've seen posting in these threads all use magic and weapons to dish out their damage.

Every now and then you'll hear someone start up a martial arts character but they'll eventually find out about shining wave and start relying on it. Unfortunately, this leads to people neglecting their training of the martial arts skill. Shining Wave while strong at first, will not carry you through the rest of the game by itself and eventually you never hear from those characters/people again.

>>14497764
That was me asking in the last few threads. I went and snacked up a 2000 MA character, got no extra attacks on a sandbagged hermit crab.

>>14498985
The custom version has a toggle for UI mods, which allows you to see the numbers on enchantments or even assign spells to the skill tracker.

Just out of curiosity, how do you guys craft herbed herbs quickly? Every time I make a stack its the most tedious crap imaginable. It's especially annoying cuz every so often, the inventory moves and shuffles all the herbs around.

>>14500752
Assign pot of fusion to hotkey, so hotkey -> l -> your first stack of curaria and so on

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also apparently NPCs can dual wield precious weapons

I'll try doing some martial arts next time I play but from the sounds of it someone said multi strike isn't proccing correctly?

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>>14501104
see for yourself

>>14501194
So 3 attacks on average per action at 2000...
Seems underpowered.

>>14501218
I think you could say that you're consistently doing 5 attacks an action, but 4 of them take a double whammy of physical and element resist. And it's a 50 sp buff. Not really the seven additional proc chances promised in the changelog.

>>14499384
Thanks, I just got that lich file, and I'll get something else too probably, the lich works anyway.

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>>14499507
But why am i not seeing anything ?

>>14500855
If you kill them do they drop it ? Also, what happens if i start killing all adventurers ? Will they hunt me ?

Custom 1.52.2 is out btw

>>14502458
It was out the last friday desu senpai

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>>14502484
You sure baka desu senpai ?

>>14502450
You need the objet of heart in your inventory. The tweak only removes the hassle of having to take off all your equipment to see the stats from a single item.

>>14502530
Thanks Anna ! Btw thanks for all your work too...

>>14502597
No thanking

>>14502661
This.
Autistic grinding is the only thing offering **** desires.

>>14502530
Btw Anna, the witch Ssil still says "untranslated sentence" but i though you finished everything now with 1.52.2 ?

>>14502697
Cutscenes and main story quests are done.

There are still many subquests and other auxiliary text (item descriptions, card descriptions, etc.) that remains untranslated.

Now that I'm caught up to the story, I'll start working on all the other stuff, with a priority on subquests first.

>>14502456
I think they just get pssed off on a person by person basis. They do drop the precious items, though I guess in this case one of the precious items will change to a random artifac once you pick it up. Your karma takes a hit, and the adventurer has a chance of permanently dying.

>>14502832
>karma
That's what dueling gloves are for.

Is there a page in the wiki or some pastebin explaining what each setting in the options mean?

Things like "Extra Help" and "Screen Resolution" are easy to understand but I have no idea what it means from vague descriptions such as "Record" and "Attack Select"

CAN'T GET RID OF ANOREXIA

RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

getting random crashes with 1.52

Is anyone else having this problem?

>>14503139
YOU IDIOT
YOU'VE BEEN PUKING TOO MUCH
EAT SOME BLESSED FOOD UNTIL YOU GET FAT
OR YOU WILL BE A SKELETON FOREVER

>>14503137
Attack Select is for the things you can target.

>>14503282
Is it when you're traveling on the world map? If so, hold backspace when you enter it.

>>14503314
I couldnt get rid of it and decided to suicide with a tight rope, there, i am free of that fucking bullshit.

>>14503711
How did you get anorexia in the first place?

>>14503732
Actually i was pretty careful about it, but i was deep in a dungeon and went out of food so i took out my 4 meals out of cooler box, was in combat so didnt have time to identify them.

To my luck, each 4 was cursed. I was about to starve to death then i took 2 corpses from ground and cooked and ate them quickly. First one was good, second was cursed.

There goes the story of my 600 cm tall, 100kg weight golem mage.

>>14503816
And that's why you resupply your api nuts or anchors once there are less then 50 left in stack.

>>14503880
Meh, im still too noob at the game. Just got a small castle to rank 1, im at level 37 with 30k fame, just started to get 1 ap from some mobs.

>>14502489
Where is the download link for custom?
Pastebin only goes to 1.51

>>14504224
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104

I recommend bookmarking this if you'll be keeping up with the translation, you can also help by reporting bugs or adding untranslated things if you feel like it.

>>14503886
Blessed scrolls of uncurse will uncurse everything or most things in your inventory, it's great for stacks of items or unidentified stuff.

Is it safe/working to use the kumi UI? Never used one of those before, thought I'd pretty my game up.

What does the pleasant sleep blanket do?
I have some but I've got no idea how to use it

>>14503886
And yet i figured out the power of making your own sandwiches from flour bought from the baker when I was even noobier.

Git gud at lunch. If you're going to eat off the floor, you are going to end up in trouble eventually. Then you eat a sandwich in the surety that it isn't cursed, with no fooling around with stacks of crap you found in the woods.

>>14504409
It's for pets. You give them a blanket to prevent them making you gifts or breakfast.

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>>14504496
Oh god so thats why my younger sister wasn't making me clothing like she used to.

>>14504502
There's probably some minmax-y underhanded use for them but I only have 1 pet so I don't actually use them.

Read moar changelogs.

>>14504496
>>14504508
I see. I did a quick read on the changelog and probably skipped it since I wanted to play the game after a long break

Thanks for the help

>>14504494
Dude, give the guy a break. He made a silly mistake and I'm sure he's learned from it....probably.

>>14504409
>>14504496
>>14504502
So what do i do if i want a certain pet not to prepare breakfast but keep making items ?

>>14504494
So you never get corpse bonuses huh ?

Its like real life, if you only eat bread you become dumb. If you eat meat, fruits, vegetables, herbs, you become healthy and smart.

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Help!

>>14504764
Count the number of trees on each tile. Jesus shouldn't be too hard, not that many places with trees that spaced.

>>14503880
Do anchors taste good? Do you get them somewhere in Port Kapul?

>>14504850
It was just south of the shrine place. I looked everywhere.

>>14503886
I wouldn't worry about it too much, I had something similar happen at like level 200 or whatever, just from a string of bad luck and laziness (too much maintenence to keep food in your pockets).

Luckily, now you have an easy solution, since you can just eat cargo food in dungeons.So Id just recommend that you just stock up on a metric shit ton of them. Maybe even shell out a few plat to increase your cargo holding capacity.

>>14505238
I actually prefer my character borderlining anorexia and drinking cursed milk.

tfw you can give your little girl a sniper rifle and she can actually use it now!
This AI thing is pretty neat.

RPG music compilation pack link is dead.
Is that for vanilla or E+ anyways?

>>14505259
Speaking of which, how do I set the AI so that my pet will attack but still approach to make melee attacks? I find my pet usually doesn't know how to react or only sits there and shoots.

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My first win! It was especially sweet since I turned 21 a few hours ago.

Many thanks go out to the anons who answered my questions. I wish everyone here a happy holiday!

>>14505502
congratulations anon!

now its time for south tyris and lost irva

>>14505302
use the music pack from this thread, it's better anyway:

http://4chandata.org/jp/ElonaPlus-music-pack-is-complete-and-uploadedhttps--www-dropbox-com-sh-r1g6054tqseelbo-NbmBXKTUi9Password-is-elona-without-the-quo-a600627

just gotta update the musiclist.txt to include the new locations (i.e. just copy the missing lines over from the new file).

Hey Anna, I'd like to pitch in an idea/suggestion for the Skill Tracker.

Would it be possible for tracked skills/spells to not actually appear on screen until they fall below a (configurable) certain potential percentage?

>>14506116
Yes.

I'm planning on converting the "Tweak" configuration into a menu similar to the AI so that you can enable/disable each tweak individually rather than entire categories. When I get around to that (probably the next time I have a decent amount of free time), I'll consider adding an option for this.

I have 40 literacy, but I have still yet to get reading party. What happened?

>>14506871
you gotta level up

>>14506892
I just did and still haven't gotten it

>>14506893
hmmm maybe the requirements changed? Did you check both the 'W' and 'a' tabs?

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>>14506899
All I have are these

>>14506871
Are you certain that your 40 Literacy isn't gained by simply wearing equipment that give bonus to it?

>>14506901
I guess I'm at a loss then. It could be that the wiki is wrong and you need a higher literacy.

>>14505375
target distance = 1 attack(melee)
target distance > 1 move(forward)
Also, if your pet uses shooting, magic or shadow-stepping, add before it:
target distance > 7 move(forvard)

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>>14506909
No, that is my literacy level

>>14506931
you're at 39.969 you goomba, I don't think this game rounds up, you actually have to be 40

>>14506939
I used a skill point right after to get to 40, but regardless I should have had it a long time ago

>>14506917
For pets casting offensive spells, better include an additional HP or MP check on itself, because:

>By default, pets will sometimes waste their turn and gain MP when their MP is less than 1/7. This has been removed for the customized AI routine - which could be a good or a bad thing, depending.
>Unless you specifically instruct them to, pets will not care about their mana vs the MP cost of a spell. It is very possible to make a pet kill themselves from overcasting.

>>14506948
Just making absolutely sure, but when you said you levelled, did your character level up to 22? not just the literacy skill.

>>14506979
Just before taking those pictures, I leveled up to 21. I was waiting to level up to get the skill, but I still didn't.

>>14506979

Requirement for Reading Party is supposed to be 20 Literacy (as stated on the not-so-frequently updated Special Actions page on the wiki). Given the benefit of the doubt that >>14506931's Literacy level wasn't boosted by equipment of more than 20 points, then some unknown bug must be going on.

>>14506996
Even with nothing equipped, it's still the same number

>>14506978
I see, I mostly wanted a mixed routine but it's not quite possible to do that with the current system, after a lot of testing and asking anna, but thanks anon

>>14505822
Someone in that thread is saying that it's a virus anon, and that's a lot of files! So I don't know. I'll check it out later. Thanks.

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What's with the newest version?

>>14507215
it's a bunch of mp3's and a text file. that one guy is just being an asshole.

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So I just gained another level, and I still don't have reading party

>>14507335
Could be a bug as one anon mentioned or the requirements could of changed. With all the bugs people are running into in 1.52...I think I'll wait out in in 1.51 until the dust settles.

>>14507387
Is there a way so I can edit it into my save? I don't like cheating, but I really should have it.

>>14507335
Get your learning stat to 40.

>>14507326
This happens every time the tile immediately south of Yowyn comes on screen. Also only happens on new saves(?)

Another anon pointed out to use backspace while entering the world map to reinitialize it should fix it.

Anyone know if the new Dupli-Cane Special Action works on Rods of wish?

That would be pretty broken if it did...

>>14507510
Only works on rods that attack things so no it wouldn't work on wish rods.

Uh, how do you teach allies/pets spells?

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I'm thinking of putting Yume Nikki music on Elona. Might be cool.

Anyone getting an Internal Error(1) with the new Elona Custom? Can't continue or start a new game like this.

>>14507656
You need to have Elona Custom and you then interact with your pet. One of the options should be teaching your pet stuff.

hey Ana, if you're reading this thread, can you add the ability to play mp3 files at random starting points? currently it's only doing this for midi.

I'm thinking of making a new soundtrack, but it sux if it always starts at the same place.

>>14506978
Another specific head-up for magic-using pets planning to take up the custom AI:

Tag-teamed pets will consider their partner as "SELF" and not "ALLY" as entity. For example, if you set a magic-using Pet A to stop casting spells if its own MP is below half, it will still cast spells (and could die from overcasting) as long as Pet B partner's MP doesn't go below 50%.

>>14509334
>Amulet of Jure - There is a 63/64 chance that the PC will be immediately cured if they become sick or anorexic.

So can you use this to eat a huge stack of cursed food items without stopping? Like say a huge stack of curarias/stomafillas?

>>14507881
Try some of the things under "Troubleshooting" on the blog post. Though if you've had no problems with previous builds, I don't know why you'd suddenly have on now. You could also try downloading the hsp recompiler and compiling it yourself to see if that might work for you. Just open the source.hsp file that comes in the zip, hit Ctrl+F9 to compile, then use the genereated hsptemp.exe that it generates like you would elona.exe.

>>14508972
I've never attempted to modify the game's music, so you're going to have to give me something to work with here. For midi do you have to specify that it can start randomly in the file, does it happen by default, etc. I still don't know if I'll be figure out enough about what it's using to play mp3s to do this, but I definitely need some more info. I do see some of the sound code in the source though, so I'll play with it.

>>14509678
After some quick testing, yes, I can do this. I have to change the code to play mp3 from using HSP's mmplay to MCI, though.

I'll throw this on the list of things to do when I rewrite the tweak setup menu. Give me a reminder about it then if I end up forgetting.

>>14509638
You could also binge snow and train magic device/alchemy like a madmutant.

>>14509763
Nah, the secret to leveling magic device like crazy is alchemical rain. So long as you have the platinum to keep your potential high enough to gain 0.001 experience per target affected, you can gain a level every like 4-5 casts. I like to use alcohol for it since it doesn't have an animation (if you try to use a healing potion with 100 summoned monsters around you it'll take 5 minutes to go through all the effects).

>tfw trolls are going to kill elonaplus

what is the best way to train each stat?

>>14509807
Does alchemical rain still piss off people even if its a healing potion?
That's really my only gripe with it.

>>14509970
Strength hitting things with strenghtbased weapons, constitution stripmining everything, dexterity pickpocketing trees in hunting quests/the wild, perception i dunno i get mine from the identify/pocket dimension spells so that works at least, learning raiding the spell writer and my gardens, will doing bloodmagic, magic casting oracle works until oracle potential dry up then i dunno others spells magic is a bitch to raise if you're not mainly using spells to kill things same with strength really, charisma hiring chump in home investing*50 firing repeat until charisma potential is hopeless.

Also herbed curarias are always a good supplement to your training regiment.

>>14509911
Elaborate on this. Also, Elona+ isn't a nice girl and can defend herself. I have the death logs to prove it! I wish there was some sort of monument in Elona that had the number of world wide character deaths though. Just so someone could say, "Elona...the game that claimed the lives of x adventurers, equivalent to the casualties of World War 2."

>>14509999
just to continue on his post, you can train perception through detection. For some reason, really high level nefia dungeons spawn equally high level booby traps, and they give A LOT of experience to detection. So if you can find one of those gravity floors with the floor covered in traps, you can generally gain like 10-20 levels of detection and a handful of perception.

How hard are scrolls of change material and superior material to obtain? Haven't come across either one and my seven league boots are really shitty glass.

>>14510300
You can craft them with gemcutting

>>14510300
Theyre also sold fairly commonly in magic vendors, provided you have a solid 50-70 levels invested in them. You can also try your luck with inferior scrolls, they can roll higher materials, just with a low chance. You can scrounge up some from puppy caves if youre desperate

How do I change my bell's AI so that it doesn't attempt to kite every time it's in combat?

Asking this because I want to make a melee bell instead of ranged.

>>14511789
You've got the option of spending AP if your Bell has any. Otherwise there's those new Custom AI additions. Or you can wait to upgrade to a Bell of Termination which already has max speed and comes with melee AI.

>Tutorial character leave 2 decorational items in the same location that weigh too much for me to move them
What the fuck?

>>14512227
Lomias being Lomias.

>>14512234
Well damn.
Guess I better build a warrior camel.

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Is it just me or harusame's elona drawing is lacking depression, or tension ?
He drew several <whom dwell in vanity> pictures, but it seems he and Elishe are relatively happy.
Elishe is already dead, so I'm expecting the event when she's dying or something like that.

>>14512426
Fuck that. I'm more concerned him dropping off the radar.

>>14509911
>implying trolls kill any serious projects ever
If trolls are blamed for anything ever then people working on whatever aren't very serious to begin with.

So, if I were to take a serious stab at a martial artist, what stuff should I particularly be looking to acquire, especially the three weapon slots?

>>14512498
Stop feeding the troll.

>>14512500
Id imagine tonfa's would be the best. Shielding tonfa for defense, and maybe claws/tonfas with proximity assist for offense? With maxed armor upgrades on them I think you can get a sizable flat damage increase which will be multiplied by martial arts/tactics multiplier. And if you really wanna go crazy you could do something with alot of arms, like a mutant, and get +20 damage for each arm from the claws. Maybe?

>>14512500
>Stop feeding the troll.

This is the comment that actually feeds the troll.
Think about it.

>>14512516
I forgot to note though, that right now I dont think multihitting with martial arts is working correctly right now (hitting more than once per hand). So its kind of majorly gimped until that gets fixed.

>>14512516
I've always been averse to the idea of being a 16-armed mutant weirdo.Tempting though it is to carry 16 staves and scythes and whatnot with spell enhancement.

I'll see what I can find for claws, and fill in with 3 tonfas. I'll stay off the shining wave, as well.

>>14512528
Yea I've never liked the idea of the man-cthulu thing either. If you want, you could always take the moderation approach and do like maybe 2 arms. And yea, shining wave is pretty awful after a certain point. Hard to upkeep the stamina without weapons especially, and for long term spelunking you probably want to use it for swarm and shadowstep instead.

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Do you guys have any portraits to share from the elona costum folder?

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>>14513491
Portrait of my mutant.

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>>14513534
And its body.

What shortcuts do you use?

1 - Gauge Release
11 - Clear Mind
2 - Speed
12 - Attribution Shield
3 - Cure of Jua
13 - Regeneration
4 - 4D Pocket
14 - Call Familiar
5 - Barbecue Set
15 - Identify
6 - Holy Shield
16 - Feather
7 - Cheer
17 - Healing Rain
8 - Pot of Fusion
18 - Scroll of escape
9 - Pickpocket
19 - Ensemble
0 - Happy Bed
10 - Return

>>14513554
>2 digits
how
i used to know, but i forgot

>>14513558
Ctrl + # to assign
Shift + # to use

>>14513554
1) Regeneration
2) Cure Light
3) Shadow Step
4) Identify
5)Holy Veil
6)Divine Learning

Regeneration/Holy Veil /Divine Learning must always be up ( for hp/stamina regen, debuff resist and more exp ), cure light is for spamming when poisoned/bleeding, shadow step is for going into melee, identify is for spamming.

Everything else is on a case by case basis, i find myself using only those six regularly enough to warrant shortcut use.

>>14512426
But that's Larneire on that picture, from that episode where they swim to the Vindale forest.

>>14513554
1 - Power Release
2 - Emergency Evasion
3 - Shadowstep
4 - Regeneration
5 - Acceleration
6 - Hero
7 - Concentration
8 - Holy Shield
9 - Feather
0 - Elemental Protection
10 - Rampage
11 - Jure Heal
12 - Form Shift (Gamma)
13 - Swarm
14 - Clear Mind
15 - Ranged Strike
18 - Pressure
19 - Provoke

From what I remember, this is what I've used.

>>14513554
1 - Crystal Spear
2 - Cure of Jure
3 - Short Teleport
4 - Teleport
5 - Magic Absorb (Itzpalt mana gain action)
6 - Mana Rod
7 - Blood Drain
8 - Sense Object
9 - Magic Map
0 - I switch it out for whatever I need to temporarily hotkey, like seeds for planting for example
10-19 are all ten buff spells that I try to keep leveling (except Contingency of course)

>>14513554

0.Hero
1.Darkness Bolt
2.Cure of Jure
3.Chaos Ball
4.Identify
5.Mist of Silence
6.Teleport
7.Healing Rain
8.Magic Dart
9.Zero Shot
10.Speed
11.Regeneration
12.Attribution Shield
13.Contingency
14.Shadow Step
15.Holy Veil
16.Teleport other
17.Divine Wisdom
18.Feather
19.Shining Wave

For me Darkness bolt, Chaos Ball(with control magic) and Teleport are an absolute must, especially for dealing with mobs( mana burst just leaves me too vulnerable against powerful enemies). That way I can rekt their shit up, quickly get out of their range of attack and have my pets mow down what few stragglers come following after.

And of course Healing Rain - for when you have too many pets like I do.

>>14514063
what do the 5 form shifts do anyways? I can't find any documentation for them

Anna, do you think you can make it so the PC can "get some tail" with any drunk NPC, and not just certain generic ones? I don't think there'd be any negative consequences to this, not sure why it's unavailable in the first place considering these NPCs do it with prostitutes no problem.

>>14514228
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shift_cores
Delta and Gamma effects are switched up, though.

At what point does cooked vegetables/fruit from my farms net a considerable amount of gold? Is it ever worth it and should I keep training my cooking?

I'm currently only at level 15 for cooking and my food are being sold for a pitiful amount of less than 500 gold.

>>14516075
Yes, increase your cooking and try using fertilizer on your plants to give them plus bonuses. You can sell each cooked food for 2-5k gold eventually.

http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html

>2015/12/19
>Sorry for the long absence especially for the English community. The contracts of external servers I've been using to maintain the forum and the in-game chat will expire at the end of this month. Please make a backup of your images/articles if necessary.
>It is not like we're abandoning Elona or its sequel so please don't feel sad. ( One of the reasons behind it is that as an indie dev there's always a financial issue and I thought it would do more good, hopefully, to invest in game assets.)

Does Elona+ use a separate chat server?

>>14516175
Oh god. Are all of the comics and any other cute pictures already on he boorus?

>>14515801
Thanks anon. Yo these look really strong, like a limit break sort of thing. I definitely need to try them out.

>>14516175

This is the end, my only friend, the end.

So long, Elona community.

>>14516339

We should back up again just in case.

>>14516175
>Or its sequel

There was a sequel to Elona?

>>14497026
>strong enough to run circles around the disciples
>just learned about the passive items now

brb, off to Irva on a murdering spree

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>>14507426
I just got reading party. Apparently the requirement for it now is 40 learning instead of 20 literacy.

>>14517476
befriending spree*

Has anyone experienced crashing when using or assigning spell shortcuts? E+ keeps crashing on me.

>>14519092
It's probably because of your anti-virus.

>>14516711
Yes, it's under development and is called Elin. He's mentioned it a few times online but there's not much news about it.

How do I remove tracking of spells when I don't have the spell stocks for them?

>>14516711
>>14519948
it's been 'under development' for years. Don't hold your breath.

>>14520603
Elin will come out eventually.
It'll be a schizophrenic mess, just like the good ol' days of vanilla Elona.
AND I'LL LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT

I killed a lv1955 putit dungeon boss 200 hours ago (before I learned about dungeon level scaling) and now 4 out of 5 dungeons have been unclearable ever since

is there any way to fix this?

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Got this funky error in Elona Custom. What does it mean?

>>14521638
It's a generic HSP error that just says "An internal error has occured."

Try some of the things listed in the blog post under troubleshooting to see if they help.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom

>>14521230
go to that new location in south tyris that was just added, and reset your dungeon level.

Anyone still getting random errors in Elona Custom when you get near Yowyn? We need a new fix now.

>>14521855
I really need to read the changelog instead of posting here when I haven't played for a long time

thanks

>>14521944
I'm with you bro.

It's always like this with games in development.
Can't wait to play new version, even though it's a buggy mess.

>>14521944
>>14522462
This crash happens in regular 1.52 as well. Not in any way Custom's fault.

>>14522764
Oh, then let me rephrase this. Elona 1.52 fix fixed when?

>>14521944
>>14522462
>>14522764
>>14522895

The solution has already been posted in this thread.

>>14522895
Anna said on the Elona wiki that Ano's aware of the issue, but we probably won't get a second 1.52 fix so it will probably be 1.53.

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K guys i nid sum gene file, pls gib k? k

I believe the 1.52 sprite sheet in the pastebin is not the correct one. It's the monstergirl sprite sheet. Where would I get the correct 1.52?

>>14521944
>>14522462
There's some problem with the overworld generation. Hold backspace when you enter the overworld.

>>14504325
Yeah, the ui itself hasnt had any changes since elona+, so you should be able to use it fine.

>>14523220
what.

What sprite sheet do you want?

How do you train pets? Mine are like 15 levels under me.

>>14523300
Never mind. I think I'll have to make a custom sheet of my own. The one I'm currently using is missing sprites.

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>>14523382
Let them kill everything in the dungeon. With pickpocket they'd be a better hero than your character.

>>14523444
Is there a way to speed train a pet from level 1?

>>14523909
Gene engineer.

Ano has closed most of the loopholes in terms of getting uber-level pets, but one remains: adventurers.

If you get very high dungeon levels and keep killing off the old crop of adventurers, the new ones that spawn will grow more and more powerful. Eventually you can get one with 2k stats and skills.

After you've hired them 3 times, you can make them into pets.

>>14524025
That's pretty cool that you can eventually get a high level adventurer as a pet but I have an ingrained hatred of adventurers. I have to admit, I was pretty traumatized when an adventurer gave me a new years present and the so called present burned down my house. And here I thought I had met a true bro/sis. My feelings were betrayed anon!

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>>14524132
I hate adventurers with a passion too. If I ever see one in town, I always try to kill it with summon spells/rods, hopefully they die.

>>14523382
Most conspicuously, pets get x4 benefit from food. Herb dem curarias, mah boi.

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if I could only describe to you how much I despise potions of disaster

>>14523912
How does gene engineer make pets grow faster?

>>14525787
Splicing higher level pets into it increases it's level to the level of the pet that was sacrificed.

>>14525789
But I don't want to sacrifice my higher level pets. I just want to get my older dog sister up to level with everyone else, but it's taking forever to do.

>>14524025
I'm on good terms with all my fellow adventurers, but knowing that newer and better ones will spawn if I kill them is quite tempting...

I'm bored of being the best one around and with the highest fame

>>14525800
You don't need to sacrifice your collection of favored pets. I think he's just referring to just going out, dominating some random monster in a dungeon, and gene engineering them into your pet if said monster is higher level than your pet.

What is hit bonus and damage bonus?

>>14525833
>>14525800

Yeah, and depending on your level, you could just go to the slave trader in Derphy and buy one of a high enough level.

>>14525850
Hit is accuracy, damage is damage.

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How do you guys manage to get great potentials early on? I've read a bunch of stuff and they keep telling me that potentials are the most important traits as far as leveling goes.

>>14527230
Get a pet with cooking
Eat herbs
Blessed potions of potential
Sleep in King's Bed in Palmia all the time

>>14527265
I'll try this out, might as well reroll too. I think I spent most of my time fucking around on this save file anyway.

>>14525800
Get a Kitty Bank
Fill it with shitloads of gold
Throw it and have her pick up the money
Have her train potentials a bunch in town
Forcefeed Curarias

Also tag her with good pets
Also dominate a bunch of monsters from dungeons and gene engineer them 2-3 levels at a time. Try not to jump too much, won't get as many attributes that way because it's maxed at +10 per stat per fuse, for a maximum of three stats.

>>14527274
Make sure to sleep (in the King's Bed) right when it turns night when you have a pet with cooking, so they always cook you breakfast in the morning

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LeL

>>14527339
Take it back to /pol/, subhuman.

>>14527339
I still can't fathom how people can defend it.
There is no lack of access of information whatsoever, so it must be an informed decision.

Is virtue signaling worth your self-respect ?
The answer seems to be yes to the "people" defending thugs like him.

>>14527230
The first order of business when starting a character is securing gold. So find something that you're good at and generate gold. By lv 30ish or so you should have enough gold saved up to buy a castle if you were diligent in this. Fill the castle with magic vendors and raise each of their shop ranks to at least 150. You'll start seeing them carry potions of potential at that rank. Buy them and then bless the stack. About 9 or 10 blessed potions will get all your attributes to superb potential from hopeless. While you're making your gold do what >>14527265 says. Eating pets cooked food can reduce the amount of potions of potential you'll need and get their cooking skill high enough and you may reach a point where you don't even really need those potions anymore. This is assuming you constantly go to bed at the right time to eat stuff from your pet.

>>14527440
>By lv 30ish or so you should have enough gold saved up to buy a castle if you were diligent in this.
I'm level 33 and only just bought an estate
Money is hard to keep

>>14527558
Level is entirely irrelevant.

>>14527440
>>14527265
>>14527286
So judging from this, I should place my homebase next to Palmia? I mean if I'm gonna sleep on the king's bed all the time I need to access it quick right?

>>14527620
Honestly place it wherever you want; eventually you'll find a bed that you can carry with you thats better than the king's bed

>>14527620
Pickpocket the bed.

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>>14527643
I actually tried to get pickpocket from thieves guild before but the faggot guildmaster kept blasting me to bits.

>>14527440
How do you fill a castle with magic vendors? After buying my first one there have been no more on the list for almost a year of game time.

>>14527583
But I still find it hard to hold a lot of money. I usually die or something.

>>14527659
Store money in kitty banks, and leave it in your salary chest/shop chest instead of grabbing it every time you see it. No need to lose a fortune in death tax.

>>14527659
If you can, try and find some piggy banks to store it in. Honestly, one of the better ways to save money is to spend it on upgrading your gear. If you manage to hit a healthy amount of PV, you become practically invulnerable to most early game mobs, which in turn lets you dungeon dive for more gold. Spend money to make money

>>14527669
Where do you find kitty banks. I've only ever found one.

>>14527693
There's one in the Cat Mansion mission in Yowyn, and there's one in Noyel. Other than that, they're random. But >>14527673
is right, the best way to avoid having too much money is to spend it on constructive endeavour.

>>14527698
But I need to have a lot of money to purchase the castle and upgrade vendors and purchase equipment. My problem is keeping the money.

>>14527710
So buy something cheaper than a castle. If you're thinking its cheaper to skip everything else, well, you're losing money trying to save it. I have a cyberhouse with 2 vendors and that's enough to keep me rolling along at about the same rate as I make money and lose enough potential to want more potions of potential.

Elona is basically auto-adjusting, you don't actually need to minmax the nuts off every number if you don't want to.

>>14527715
I have an estate, but I want to save up for a small castle to fill it up with high level vendors. It's just going to cost a lot of money to reach that point.

>>14527723
If you can't afford the castle, how are you going to afford the millions in investment and the similar sums to buy the piles of potions you seem to crave?

Take it easy, anon. Shit's not going anywhere.

>>14527651
Bring a billion teleportation scrolls (or rods or spell stocks whatever, as long as it's reliable) and just spam that shit until you are like 1 or 2 steps away from the Trainer.

Then spam teleport til you are at the stairs so you can get out.

>>14527727
So should I just spend all my money to invest in shops for the time being?

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>>14527734
Well, spend it on something not-expensive that will give some form of return. Do you have a museum, a farm, a storage house, gear enchantment? Investing is coo and all, but only if you can afford the things that you unlock.

It sounds to me like your actual problem is not money but learning the game well enough to not die so often. Get a modest supply of steady cash flowing in and go from there.

This is where my attitude got my character currently. If this is too lame by your standards, then ignore my advice. Disclaimer: my android does 90% of the heavy lifting, her stats are 50% higher than mine. We share potions.

>>14527734
What's your PV atm? Honestly, if you're around level 1-30, upgrading all of your gear with enchantments and blessed waters to get around to 150 PV. Then you can focus on filling in important resists that you encounter alot of, like fire and cold, and mind. If you can, try to stack as much magic resist because they cover all elements (at a lower amount) but is fairly efficient. If you're dying alot, you're losing alot of experience anyways, so theres no real point in min maxing potentials. That sort of thing is mainly to make the long grind more time efficient, and you dont really need to grind stats and levels until you need to beat a big baddie boss (like the last boss of the first act). People on here kind of put too much emphasis on early game investing and potentials but honestly that comes second to surviving most of the random crap that you encounter in this game.

>>14527734
Oh another thing that I remembered is that you probably lose an obscene amount of money to random thieves grabbing your gold. I'd recommend putting some real effort into killing random beggars around the world to try to find that amulet that they drop; I forget what its called, but it's immensely important early game. If you run out of town beggars you can try looking in party time quests, and occasionally you'll find big packs of them. If you don't mind losing a little bit of fame, then you can spend your time killing the beggars (and other profitable npcs).

>>14527787
P{retty sure that balances out with crazy rich dude event. Probably better ways to spend time and amulet slots.

>>14527655
Just got to check the board every now and then. It's all RNG. Some people managed to get all 5 pretty easy, others just have two or three and are still looking for more.

>>14527734
What are you spending your gold on? Or what is keeping you from saving gold?

If I choose thief as my first class, will I get pickpocket skill or do I still need to learn it from thieves guild?

>>14527829
You'll spawn with it.
Pick your marks carefully.

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>>14527838
I will.
Time to make another char and with another backstory and tie it with my others.

>>14527792
Once you're doing Party Times, it's definitely worth it to pop an oracle at every quest.

>>14527971
I guess, I don't really bother with busking. It would at least be good Casting training.

>>14514464
Any word on this anna? :(

>>14528371
Whoops, sorry about that.

Since I don't typically prostitute myself, is this NPCs that you can talk to normally (by walking into them), or ones that you just walk through?

If it's the first, I don't know why it'd be disabled for certain NPCs, but that would probably be a simple change. If it's ones that won't normally talk to you ("<name> won't listen."), I can still probably just add an option like "Solicit" to the interaction menu.

Any additional changes are on hold right now though until I revamp the tweak settings.

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>>14527748
It's funny how much we have in common. Fairy wizard is suffering.

>>14527777
My pet little girl has DV around that value, and consequentially survives the most out of all my pets. I've gotten a little better at survivability, but when I try dungeons around my level, I almost always die.

There's a lot of guides on starting, but I'm a little at loss what to do midgame. I don't know how to get better, enchanted armor. I can't do the Tower of Fire because I have no fire resistance and no idea where to get them. Or even how to build resistance in the first place.

>>14527820
I usually spend on new equipment, investing, or dying

>>14527620
I usually wish for a Happy Bed which is way better anyway.

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>On low health they keep using Insult special action.

heh

>>14528601
For resists you can always try leveling up the elemental shield/attribution shield spell. The stronger the spell gets, the better it resists all elements except pure magic and the longer it lasts. Try to see about reserving spell books of it at the magic guild.

As a fairy, investing takes on an even greater importance as you can get flying scrolls and scrolls of superior material off of invested magic vendors. You can use said scrolls to lower the weight of gear and make it so you can wear them.

I'm not sure why a fairy would spend a lot of gold on equipment since most of the stuff they find they can't even equip. A simple forage through the puppy caves for light basic equipment is good enough if you're a wizard fairy. For the most part, you're better served in the beginning just leveling your spells and making sure you kill things before they kill you. This should hold true until you have the means to start making gear light through flying scrolls or change material scrolls and equipping them.

If dungeons are kicking your ass try making your gold through more peaceful means. You can try doing cargo runs, easy hunting quests, escort quests, party quests, gardening quests, prostitution, growing plants in your home or farm(preferred), cooking the plants and selling them, etc. During this time you should be leveling your spells. Mainly buffs and at least one attack spell of your choosing, probably magic dart at your point in the game. Use the gold you earn to invest in vendors for the scrolls said above and for your potions of potential. Save up for a nice house as well. After awhile you should be able to come back to dungeon crawling and you'll be bullying monsters this time around.

>>14528408
I mean NPCs you can normally talk to, like "unique" NPCs, or story NPCs which you can't perform such actions with, I mostly see no reason for this to be the case and would probably be a nice addition for roleplay value at least. Examples would be Shena, Fire Giant, The king, etc.

>>14529942
I think you can talk with them, but you have to use "i" for interact.

>>14530020
No anon, I'm saying you can't get some tail with said NPCs. Anything besides a generic NPC just displays their usual line and nothing else, even if drunk!

>>14529913
Realistically though, itll take forever to get enough flying scrolls to make wearing certain equipment viable. Its definitely a lategame or at least a mid-lategame endeavor.

>>14528408
Until then I think its best to make do with whatever gear you can find and making it into some inferior material. You can still harden/bless leather equipment to give like 20 PV a piece, which adds up to 100-120 armor, which should cover you until maybe the very late floors of Lesimas. Its important to distinguish the difference between DV and PV, where DV is evasion and you'll still get oneshot, while PV is damage mitigation, and will drastically reduce all damage by a flat numerical value, AND a percentage. Early game you're going for the flat numerical value. I also think fairies come with very good natural resists so I suspect that youre dying mostly to physical attacks more than the fire damage, as one piece of fire resist equipment would probably handle the tower of fire. Then again, I'm working off of assumptions so I'm not completely sure.

Actually, if you don't mind, would you post just an overview of what you have equipped (wield menu) and your resists? Also, just to make sure, you may or may not know this, but you can talk to blacksmiths and ask them to harden your weapons/armor and increase the armor values that way. Its expensive but you can pay for it in manageable chunks. I know I'm sounding a little repetitive with this PV nonsense but to me, its honestly one of the simplest and fastest ways to cover defense on anything early game.

What do first aid kits do? No wiki page for them yet

>>14530094
Ok apparently fairies don't get anything to fire resist so I'm completely wrong on that front. In that case, yea, try and use the attribution spell and find maybe a piece or two of gear that gives fire resist (doesn't even matter if it has any other stats).

>>14530106
It's listed in the pot for fusion page. It heals HP and some status effects. Other things of note is that you can use it on others and it's one time use like potions.

>>14530239
Thank you very much, maybe we need to make a redirect to that page for it? No clue how to do that though

>>14529913
Well dungeons aren't kicking my ass as bad anymore. Lately I've been going through lower level dungeons (10 levels below mine) to train my pets. They help a lot in more challenging dungeons, but I still get one shot occasionally in dungeons my level.

I spend money on gear so that my pets can use them. My starter little girl has >150 PV and usually the last to die. I'm already a little established, I'm just confused as to where to go next and how to strengthen myself.

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Need some advice, please.

I need money to buy a palace and to hire/invest in magic vendors, so should I focus on cooking fish and selling to vendors? Or do I buy a shop and dump the cooked fish in it/focus on performing instead? Will it rot before it sells? What's a good fishing level to switch to a higher bait grade?

Fishing is level 17, performing is 16, cooking is 23. I have two pieces of ## fishing gear.

>>14528601
Why aren't you spending your plats?

>>14530412
All 3 skills are pretty damn low. If I had a say, I'd go for performing and try to get ensemble for party quests. With kumiromi you wouldn't have any trouble making quick bux from the quests.

On a sidenote, I really want to get stradivarius.

>>14530344
Put in other words, what should I be buying?

>>14530710
Well it isn't a bad thing that you're buying gear for your pets. I'm sure they're happy they have a master that actually keeps them clothed. Although the god rewards and just random stuff you find off the ground in dungeons can also suffice for awhile for your pets. Most gold should just be going towards investments, real estate, purchasing spellbooks, potions, rare scrolls, taxes, and lastly to your pets but the priority is to yourself. The game ends, sorta, when you die but not when your pet dies so you need to make sure you're doing alright first. Your pets want what's best for master of course.

Anna, is there any chance that you could make it rain/snow in player-built homes?

Do we have any writefags in this thread? I'd love to read a story about snails and little girls and whatnot.

>>14530732
What potions and rare scrolls should I be on the lookout for? And what book is attribute shield? I can't find it in the reserve list.

>>14530790
Once there was a poor little snail. The poor little snale ate a beggars corpse because of Lomias. Then off the poor little snail went to a shanty mining town called Vernis, after being humiliated further more by Lomias in his cave. There the snail met up with a little girl. The little girl was nice to the snail. She didn't mind how slimy the snail was. The little girl and the little snail went off in a journey, beating up monsters along the way even though it was the little girl who did most of the job.

Days after their journey, they finally set foot at Palmia. A wonderful city ruled by the people's royalty. All was fine for the little snail and little girl. Then a horrifying, shrill cry came ripping towards them from the crowd.

"SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!" cried the hideous voice.

The little snail barely even managed to catch a glimpse as the large ragged figure smashes the little girl to bits. After so long, after so many days, the last thing the little snail saw in its miserable pitiful life was salt.

"SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIL!"

The end.

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Any tips on leveling weight lifting? I need to carry the nuke to palmia.

>>14530791
Potions of Potential, Potions of Descent(Normally lowers levels but if you bless them you gain a level), Acidproof/Fireproof Potions(Apply these to your gear), Restore Body/Spirit(Bless them and consume as these will actually buff your attributes and will last for a long time), Flying/Inferior Material Scrolls(Can be used to lighten things), Superior Material Scrolls(Use this to get stuff made from Dawn Cloth or Spirit Cloth), Wonder Scrolls(Used to get spells you can't get any other way such as Meteor and Summon Spirit). Not sure if Growth and Gain Attribute Scrolls are sold on magic vendors but keep your eyes open for them. Growth helps the potential of all your skills if blessed and gain attribute scroll should be stored up if you ever get to the point where you want to mess with artifact fusion.

I think the book is called resistance on the reserve book list. On a side note have you tried looking into rods? They're pretty good and even more so now that you can use attack rods infinitely with the Dupli-Cane special action. You'll still want to use spells with rods though as there are some spells that there is no rod for.

>>14530869
Is there a way to bless stuff? You guys make it sound like you can actually make stuff blessed.

Also, I've used rods mostly as backup for when I'm out of mana, but my magic devices is lagging far behind the rest of my magic skills. I wasn't sure whether to keep leveling it or not. How do you get dupli-cane?

>>14530882
Blessed bottle of water. Place bottle of water on altar of your god and it'll get blessed. Mix it with stuff you want to bless.

>>14530889
Thanks. Is there a way to consistently find bottles of water?

>>14530882
Not sure of the exact requirements of Dupli Cane as I automatically got it when the patch that introduced it landed but if I had to imagine, just keep leveling up your Magic Device skill and you should get it eventually. It may also be tied to the Magic attribute but seeing as how you're a wizard, just keep doing what you're doing and you should get it eventually.

>>14530919
Another question: what does hardening your armor/weapon do? It doesn't seem to change anything.

Sorry for all these questions, but the wiki seems to be missing a lot of information in between stuff.

>>14530907
portion of salt solution, rod of fire wall, and a wood piece mixed in a pot of fusion.

Or you look along the floors of dungeons and pick them up.

Or you can take an empty bottle and mix it with the holy well in Noyel to get a blessed water.

>>14530924
gives 2 DV/PV per enchant, per piece of equipment. Its very powerful. For weapons it increases damage.

>>14530845
Get Opatos' pet and let her carry it for you.

>>14530931
I hardened my -2 armor to +3 and the DV/PV is the same [22,0]

>>14530924
See >>14530094. In general, hardening armor increases PV(Protection Value) which assists in decreasing the overall damage you take from say an enemy punch. Every little bit helps starting out. Hardening a weapon adds a bit more damage to it and again, every little bit counts.

As for bottles of water. I usually find them on dungeon floors, but you can also sometimes get them from filling empty bottles with water from wells I think. May take a couple of tries though as well water isn't always clean, heh. If you're truly desperate you can get bottles of water from Miral and Garok's workshop for three gold medals each. I'd save the medals up for other things though such as the tonfa or the hermes potion though but if you need the water the option is always there.

>>14530943
Thats odd. Can you screenshot the item stats? I'm not sure if theres some hidden fairy mechanic that gimps armor hardening but it should give you PV. What kind of armor is it?

>>14530845

get it as fast as you can on a new character, stay burdened, keep the potential at 400%, there is no real easy way to raise it fast and nearly every other skill you have will rise faster.

Last question about enchanting. Does enchanting make effects get stronger. Like they add more #'s?

>>14531398

it can, but the odds of that happening are very low if you are not abusing the system. You also can't really tell when it gets to #####+

>>14531408
I'm beginning to understand how important equipment material is, but I'm still not seeing much difference in enchanting them or blessing them.

>>14531398
I've never heard of enchanting increasing ##s.

>>14531427

blessing is like a free # to stats, more important if your item gives skill bonuses. Less so for resists.

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>>14530943
You're looking for this down here.

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So I just realized I can't actually have grow new limbs if I'm not a mutant race.
Damn guess it really does pay to read more. This would be like my 4th legit character, good thing I have gene file full of useful shit like wonder scrolls.

>>14531694
On that note, is there a way I can remove a limb as a mutant? That -5% speed doesn't great at all but I'm willing to put up with it.

>>14531761

not really, if you try to remove a limb as a mutant you will both lose some of your life stat and you will lose ALL limbs you have gained as a mutant.

>>14531761
Normal characters can have limbs added to them by talking to Doctor Gavela.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Gavela

If you want limbs removed you see Icolle the Biologist.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Icolle_the_biologist

The addition of limbs and removal of them reduce your life stat so keep that in mind. Hero cheese can remedy this life loss though.

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>>14531801
>>14531793
Wow. So what the fuck is the point for mutant race again?

>>14531809

you grow 12 hands and kill a god in three attacks

>>14531809
So snail doesn't feel like he/she is the only one shunned by society. Seriously though, I guess you roll a mutant so you can can get lots of slots before you reach South Tyris.

>have 3 treasure maps stashed up
>lucky day
>decide to bless the maps and set out
>hard rain the whole time
>hinders me so much I don't even find a single spot during the duration of the lucky day
>rain stops right after lucky day ends
fuck you too game

>>14531830
But if you consider the fact that the primary feature for mutant is accessible at south tyris then they're just complete and utter shit. Damn.

>>14531949

27 equipment slots is kinda a lot. you will get at least 10+ hands at minimum. Getting there at level 3 is a bit of a challenge so it is something for gene characters to do when you have the pets and potions of descent to do it with

>>14531949
Well look on the bright side anon, It's not just the Mutant but all race features are rendered moot/not something to care about eventually. Almost every racial edge or negative can be replicated or dealt with in late game by spells, high enough skills, gear, items, special actions, and more. Due to this, there is no one race that stands above any of the others. Before someone calls out that Golems have dim immunity dim can be cured by just drinking a healing potion.

>>14532027
Elea?

>>14532027

unless you get bloated and then you get anorexia after you puke or you need to get the fuck away from whatever just dimmed you or you will be killed. Even on the same turn you get dimmed, dim reduces lots of your status and you can take tons of damage you would have normally evaded or been protected from.

>>14532034
High enough magic capacity skill to just not care anymore, high enough literacy skill to make such happenings uncommon, and an enormous mp bar so that you don't really ever need to bleed out your eyes to cast spells.

>>14532038
Anorexia can be dealt with if it does happen. Having those ranches around helps as you can just consume milk. Can go to Noyel as well and eat snow. Often I'm not running bloated though. Not much kills you in one blow late game so you have plenty of time to heal.

>>14532038
It doesn't even take two turns to quaff one potion. Come on dimmed is manageable.

>>14532057
>>14532061

that is still a turn you spend doing that instead of attacking, in the 100 - 400 levels before you hit near max speed an awakened dungeon enemies that dims will use it every other turn.

Being a Golem gets you base 150 life which by itself is kind of more valuable then most other racial specials anyway.

>>14532097
You don't necessarily need to fight them in melee range which leaves you open to dim. Just range them to death with spells, thrown weapons, guns, remote attack, etc. Also, the only enemies that dim me that I've ever been concerned about were Yith creatures but it's the insanity that gets me not the dim but even then a stash of unicorn horns or an angry pet saves the day. Enough hero cheeses and any race/character can have 150 life or more.

>>14532038
I heard from somewhere that having enough sound resist helps in avoiding dim. Can any anon verify?

>>14532108

a golems life bonus is 16ish hero cheeses though, that is not insignificant especially for the first 200 levels when it would be most relevant.

>>14532155
I think you're missing his point. In the end none of the races are unique enough to have any regret about choosing one race over another. Taken to post game, all racial bonuses and problems fall by the wayside and just don't matter anymore which I agree with. That means even you Mr Golem can become a great mage eventually despite you sucking at it for 200 levels.

>>14528601
Get the bonus life feats for a start. The obvious difference between you and the other fairy posted is that you have 91 hp to 362 hp. Granted it's higher level, but you die because you're squishy as fuck.

>>14533162
What bonus life feats?

I have some questions:
1. What are some good pets to ride? I'm riding a level 36 Kaneda bike, but I found a level 65 Pascal. Is it worth switching?
2. What are ranches good for? Jerky seems useless since it doesn't provide bonuses. What creatures should I breed?
3. Is there a cap on the size of a stack of items in your inventory?
4. When the wiki says something raises your potential, is it talking about stat potential or skill potential. Or both?
5. How do you raise your pets' skill potentials? I've been sending them to the Doujou, but it's costing me tons of gold.

>>14533187
Press "c"
Go to Feats tab
Pick the "Apprentice Ascetic"

>>14533187

the Ascetic line of feats.

>>14533196
>>14533200
Oh those. I should have gotten them. I'll start getting them next time I can. Are there specific levels you can pick a feat? I've noticed I can pick a feat after some levels, but it seems random to me.

>>14533203

every five levels you stop gaining them at some point but I don't remember when

>>14533190

ranches give you a guarenteed corpse drop from things there. Jerky will give you bonuses depending on what corpse you used, but herb farms are probley better.

>>14533203
Every 5 levels

>>14533190
1. anything with high speed, look out for Lityou ~lv130 eventually
2. farming nutritious corpses (e.g. horses)
3. not sure, it's probably very high considering stacks of 10k+ music tickets are normal
4. depends on what is being discussed, give an example
5. fill a kitty bank and break it at their feet

>>14533190
>How do you raise your pets' skill potentials? I've been sending them to the Doujou, but it's costing me tons of gold.

spend the gold on them instead by letting them collect quest/dundeon rewards and giving them ores, especially the fusion pot ore refinements. They'l spend it on training their skill potentials as you walk around town. The Dojo is kind of a waste of time.

So now that preaching is fixed...
What's really the point? You can train faith/will I guess. It kinda works like performing except you don't get items or as much gold from it, and it can't be done in party time.
Do pets get bonuses from faith? Theirs seems to go up as you preach.

>>14533242

to have an active way to train will that doesn't involve sorta exploits I guess

>>14533217
addendum:

5b. if money is an issue, the poverty-friendly ways I can think of are handing over growth scrolls, making picnic baskets, and using ores like others said. I don't think speed potential increases with any of this, however, so for that you need regular doses of speed upper

>>14533242
it can totally be done in party time, I do it to train my pets' WIL and to pass the time

>>14533247
>skill potentials

There are many reasons to be an expert farmer when you're a fairy, gaining speed potential is one of them. Getting con/will training is another.

>>14533247
It can be done yes, but you will basically fail is what I'm pointing out!

What's the best way to increase speed? I've been eating a bunch of shoes but from what I understand that only boosts the speed stat potential. Do I just wander around the world map? I have the traveling skill, after all.

>>14533905
Elona+ is the only game where eating shoes can make you the strongest man in the universe. What a masterpiece.

Anyway, you want to drink Speed Upper.
It's a miracle drug that raises your speed by 1 and restores speed potential to 400%.
Bottles of Hermes' Blood increase your speed by 8 (if blessed). Buy a big stack of them and bless them all.
Beyond that, you could wish for "skillspeed" to increased your speed by 1 and increase its potential.
Swimming is a speed-based skill, so get it if you haven't already.

>>14533905
There's a mechanic called AP or something where you can get massive speed upgrades depending on how many INI you farm from killing mobs. I usually end up getting dem ini from south tyris mobs and high rank hunting quests. I might have screwed up the terminologies but that's what I recall from my past playthrough, currently replaying after many years.

>>14533934
Regarding the Traveling skill, yes, all you do is wander the world. If your speed potential is shit, you will get shit speed gains.
Swimming is a bit different. The skill is trained for every turn you have the "Wet" status.
However, using a Magaqua to train Swimming won't work. If there's a Magaqua in your inventory, Swimming won't train at all.

>>14533905
Before you do this though, I might recommend saving these (especially speed uppers and hermes blood) because you can upgrade your speed in Act 2 REALLY efficiently for AP. The only problem with this is that there is an upper limit to how much speed you can get from this method before you cap out and have to resort to much more grindier methods to gain it. In Act 2 I believe the highest you can get to is 500, and in Act 3, up to 800. IF you have an interest in ever reaching 2000 speed (which is completely unnecessary), you might want to hold onto all speed uppers and hermes potions so you can drink all of them after you hit the 800 from Act 3.

Still, maybe it would be time efficient to drink them now if they help you get through the content faster, so theres that.

>>14533953
Swimming and magaqua is conflicting yeah. But I handled swimming by hiding my magaqua in my 4th dimensional pocket and pulling it out when I needed the extra speed. Of course you actually need a good amount of swimming level to actually make use of it.

Could someone post what equipment they have for lategame characters? I'm merely curious.

>be in dungeon
>walk on tile
>trap instakills you

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>>14534778
You fucking liar.

>>14534790
It just happened to me, again

>>14534794
Post character sheet. Nobody fucking dies to traps.

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>>14534808
I was just going through a dungeon and instantly died to an explosion trap. Then I went back and one of my pets died instantly to another explosion trap.

>>14534814
Oh mines. I guess its that pesky mine dog thing thats responsible for it. Better stock up on sound resists. Or contigency if you know there's going to be mines on the current floor.

>>14534790
>>14534814
This has happened to me too. You're tripping mines. They're either a part of the dungeon or an enemy such as mine dogs is placing them. The best way to avoid being blown up by said mine is to get equipment that floats you so you never trigger them in the first place.

>>14534814
>explosion trap
You just stumbled onto some mines.
Mine traps get laid down by Mine Dogs, an incredibly annoying enemy that can cast gravity.
Get some mica wings so you don't get blown to SMITHEROONS.
If you get afflicted with gravity (and the dog is dead), 's'earch in place so you don't walk onto death.

>>14534790
I've died falling down stairs...the stairs are a trap too. R-right guys? Please tell me I'm not the only one who has died falling down stairs...

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>>14534847
It happens to the best of us, Anonymous.
Walking up and down stairs takes stamina.
If you try to walk up or down stairs when you're low on stamina, you'll tumble down (or up) them.
Tumbling down is bad for you.

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>>14534471

>>14534824
>>14534826
>>14534831
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind next time. I'm almost always using feather because it gives me a massive PV boost. Though it's handy to know it's sound damage.

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>>14534866
Damn